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I love the attempts to defend or minimize his words. Some of you would be foaming at the mouth if a Democrat had said the same thing. Trump may be a lot of things, but a defender of the 2nd amendment he is not. Is he worse than the dems? Not sure. But he has already done more damage than Obama and I'm way more scared of an anti-gun Republican president than an anti-gun Democrat. We've already seen the GOP do absolutely nothing to stop his push to ban bump stocks. Just like before, no one forced Trump to do this. The people that hate him are never going to vote for him even if he flops on his gun stance. He gained nothing from his bump stock ban yet he still did it(you can blame the DOJ but we all know it was Trump's doing). You can like his economic or immigration policies. You may think he's done a great job. But deep down, Trump is an authoritarian gun grabber just like those before him.

I think as the way it sits now, that Trump will be reelected. At least I hope I'm right.

Sold 2 pistols to get the money to buy my favorite CZ that I couldn't find for a long time. I don't buy guns online nor order them sight unseen. Just too much risk for me plus I don't use credit cards. So for several years I haven't seen this particular CZ in person at a shop nor for sale by a person. So I saw this brand new CZ75B SAO at Guns And Leather a few weeks ago. CZ has discontinued them. I was able to get it and it's so nice ! It's not the "fancy dancy $1,500 CZ professional this and that" gun , but it's a 75b Single Action Only and can be carried cocked and locked. All steel , heavy and built great. Trigger is nice and just awesome. Can't wait to shoot some steel with her. The older I get , the more I am liking hammer guns again.

It seems to be always the weapon be it a gun, knife or vehicle. There is a human body with a finger, hand, foot and part of a brain that does the ASSAULT. The brain is the ASSAULT weapon, not the tool. Which a firearm, hammer, knife or vehicle can be used as a tool. The liberal left won't be happy until all citizens are helpless victims because they won't have any tools to defend themselves. But I bet you all the money you could stuff into Fort Knox that the liberal left will still have walls around their compounds and their personal bodyguards will have all those EVIL black rifles and other assorted weapons. Put the blame where blame belongs and it danged sure isn't at the feet of the law abiding gun owners. Rant ended for now.

Who is defending or minimizing his words? I’ve commented about your rant about bump stocks before; because no one gives a rolling rip down a razor blade about bump stocks. It’s a non-issue. That was a BATF screw-up and Trump just directed them to make it right. We couldn’t have SBR’s and now all of sudden we can; because now they are “pistols”. I took advantage of that. Will I be surprised if a court ever slaps the ignorance out of the BATF on that? Of course not. Common sense and the intent of the law will prevail when questioned. If you want to allow bump stocks or short barrel rifles; repeal the laws banning them. The law requiring background checks passed the house. When it comes to a vote in the Senate; I expect it will pass. Will you blame him for that also? I see nothing that makes me think Trump is a gun grabber. But even if I did, what do you want to do? Is there one of those Democrats that has a chance you want to see elected?

I dont really have an opinion on Trump, save he pointed the finger in the right place today. But was curious what your basis for this is in action, based mainly on Bump stocks? He had the opportunity today to invoke executive orders that could have been really bad, but did not (yet?). Do that is passing on a golden opportunity if he is a gun grabber, no?

Never was a fan of the Tapco Mags. I kinda liked the fixed 10 rounders, myself.

I just finished 48 Hours by William Forstchen, author of One Second After. It's a pre-apocalypse book about the last 48 hours before a massive solar flare might hit earth, resulting in an extinction event. It's an outstanding premise, but the plot doesn't live up to the promise. If you're interested in prepping or survivalist books, this isn't a good book. It about how the head of security at a civilian bunker reacts as martial law is established and government bureaucrats try to take over the facility. I enjoy prepping and survivalist books because I can sometimes learn something useful, but this book had none of those aspects. Plus, the hero's rationale for who gets to come into the bunker seems unrealistic. Readers familiar with One Second After and One Year After will see some character similarities.

Sounds like Nashville needs a new mayor and DA. Nashville is turning into a liberal cess pool,

"Teen suspect killed in restaurant robbery attempt is Nashville's third self-defense shooting in ten days" That is the headline of a story right now. All three were attempting to rob people at gun point when they got shot. The good guys have been charged. I hate to break it to you, but the Nashville DA has charged a cop with murder for doing exactly what you described. And if they can do with him; it will be a lot easier to do it with any of us. [RANT ON] It burns me up that the liberals and conservatives alike want to hold innocent citizens responsible for the actions of criminals. These laws they want will never hold up to a court challenge. Also, how are they going to determine if the car was locked or not; ask the criminal? Don’t laugh at that; I bet that’s what they do. Plea bargain with a statement the vehicle was unlocked at they get a conviction plus another suspect that might have some money they can get. I keep a gun in my car. I go places I can't carry it. I lock my car. That doesn't mean a criminal can't commit a burglary by opening my car. One of us gets arrested because a gun stolen from our car was used in a crime and bet you have gun owners lined up to say "He should have had his car locked." or "He should have had a safe in his car." I have an idea. Unhandcuff the Police, tell them to stop the violent crime in their areas of assignment, assure them that when they arrest the violent thugs with guns those criminals will go to jail and they won’t get out for a very long time, give your Officers the support they deserve; have their back. [RANT OFF]

Absolutely. The other thing they desperately, desperately need is someone to blame. When the person to blame is dead and robs them of that through killing himself or getting killed by the cops; they are frantic.

I’m not shooting anything down. I think I have made it clear I have no tolerance for those that commit violent acts or threaten violence. Cuff them, stuff them, take their guns, and take them to trial. If convicted they lose their guns and are prohibited from anymore purchases. If they are not convicted or charges are dropped; their guns are immediately returned. I support clearly defined due process with no gray areas and times specified in hours or days not weeks or months. If guns are seized as evidence in a crime; so be it. But if a person is not charged criminally and their guns are confiscated as a safety precaution; they should be able to go before a Judge immediately or as soon as they can get an attorney if they want one, to decide on the seizure.

got the 1.0 5". Have a 2.9 4". not much difference.......both apexed out.

I've got a couple M&P 2.0's. on is 3.6 other is 4.25. They are generally great shooters, the compact came with a very good factory trigger, while the full size was kinda meh in that department. However I put an Apex enhancement kit in it and its very nice now. Almost too light @ 2.5 lbs. Ergonomically these guns are also very nice. The grip texture is a bit aggressive, but I like that. When this things go on sale for $400, its really a no brainer. Great platform. Aftermarket support is not quite a good as it is for the version 1, but still OK. I picked up the ported performance center upper for my 4.25, just take a simple mod to use the older slide on the new frame.

yeah i got a crappy one back in 2015 from a friend for $250 and have since put it in a tapco stock and got a ak style mag release and some tapco mags

That's not a bad price. I see used ones around here, going for that and they are all ragged out. I've had a couple over the years. Good, reliable shooters. The stocks on both were too short for me. I needed at least another inch or two at the butt. The pull was just too short. Still, I wish had at least one of them back.

Can you share with us what is so vague? Reading the language posted by Garfua I just don't see the innocuous language that would enable the government to start confiscating guns or create a registry of some sorts. To me this looks more like an advertising campaign that's designed to bring about awareness in properly storing guns safely.

I'm not talking about selective 2019 Googling. I am thinking back to 2012 and what they surfaced about his relationship with his mom and what witnesses had said she had told them before he killed her. His mother knew he had issues outside aspergers and she was afraid of him and what he might do. As I recall witnesses said he had threatened to kill her, and potentially she was going to commit him. I dont recall the order or all of it. I am sure that is googalable / wikiable and I look forward to what you find to also shoot that down and that no one knew (though that is not what the reports where at the time) as its been lost, forgotten, or debunked over the last 7 years

Correct. Money could be an issue. Some people can’t afford mental health care, some of the parents may have the money for it, but don’t want to spend it. Sorry…but there are some messed up totally worthless parents out there and they aren’t all that rare. Especially at the age most of these people are at. I’ve told the story here before about the guy that threw a block through the windshield of my squad car because he was kicked out of a mental health facility, because his state money ran out, and he was told they wouldn’t take him back if he had committed no crime. Luckily, he decided to damage my squad to get back in; he could have stuck a knife in someone. Those are the kinds of issues the legislature has to address.

I think a lot of this refers back to that old expression "If you see something or hear something say something!" Most people like that woman in San Bernadino back several years ago. She could hear things but didn't want to get involved and it cost many lives by keeping quiet. The manifesto from the El Paso shooter was released just shortly before he went on the shooting spree but with all the hatred that person had in him I would be willing to bet he had talked with family or friends about his feelings and they either didn't believe he was serious or they didn't think he would do something like that. Still in all, if he did talk about it with anyone they should have told someone about his feelings. There are many people that are upset with the influx of Hispanic people flooding into our country but his actions is not and never will be the answer to the problem............JMHO

Adam lanza did not exhibit any violence. People that have not exhibited violence would not be detected; he would have been one not detected. He had mental problems, but then there is this from Wikipedia… I think what most people have issue with and what legislation will attempt to address is those people that have acted out, they have had contact with the Police and/or medial/mental health professionals because of a violent incident , threat of violence, or threat of suicide.

They keep throwing around the statements about Mental Health Professionals needing to be a big part of fixing the problem. I do agree with that but these professionals will expect to be paid for their services and since the insurance industry is in total dissary and so many Americans don't have insurance where is the money going to come from to pay these professionals. I'm sure they will not just jump up and volunteer to do it Pro-Bono like some attorneys do. And then you have these people like the Dayton Shooter. According to police he never even got a parking ticket. I think it is very strange that he would open fire in a crowd knowing his sister and a friend where in the place and he ended up shooting and killing her and injuring her friend. If they all arrived together in 1 vehicle how many people think they knew what his plans were? I wonder how much information the friend is going to be able to provide? I would not think they knew his plans and went there knowing his plans to shoot up the place but that is just my opinion. Police have mentioned it once I think that his sister and her friend may have been his targets but not much else has been mentioned about that. I have been saying prayers for everyone affected by both shootings and I would like to say Good Job to the First Responders in Dayton. They save a whole lot of lives with their very fast response to the gun fire.

Our 2nd amendment rights are controlled by the United States Constitution and enforced by the Supreme Court of the United States. The President can’t do much by himself. Nothing earth shattering in his speech. He called for Congress to work together to come up with answers. That isn’t going to happen. Background checks and Red Flag laws; nothing new there. He wants to address Video Games and Social Media. Yeah okay. Like everyone else he’s calling on mental health professionals, expecting them to address a Congress locked in hate and wanting to give nothing of value to this President. I don’t see much happening here. Although, it would not surprise me to see legislation requiring all gun sales to go through back-ground checks. That would probably pass but would become a States Rights issue and go to the SCOTUS, eventually. Oh yea, babble about the death penalty. Like many, he just doesn’t seem to get it that threats don’t work with people willing to die. I’m pretty sure the guy in Texas knew he will be executed and was okay with that.

Trump would certainly be reelected if he would sit back, keep quiet, and let the performance of the economy be his campaign message. But because Trump is more focused on saying and doing childish and arrogant things than he is on anything else, including leading the country, I think it's entirely possible he many find a way to lose against the worst field of Democratic candidates in my lifetime.

And yet the liar Cory Booker was claiming this morning that Trump hasn't done any gun control measures. That's just not so!, and Chucky Todd knew that yet did not correct the loudmouth. Unbiased media my butt! I was yelling at the old boob tube this morning. I'd bet Trump will go after 100 round mags now...not that it will stop deranged people from mass killing. Only a police state on perpetual lockdown will stop this sort of stuff as we all know. Saying that... outlawing 100 rd. magazines is the least offensive measure he can throw at law abiding gun owners. Most don't even know they exist. In this day and age Trump is our best hope at stemming the tide of our loss of gun rights. He's up against a wall and if he loses in 2020 we will be losing alot more than 100 rd mags!

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You said it there. Absolutely. With a corollary of How much lawyer you can afford = How much truth you can buy I appreciate the experience of wearing a badge and seeing many domestic disputes leads to cynicism and that all parties are guilty or have something to be guilty about. I'll kindly disagree that is always the case. Sometimes, people just suck. But of course...you know that all too well.

Exactly why I don't have an NRA or any other gun sticker on my truck. Anyone can call 911 and say a guy in red chevy tag# just pointed a pistol at me. Most folks with NRA sticker probably has a pistol in truck. Cop stops you and you have pistol. Lawyer fees may be least of your worries.

If imagine if any of them we’d still be hearing about it. While permit holders are not unknown for committing crimes or murder, it is a very small number, and none that I’ve ever heard of have committed atrocities on the level of what we’ve seen the past couple of days.

Your 1st amendment rights don’t fly out the window unless you throw them there. It’s always possible that you could be falsely accused of threatening someone. But it’s rare for an innocent person to be accused. Cops usually know the whole story (or at least hear all sides); we rarely do. But with threats in Social Media; they are there in writing for Cops, DA’s, Judges and/or Juries to decide on. People threatening suicide is usually a cry for help. The only “help” the cops can give them is to get them to a medical or mental health facility and remove their firearms. Sorry; but that’s what’s going to happen. The rest is up to Doctors, Mental Health workers, clergy, and the family. Some of whom are usually who called the Police because they were in a situation they couldn’t deal with.

The irony is, in effect, your first amendment rights kind of fly out the window to some degree. You have to be very careful what you say as it could be misinterpreted. And you have the burden of proof, not your accuser. Essentially you get someone who has a grudge against you and they can claim you said something in a threatening manner and you don't feel safe.

Just so everyone is clear, the Type 56’s currently on the market are not “Norinco”. They mostly are 60’s era military issue that predate Norinco and their commercial production.

Wow, times have changed. If you sell more 10mm than .40; that’s truly amazing. But….aren’t the 10mm guys the big dog in the room? And why would you, as a gun store employee, be upset enough by what someone carries to refer to them as the Big Dog in the room? Doesn’t Sumner County carry .40’s? I know Gallatin PD carries 9mm; that’s what Beretta gave them. But hey, I don’t know how we got sidetracked talking about the 10mm guys and big dogs, and all that. This discussion is about the kittens. The M&P EZ, and for the time it’s only available in .380. I was just pointing out that I would bet they will offer that in a usable round (at least in the dog family), and that they are having problems with it probably (although I could be wrong, I have been before) do to that weak round. Why will that happen? Because people that have problems racking the slide on other firearms need it. That grip safety is a whole other story; it has nothing to do with racking that slide. That I know of, but I could be wrong about that also.

I agree. I have a BDA that I've owned for so long I can't remember when I bought it. Great size, good capacity at 13 rounds, and shoots well. But has more felt recoil from a 380 than I ever expected.

Actually very true.

I mean, if you’re looking for guns in .40, find dealers that stock police trade ins. There are tons of those out there as departments around the country ditch the round in droves.

Ammo sales would disagree with you. We have boxes that have been sitting around since June '18 that we got for Black Friday that year. .40 ist kaput.

Have an $89 one in the safe

Sounds like a nice trip. I would be uber careful in Illinois. I have a couple of LEO friends that live in Paducah. The IL state police like to hassle any LEO that crosses the line so they don't carry there except when on duty and in uniform. I avoid IL like the plague. I won't even connect through Chicago on a flight if I have checked weapons. Too much risk if the flights get cancelled.

Czexy! I liken 'em

My noise makers.... Ibanez EX from the 90's, Peavy Classic Chorus 212, Ovation knock-off.

It’s starting to sound like the shooter is another crazy, racist, white boy. This time with an AK. Just damn.

Well I have $125 burning a hole in my pocket if you want to make a profit.

Stole this from another list I'm on, had me laughing out loud. Why We Shoot Deer in The Wild: (A letter from someone who wants to remain anonymous, who farms, writes well and actually tried this) I had this idea that I could rope a deer, put it in a stall, feed it up on corn for a couple of weeks, then kill it and eat it. The first step in this adventure was getting a deer. I figured that, since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not seem to have much fear of me when we are there (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck not 4 feet away), it should not be difficult to rope one, get up to it and toss a bag over its head (to calm it down) then hog tie it and transport it home. I filled the cattle feeder then hid down at the end with my rope. The cattle, having seen the roping thing before, stayed well back. They were not having any of it. After about 20 minutes, my deer showed up-- 3 of them. I picked out a likely looking one, stepped out from the end of the feeder, and threw my rope. The deer just stood there and stared at me. I wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end so I would have a good hold. The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could tell it was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation. I took a step towards it, it took a step away. I put a little tension on the rope, and then received an education. The first thing that I learned is that, while a deer may just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, they are spurred to action when you start pulling on that rope. That deer EXPLODED. The second thing I learned is that pound for pound, a deer is a LOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range I could fight down with a rope and with some dignity. A deer-- no Chance. That thing ran and bucked and twisted and pulled. There was no controlling it and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me that having a deer on a rope was not nearly as good an idea as I had originally imagined. The only upside is that they do not have as much stamina as many other animals. A brief 10 minutes later, it was tired and not nearly as quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me when I managed to get up. It took me a few minutes to realize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out of the big gash in my head. At that point, I had lost my taste for corn-fed venison. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope. I figured if I just let it go with the rope hanging around its neck, it would likely die slow and painfully somewhere. At the time, there was no love at all between me and that deer. At that moment, I hated the thing, and I would venture a guess that the feeling was mutual. Despite the gash in my head and the several large knots where I had cleverly arrested the deer's momentum by bracing my head against various large rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to recognize that there was a small chance that I shared some tiny amount of responsibility for the situation we were in. I didn't want the deer to have to suffer a slow death, so I managed to get it lined back up in between my truck and the feeder - a little trap I had set before hand...kind of like a squeeze chute. I got it to back in there and I started moving up so I could get my rope back. Did you know that deer bite? They do! I never in a million years would have thought that a deer would bite somebody, so I was very surprised when ..... I reached up there to grab that rope and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist. Now, when a deer bites you, it is not like being bit by a horse where they just bite you and slide off to then let go. A deer bites you and shakes its head--almost like a pit bull. They bite HARD and it hurts. The proper thing to do when a deer bites you is probably to freeze and draw back slowly. I tried screaming and shaking instead. My method was ineffective. It seems like the deer was biting and shaking for several minutes, but it was likely only several seconds. I, being smarter than a deer (though you may be questioning that claim by now), tricked it. While I kept it busy tearing the tendons out of my right arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose. That was when I got my final lesson in deer behavior for the day. Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear right up on their back feet and strike right about head and shoulder level, and their hooves are surprisingly sharp... I learned a long time ago that, when an animal -like a horse --strikes at you with their hooves and you can't get away easily, the best thing to do is try to make a loud noise and make an aggressive move towards the animal. This will usually cause them to back down a bit so you can escape. This was not a horse. This was a deer, so obviously, such trickery would not work. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different strategy. I screamed like a woman and tried to turn and run. The reason I had always been told NOT to try to turn and run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that it will hit you in the back of the head. Deer may not be so different from horses after all, besides being twice as strong and 3 times as evil, because the second I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down. Now, when a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does not immediately leave. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger has passed. What they do instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head. I finally managed to crawl under the truck and the deer went away. So now I know why when people go deer hunting they bring a rifle with a scope......to sort of even the odds!! All these events are true so help me God...An Educated Farmer