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I suppose I fall into the camp that recognizes the place to fight officers is the courtroom, not on the streets. You make your absolute best attempt to follow the orders of an officer. Generally, it is always a bad idea to run away from the police while holding a gun. It doesn't matter if it is a "good stop" or a "bad stop", you just do what they say. If they were wrong for pulling you over and arresting you, prove that in the courtroom. Running away from them, while brandishing a firearm, has zero positive outcomes. That's my opinion.

Just got word I’ll be working tomorrow for half day. Sucks but hey, it is what it is. Definitely heading out as soon as I get off though. Gonna be awesome weather! Good luck to y’all going in the morning. I’ve watched deer moving all morning in Smyrna and Murfreesboro. They like this cool air and now that the rain has paused they’re moving good.

I think he was a felon, so constitutional carry would not apply, unless they had restored his rights. https://fox17.com/news/local/man-shot-killed-by-metro-police-has-lengthy-criminal-history While the stop may have been a mistake, the shooting could have been avoided had he dropped his weapon. Many people get pulled over due to mistaken identity or because they are in a similar vehicle on a BOLO. But even then, once pulled over they can be charged if there is any probable cause, such as an odor of marijuana or alcohol, in which case the reason for the original stop becomes a moot point.

Attended a seminar earlier this week, presented by KCSO for financial institutions. Well done as some facts were presented coupled with more practical stuff for anyone in a shooting situation. These are some of my takeaways. 2016 stat: 20 active shooter events, avg 4 killed, 9ish wounded. Way too many, but practically speaking, a robbery is more likely. For me, my comfort level increased as engaging a whacko with a long gun is low. Most of time, pistol distance. The audience thought it was higher, thanks to the media coverage. Active shooter events over in 3-5 minutes, LEO response 5-7 minutes New trend is the active shooters are either surrendering or more disturbingly trying to escape. In the US, a mass killing is more than 3. Helps for headlines for any act of physical violence. Pay attention; the presenter specifically called out mobile device immersion. Gives any BG time to close distance, deploy a weapon, etc. Make eye contact, if it seems hard for the BG to approach inconspicuously, he may go next door or home. Don't profile, but look for predatory behavior, is the person, who got your Spidey senses tingling, exhibiting signs of pouncing like a lion at the watering hole? For guys more familiar with hand to hand combat forms, what body language is announced when folks get ready to fight? Keep an eye out for loiterers in odd places, is it normal for anyone to hang out in this place / at this time. Know your exits and get out of Dodge. In an active shooter, if you are armed, anticipate a long gun and decide accordingly. Evade and Escape. Responding LE do not know you are a sheepdog. They want to see EVERYBODY'S empty hands, act accordingly. Played the video Run, Hide, Fight. I prefer Avoid, Deny, Defend. Bottom line, you have a right to defend yourself

Call and conplain. If need be get them to set you up one of their modems as a test. Cheap to rent a couple months to prove to them. With Comcast, you have to prove THEY are the issue before you get real help. It sucks.

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Without weighing in on if this officer was right or wrong...in a country where being armed is (supposed to) be a protected right, think about the downstream consequences of assuming a weapon is gives police the automatic authority to assume a "significant threat" as that term is viewed by a police officer.

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Yes. Had to be. I imagine that the bolts in the two secondary rifles are rigged up to slam-fire somehow. So the gas from each rifle cycles and fires the next gun creating a three shot burst.

Cooler weather is giving me the itch. May have to get out one of these mornings. Sitting in the woods will be heaven compared to the news and air conditioning.

I think it's due to all the media attention and BLM movement instead of the actual facts of the case.

I was just reading that. It was a BS stop. They had the wrong guy and no reason to even interact with him. I'm guessing he was not legally armed which is why he ran. I suppose one could argue that if we had constitutional carry, he wouldn't need to. It's a crappy situation all around but I still think he shouldn't have run with the gun in his hand. That was a grave mistake.

This shooting has been getting a lot of attention in Nashville - especially after the Jocques Clemmons shooting the year before. The particulars of this case seem to stem from how they stopped the car in the first place. Grand juries almost never indict an officer - so that in and of itself makes this significant.

I would have a difficult time, if on a jury, convicting the officer based on the facts I have read up until this point. I was merely arguing the point that @Omega argues that TN vs. Garner does not apply here. I think it does.

Because the alternative outcome to this COULD have been that the cops let the guy get away, and then later he robbed and murdered the officer's Uncle Ben. Or whomever.

Yes, that's why I posted it.

It may not mean much to you, Erik, but legally I believe it holds great weight. Hambrick did have a gun and he did run from the police, but as far as I can tell, he never raised it or acted in a threatening manner with it. He was also not directly suspected of having done something illegal with it like having just committed robbery. I think this case will hinge on the fact that Hambrick never threatened the officer or others and was only attempting to flee.

Really? the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

That does not apply here IMO, he was not shot due to fleeing, he was shot because he did not drop his weapon when told to and presented a clear and present danger to the officer and society at large.

I've been seeing a lot of movement. The rain and cooler temperatures are getting them up and moving.

Someone just needs to buy that building in Piney and open back up

No, just resourceful. A snowflake would just fine and want somebody else to spell it for them.

Which in term made me think of this: http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

Same person clearly did both.

I personally don’t see the point of buying a “factory made” AR when you can get closer to what you want by putting one together, usually much cheaper. Accuracy and reliability-wise I’d put one of my $500 Palmetto State creations up against any four digit dollar rifles.

I thought we had a thread on this but I didn't see anything when I searched. Feel free to merge if someone finds it. I don't understand this one. I thought the video made it look like a justified use of force. The fact that he was running away doesn't mean much to me as it only takes a fraction of a second to turn around and shoot the officer. I wonder if they know something that hasn't been released. Thoughts? "A Nashville police officer caught on video shooting a man in the back as he ran away has been charged with criminal homicide. Officer Andrew Delke was charged Thursday in connection with the July 26 shooting death of Daniel Hambrick, 25, according to an arrest warrant obtained by CNN. Delke's attorney said he plans to plead not guilty. Surveillance footage released last month by the Nashville District Attorney's Office shows Delke, 25, who is white, chasing Hambrick, who is black, until the officer aims his gun. Hambrick falls to the ground within seconds. Delke said he saw Hambrick holding a gun and asked him to drop it as both men were running, the warrant states, adding that Delke said Hambrick did not drop his weapon. Authorities recovered a handgun from the scene, they have said." https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/28/us/daniel-hambrick-nashville-police-shooting/index.html

Today I lost my best friend of 13 years. It is surreal coming home and not having him greet you and follow you everywhere you go. Always trying to sneak food. And then having him pass away in your arms hearing how much I love him. I hoped this day would never come. And it came way too soon. I will always miss you Mario.

A video of the Siamese version.

I guess the next question would be...Can it Mozambique with one trigger pull?

Just a tumbler grab. Right above this pic....

The MSRP on this knife was $9k

Are you talking about the "rifle" or the tile job?