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Another good brand that never seems to get mentioned is the Ruger AR556-right in your $500.00 range

Just go something like this Completed lower $99 https://palmettostatearmory.com/complete-psa-ar-15-lower-classic-edition.html Complete upper with bcc and charging handle. $179 https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-midlength-5-56-nato-1-7-melonite-freedom-upper-with-bcg-and-ch.html Total before and tax, shipping, background check, or transfer. $280 Buy 10 mags, use code pmag https://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-pmag-30-5-56x45-magazine-mag571-blk.html $79.90 SHIPPING & HANDLING (SHIPPING OPTION - GROUND) $34.00 TAX $29.04 Transfer $25 Bgc $10 Total $458

You can get all kinds of brand new AR’s for less than $550 unless you just don’t want to buy new from a dealer. Don’t have any specific recommendations because there are just so many options. The S&W is very well respected. Don’t know much about the Savage. You might also check Palmetto State Armory online. They are a giant in the business and generally are excellent rifles with lots options and features for the price.

I’d still like to see Marlin come out with a .500 S&W Magnum. Even .460 would be interesting but a .500 1894 carbine would give me the giggles.

I'm pleased with mine holding a 3rd Gen Glock 19. The only mods on mine are a left-front mounded QD so I can use my preferred 2-point sling, the left thumb-rest, a Vortex Sparc II Red Dot (bought here on TnGunOwners), and I have a pair of Magpul backup sights that need to be installed. I bought an Athlon 1-4 scope to use on it as I don't like being dependent on electronics mounted to firearms, but found the weight excessive and moved the scope to my Ruger PC Carbine. No, it's not considered a SRB so no tax stamp is required.

What ever you do, DO NOT google “big horn armory”. You have been warned.

That’s ridiculous; get smarter friends. The M&P is a proven performer and you can get it new for around $500, even less on sale. No point in buying a garage build that you know nothing about. Don't do that until you are ready to tackle your own garage build. https://grabagun.com/smith-and-wesson-mp15-sport-ii-or-5-56mm-16.html

Looks like a good time to me...

After more discussions, apparently our church leadership has decided his soul is valuable to them and God. They intend to help this young man if at all possible, but will not put up with continual problems caused by this young man. They will not tolerate church panhandling nor distractions caused by this guy and have told him so recently. If he is serious about self improvement they will do what they can to try and aid that, but will not hesitate to tell him not to come back if problems continue. They also told him they were not equipped to handle some of his problems (IE mental and drug), but have located a place for him to seek counseling, through our local Health Department, if he wants to do that. Evidently his parents told them he was not a danger to anyone, "if you can believe that". I am real concerned about that one and time will tell. They do not want to call Police, for now, but if they need to tell him not to come back, it is their intention to call them and make him known to them. They said they had to consider, "What would Jesus do in this situation," and they are concerned for this young man's soul even though he is not a member of our group at this time. May God help us! He never attended Wednesday night services of this week. We will see what transpires this coming Sunday. Wish I could say more.

I was honestly very impressed with the Canik TP9 Elite Combat that I played with at NRAAM in Indianapolis. I know some people get wrapped up with the fact that it's made by the Turks, but the Turks know how to make some nice firearms. Besides, if the fact that the founder of Kahr was involved in the Unification Church (moonies) didn't bother people, the Turks being Muslim shouldn't bother anyone either.

Had one. Returned to seller. Good concept, extremely poor execution. Software was the biggest problem. It would continuously lock up and/or go to a black screen requiring a hard reset to get it going again. I agree with the NV folks on arfcom .... "Run!" Check in here .... http://atnowners.com Look into the Sightmark Wraith. I don't have one .... yet. (waiting / watching)

Okay, I’ve gotten some time to come up for air. I’ve reread everything here and will offer a few thoughts. Upfront, there will certainly be folks who disagree with me. Take these thoughts for what they are, and maybe use them to process your own church’s response. It sounds like you’ve got a good engaged leadership. First, this is absolutely Kingdom work. Scripture is concerned with three types of people over and over again - the sojourner, the widow, and the orphan. You might argue that a young drug addict doesn’t fall into any of these categories. But, he’s clearly an “other” who society has little use for. Jesus would see this young man and engage with him. This young man is Jesus’s kind of person. Second, working with folks like this is a long effort. It’s dirty. It’s personal. It can be life changing - for the people doing the work as well as the person being helped. When you decide to help - it will change the way that you see things. Things are rarely as simple as we like to try to see them. And working with folks with needs like these will change the way you see things. We’re a small church (150 on a good Sunday) and have worked regularly with 3 or 4 folks who’ve struggled with addiction and homelessness for years now - literally 8 years in a couple of the cases. There are rarely any clean breaks. We work towards that - but there are definitely systemic issues that make it tough. Be prepared for the long haul. Third, there are going to be some people who will be quite vocal in opposing working with this young man. The way I think about this is sort of like this - if this is Kingdom work - it’s very much at the border of the Kingdom. We’ve built our comfortable suburban churches to be at what we see as the center of the Kingdom. So, we rarely have to get our hands dirty if we don’t want to - and a lot of us don’t want to - so we’re really uncomfortable with it when we experience it. Think of a person who’s only ever bought meat neatly shrink wrapped at the grocery store suddenly having to slaughter their own meat. Many really aren’t going to like it. —- File this next part under the thoughts of a church of Christ guy who is deeply skeptical of some of the ways we’ve organized our churches today. What I’m about to say is likely to offend a lot of folks. Feel free to skip ahead. I’m deeply skeptical of the “security teams” that we’re organizing in a lot of our churches. We’ve organized these suburban churches that give us these curated experiences that make us feel good about our personal relationships with Jesus. But, do we see the Gospel in our churches? if we’re not careful - the illusion of security in our churches can become idolatrous. I think we really need to struggle with this more than we do. To go back to my Kingdom language from earlier, I think we see ourselves as being close to the center of the Kingdom. But, in reality we’ve created these cloistered, walled off churches and don’t realize that we’re way more isolated than we think we are. Jesus referred to folks like this as whitewashed tombs once upon a time - and I think It’s probably worth holding up mirror every now and then and taking a good hard look. The irony of it is, we don’t realize it - but we’re not fully experiencing the Kingdom either. There’s a rich seven course meal waiting, but we’ve convinced ourselves that the stale sandwiches we’re eating are as good as it gets. This young man is isolated in ways that are public. But, what we don’t realize is that a lot of us experience isolation in ways that are just as debilitating - but we suffer in private. One of the things that we’ve lost in the modern Western church is that historically there was no idea of personal salvation. Redemption and salvation was delivered through community. I’d offer for thought that by leaving our comfort and heading to the borders of the Kingdom, we might find that salvation comes to us all. Happy to discuss this further out of this thread. —- Back to this young man, I’d offer some pragmatic thoughts. 1. Let your safety team operate as sort of “congregational concierges.” I think we see shootings and want to see the outsider as an opposition force. But, in the Kingdom, everyone is welcome. This young man may in fact go to the front of the line at the proverbial wedding banquet. We need people on these teams who default to being welcome and generous. 2. This young man may not be in a place where he’s ready to accept help. He may not know that he needs help. But, if we figure that God brings people though our doors for a reason - then we need to see him and invite him into the Kingdom. 3. But, it’s okay to set some ground rules. Sort of a framework like - we’re happy to help - but you can’t be high at services. You cannot ask members for money. Appoint a point of contact (maybe a deacon) and funnel through that person. 4. Think about other resources in your congregation who might be able to help. For instance, you might have folks who would never volunteer for a “safety team” - but who work in other helpful spaces. In our church, we have nurses, a mental health resource, people who work in non profits in housing, and social workers. The value that they bring to the table is infinite. And, it’s great to see them use their professional talents for the Kingdom. 5. Consider outside help. We put something in place a while back where we basically subsidize counseling for our members. Specifically, any member of our church can go to counseling for $5 per session - which basically rounds to free. We pay $70 as a church to make up the difference. I see both the bills and the uptake in our church - and from a pastoral perspective, this is probably the best money we spend in a given year. You’re in middle Tennessee - so I could put you in touch with resources that could set something like this up. 6. Scaffold your help. This is a long effort and there is some fatigue that can go along with it. Have that point person or persons - but check in regularly and have your elders keep up with what’s going on. 7. Work towards reconciliation. This young man needs healing - and his family needs to be a part of it. He and they may not be ready for it - but it’s worth looping back on. 8. Know that the Holy Spirit certainly plays the long game and will work in ways that we cannot even fathom if we’ll just make room for it to happen. That was a long answer to your question - but know you’re doing Kingdom work. Certainly my prayers are with you. Happy to talk further if it’s helpful.

Good advice, but also dont forget that God gave you eyes to see and a brain to think with...

It already is, or that kid wouldn’t be at that church. But that doesn’t mean everyone stands on the sidelines and watches for a miracle to happen.

https://handgun.safety.tn.gov/WebFiles/HESS/2019LegislativeSynopsis.pdf

This am, I ordered a new gun I've been wanting for a while. Walther PPS M2 RSMc 9mm. Has a Shield red dot sight with 4MOA dot. Should be here Thurs. or Fri. Anxious to say the least. Got zeroing to do. Sights co-witness with the iron sights, if needed. The dot stays on all the time & adjusts for light. We'll see how it goes, will take some getting used to. My old eyes, and tri-focal glasses, will, I think work better than with iron sights. Ordered from Lebanon Gun Shop, on Hartman Dr.

...besides myself of course. Just curious how ya'll are liking yours, really love'n mine so far....bought it early on this year. I do like the OD color, tho' after watching their new promo vid I am a bit envious of the custom stars & stripes motif.

We live on a 1/2 mile long dead end road with 8 or so houses. Our place has a hill/mountain behind us and a safe place to shoot so I setup a small range that I can shoot off my back deck out to 30 yards and if I set my shooting stand down the back drive I can get 50 yards. I try to limit the really loud stuff to only once in awhile and only a few shots but often when friends are out to shoot we will do several hundred rounds in an hour, mostly handguns (all calibers up to .44mag) and .22 rifles. I have asked a few neighbors if it bothers them and they said they haven't noticed. I know that at least 4 of us on the road have small ranges setup and another is planning one. Everyone on the road owns guns. When one of the democratic candidates may some comment about hearing gun shots from his house and that was a problem, I told my wife we hear gun shots often and it makes me feel safe. Just be sure you are outside of town and have enough land to setup a safe place and don't be too annoying to your neighbors. I have invited several neighbors to come up and shoot if they hear me out or just stop over, it doesn't take much to get me to go out and shoot. So far only two have taken me up on it.

A big ole Thumbs Up on the Ruger AR-556. Have 2 and both plenty accurate out-of-the-box and eat both good and cheap ammo like it is going out of style!!!

I think GrabaGun has the Ruger AR 556 at that now. Like others here, I've bought parts kits,complete uppers, complete lowers, and Complete rifles from PSA. They've been very good. And at these prices...it's practically a giveaway. I've paid way more for uppers than this U/L combo. I keep wanting that 179 upper. Have a lower just waiting for it. Must try and run it by the wife first though.

That’s an excellent suggestion actually. Other than the goofy looking front sight/gas block. They have a 1:8 twist barrel which is the ideal IMHO.

I have both PSA factory guns and a couple that were bought like above. The above snaps together in 30 seconds. No real assembly. Nothing like assembling it from scratch. I agree that if you buy a scratch build from a stranger there is a risk they were sloppy. Is QA at the factory about the same odds? Maybe. Some people are more comfortable with a factory gun. I think unless you are shooting 1000s of rounds, it does not matter. Some guns have nicer furniture and some the same as the PSA. Little of that effects the usage of the gun unless you really get specialized. . Factory versus build is an old debate with people on both sides.

Wow, I had no idea prices were that low now. It is the time to buy if you want an AR. Prices may or may not get very stupid in the fall of 2020.

I really wouldn’t worry about it too much. After The Man comes to take our guns and you’re ever found with one that can’t be explained, you’ll be put under the jailhouse.

Yep..... replied on the other thread.

I love mine. SBR it's not, but if you already own compatible hardware it can ship to your door (no stamp), increases LR accuracy, accommodates built-in or add-on lighting, lasers and sights are easy to add, second magazine is at hand, and.....you can wear it around your neck (with a QD sling mount). For me it's the perfect bed-side companion....don't tell my wife.

I've been giving a lot of thought to getting one of these. Any comments from you gents?

I put a holosun 507C on my TP9SFX and it is a great combo. I am cross eye dominant and I have found that the dot is easier to work than irons with my non-typical setup.

There have actually been several cases (no, I'm not good enough to find the cites) that I've read (newspaper reports of trial results) where folks who have been "invaded" by the cops in error and shot the "invaders" have been acquitted. But my guess is that for every one who survived such an encounter there's a José Guarena or three as well. Point being that while it MAY be fatal to shoot at intruders, it's much more likely to be fatal to NOT shoot if there's no reason for them to be there at 3am. Being the law-abiding citizen I am, I have a higher suspicion that I'll be "invaded" by someone with felonious intent (hence deserving to be shot) than by a cop who "just got the address wrong, oopsie".

Even a HOT day of shooting beats a moderate day of most everything else....

It should not be the place for state government to add weapons crimes for people, especially people with carry permits, who are violating a property owner's weapons and/or human resource policies. Weapons policies are normally civil issues (such as workplace rules) and at most turn into trespass issues when an individual refuses to leave when a property owner/manager asks that person to leave. Tennessee is one of the few states in the country that has that sort of law on the books and applies it to people with carry permits. Constitutional carry would be great but does not fix the other places in this state that you cannot legally carry a handgun even with a permit. Many of those locations are legal to carry with a permit in other states, like college campuses.

Peltor settled a lawsuit with the government because those ear plugs did not meet the specifications and are not really that good for shooting. I don’t think that I would use them.

I have a Rossi copy of a 92 Winchester. With 38 target loads, it’s like shooting a BB gun for big guys. With full power 357s, you know you’re shooting a real rifle.

As long as he has money for the lawyer, and the lawyer has money for the judge, these things can press on for years it seems. You won’t likely convince me that criminal court is anything more than an extortion racket.

If the young mans parents have given up on him it sounds like he has been a handful before coming to the Church. There is only so much help you can give anyone that does not want to help themselves and it sounds like this is one of those cases. He was living with his parents and would not continue his rehabilitation which is an indication he does not want help, he wants a handout. I don't know if the church leaders have notified the proper authorities such as local police and discussed their problem maybe they should at least make them aware of the issue. The police may already have him on their radar but if they don't they need to..............JMHO

First thing to do is stop publishing member directories with names, pictures and other personal information

You better get privy and you better do it before you act. I’m not trying to sound like a hard azz, but I would do exactly whatever your Church leaders tell you to do. They have been made aware of the problem and apparently decided they are not equipped to deal with it; so ask them what they want you to do when he shows up or who they want you to call that is equipped to deal with him. You can’t guess. Don’t put yourself in a situation you don’t need to be in.

Can your deacons help find this young man some place where he could seek treatment? It isn’t easy, but doesn’t seem Christlike to give up on someone seeking help.

Can M80 ball not hit a target at 200 yards and get you into the snobs club?

Ok, this is just my opinion. But its based on 42 years as a mechanic. Chrysler is nothing but junk! The officers didn't like them because they felt uncomfortable and cramped. An 8 hour shift in these things wasn't very inviting. The interior was just poorly laid out. Of course they were used to a nice roomy Crown Vic. One of the main issues with the Chargers was the brakes. They couldn't hold up to police service. We were replacing them every 4000 to 8000 miles. I remember one time when I just happened to be at the scene of an accident before the Police arrived. This Charger Patrol car came screaming in Code 3. Lights, siren and running full tilt. When he got stopped, the brakes were smoking so bad that I quit what I was doing and ran over to make sure the car wasn't on fire! Don't even get me started on the electrical system. What a nightmare! And finally, seems like pretty much every piece of the plastic interior was prone to breakage. How Dodge ever managed to sell these things as Police cars is way beyond me.

A little story for y'all. Back around 2006, my wife was in desperate need of a new car. She was disabled, so that ruled out any kind of compact right off the bat. She needed a full size sedan just to make getting in and out easier. I was working for the city and as such had an intimate relationship with our Police Crown Vics. I tried my best to talk her into one knowing full well it would be ideal for her. She liked the car but balked at the idea of driving around in a cop car. So I did a little shopping around and she ended up buying a very nice, low mileage 2004 Mercury Grand Marquis. She absolutely loved that car! Like I said, she was disabled, so she didn't really drive it all that much. I still own that car today and do drive it from time to time. Its 15 years old now and has a whopping 67,000 miles on it. I doubt I'll ever sell it. Its just too good to let go of.

I don’t find that simple at all and have a fundamental issue with it.

Just awesome.

Running around trying to catch this little bugger was all worth it!

A couple of weekends ago ...... My precious grandchildren (8 and 10) with their joint birthday presents from “Pa” ...... their own Daisy’s.

That C&R license still coming in handy. Serial number has it made in 1945. 74 years old!

this is my current Sharpening System

Yeah, you told @Erik88 you ain’t got no money.

If you answered no, you could always go with this...