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It’s a dime a box. Doesn’t matter if it’s a 20 rd box or a case. It’s a dime that goes to the TWRA. It’s one of the least objectionable taxes in my book. If you stick around you’ll learn how big of a statement that is coming from me.

Update: Am keeping both of the .380s. Discussion here convinced me that 1) their resale value is minimal, 2) there are circumstances where either one is ultimately more concealable than anything else. BersaGuy also made a good argument for spreading them around the house ... which at the moment I'm not going to do as we have a 13 year old daughter who has friends over. Thanks to everyone for the conversation. BTW, my next purchase will likely be a Glock 26 Gen5.

Another reason to get out of Illinois.

Like many of our friends we are going to flee Illinois. Tennessee is high on our list as soon as Tennessee changes its income tax rules on investment and passive income which we understand is suppose to happen. We are seriously looking for land in Eastern Tennessee on which to build a home, but we may temporarily become South Dakota while waiting for the income tax laws to change. My wife and I are lifelong residents of Illinois with her grandfather coming from Sweden as a small boy and my family moving to Illinois in the 1820s in time to fight Indians. We will be leaving with reluctance and sadness, but Illinois has gone bright blue and there is the looming specter of bankruptcy. My wife taught school for 33 years and I have owned my own business since graduating from college and leaving federal law enforcement years ago. My wife and I both shoot trap regularly and she has a Illinois concealed carry permit. I carry under LEOSA. I used to hunt extensively including in Tennessee, but now mostly quail and pheasant and not regularly. I was a law enforcement firearms instructor many years ago, specializing in training deep cover agents which should be very different training than uniformed and plain clothes officers and agents receive. Some of my regularly used guns: Winchester 101 for trap Browning Citori for bird hunting Marlin 39D for small game hunting Ruger MK4 for small game handgun hunting (finally a gun that is easy to put back together) and plinking Ruger .44 magnum carbine for game Ruger .44 magnum Super Blackhawk Hunter cut back to a 5" barrel and other gunsmith work for handgun hunting Remington 1100 for Illinois deer and with quick modification for a house gun Springfield Armory XDs in .45ACP for daily carry there are others, but this gives you an idea of who I am... My wife has two guns of her own and uses some of mine for some things Syren shotgun for trap shooting Boberg 9mm for daily carry Life Member: NRA 2nd Amendment Foundation Illinois State Rife Association Guns Save Lives SASS CMSA (founding member) We are coming here to learn more about the shooting community in Tennessee.

I have mixed feelings on these types of laws. There is no doubt some people should simply not be allowed to have guns in their possession. There is also the potential for rampant abuse of one’s rights.

Oh, I’m sorry to hear this, Greg. I truly believe that God shows his love for us through the devotion our dogs show us. There’s no other creature on the planet that’s as capable of loving unconditionally like a dog.

I recall those dark days and the return of "Classic" Coke. "Classic" did not and does not taste like it did before this scam. I believe that is also about the time they quit using sugar and started with the high fructose corn syrup. There is a difference.

In 1985, as Coke saw some of its sales flip to the Pepsi camp, the company "reinvented" the original formula. They marketed it as the "New taste of Coke," and people hated it. Within months, Coke reversed back to the now-"Classic" formula and actually saw a rise in sales. It's kind of like when an actor says they're retiring or a celebrity says they're quitting Twitter, and their publicity skyrockets before they all of a sudden change their minds. The switcheroo may have given Coke a little bit of a boost, but it's historically seen as a cheap move.

The tax is the little stamp pasted on the box. When I sold off my late friends collection he had a ton of loose boxes from case purchases. The case had a stamp, but the individual boxes did not. Since the cases had been opened and part had been used, I would be selling individual boxes. A dealer friend informed me that if I took these to a gun show to sell, all it would take is one sharp eyed LEO to get the whole mess confiscated. All it took was a simple call to TWRA, my credit card and the tax stamps arrived in the mail a few days later. A sheet of 100 stamps for $10. No problem.

Mine looks similar, though they're on the side instead of the front.

Not if it is a state law. Replace president with governor.

Hi Chance, get on down here to Tennessee. We got here a few weeks ago from Streamwood ILLannoy, and absolutely love it. We live about 4 miles outside of Maryville. The TN tax on investment income will be 2% for tax year 2019, 1% for tax year 2020, and then gone. Would expense and hassle of moving to SD and then TN be worth it to avoid those low rates? You'll quickly see that the members on this forum are a MUCH happier group than our poor old buddies on the IC forum. Let us know how your plans progress. Happy to answer any questions you may have about the IL to TN transition. Every single surprise we've had has been a good one. Just sent my IL CCL and FOID card back to the IL State Police today. Sayonara! So glad to be out of the nuthouse they call Illinois (and Chicago.) Q

Do you really need night vision for this?

Another reason to cast your own boolits and reload.

Do what we do, look for deals and order it. As a matter of fact the UPS guy was cussin me pretty good this morning...

They do and they're tasty.

Coal Creek Armory....RIP I put all these stickers on my ammo boxes.

Mexican Cokes still use sugar. Or at least they did the last time I had one.

To go from acquiring my HCP, daily carry and practice to instructor led training. For me it was fear of the unknown and public embarrassment. 1. I'm not very good and better students or even the instructor will be amazed by my lack of skill. The not very good is offset by the very fact I'm participating in training. In my experience, the environment is always encouraging, and sometimes, even at my skill level, I can encourage newer shooters. 2. I have a proper belt and holster but don't have tacti-cool gear and accessories. This was less important to me as I have learned to tailor my gear to me and my dress, which is different than everyone else. It is nice to learn what gear others employ, may be better than what I got. 3. I don't shoot a "insert fanboy brand or brands here" What will my instructor or others think about my handgun choice. Who cares? Reliable, shootable, primary carry pistol - bring it. 4. I carry a fanboy pistol, but it's stock. No fancy trigger, RMR, grips, magwell, or bayonet (for you CZ guys, and I am looking for one) If it was a competition, this probably makes a difference, but this is training. My suggestion starting out is train with what you carry or your primary defense pistol. 5. I can't afford it. I paid over $100 to obtain my HCP. One day, no overnight travel classes available for less than $100 plus gas, ammo, and lunch. An hour at the range is $20 plus. If I reduce live practice and increase dry practice, it becomes easier to budget. 6. I don't have time Time is precious, especially with our 5 day week spread over 7 days. It's easy to say, "just do it," but taking a day requires giving up that time for something else.

I have been kicking around buying a little ammo but I would have to buy another ammo safe because I cannot get another 50 round box of 22lr's in my other one much less any 380's. I might get tempted if I find a sale on either 22lr's or 380's but it would really have to be on sale...............

Man that's really tuff. I have no other words except I'm sorry and have been in you shoes and realize it doesn't help.

Yes, but it isn’t enough to worry about and you don’t need a FOID card to buy it. Like anywhere else its higher in the stores than ordered online. Most places that won’t ship to Illinois will ship to Tennessee. I do most of my shooting in Illinois, but buy my ammo here. Even though I’m not required to have a FOID card in Illinois to purchase ammo, most places won’t sell without one because they don’t know the laws.

If you bring a literal truck load it may be a wash once you calculate in the expense and trouble of hauling it here. Unlike Illinois you do not have to be a resident or live in a state that borders it to purchase ammo.

yes

Just got on there and read requirements. I don't see how people could get approvals in 2 weeks, not with paper sending the finger print cards

Wow, that’s terrible. No details, so I’m just guessing here, but if he didn’t know for sure if the guy he was holding was armed or not; he couldn’t secure his weapon when cops arrived. It will come down to what the interaction was between the Officer and the victim. Guessing, based on the limited information given, and the fact the cop is in Cook County; I suspect there is a high probability the Officer will be charged. With attorneys suing businesses for not being able to stop an active shooter; more and more businesses will be hiring armed security. Making them not obvious to patrons or shooters, but identifiable to responding officers in an active shooter situation is going to require some planning/training or technology.

The 80’s was full of stupid ideas, this is a very good example of one.

https://wreg.com/2018/11/12/veteran-died-with-no-family-so-other-vets-showed-up-for-funeral/ NASHVILLE — The Tennessee community came together Friday to make sure an unclaimed veteran would not be forgotten, according to WTVF. Large crowds turned out on a rainy morning to pay their respects to Leo Stokley, of Murfreesboro, Tennessee. He died Sunday at the Waters of Cheatham in Ashland City. He was 69 years old. Stokley served in the United States Marine Corps and did a tour of duty in Vietnam. After his passing, he had no family to attend his funeral. That’s when the community stepped in to make sure he wouldn’t be buried alone. Hundreds of veterans and their friends and family showed up to show respect for Stokley. The push for help started among veterans groups on social media and was quickly shared during the week before the funeral. “It’s very heartwarming to see this many veterans and friends of veterans that show up here on a cold, rainy day, a weekday, to send him off in style. I’m proud for that. I’m proud for these guys that did that.” said Bob Counter, an Air Force veteran. He was laid to rest at the Middle Tennessee Veterans Cemetery in Nashville.

Well we got rained out this morning. Neither of us wanted to get soaked and then ride home 4 hours. Got breakfast and saw 5 deer on the shoulder grazing before we got 2 miles down the road. Oh well. Had fun with Dad and don't have to butcher anything I guess. YANAHLI was all grown up since Dad was there 2 years ago. Looked like no one had bushhogged and it was 6 foot tall. Tough to get across the field and no way to hunt it. Even a tree stand would have not helped. In years past he has hunted the edge of the fields and done pretty well.

I would agree completely with this assessment. The only thing that I would add is that with the election of Donald Trump, the GOP has done the same thing with only a different face on it. Both parties have become about one thing and one thing only, raw naked power.

My wife said it best the other day, when she and I were discussing this: The Left has abandoned anything near-centrist. They have stopped trying to hide the evil methods bu which they have been trying to sneak evil agendas into fruition over the past six-decades (give or take) and are now just putting it all out in the open. They can finally do that because society's morals and ethics are no longer moral or ethical and are now based entirely on self-gain, self-promotion, and all other manner of self-centric ideals and objectives. The greater good is no longer esteemed.

Well this discussion could go on for ever so I am just going to say, if you are comfortable with what your packing and have done all you can do as far as knowing you can hit what you are shootng at that is what really counts IMO

Selling the .380 short? C'mon, I've seen James Bond shoot guys at 100 yards with his PPK ... while skiing down a mountain.

I don’ t understand the difference between a gun used to “get the bad guy off me” and a gun used to neutralize a threat, but these are apparently two different things.

I have a variety of carry pistols in both small and large sizes. While I prefer the duty sized handguns in .45ACP or 9mm, th weight and size has begun to bother me some as I age, lol. I like my Shield in 9mm IWB, but now that I've got Sig P-365s, I like the increased capacity. Thats become my IWB daily carry, but I still carry my .380 Bodyguard in my pocket as a backup and also alone when I cant get away with the P-365 IWB.

Welcome. Yep he is lucky to have you thinking of him this way. I agree though, guns are individual. I have bought a few I just don't shoot because I am not good with them or don't like them. How about buy him a toy pistol and in the box put the "Exchange for a real one" certificate. A gift certificate would lock him into one place and that might not be the best deal on the gun he likes. It pays to shop around when you pick one. Of course I am terribly "frugal" or just plain cheap depending on how you look at it.

Lucky Husband anyway!

This is the same thing we’d suggest if your husband joined looking for a gun for you.

Just to let you know what will be involved in your decision: Revolver ? (single action or double action). Semiautomatic ? (single action, double/single or double action only) (striker fired or hammer fired). Then you have to decide on the caliber and there are numerous ones (380, 38, 9mm, 40cal., 45) and several more that I didn't list. Next, you have to choose a manufacturer, again there are many of them. As far as being ripped off. Big stores like Basspro and Academy are often over priced and the smaller gun stores will try to sell you what they have in stock. I know it will ruin the surprise but your husband really needs to be the one to pick it out or do as greg mentioned and see about a gift certificate. BTW, I wish my wife wanted to buy me one

First, welcome to the group. What you're asking is like trying to pick out clothes for a teenage girl. The best bet is to let him pick it out.

How 'bout a gift certificate to a local gun store? That way he can pick out what he wants. Welcome to the forum!

Can y'all image what would happen if Turnbull got their hands on one of these? Think something like this:

He was acting sort of odd yesterday and stayed out in the rain most of the day. Last night, he came in and laid his head in my wife's lap for a while. Then he went back out and we haven't seen him since. I guess he knew it was time and went off and died. This is one dog we will sorely miss.