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This was a good move by a local range I never even knew about....I will be dropping in ! Security Academy & Supply/ Bullzeye Range May 2 at 2:03 PM · ATTENTION RANGE USA MEMBERS! We at Bullzeye Range feel badly about you losing your memberships with no recompense, so we have a deal for you! We will be honoring your memberships as our own! Bring proof of your current membership and we will give you our member price until your Range USA membership expires!

Smart business people grabbing the opportunity.

If anybody needs a new dealer to do transfers in the Bartlett area, I spoke with my guy today and he'll be happy to get RUSA's former transfer customers. He's retired and all he does is transfers. Good guy, reasonable prices. Send me a PM if you want his name and phone number.

Food for thought: Most anyone on TGO who feels that mandated proficiency is a violation of the Second Amendment is most likely already operating at a higher level of proficiency than the State's minimum requirement. Meaning, you might be viewing the requirement through the lens of being someone who feels that they are being condescended to by the government.

80% ….correct no FFL required...really the only reason to get one unless you just like tinkering...now with these glock kits coming out at 80%...im sure there will be some rules changes the first time some POS uses one in a publicized crime....but for now if avoiding govt scrutiny is your thing or you just like to "build" they are the way to go....also if you have a Rural King nearby they usually have Anderson lowers for 49

This is a very true statement. I've said before that I believe that we, as gun owners, are absolutely our own worst enemies. The other side is united under the banner of their hatred of guns and desire to see us disarmed. Everything else to them is academic. They don't care how it happens or what it looks like, and are usually satisfied with incremental wins. We, on the other hand, tend to be so anti-authoritarian that nothing but a perfect decision is palatable and none of us agree on the mechanics of any victory no matter how small. I think the biggest difference between the current generation of Constitutionalists and our Founding Fathers is that they tried hard to put the greater good before self. That's a shameful indictment of our modern mindset.

As a gun owners forum members we cannot agree on the laws that are passed, so how does anyone expect the Tn. legislature to pass any kind of gun laws that we could all support. Your local representative is the person you need to be contacting about your views of particular laws. Let them know how you feel and what kind of new laws you would like for them to support. Yes would like to see this on a state wide ballot next state election cycle, changing to Constitutional carry. Let the voters choose instead of a few so called politicians. As far as taking the Tn driving test making some one a responsible driver, I wish it were true. One of the most dangerous things in your daily life is a 16 yr old teenager, or any irresponsible person, driving a 3500# missile at 60 miles an hour next to you on a highway.

Man am I glad to be in Kentucky. TN just keeps complicating it. I have my CCDW up here, but in July we go Constitutional Carry. I will keep my permit for reciprocity though.

Selfish as it may be, this is the main reason that I oppose this Bill. The Tennessee permit used to be the most widely accepted permit in the country. It no longer is, and I fear that I will lose reciprocity with even more states once this is signed into law. As an over the road truck driver, this impacts me immediately and personally. If the legislature really wanted to do something that makes it easier for folks to exercise their right to defend themselves they would’ve passed constitutional carry. Instead they went full blue falcon with this bill.

I think one of the results that will affect all permit holders will be more posted property. Terrible Bill with no good results IMO

I figured it was time for me to embrace the future and put a red dot sight on a Glock. I chose my Gen 4 Glock 19 for this and ordered a stripped slide from Suarez International done in their black Melonite treatment with plain black, suppressor-height, front and rear sights. I filled it with a set of stock Gen 4 Glock internals from Big Tex Outdoors, tossed in a Silencerco barrel that I've been sitting on for a while, and topped it off with a Trijicon RM07 6.5MOA red dot sight. It's riding on my Gen 4's frame with an Agency Arms minimalist magwell, a Streamlight TLR-7 light, a Crux Ordnance extended mag release, and a bit of thumb-index stippling done by yours truly with an ice-pick heated up with a BIC lighter. Just kidding. I used a woodburning tool, but I totally could have done that with a hot ice-pick. I may put a different trigger in it. I'm not sure. I am one of those weirdos who likes the OEM Glock Gen 4 trigger, but the trigger on my Gen 5 is just so damn nice that it has me thinking about an Agency or Apex trigger on this. We'll see.

Yep.

There’s no incremental gains here. It’s a bad bill that will result in a net loss for folks who carry in and out of the state. All for some politicians to be able to make a claim of being pro-2A while not having the desire nor the balls to actually put forth and advance actual pro-2A legislation.

I just bought two from specialty arms, 54.95$ plus tax and background. Out the door for right at 130$.

I think the new concealed carry permit might cause more incidental interactions with law enforcement, maybe where people call because they saw a gun sticking out. Printing is supposed to be forgiven, if accidental, but it will still cause an interruption and aggravation. Hopefully, there are no negative consequences. Dawn White voted for it. I had written, asking her to vote against it. I thought about that. I noticed that the TFA was against the legislation, but the NRA supported it. This is troublesome. I think the NRA's support was only because they could brag about being pro-gun. And, White voted for it to get a better rating from the NRA. I think the NRA was absolutely wrong to ignore the TFA.

It is important to note that the slight improvement to the 'no gun sign' law did not even make it through the Senate again to be signed by the governor. So basically we got absolutely no reduction in carry restrictions this year. The NRA it seems like could not even get behind a simple modification to slightly making our carry laws better and seeing that bill passed through the legislature to the governor's office. Instead it looks like the NRA lobbyist pushed for a 2nd carry permit that saves people 35 bucks and could cause those of us with current handgun carry permits/now 'enhanced' to lose reciprocity with other states. Those of us with now 'enhanced' permits got no benefits that people in other states with 'enhanced' permits have, which include legal school, college campus carry, and in general ability to carry about anywhere without worrying about "am I legal here?" .

My wife and I took permit classes there also. I haven't been there in years due to the location, but it's on my list for this weekend.

That’s actually where my wife and I did our permit classes. It’s not a bad range. It’s location out on Lamar is the thing that hurts it most, but the staff were always professional and friendly.

Good morning everyone. I am new to the group, I found you guys while looking for pro 2A organizations to support other than the NRA, which I am still a member of. I hope to find some good information here and make some good friends.

Yes. 18 rounds of fun! Then there's the 20 round mags too. I have 2 of them. Don't really know why. I get tired of shooting out the 18s. lol I know I'm a Canik fan-boy. If finances permit, after this weekend trip with my wife, I may just get another. You know, just for spare parts.

I'm another one that is not a fan of the bill. When I took my carry permit the second time (returning from living out of state) I was shocked that about 40% of the class had never owned a gun and at least 20% of the class had not pulled the trigger on a gun in the last 20 or more years. I think it's a valid complaint that some of these people should have some form of training so they know to keep their booger hook off the bleaping trigger. I too am concerned about what this will do for reciprocity with other states. Instead of removing the requirement for the class make a change so that you can show proof of other forms of formal training. Hunter safety course, former military, competitive pistol shooting etc. If you know how to handle a gun there is no reason to take the class but if you are not even sure which end to look at then you should have some kind of training.

MN and WA both quit honoring TN permits after the 18 year old military exception was enacted, stating that dropping the 21 year old age requirement as the reason. - OS

I don’t care if they sell them on another site for less, or 1% of the price, if they are under another name. This administration is trying to stop the counterfeit. Plenty of counterfeit Leupolds and EOTech’s around, and software being sold for pennies on the dollar. That needs to be stopped.

Omega , There are varying degrees of "trained". Who said anything about "hundreds of dollars"? Hell I'm just arguing for the MINIMAL level that is already in the permit classes we already have...not lessening it. While we all (anyone who knows any better) look negatively at the minimal amount of training the current HCP class provides , it is still FAR better than NOTHING. The reason you "always hear this same argument, specially from those that teach these courses " is because we actually see first hand on a daily or weekly basis how abysmally bad the gun handling of many casual gun owners truly is....

I'm not a fan of this bill. We got absolutely nothing out of it and if what OS said was true, that two states have already dropped us from reciprocity, then we went backwards! One of the reasons I got a HCP was to be able to carry when outside the state on vacation. Also I think some sort of minimal training is necessary. Merely showing "competency" in my book is not enough!

I guess making people pass a driving test to be able to legally drive on public roads is an unreasonable imposition too? If people who have no interest in learning how to properly handle and use a firearm want to "bare arms" on their own property they are not really a danger to anyone but their own family (and maybe their next door neighbors). But if they then decide to carry out in the world then they now will potentially effect everyone out in public "down range" from them. If they don't know how to safely handle a gun on a "one way square range" is it really a great idea for them to try to learn it on the fly on a 360 degree "hot range" which is what the outside real world is. Fortunately we do not see many instances of accidental discharges reported (but how many people actually report that though?) but I do know of one in Chattanooga where a young woman was killed when a negligently discharged bullet came through the wall of her apartment and hit her. And before anyone thinks they are going to "question my commitment to the cause" I have carried a gun on my person on a daily basis an average of about 360 days a year for the last 26 years (before some people on this forum were even born). If I'm awake I'm armed unless I have to go through a metal detector or unless I am outside the US in a country where I can not take my gun. I have actually used a gun to defend myself in public. I'm a founding member of my church's security team. I've spent 20 years working in the firearms industry. I am an NRA member, I'm an NRA instructor. I am a TN Handgun Carry Permit Instructor who started teaching the class in 1999. I have voted against anti gun candidates in EVERY single election since I turned 18 in 1990 and I not only shoot competitively as a hobby but also teach people to shoot and to defend themselves with firearms while working for a nationally recognized training company for the last 15 years. And before you even say it ...no... "profit motive".... is not the reason I suggest people actually learn how to safely and effectively handle firearms before they carry them in public. It is simply what conscientious adult humans do. They do not potentially willfully, arrogantly and ignorantly endanger themselves and others out in public. I get it. We all want the 2A to be an absolute written on stone tablets handed down from on high never to be infringed with law of the land. But the other side of that is the old "with power comes responsibility" thing. IF you are going to carry loaded guns in public you really should also be civically minded enough to learn how to use and safely handle them. Not just so that you are far more likely to actually effectively hit the bad guy in a lethal force incident but also so that you are far less likely to hit anyone OTHER than the bad guys.... or not hit yourself or others accidentally from a negligent discharge while handling the gun. (We saw something a while back where some guy shot and killed himself holstering his pistol while sitting in his car. ) I come down on this side of the argument. People have an absolute GOD GIVEN natural law of nature right to defend themselves. Period. On the other hand if they are using projectile weapons that can kill or wound people outside their physical reach they REALLY need to learn the safe handling of the weapon and proper use of it. On their own property they are far less likely to endanger others. Out in public now everyone within range of the weapon is potentially in danger if the carrier does not know how to safely handle the gun they are carrying. Part of being an adult is recognizing the world does not revolve around us and that other people are effected by our decisions and actions. As such it is imperative that we (as defenders of the 2A and frankly just as conscientious adults) learn to safely handle objects that can cause crippling injury and death if we are going to carry them and possibly use them out in public. What I'd rather see than this watered down sad attempt at "pro gun legislation" is a 2 tiered system where a minimal amount of safe gun handling is covered and a minimal accuracy standard is required for the "basic permit" and that might be only $25-$50 ....or heck maybe even free ? (not sure how that unfunded mandate would be carried out). Then have a REAL enhanced permit that requires a bit more training that really is actually ENHANCED where you can carry ANYWHERE (signs or not) and go about your daily life without having to worry about whether it is OK to carry here or there or in this business or that business or in this park or that. At a bare minimum they should remove any legal penalty for carrying past signage for people with a permit. The signs have never stopped the bad guys from carrying so why should the good guys be disarmed if the bad guys are not and if the location is not providing armed security and limited access? If businesses don't like it they can still "trespass" you if they ask you to leave and you don't. THAT would be an actual PRO 2A piece of legislation.

Here's what I see… Reciprocity. Nothing will change with a EHCP but the name. So you will still have reciprocity with the states that allowed it before. Because no real training is required some states won’t recognize the CHCP; some will. With the CHCP local government can prevent you from carrying on public property. With a EHCP they can only do that if they provide security. With this will have to come legislation addressing open carry for CHCP. So I assume they will have to deal with laws on Printing, improper exhibition, or brandishing. But maybe not, this bill doesn’t seem to address it. The biggest stumbling block this bill has is that they are saying the state will lose over a million $ a year. The original intent was to give poor people a chance at a permit. That quickly went out the window. But it will still cost them less.

I would take a 680 series gun over the newer 690 series any day of the week. 687 is the nicer finished 680 offered these days. They made some design changes on the 690s that seem to have had problems. They changed to a selectable ejector/extractor that is known to have problems. In the 12g they removed one receiver screws and there have been reports of 692 sporting guns breaking off at the tang. But I am a 68X fan boy The SP designation really has to do with the finish level of the gun. Can be either field or comp gun. One of my favorite places to browse - www.joeletchenguns.com And of course - www.colegun.com

My experience has been that if a local shop has Spikes Tactical lowers in stock for $100 I just grab them. Not only am I supporting a local gun shop, it works out about the same money as an online order without the wait. Most transfers I’ve done were $15 or $20 plus background check. But those prices are hard to find nowadays. Here in my area anyway. If you get a lower that you’re not tickled with for $59 or $69 and then get charged shipping (some do, some don’t), then add $25-50 transfer fee, the it’s worth it to me to buy and walk out with a lower I like more. The flip side to that is you’re limited to what the store has in stock unless they will order something. Then you’re back to the wait time for shipping but won’t have the transfer fee on top of it. Hope that helps and makes sense.

Not my young ones.

Depending on the type of handgun I might have had to reallocate it to my collection, as the current owner certainly can't handle it. That being said, you cant just pick any gun up at a bar nowadays and put it in the safe without worry where its been, who its been with, and what it might pass on to your other guns.

This is how it looks today...