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While researching for a post on another forum, I ran across this site and it brought back some memories. Mousegunner was a member here and use to post a lot about pocket pistols and other firearms. I had forgotten he had started a web page with his thoughts and opinions on pocket pistols and other firearms. Someone else took it over after his death in the Summer of 2011 (with the permission of his family, I am assuming)and it's still available and has been updated with guest reviews. I saved it to my tool bar. You all might want to do the same. http://www.mouseguns.com/index.htm

Over the years I have gone back and forth with the 1911 platform. Roger,Colt,S&W, Ed Brown, Les Baer, and for one reason or another ended up letting them go. I have since replaced ALL of them with Dan Wesson’s. My very favorite being the “Wraith”, a BEAUTIFUL example of the perfect 1911 for ME! It may not be for everyone but I have found “the one”! It effortlessly shoots perfect!! https://imgur.com/a/2v4BMwr https://imgur.com/a/dHEmNur https://imgur.com/a/AlNFOZa The grips on this pistola are the most functional I’ve ever used, 200 rds and my hands were great, although if you have girly tender paws, not for you then

Glad things worked out for you on the Taurus Pro. I got good service from "Taurus" customer service a few years back on a Taurus PT-22 flip barrel .22LR pocket gun. In fact, I got excellent service with a quick turn around and Taurus provided shipping labels. I bragged to my friends about it and highly recommended Taurus to them, for giving me the royal treatment on such an inexpensive little gun. I even lost some magazine release parts, while shooting it in the woods, and they sent me the parts right away.... no problems. But, I feel like I've been really given the middle finger by "Rossi". I understand Taurus and Rossi are the same company these days. Still no word that my buttstock has shipped. Any bets from anyone, that they'll still be giving me flimsy excuses about the shipping this time next week?

No I didn't ever get down that way. I've been working just about every single day. I do need to call sometime and get some info. Thanks.

2011? My how time flies. I'm glad the website is still up and running.

I remember him. Good guy.

Thank you. I had forgotten about that site.

I like the "Raging Hornet" and their value seems to be increasing pretty well. Sorry you had the problems with your Tracker, but the dealer obviously treated you like a customer should be treated and made it right by replacing it with a new gun. To be fair about Rossi, Tammy at Rossi, did offer me a new gun... if I would send them mine "FIRST". After the lies and run-a-round they had given me for over two years, I just didn't trust them. I told them if they would send me a replacement "first" that I'd return mine in the original box. I offered then two or three options to make it right. On the option I just mentioned, I offered to give them my credit card number and information as collateral, until they got my old gun back. At that time, Wal-Mart was carrying the Circuit Judge. So, I asked if they would send the replacement gun to Wal-Mart and let me make the exchange there. I also asked if there were any local dealers that we could work through...I even offered to pay the FFL fees and background fees. I consulted friends about maybe I should just go ahead and send them my gun, but my friends said "no way"... you may never get it back. When I asked them if they even had a gun in stock to replace mine, they were vague with their answer. They told me they would have to run my gun through an inspection to make their determination. They were holding all of the cards and knew it. I was afraid to trust them then... and almost three years of broken promises and lies, I don't trust them now. Just imagine any company that calls you and tells you that they have your stock and will be shipping it to you on June 25th and now it's July 5th and they haven't even shipped it yet! There you go folks ( for anyone reading this post), that's Rossi Customer Service for you. Any doubts about the validity of these circumstances, feel free to call Rossi Customer Service at 1-800-948-8029, of their customer service representative Tammy at 1-305-624-1115.

I highly recommend http://castboolits.gunloads.com/ for someone even thinking about casting. There's a lot more to it than melting lead and pouring it in a mold. They have enough stickies over there to keep you reading for a month.

I have parted with one gun in recent memory. It was an 870 Special Field. I had zero use for a purpose built gun. I was worried that had a kept it that it would wind up bubbaed. I let someone else take and used the proceeds to by my Heathen a .22LR target gun, which will cost much more after it is bedded in a custom stock. But it is a small investment to pay for college.

Oh yeah, I think we've all had to go through the "gotta sell one to buy one" period. Thankfully, I've gotten well past that now. These days I need a valid reason to sell or trade a gun. More often than not its a matter of I bought something that just didn't work out for me or occasionally I'll trade into something I just didn't like. Once in a while, I may sell or trade one just because I don't ever use it. But mostly those just rest in the safe waiting for my sons to do whatever they will with them after I'm gone. Some of you may recall that a few months ago my truck needed some major repairs. I ended up selling six guns to cover the cost. Most of them fell into the I never use it category. But I'm gonna tell ya, it still hurt to sell those.

Glad my wife doesn't poke her head in here often. She learned to drive using her oldest brother's scout and every now and then mentions that she would love for me to get one and restore it. Not only do I not have time for that I scratched that itch on multiple projects in my younger years. I still enjoy doing maintenance on our vehicles but I've had more than my fill of walking in to the shop and and looking at a vehicle that is in multiple storage crates...

I can almost hear the conversation those two sailors are having

I got nuthin' :smh:

He didn't even have a scar?

I made good money years ago buying, selling, and trading. Today I mostly buy and keep. The internet has made trading for profit more difficult.

Here is one for the 4th of July. 1945 - Group of U.S. Army nurses sunbathe beside a 40mm anti-aircraft gun

Won't do you any good now. The guy got his head lopped off

This is easily the best post that I’ve read on TGO. Being in my fifties, not a lot matters to me besides keeping my wife happy and attempting to maintain a stress free and peaceful mind. As for diversity, I realize that it’s difficult to change the mindset of older people unless they have deathbed conversions. It is what it is. What I’ve seen and love from the youth over my 31 years of being a parent is that they are trying to break the mold. They are trying to be inclusive. They are trying to be the melting pot that we claim America to be. The efforts of the youth aren’t perfect, but their efforts are better than the examples that my generation, and those older than me have set for them. I’ll give an example. My wife and I were fortunate enough, although at great sacrifice to be able to send our kids to the best private schools in Memphis. They were in safe Christian environments, and got superior educations. My kids were always a part of a very small handful of minorities. I watched as my son and two daughters had a diverse group of friends in lower and middle school. In high school, my daughters group of friends increased while my son’s group decreased. This is not to point fingers at anyone or make accusations, but the kids that my son had been around his entire life started to make racial slurs and distance themselves from my son. It seems to them, my son was no different than the riff raff that they heard about everyday at home or on the evening news. Though all the adversity, my son became an all star football player and a academic super star. The following opinion is based upon a small sample size, but based upon my life experiences, and those of other black men that I know. Our lives are a daily stress filled existence that leads to health problems and early death. Several members have given excellent examples of what it fills like to not feel welcomed in in gun stores and other situations. My favorite story was about the family outing to Chipotle. The feeling that the member had that day is the feeling that I have everyday. I don’t walk through life feeling like a victim, but I go out of my way to not be perceived as a threat or stereotyped. Everyday I’m conscious of my dress, my speech and my body language, and many times that still doesn’t exempt me from being treated poorly. I don’t whine about it. I just put on thicker skin and drive on, because I have young men watching me and I want them to navigate this life with the same strength, confidence and dignity. Finally, I’ve been a long time member of the NRA. I briefly gave up my membership when they labeled the ATF jackbooted thugs. As a government employee I didn’t think it was a good look. I carry my NRA membership card in my wallet daily, and I read The American Rifleman magazine that comes with my membership. That being said, I never feel like I’m the demographic that the NRA caters to. I view the NRA in the same way that I view labor unions. They are both necessary evils. The fundraising scare tactics are ridiculous, and get worse every election cycle. The one positive thing I can say about the NRA is that based upon the paranoia that I witness from many gun owners, they are getting their message across to those people they are trying to reach.

This is a large part of an "an issue". Not "the" issue or "this issue" even, but "an issue". I'm 27, I don't know which generation that does or does not make me. I don't really care. I'm not defined by whatever that generation is, but I've been told by numerous people that I'm an "exception" to whatever "my generation" is. Ok, cool I guess, I just wanted to be successful so I've tried to do so over the years. However, know what? It isn't all my doing, in fact it wouldn't be fair in my opinion to say any of it is my doing. I was blessed being born in this country. In the "lottery of life", I could have been born to any third world country without electricity and running water; I doubt I'd be where I were today if that was the case. I'm not attempting to bring gender or race into this reply, but I will admit that being a white male has likely given me a lot of opportunities as well. Having two parents that are still married helped me out a lot as well. Having parents that were able to purchase a vehicle when I was 16 helped me out a lot. Heck, even learning how to drive helped me out a lot because apparently I've met a several people over the past couple of years that are my age but cannot drive and do not/have not had a driver's license. Their fault? To some extent. But if you were to consider their upbringing and situations, then I think you'd be able to dismiss at least some of it as not being their fault. Try to get a quality job (even with a college degree, as one of their cases) without a drivers license around here. Sometimes. I still consider myself "younger" at 27 (and am trying to hold on to that feeling for at least another 10 years). A lot of people I've met are indeed blind to many of these differences, but one thing I've noticed is that a seemingly large proportion of these people that are "open-minded" are only "open-minded" to people that agree with them perfectly. As an example, an extremely "open-minded" or "blind to differences" person may be 100% ugly towards a gun owner. Or, I will tread very carefully with the following but how often is it seen "extremely open minded people" that are in support of topics such as homosexual marriage but they lash out towards anyone that doesn't fully support their ideas and call these people bigots, etc? In my opinion, being open minded isn't a bad thing per se, but it goes beyond being accepting of the "hot topics" such as and not limited to: lgbt, race, religion, gender, etc. Being "open minded" means also accepting the people that may not agree with you on those issues as well. If someone's actions are filled with hate, then I understand not accepting them/their viewpoint. But if the sole issue is that someone isn't "as accepting" as you, don't hate that person just because they don't agree with you. I won't get into specifics, but over the years we've seen many, many posts and threads that are rather quite anti-gay, pro white, anti-muslim, etc and etc. We don't "need to know" any of those details about a specific member; if any of the members of any of those groups were to join TGO today and find many posts that were "against" them, I don't think it matters whether or not we know those details or not. That person is not going to feel included in our community. That is also why it is extremely important that the staff here at TGO shut threads like that down ASAP and try to prevent them going in that direction in the first place. Myself, living in eastern TN (Bradley County) with the neighboring Polk County, I will try very much to be extremely tactful in what I'm about to say. Wikipedia shows that Bradley County is 92.98% white. I'll let you do the math for the other people in Bradley County. As such, going to school I was generally limited in my exposure to other ethnicities, period. Once you consider the percentages of white people in our county, I suspect it is decently easy to extrapolate from that data the percentages of difference races at my employer. I myself attempt very much not to have prejudices against any kind against groups of people, but it is not as easy as simply trying. Due to the general environment and my upbringing, I'll admit that I have certain "biases". It is difficult to rid oneself of such biases. I think that the majority of people have certain biases, whether it be regarding race, religion, etc. I say all of this to say (in response to your question). Yes, I've been somewhere I felt that I didn't belong. My Wife and I were flying out of Atlanta, we know almost nothing about Atlanta. As such, we stopped at some Chipotle. As tactful as possible, I will simply say that out of a room of roughly 50 people, my Wife and I were the only white people there. Period. I can honestly say I think this was the first time in my life I had ever experienced something such as that. I firmly believe that some people would have turned around and left. I tried to use it as a learning experience. I wondered if the way I felt at that moment was what it was like to be any of the "other" races in my home county (oftentimes being the only non-white person in any group setting). We ordered and ate, and ultimately had a good time. Most people were friendly and not a single "bad experience", but the feeling was one as if we didn't belong. We don't want new members to either TGO or the firearm community as a whole to feel that way. Some people here at TGO get that, many do not I fear. To those completely clueless as to what this entire thread is "about", consider the following, all of which are just made up in my head by me. A homosexual person showing up into a gun-store for their first time, and then being bombarded with a poster on the wall stating "Marriage = 1 Man + 1 Woman" and overhearing the employees talk about "them faggots". Perhaps that person is there to purchase a firearm to protect their loved ones, knows nothing about firearms, and ultimately leaves because they didn't feel they were welcome. Any female that agrees to go to the range with one of their gun-guy guy friends and is in any way belittled over "being a woman" and any of the stereotypes that are typical when it comes to women and firearms. A Muslim whom shows up to take his (or her) class to get an HCP but is shown extreme prejudice during the class from the other students. How likely is it that any of these people dissociate from the firearm community as a whole? There are many people in the firearm community, many of you know someone like this and I fear that some of or members here may themselves be very close to this mindset, that simply do not care if other "groups" of people make their way into the firearm community and are accepted. Well, that is simply hurting the firearm industry as a whole. As a completely different topic, one thing I've been doing over the previous few months is reading articles on "The Root", which describes itself as "Black news, opinions, politics and culture". It has a very liberal bias. I do not agree with many of the articles. However, what is allows me to do is read directly from the source what the "other side" is thinking and feeling. I cannot discredit their thoughts and feelings. It allows me to consider things from their perspective. I have really enjoyed doing so, simply for the reasons stated above. https://www.theroot.com/

I removed the ballast units from two 4-foot dual tube fixtures in our master closet and used LED tubes in them. Works perfectly. ZERO problems. Essentially the same thing as buying LED fixtures since all you're using the existing structure for is to get 110VAC to the LED tubes, and to hold the diffusers in place. These are what I used: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SSNPGSC/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

That reminds me of when I was working a summer job at my buddy's "Island Times" convenience store. There I was, minding my own business, probably doing something mundane like cleaning my fingernails or something. This guy comes in, clearly having had a few too many beers on his charter boat. He kept mumbling something about "bread" and flashing 2 dollars to everyone in the store. I figured he wanted to know where the bread was so I walked him to the bread rack. Crazy drunk pulled a gun on me! True story.

There have not been any times that I have not felt welcome on TGO in ten years. The biggest problem I have with many of our members is that many behave as if all minority groups are monolithic. It can be bothersome when you’ve always tried to do the right thing while abiding the law. Being from Memphis, even my kids would be bothered by people telling them how well spoken, polite and behaved they were, as if they were abnormal. I really enjoy TGO. Some have wondered why I’ve hung around this long. It’s because David has the best forum on the Internet. Mac gives well thought out and reasoned opinions, and the members that I have had personal interactions with were all great, and we always spent lots of time just being human, and enjoying one another’s company. Finally, I believe that there have been members who joined because they believed they could be bigots, stereotype people and generally cause trouble, but the moderators have done an excellent job of eventually culling them from the heard.

Well, he was an MP.

I'm going to offer a few thoughts for perspective. Have you ever been somewhere where you just felt like you didn't belong? Maybe there was nothing obvious. Likely nothing was said. But, you just felt like you didn't fit in. Many of us have never had that experience - or would need to really stretch our thinking to do it. Looking for a church is a perhaps a good analogy. If you've ever left home and felt compelled to find a church in a new town - it can be daunting. I recently had a family member move to Murfreesboro. For a couple of years they tried probably a dozen churches. They were at one of the bigger ones for about 6 months because their kids went to school with a lot of the kids at that church. They really put in the work, but still ended up leaving. When I was talking to my family member about it, she said, "there are some really great people there - but after 6 months I've got people still introducing themselves like I'm a visitor multiple times - and I don't really know that we're wealthy enough to afford to be able to go to church here." There's a lot in that statement that breaks my heart - but there's a lot of truth, too. There's nothing obviously wrong with that church - they're serving a lot of people - but maybe there's more that they could be doing. -- When it comes to the 2A community - maybe more than one thing can be true at the same time. I'm going to explore that a little bit in this post. 1. The NRA as it exists today is doing just fine - Its membership is as large as it's ever been. It raises more money than it ever has. It has a string of legislative and judicial wins at the local, state, and federal level. As an organization, it is feared by it's opponents, and may be the most effective lobbying group that's ever been. When many of us go to the conventions - we see a floor packed with guns and gear. We hear people speak that are talking about things that we care about. It's probably the furthest thing from most of our minds that most everyone there looks like us. And, that's fine on the surface. The NRA is doing great. Why change something that is doing fine? If people don't feel welcome, that's their problem, not mine. I'm welcoming and affirming and tired of people telling me that I'm the problem. All of the above can be true, and this likely is pretty accurate for most of us. But, something else can be true, too. 2. The NRA as it exists today isn't going to be enough to see us through the fight that is coming - The conditions on the ground are changing. I'm convinced that we're going to see gun regulation be a more dominant force in our political arena in the next few years than it's ever been. Opponents are mobilized, growing, and increasingly well funded. The NRA (as a proxy for all of us) is not ready for this coming fight. We need as many allies as we can get - and what's worked so far - being a culture that's predominantly included white, middle class, generally "conservative" males - isn't going to get us where we need to go. We're going to need a bigger team. -- I think a lot of us read stuff about diversity and inclusion - and we're made to feel like we're somehow the problem. We're tired of being made out to be the problem. I'd love to redirect our focus a bit. We all view things through a lens of our experience. We can't change that. But, occasionally something comes along to put a scratch on that lens and make us think. Let's go back to that church hunting analogy a bit. Many of you who've gone through this process would likely echo feeling something like this. My family member did wind up at a church where they're happy and engaged. When talking to her about it, she mentioned that the first Sunday that they were there people went out of their way to make them feel included. People didn't just introduce themselves, the pastoral staff met them and learned about them. Other kids introduced themselves and showed their kids where to go. People invited them to lunch after church. They made sure they knew about small groups. All of this could seem overwhelming - unless you're looking for a community to get engaged in. Then, you see it through a perspective of people going out of their way to make you feel welcome. That church was fine before this family got there - but when they showed up they went out of their way to make them feel welcome. And now, they're all better for it. If I were to extend that out to the NRA (again as a proxy for all of us) what does that look like? Let's say I'm a young Hispanic man here in Nashville, or a single black mother in Memphis who has bought a gun to defend her family, or maybe I'm a dad in government housing who can here gunshots weekly from my stoop as my kids play in the yard. Let's say I've joined the NRA to learn more about guns because that wasn't a part of my upbringing. I get a copy of American Rifleman or American Hunter in the mail every month. How do those publications speak to me? What would those publications look like if they included stuff that was important to the non-white, non-suburban, non middle class male reader? Off the top of my head: Let's talk Philando Castile - here was a young (black) man who did everything you're supposed to do as a permit holder when engaging with law enforcement. He notified them of his permit, was respectful, and didn't go anywhere near his gun - and still wound up shot. That's terrifying - and the NRA was silent on it. Let's talk firearm security when a $1000 safe may not be an option Let's talk firearm safety and handling in an environment where people aren't going to look at you crossways just because you're there Let's talk cultural issues where your family and your community may look at you crossways because the only people they know with guns are thugs Let's really open up some channels with law enforcement, and be an advocate, and have some hard conversations about interactions with our members who are terrified that they're going to get shot for something stupid. A lot of things can be true at the same time in life. As I look at our community of gun owners at large right now - we're as strong as we've ever been. But, that likely isn't strong enough to get us where we need to go next. America is getting browner. That is something that many of us welcome and celebrate. The 2A community of the future can't look like the one of today if we're going to remain as strong in future generations as we have in this past generation. Maybe the point of this thread isn't necessarily to call us out on doing something wrong - rather it's to start a conversation about how we can be more welcoming - even if at times we go out of our way to do it. How much stronger would the 2A community be if it were in fact a leader when it comes to inclusion? That's the thing. Leaders don't just show up one day with a group that is like, "yeah, I guess we'll follow you." No. Leaders create a space that people want to be involved in - and know that in doing so everyone is better.

Or a flare gun.

I didn't come away with the same impression that they were too hard on the NRA. Actually, I think a little tough love is healthy. Tiffany and Aqil shared how they are meeting new people that are interested in shooting but those same people want nothing to do with the NRA. Now maybe that aversion is deserved and maybe it isn't, but at minimum the NRA might want to reflect on what's causing that. The NRA does a lot of positive things that often get ignored. I think they could do a better job of promoting those things instead of putting people on screen that seem so angry. Their ability to drum up fear obviously leads to increased donations but I'm not sure it really helps our cause overall. Colion is a great addition but even he can come across a bit aggressive. The same could be said with Dana. Now, her message might resonate with us, but I doubt she's going to bring many new comers into the mix.

I hear what you all are saying about the focus on the NRA in this particular episode. I agree that maybe we could have moved on to other things, but these podcasts aren't exactly scripted. It's like any other conversation between friends: You might sit down with a group and talk about a thing. You might talk about that thing from one perspective, and then another. You and your friends might talk about it from different angles and make the same points several times over, but in different ways. You do this because people tend to try to conceptualize, rationalize and explain things to ourselves and to others. We're both students and teachers, simultaneously, and this multi-angled approach of informing and learning is the method that we go through to make sure that we're not being lazy about our thoughts. To some folks, it feels maybe like beating a dead horse. That's probably why college English Composition professors and good high-school teachers tell us to write rough drafts, distill our thoughts down into something concise, and then write our papers. Podcasts, unless highly scripted, aren't often like that. You get to see the whole process play out. It's like sitting at the Chef's Table at a restaurant. You're going to see the sausage get made before you ever see it cooked on the stove. I guarantee you that Tiffany and Aqil's message isn't singular, nor is it all about the NRA. That's why I am glad to keep the door open for them to come back and continue the conversation with us. There's a LOT to consider when we start talking about diversity and inclusion. We didn't even scratch the surface.

I listened to the podcast and I agree with Omega. I'm an NRA member but I don't really live and breath all of it. I don't wear 2A clothing, no bumper stickers, and I couldn't care less about Ted Nugent. I'm just not really the activist or advocate type, I mainly just keep to myself. I can barely get enthused enough in the NRA to send them a membership payment. I felt a little like it was preaching to the choir regarding the fringe element. I don't run in those circles so I can't really change what they do and how it makes us look. TGO is already very welcoming but I'm sure we will strive to always keep that bar high. I did get a little context by listening to the podcast but just a little. I totally agree with diversity and inclusion of everyone but I'm still lost on why the demographics don't make sense. If you do a study of the demographics of people that buy F250 diesel 4x4 pickups you will probably find it is slanted toward a certain demographic, but I don't think it's because the Ford dealer is not welcoming to everyone or their marketing is not sound it's just not everyone wants to drive a diesel 4x4 pickup, or can afford to. Shooting and firearms are kind of an expensive hobby in case you haven't noticed and also not everyone is into it no matter how you market it. I don't have any statistics to back this up but I would say that sites like Pirate4x4, PowerStrokeNation, AR15.com and TGO would all have have close to the same demographic statistics, or at least in the ballpark. Probably for the same reason I hear ads about knee replacements on the radio station I listen to sometimes, the demographics of the radio station support marketing to aging people who have knee problems. They wouldn't probably run that same ad on a station that played music for the younger crowd. Disclaimer: I'm no marketing or demographics expert by any means. I totally agree with trying to bring more people into the fold, certainly we need those votes on our side. I think that along with most things it starts at home, my kids are grown but both my son and daughter own multiple firearms and have been actively involved with handling and shooting firearms since they were young and they will vote accordingly.

Finger group I think his it pretty much dead center. I also got a heavy sense of NRA bashing. That aside some of the points are great. But s little on the virtue signalling side of debate. It comes across as almost creating yet another group that is offended by things that are really overblown. Oh well, it hurts nothing and does point out some items that need looking at occasionally. Problem is there are so many podcasts these days it is hard to really get through the noise to the truly good ones. And when we do find one we like we need to keep in mind that listening to others occasionally is a good idea. In this case it is not over the top and does have a underlying message most need to hear. If it just got to that message without some of the very same boxing and labeling it is pushing against. And I still agree that Uncle Ted needs to stay away from cameras and microphones. Very close to a great message, keep working it, most shooters might not like it in the beginning but I think most will come around.

If any of y’all haven’t taken the time to listen to this excellent episode of the podcast, I’m bumping this thread up to highly encourage you to do so. When you do so, set aside your defenses and listen with an open mind. Sometimes when we hear a criticism of something or someone we like, we can throw up our mental walls and not really hear what the other person is saying. In this podcast Tiffany and Aqil gave us the opportunity to understand that while some of the NRA’s messaging may be speaking to us, it may not be speaking to the best parts of us. In addition, what it might be telling folks who come from a different background is that they’re not welcome. If you don’t think that’s not the message being sent, I implore you to pay special attention to the part of the discussion where the discussion turns to the Dana Loesch “clenched fist” ad. Don’t listen with a mind to develop a rebuttal, but a mind to put yourself in the shoes of another and see things from their perspective. See that it isn’t an attack. See that this is an opportunity. Its an opportunity to ask those who are already here despite being told they aren’t welcome how we can tailor our message to bring more folks into the fold. It’s an opportunity to learn how to walk the walk of the 2A is for everybody instead of just saying it while our firmly keeping a dog whistle in our clenched fist.

Good grief, you could have planted an acorn, harvested the tree, and whittled out a new stock by now.