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I just wanted to pop up a thread about a very positive experience I had at Shoot Point Blank indoor range in Knoxville yesterday. I also didn't want to drift a thread started by @Ronald_55 and that @peejman and others had posted in. I've been shooting there (Shoot Point Blank) for several months. I went the first time based on a coupon I received in the mail for a free 1/2 hour range session. I became a member as they offer a 50% discount for prior military service. That, and the fact it's only 5 miles from my front door made it a no-brainer. The facility is extremely well stocked, the staff are courteous, and professional. The ranges are safe, RSO's sharp, polite, knowledgeable, and professional. The range is well ventilated and well lighted. With my membership I can shoot any gun they have for sale (Clarification: you can fire 5 rounds in a "test drive", or you can choose any gun from their Rental section to shoot). I just need to purchase ammo from them to shoot in their gun. Fair enough. You can shoot long guns as well as handguns there. As a member I am eligible for one free transfer per month and one free class they offer per month, and my range time is unlimited. So, I was already very happy about my membership there. I recently picked up a .22 LCR and just last week replaced the front sight with an XS Orange Dot sight. My wife liked the looks of it and wanted to go shoot it with me yesterday. Holy Moly...did you read that? My wife wanted to go shoot with me! I jumped at that opportunity as it's been several years since she asked, and I learned loooong ago not to be pushy about such a subject. I've been married 31 years and plan to continue along that path! So she tried my .22 LCR (heavy trigger, but she wanted to try). She also shot a .38 S&W and .38 LCR. The double action trigger pull is simply too much for her. We went out to the desk and spoke with the saleslady. My wife handled several handguns, they not only allowed, but suggested she dryfire them. We checked out a S&W 380 EZ because it fit her well (as I already mentioned, no charge as I'm a member) and paid for a box of their ammo (Magtech). My wife shot all but one magful, which she graciously allowed me to shoot LOL. She loved the EZ 380. We bought her one then and there. Not the one she shot, but a new one that has a thumb safety because she liked that aspect. Excellent customer service all the way around imho. Now I gotta start handloading .380 again. I ordered her some practice ammo and a couple of extra mags from CDNN when we got home. Life is good! Happy wife, Happy life as they say. I just wanted to let folks know that there does exist quality facilities that do promote positive customer service and shooting experiences. I have no business affiliation with Point Blank, I'm just a very satisfied customer.

If red flag laws are passed, we need something in the law that says any falsely accusing someone out of malice gets a mandatory 1 year in prison.

I finally was able to finish my .224 Valkyrie build. This is my first solo AR build. The main parts are: CMMG lapped upper & Anderson lower with Suregrip tactical deluxe grip and Magpul RS Gen 3 stock Geissele Hi-Speed National Match Trigger. Wilson Combat .224 Valkyrie Super Sniper, 22" SS barrel with Precision Armament M11-SPR-5.56 compensator and Troy Industries low-profile gas block. Brownell's 6.8mm Nitride BCG with Geissele Super charging handle BCM MCMR 15 handguard w/M-loc UTG Recon Fles Bipod Total cost of the build without the scope and mount that I already had was just under $1,800. I can't wait to get some rounds loaded up for it and try it out!

This and NO! Our justice system needs a serous overhaul If one isn’t to be trusted with firearms, one should not be free to roam in public, and damned sure shouldn’t be allowed to vote..

Red flag laws are a violation of the 4th amendment as much as, if not more than the 2nd amendment.

You guys complaining about shooting an AR pistol obviously have not shot one with an SBA3 or SBA4. I've stopped building/buying 16" guns. My last AR was a 11.5 BCM gun with a SBA3 on it. They are every bit as comfortable to shoot as a 16" gun. I will admit the 7.5 AR is useless, 10.5 is as short as you want to go and still get decent ballistics. I've got a 14.5 PSA Premium that's about to get tossed on my Aero pistol lower so I can run my can on it without having to worry about ATF rules. Let us not forget that when they came for the bump stocks people echoed the same thing, they are stupid, don't serve a purpose they are just a novelty. AR pistols could be next, that's huge. Wait till they come after mags, you guys going to echo the same words about 30 round mags? Who needs 30 rounds, 10 rounders will be just fine. The slope has been greased and we are starting to slip down it.

Exactly criminals don't abide by laws no matter how many hundreds or thousands of them are passed. They only harm or impede the lawful citizen that wants to buy a gun to give his grandson or buy one to shoot sporting clays. This all started about 50-75 years ago. Parents quit disciplining their children, the Bible says if you love your children you will discipline them. Proverbs 13:24. It is all about not loving, it all boils down to a heart problem.

If the threat is real, it doesn't matter if you remove the guns or not if you keep the knives, cars, bats, sticks, nail guns, screwdrivers, blowtorches, hammers, shovels, rakes, axes, etc. around.

Is that not concerning? This strikes me its the concept that the needs of the many (legitimate cases) outweigh the needs of the few (malicious cases). Better than nothing? More curiousity, can you elaborate on what you thing sufficient evidence is? Assuming someone is not capturing it on video, it can come down to sworn statements. Which those that are willing to lie, know cant be proven or dis-proven unless there are witnesses. Credibility is a funny thing. Relies on a bit of subjectivity and how good a lawyer is at twisting someones words or surfacing inconsistency, as well as how good a liar someone is if you want to hear lies, the best place to go is a court or a hearing. I guess, is He said blah blah blah, good enough? On the second part, do you believe that prison rehabilitates? I appreciate you cant predict evil and as we have seen you dont have to have been to prison to be evil. So in lieu of being able to predict the future, past behavior is used. Say someone committed murder in the past or used another weapon in an attempted murder? How do you know they cant be trusted with a firearm until its too late? To be fair, that last bit applies to anyone whether they have been to prison or not. Would it not be great if we could develop an Evilmeter.

If popularity and the market is what defines the 2A then I better hide my old revolvers and relics I never owned a bump stock, but I don’t agree with the banning of that piece of plastic either. A chip away is a chip away

Hopefully he will take the room temperature challenge.

If the threat is that real then the person should be removed from the firearms, not the other way around.

Serious question. How would you, Dave, prove to a judge that you are not a threat? In all honesty? If someone accused you as to making a death threat to them. Perhaps a Judge with an anti-gun slant and/or connections to the accuser is the person overseeing the "case". How would you, the accused, prove you were not a threat?

I still maintain imgur is the best way to post pics.

The guy was standing in a crowd killing people when the Police opened fire. One of the first questions I heard asked at a news conference was if any of the victims were shot by the Police. I could not be in politics because I would have answered with “possibly” and moved on.

All of their stupid rules are convoluted it seems. In this case a rifle is a weapon that shoots a cartridge designed for a rifle; not a "real" pistol. So how is a weapon that has a barrel under 16" and fires a pistol caliber considered a SBR because it has a stock on it? How does the stock somehow make the pistol's bullet more deadly? I'm not talking about more accurate, but even so, isn't it best to be more accurate in self-defense? Does that not risk fewer lives?

Like so many of these innocent-sounding good-idea efforts, the expanded interpretation and execution are where the problems arise. I’ve seen some proposed “safe storage” laws that came with some pretty onerous requirements including defacto registration of all firearms with local authorities, allowing unannounced inspections of your home to ensure compliance, separate storage of firearms from ammo, etc. Any law that tells you what you can or can’t do with your property is never as innocuous as the name they give it when trying to pass it.

I'm a life member of the NRA, and a relatively new member of GOA, I've seen more email traffic from GOA challenging this law or that law in that short time than I've seen from the NRA in quite some years. I still give to the NRA-ILA, their lobbying arm, but more goes to GOA.

This is a good read from a guy who is not on our side regarding gun control. https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/456557-why-gun-control-is-so-hard-to-enact

I’m willing to compromise with them. I really am... let’s start with abolishing the NFA, and I might forgive them for stepping on the Constitution. Today’s bump stock is tomorrow’s pistol brace - is next week’s drum mag - is next month’s semiautomatic. No gives!

Come to the dark (Blackout) side....

I’m seeing a lot of the photos posted recently, that I think are new, with a big azz PhotoBucket Watermark through them. Whats up?

I personally have not looked at any proposed Red Flag laws. I admit, I am just against them in general. I also believe convicted felons should be able to own guns, so I personally may be a bit biased towards the Shall Not Be Infringed law on the books.

Envious here! I need a suppessor badly for it, and I also wish, in hindsight, that id went with .300 blackout...at the time i want sold on that caliber yet.

Photobucket broke the internet a long time ago. Imgur.com is the latest new "go to" thing. I think uploading directly to the forum has issues.

They want the drama of a cop shooting an innocent bystander. They fully understand that if someone is dropping bodies, the cops may have to take shots that have the risk of shooting bystanders (as in this case). However, if that happens they want to make a bunch of noise about that being unacceptable. Unless of course their family or friends are about to die.

It seems that Photobucket is trying to force us into paying for their use now. I just learned that we can post pictures directly into the forum so I'm doing that from now on.

Like my question yesterday in another post, cite for me any gun control law that's stopped a mass shooting or any murder. Hasn't happened...

Well of course not. Schumer doesn’t want incentives to states to pass Red Flag laws; he wants Federal Red Flag laws passed. That and of course he doesn’t want anything Trump might be agreeable to. He’s such a loser.

I often find myself critical of law enforcement, but whoever shot this clown so quickly sure had their stuff together! Kudos for a job very well executed.

Ummmm, green beans with ham and new potatoes.

I got a less invasive suggestion outside the forum. To put a penny on the face where the firing pin protrudes and dry fire it. If the penny launches, then it is good. Not sure if that model will fire broken open, but might be worth a try.

I am 99.9% sure this is a feature @TGO David was working on. I'm not sure whether it was ever matured any. I think the idea was to have some sort of "Company Directory" in which companies (ranges, gun stores, etc) could be listed, ranked, etc. That's my take. So I wouldn't worry about not having access to it, it's still "behind the scenes" I think. As far as making it "read"...you may be out of luck?

I normally avoid indoor ranges but I agree with you on this one. It's a nice place. I went to school with one of the employees(Johnny). He's a great guy and knows his stuff too. I took 3 friends from Spain shooting at this range and they had a fantastic time. I've never had a bad experience there and all the staff bend over backwards to help.

An excellent point -- the .300 Blackout is my preferred choice for an AR pistol. I believe much better than the .223 in that size.

Oh, it sounds like yours is missing the suppressor! 300BO pistol suppressed... what’s not to love

Not for the AR, and I'm pretty sure not for the AK either, it just has to start life as a pistol.

No gun in sight but a real neat WW-I photo of a Mack truck with tracks.

I sanded it pretty good and of course the black color turns a little grayish but it feels great. Plus the small grio insert makes this 45 full size pistol feel like a 9mm. It's a keeper for sure so that's why I don't mind sanding it down. It feels better than a lot of other polymer guns as far as grip texture and in girth too for it being a big-bore pistol.

Mental illness for sure. But, I think its more a lack of morality. Young people today have a very skewed idea of right and wrong. Parents have failed to teach them, schools are nothing more than liberal training centers, religion is a thing of the past. Good jobs are hard to find, many college degrees are almost worthless. Many young people in this country have lost hope. They see no real future for themselves. They simply quit caring.

There isn't a way to stop it without infringing and a lot of it in a heavy handed manner to have any effect. I think we blame mental illness in the absence of true mental illness. A lot of these shooters are perfectly sound of mind when they open fire, that mind is just demented in a way that isn't a clinical issue, but rather a reflection of character. There is no easy solution to any of this, and we (at least for now, anyway) have decided that the risk is worth the personal right of being able to keep and bear arms is still in place.

Point of fact, flamethrowers are completely unregulated on the federal level. Only a handful of states have regulations concerning them. They are actually a rather commonly used farm implement. Folks really should know what in the hell they are talking about before they open their mouths.

I agree with you but I can't help but laugh at this considering our current President. The two of them could argue in circle for hours. I actually look forward to the debates.

I think you're correct but I cannot think of a way to stop this without infringing on everyone. Unless you were to ban all guns, and confiscate every gun from every household, this will never stop. Even then, you'd only find maybe half of all guns out there, at best. I think where we screw up is that we always blame "mental illness" but fail to actually do anything about it such as additional funding. The same people calling this mental illness suddenly get very defensive and start screaming about "socialism" if you mention funding these programs. It's pretty clear we need to create more programs for people that need help. This is going to cost money.

You should be able to stop and buy a machine gun. You either believe that the “being necessary to the security of a free State” means that “The People” may need arms to protect themselves against an out of control government or you don’t. If that is true a group with machine guns have an obvious advantage over those limited to semi-autos or magazine capacity. Of course the whole “Nuclear Weapons” issue is in play also.

I've never had much interest in a pistol AR since AK pistols exist, but I hate to see the BATF do a 180. These targeted articles really chap my hyde. Its an attempt to further misinform and polarize the unknowledgeable anti-gun crowd under the guise of being informative. Not sure if you guys caught it, but this clown not only is taking a shot at AR pistols and braces, but SBR's by likening them to fully automatic weapons (playing 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon). H e covers that the shooter had a pistol and not a rifle, then transitions to SBR (correctly defining it) trying to allude to their similarity and that the SBR requires a tax stamp. Then this: "The process is similar to legally owning a fully-automatic rifle" Then refers again to the jerk who killed the folks after setting the context, saying "It is unclear if Betts' went through this process, but the firearm he used did have a barrel shorter than 16 inches." He already established it was a pistol and did not need the "process", but is drawing a line for the uninformed that an SBR is just like a full auto, and this pistol used is basically an SBR...which of course means its just like a full auto rifle. This is all done in a pretty sly way, but unfortunately it does work on his target audience and its clear what his entire point was with this article.

I also have one.... Fantastic weapon especially if you have handicaps. I have a bad shoulder among other things and an ar pistol makes it easier for me to handle.

Can you share with us what is so vague? Reading the language posted by Garfua I just don't see the innocuous language that would enable the government to start confiscating guns or create a registry of some sorts. To me this looks more like an advertising campaign that's designed to bring about awareness in properly storing guns safely.

I don’t think there will ever be anything to put back in the bottle; at least not over race. Friends, families and workplaces are simply to integrated to have a race war; race is not an issue. Race is only an issue for those using it to attack Trump, get elected (same thing), or for financial gain because it is their job. It bothers me, but does not surprise me, to see the liberal MSM line up to jump on these claims of “White Nationalism”. That’s a non-starter for anyone who has an IQ higher than their age. But the MSM (even FOX) seems to think that is what we want to hear them talk about. I am a Nationalist and not ashamed of it. I am also old and white. From what I see that makes me a hated person by the left and the representatives of the Democratic party. If there are riots, I don’t think they will be race riots (although there will be those that try to label them as such), but there may be violent interactions between the left and Right.