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I work in some pretty high security places, the kind of places dudes with machineguns patrol around in body armor. The likelihood of anything going down in these places is almost zero, but if it does it's gonna be full-on combat. It takes a tremendous amount of expense and time in training to keep these guys primed, just like a lot of cops in quiet suburban districts. Fighting (especially gunfighting) is a perishable skill, so you have to replace actual action with tons of training to keep the edge sharp. There are like 130K public schools in the US (up to 12th grade). So, if we're going to put just one cop in charge of a whole entire school we need a force of 130K highly trained dudes, ready at any moment to stand alone between hundreds or thousands of students and a murderous bastard who has the advantage of planning and timing, but do nothing else 99-100% of the time (except possibly mundane SRO stuff which only distracts from the primary mission). If we do go down this road, be prepared for the National School Defense Administration which will create yet another giant bureaucratic federal police force to put armed federal agents in every school, federal agents who are not from the area, owe more allegiance to the federal govt. than to the kids they protect and can never get fired even if they hide in the toilet when the bad thing happens. The immediate fix IMHO is to arm the school staff (or allow those that want to be to be armed). Give them a training budget, get them involved with the local PD to work on tactics, communication, first aid. The point is not to create a security force out of the school staff, but to have people there who know anything at all about what to do and have some means of doing it. If you go on a cruise there are lifeboats and evac drills, they are not intending to give you the required training to navigate a raft safely from the middle of the ocean to land in a tuxedo, but to give you a fighting chance if the unthinkable happens. Most mass shootings end immediately when the shooter is met with force. So even a few poorly aimed shots across this guys bow might have ended it, not necessarily a full on tactical response. But the long term fix is to fix our society and restore the remnants of the culture we have spent the last 50 years tearing down.

So I was walking around the NWTF Sport Show on Saturday. A company called Challenge Targets had a booth set up with a lot of their products. They had these 8" auto-reset round plates that mount onto a 4x4. You can either use the spring with them, so they auto reset, or take it out and they become just a knock over plate. They were selling a kit so you got three 8" plates with a hanging gong and brackets so you can make a saw horse to hold everything up. Seemed kinda cool so I ordered a kit. Now I just have to wait for them to come in so I can go shoot some steel instead of paper.

Very nice. Turnbull does excellent work. Here is my Turnbull 100 year Anniversary 1911

I don't think it's a secret that I partake in the opium of the masses, my particular addiction being Christianity. It is from that perspective I share my story. God created us to do stuff and be active He commands us to do that stuff and those activities to the best of our abilities and with a cheerful heart. Sometimes that stuff and those activities aren't fun or easy. But as obedient servants we should still follow God's commands to be faithful with the opportunities we have. Professionally, you may not have the drive, desire, or passion to do your best, give your best or be your best. And that's where I was Monday. Got to go to work, don't want to. Got to see clients, don't want to. You get paid, get out the door and remember God's command, be faithful with your current opportunity. Choose not to do it, the job I'm paid for that is, how is that any different from stealing? As I'm driving to my first appointment, I hear a preacher on Joy620 on your AM dial, talking about, "when Satan comes to get you" When we're weary, worn out, torn down, at our weakest, the negative thoughts and idleness set in. From a Christian perspective, the doubt of God's promises. The whisper of doubt comes from the father of lies (had to use it, it's a nice turn of phrase) From a non-Christian viewpoint with no concern about a higher power, how much time have you lost with equivalent non productive thoughts? My lesson, show a deeper love for God through being more faithful with the stuff and activities I must do, despite what I may want to do. I also learned by being faithful with the stuff and activities, it reduces those times I could be idle and open to the whispers of Satan. For non-Christians, a lesson in do the right thing all the time and by being active, there ain't much time wasted nor extra time to get into trouble with non productive activities. Keep fighting the good fight, do unto others, and keep your eye on the prize!

Or we could all just abandon the public school system and stop letting the government dictate what level of protection (and education, and indoctrination) our kids get. I homeschool my 3 kids (well my wife does actually). Sure, we could use the extra income she could make, but there's more to life than money and things...

Well, I'm all for protection of everyone's rights. If someone tells me they do not give consent to search, then I don't have consent. If I don't have probable cause, I'm just outta there. The fouth amendment is there for a reason. If someone doesn't want to talk to me, well the fifth amendment is there for a reason. I'm all for the protection of people's rights. Those rights include my rights. I, just like everyone else, has a right to be anywhere without having to be in fear because some pos is threatening to shoot me. I have a right to keep myself and my family alive just like everyone else does. And that's what I'm going to do. I don't have to wait for the flash coming out of the end of the barrel to start trying to figure out how to keep from offending him after he's threatened to shoot me. All that being said, I do believe that in the areas of personal rights and privacy a lot of lines are being crossed. A great many of us police officers are still out here working to make sure that people's rights are NOT trampled. We're supposed to be working FOR the citizens, not trying to keep the citizens controlled and under thumb. Citizens of this country have a right to be able to go out and work for a living (foreign concept I guess) and not have to worry about these worthless thugs breaking in while they're gone and raping, murdering, and stealing. But these rotten thugs are what this rotten society wants to protect, instead of the good people. Maybe we should return to old fashioned values. I do believe that a lot of the things being done out here on the streets of this country amount to tyranny. Whether it's some police chief, sheriff, fire marshal, mayor, county executive, senator etc., a good deal of them seem to be interested in one thing - power. And they want to do whatever they can to keep it and lord it over everyone. That whole short list of people there (only a fraction of the whole list) has one thing in common - they are supposed to be working FOR the people. But instead, so many times when someone is given the slightest bit of power they turn into little tyrants and work against the people and lord it over them. Is this true in all cases? No it is not. And the ones practicing such things need to be held accountable and face the consequences. But what is still bewildering to me is the fact that when you have a circumstance such as the one described in the OP, you no longer have in this society a loud voice of the people raising a public outcry against these thugs threatening to shoot people ( or even when they do shoot people), but instead there's usually an outcry from someone trying to make sure the thugs are protected. Do some cops act like tyrants and violate people's rights? Sure they do. And it grates on my skin. So let's put a stop to it. But let's also put a stop to the criminals out here violating people's rights. Or maybe we should just return to these days:

My TGO hat has seen better days. Luckily, UPS took care of that today. This one only looks worn... I also got a TGO vest to wear out-and-about in AL.

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I hung mine on a old metal clothesline T post...I cut up some pieces of old dog chain I had laying around for the hangers.. Excuse the pic, just walked out back and snapped it with my pistol light for the light lol

I've got a phone and been accused of talking too much at times. I don't know a lot, matter of fact I probably know a lot less than most. I seem like I am smart fellow because of who I surround myself with. I learned a long time ago that a man is at his smartest when he surrounds himself by those that are smarter than himself. Anyone who thinks they are the smartest person in the room is probably the dumbest of the bunch or at least that has been my observation. I haven't seen the LivePD episode, perhaps if I had I would have felt differently. I have had a number of people who have threatened to kill me. A few I have taken seriously but never enough to shoot someone first. I was once told there is a difference between being justified on paper and being justified in your mind. And while he might have been justified on paper it is his mind that will let him know if he was truly justified. I agree you shouldn't have to wait for a muzzle flash before you can respond but just because it was justified doesn't mean it was right. From the sounds of it this officer acted exactly how he should have. LE has a tough job today and I have the upmost respect for those that do it every day providing they do it out of trying to protect instead of trying to control the community they serve. I was reading about grass the other day because our yard is a mud pit again from all the rain. I thought there had to be a kind of grass that would prevent it. And while reading I came across an article, not about Tennessee, that requires home owners to only use certain types of grass and failure to do so could result in fines and jail time. At what point have we let our government dictate the type of grass we can have and worse yet allow them to throw us in jail for planting the wrong kind of grass.

Nobody does old school bluing better than Turnbull. I know there are more durable finishes these days - but there sure aren’t prettier ones.

Yeah....that's awesome!

It's an eww, icky-ick bug!

Professing to be a Christian is easy, acting like one is slightly more challenging

Wreck of the SS City of Adelaide off the coast of Magnetic Island in Australia

HB 2484 / SB 2336 Made it through house subcommittee yesterday. Basically the bill removes criminal liability for someone who leaves a posted premises when asked to do so. It looked like by watching video that an amendment was added for the bill to apply to someone who possibly negligently/recklessly carries in a posted area. A moms demand action supporter showed up to speak for her side. No NRA or other gun rights org lobbyist showed up. We are lucky that there seem to be several representatives sitting on this committee that are sympathetic to carry rights and willing to work with a governor and House Speaker that are lukewarm to easing carry restrictions. If our side does not show up, how can we expect our situation to improve? HB 2485 / SB 2335 This bill would totally legalize carry within the non secure portion of airport terminals if you have a handgun carry permit. Both of these bills have been authored by the same representative and state senator. Neither bill seem to have negative fiscal notes either. You might want to contact your representative, state senator, and NRA and other gun rights organizations to support these positive bills because they will help our carry rights.

Hello Everyone, i recently jumped on this board while in Nashville on business to make a quick connection in the local gun community, and everyone is so friendly I thought I’d stick around a bit, if you’ll have me. As you can see, I live in California, affectionatly known as the People’s Republic of California or PRC for short. I live in the best part though, Nor Cal’s beautiful Central Valley, a largely conservative part of the state. There are like 10 million solid patriotic Americans in CA, only outnumbered 2 to 1 by the Spawn of Bolsheviks, but we’re gettin’ by. Im a CCW holder, and my shooting hobbies have included long range tactical rifle matches(200-1000yd), dabbled in national match rifle and some random pistol comps, but then I had kids and started traveling heavily for business so now I’m in skills maintenance mode (read: I don’t shoot as often as I used to). Since a huge slice of my work involves the South, and all the guys who work for me are are in the Eastern Time Zone, as well as most customers, I’m working on getting a move out there paid for by the company. TN is my favorite state, we have an office in Oak Ridge so I have spent most of my time there or around Chattanooga, and we have some family in Atoka/outer Shelby county, so hopefully that will work out sometime. Anyway, sorry for the exhaustive intro, nice to meet you. M.

I'm not sure if this is the cause behind being thrown in jail for the wrong kind of grass, but those blasted homeowners "associations" are the perfect example of tyranny at work. I'll stop before I get on my soapbox again.

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Wow! I actually influenced someone? Please don't let it get out. I might become famous. Sure. lol You sure found one fast! Seriously though, I'm glad you like it. I don't go to gun shows anymore, or not in a long while, or I'd be looking for another. I like my little Ruger, but Isn't my favorite. But it hides well, but so does the P32.

That's a very smart thing to do. I wish more people would follow your lead. The best I can offer is what my own experiences with a product are or have been, and I really like the M2.0 pistols. A lot. So much that I don't even carry a Glock 19 these days and instead go for my M2.0 9mm Compact. It is very accurate and the grip just feels great to me. The trigger is good enough that I don't even find myself thinking about the trigger when I shoot it. To me, that's really when I know that I have a gun that I can use well: When I no longer think about the trigger. But like I said, it's really a subjective thing. It's so subject that I almost don't even want to talk about trigger "feel" when people ask about any gun unless we're going to talk about the quantifiable things like amount of take-up, pull weight and reset length. I hope it doesn't sound like I am annoyed, because I'm really not. I've just come to the point where I have had to admit that its no easier to describe all of the things that culminate in trigger "feel" than it is to describe to a blind person what a sunset looks like.

It’s an assault bug....ban him [emoji33]

My 4th grader brought home a fairly thorough and (IMO) age appropriate study guide for his test on the Revolutionary War. It covered the high points fairly well. The only thing we didn't care for was the characterization of Paul Revere's ride, which has been reasonably proven to not have occurred as portrayed by Longfellow. The nitty gritty details of such things can wait until high school or college.

My thinking on this is that it takes a certain kind of person to teach, certainly at the elementary level. My wife is practical and in her way ferocious, but to deal with the elementary students she does and especially the parents of that lot, she has to have a vision of the future that's somewhat hopeful. Certainly more so than mine at least. I will say that after 25 years she's gotten to the point where she's not as able to tilt at those windmills as she once was. Of course having married me, it's evident she's an optimist...

My ex-wife retired a school teacher. My daughter was a school teacher, but she got tired of not being able to do anything about the problem; so she became a Probation Officer.

Winner! it is not difficult to see, the start is to fix the cause. Otherwise we will just keep swimming upstream.

AuEagle, I have one of those Bug-A-Salt guns. It'll knock 'em for a loop, but hasn't got enough power to kill one. Don't waste your money.

Thanks. I’ll have it to you on Friday, sir.

That's why I may go rent or borrow one to try out. Thanks for the advice though. I really appreciate yours and Garufu' input. Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk

I'm not disputing your idea, just pointing out that in my opinion, based on many years of working for school systems, it has no chance of actual implementation. For one thing, in a typical school you will be hard pressed to find 20 teachers who would be willing to go armed. We are, after all, quite busy spreading the socialist, liberal agenda to the kids ...

I don't know the exact situation with the Florida school and it's SRO's. Having multiple officers is certainly reasonable though, as that school reportedly has an enrollment of 3300 kids (which is about 30% more than the largest high school in Tennessee) with a campus that apparently has multiple buildings (the shootings occurred in Building 12, but I don't know if that means they actually had 12 buildings on campus). I do remember seeing some initial reports that the officer in charge of that part of the campus was away, called out, or maybe off that day but as I said, I don't know the details. The statistic I quoted earlier was part of a study on school shootings that is probably about 2 years old now, maybe there are incidents of on-duty officers being present at school shootings that I'm not aware of. I do know that in Kentucky, SRO's didn't seem to be used as widely as here in Tennessee, I don't think Marshall County had one. As for the prevalence here, I'm sure that most, if not all of the larger systems and schools employ SRO's, but in the smaller systems and schools found in rural areas the use isn't nearly as common, some have no officers at all, others provide them for high schools only, and several share an officer among multiple campuses. However, my point was, it's going to be far easier to push for increased usage of SRO's on campuses in Tennessee than to advocate for armed carry by teacher's and staff, I don't think that will ever happen under any circumstances.

I think as far as legalizing K-12 school carry in Tennessee, the best approach would be to take the approach that Missouri has taken. It is a good balance between not giving people with pistol licenses criminal charges (isn't that the whole point of paying for a pistol license?) for carrying inside schools and allowing schools to ask people to leave the building/take gun to car that they find out are legally carrying. Missouri basically has it in their law that it is not a criminal offense to carry in school buildings but that a licensee can be asked to leave. That to me is the way it should be here. There are some people in the gun community that forget that a handgun carry permit should just be something to keep you from getting weapons charges and not to force property owners to allow you to carry/change their internal policies. On the flip side, many in the anti gun community can't understand that a handgun carry permit should keep people from getting weapons charges and it is pointless to give someone who has a permit criminal weapons charges for carrying in certain locations whether that be a school, church, state government building, etc. because that person has been checked out. Hey ask that person to leave and take the gun to the car, but the person has paid for a permit and should be exempt from gun charges because he or she is not a criminal.

Took 110 years for S&W to develop a polymer Colt 1908. Way to go, guys!

I have been one of those " anti American indoctrinators" working to "undermine society" for the last 30+ years. During that entire time period I have worked in rural schools in Kentucky and Tennessee, the kind of places in which a lot of the students and teachers own guns, hunt, shoot, and have been raised around guns. Even in those types of schools you're not going to find very many teachers who would support going armed in schools and probably fewer parents who wish to see school personnel carrying for student protection. School administrators would be petrified at the idea, mostly due to perceptions about liability issues and potential blowback from their communities, county commissions aren't going to support funding, and even if you pass the legislation necessary to allow it I doubt many, if any systems would implement it. There is a lot of support for additional school resource officers among communities that have had these positions, as most, even if they were initially opposed have seen the many benefits a competent officer on school grounds can have on student behavior and discipline. Not from a law enforcement perspective, but in the schools I have worked in that have had SRO's, these officers have proved efficient at heading off problems before they occur, and many students are comfortable speaking with them confidentially about their concerns and problems. In addition, to the best of my knowledge, the only school shooting that has occurred with either an SRO or some other type of campus security in place and on duty was the Virginia tech incident several years ago, thus proving the efficacy of this policy. Legislators may very well move towards universal placement of SRO's in public schools (providing of course requisite funding is made available) but I don't see any type of armed carry by teachers or support staff ever happening in public K-12 schools here in Tennessee, there is basically no support for that idea anywhere that I am familiar with, this forum and others like it being the exception of course.

I don’t think I’ll be accused of being a liberal so; what pro-gun legislation are they blocking. If we are being truthful and stating facts the facts show that gun laws are getting less restrictive not more restrictive. Of course it’s an emotional response for the left; it is for the right also. What pro-gun legislation do we need that has to do with schools and won’t be blocked by the students or the parents of the students?

So they took prayer out of the schools. Pledge of Alligiance I guess is optional. OK to kneel and ignore the Nat'l Anthem, and you want all of the folks involved in the undermining of society to carry a gun? NO Thanks on my part. Plus anyone carrying a firearm routinely NEEDS proper training; not just the ability to purchase one. Flame me, but I see enough people think they are proficient that are down right scary. I don't want to be down range from them in a local pharmacy or have my kids downrange in a school. So I still think the best we can hope for would be volunteer employees at each school to be properly trained. That is not far-fetched and has and can be done. It will take a legislative push in TN for it to happen. That is where it will be bogged down.

That’s true, but the root of the problem has nothing to do with guns. No matter how much either side wants that to be true. There isn’t going to be gun confiscation any more than there is going to be untrained private citizens carry guns in schools. If you want to have some kind of showdown with the liberals in the school system; you will lose. If you think you are going to tell parents untrained civilians are going to be carry guns in schools to protect their kids; you will lose.

When I go to the range with my Bisley, I take my time, get my breathing right, proper grip, correct stance and work on my trigger pull. You only get 5-6 shots before you have to reload so each one has to count. It's beautiful! I used my Bisley Vaquero for our companies unofficial pistol competition and won. I had the only revolver, everyone else had semis. Mine is a .357 magnum to match my Henry Big Boy and that's what a shoot in it. That thing gets so hot you burn yourself reloading it. I could iron my shirts with it. I am looking forward to getting a Colt 45 single action but they are very expensive yet if I clean my safe from all the closet queens I could probably buy one.

At what point would it be justified to kill someone for making a threat unless they can act on that threat. People get threatened every single day, are we now justified to shoot someone when some lowlife says he is going to kill you because you won't give them a quarter? Insane what is being passed off as justified any more. LivePD is nothing more than the desensitizing of the population into believing that it is OK to allow the government to trample on their rights. If they ask you a question, you MUST answer or go to jail for obstruction. I watched that one pan out on LivePD. They pulled over the driver because he was in a "high drug area". They asked him where he was coming from and when he refused to answer they took him to jail for obstruction. They never found drugs or anything illegal during the search incident to arrest but he was still taken to jail. The officer briefed the camera saying he was being charged with felony obstruction for not answering the officer's questions. You have the right to remain silent but only AFTER you have been arrested. Before that you can be tossed in jail for keeping your mouth shut. A lady was pulled over for sitting in a parking lot putting on her makeup. She refused their request to search her car. They asked her if she had medication in the car, she said she did. The officers said they needed to get the medication AND search the car. She refused to let them search but offered to get the medication. The officers refused to let her get the medication to verify it was legal but held her there for like 30 minutes saying she wasn't allowed to get into the car until AFTER the officers left. The officers said the lady might pull out a gun and shoot all seven of the officers if they let her get in her car first. I have seen numerous searches started because the officer said "You look nervous". Even if the driver said they weren't nervous the officer made them get out of the car so they could search because "You look nervous so you must be breaking the law". The officer is able to tell whether the person they just met for the first time is nervous in the first 30 seconds of making contact, BS. They get briefed, as I did, in how to lead and make statements to support what you want to happen. I was idling around in a parking lot looking for a spot. I didn't come to a complete stop at the white line at the end of a row. There was an officer sitting, stationary about 100 feet away. The officer pulled me over stating I did not come to a complete stop at the white line. I told him it wasn't a stop sign. His response was that I almost t-boned him. I laughed and said he was half way across the parking lot. He gave me a hard stare and said I better be careful or I might get in trouble for trying to kill an officer next time. This all happened on private property at a local grocery store. Anymore anything a person does is "suspicious" and is probable cause to violate someone's rights. It is funny watching all the officers crowd the car looking, and peering, into the car like some peeping tom trying to get a glimpse of some skin.

If you cook to get her, you gotta keep cooking to keep her.

The logic of disallowing school staff from carrying is totally flawed, just like all anti gun arguments. If a teacher owns a gun and wants to carry in class to protect the children in the worst case imaginable, then prohibition on carry stops him or her from doing so because they are afraid of losing their job, criminal charges etc. But if the same teacher (or whomever) suddenly becomes hellbent on murder, then the possibility of losing a job or being charged with a misdemeanor is supposed to stop them? Ridiculous...

I have advocated this idea ever since a local school shooting about 7 years or so ago. Now Newt got hold of my idea. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/16/newt-gingrich-after-florida-shootings-heres-practical-proposal-to-protect-our-children.html

It's a daily struggle.

An unarmed populace has a far greater threat in its government than a lunatic with a gun.

Yes, it turned out beautifully. I'm very envious. I saw a full DW Pistol Pack with all 5 barrels and cleaning accessories several years ago at a gun show. Why I didn't buy it...I really don't know. Guess I wasn't thinking too well that day. It was 900 for the full package.

Luck was on your side with this purchase. The Dan Wesson revolvers have a reputation for better than average accuracy. Competition shooters who know these systems routinely use them in silhouette and similar long distance games. The larger bore Wessons are rarely found for sale. The people who have them never want to turn them loose. If you should need a barrel wrench or feeler gauge set, these are available at ewkarms.com as new merchandise. They are reasonably priced. Congratulations on your find.

No arthritis here, but I carry a P32 every day because it is easy to carry and is reliable. I owned 2 PF9s and a DB9. Not easy to shoot. Then neither is my S&W 340PD. Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk

None of these questions will be resolved until we actually get one in had. Then the buying public will make a choice yay or nay. I'm still riding the fence on this one. But just how many pocket nines can we have to choose from? Seems the number is ever changing. And to JAB, I owned the P3AT, the P32, and the PF9. Sold the first two sadly, should have kept them. I preferred them to the Ruger LCP. Now as to the PF9...I absolutely hated that little bugger. JMO

I did notice that there are slightly protruding "wings" at the rear of the slide for better purchase for those that slingshot the slide to rack it...at least I make that assumption. This is copied from the G&A article I linked above: The “EZ” in the M&P 380 Shield’s model name indicates that this is easy to rack — very easy. That’s partly because it is a pistol with an internal hammer system. Just because it has a hammer system doesn’t translate to a slide that’s easier to make ready. We found that the hammer assembly was positioned lower into the frame, so the slide has more leverage on cocking the internal hammer. When the slide must cock a hammer with a pivot point that’s positioned higher to the slide’s base, more force is required to overcome the mainspring’s resistance to the hammer being cocked. (Very clever.) Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/first-look/first-look-easy-to-rack-sw-mp-380-shield/#ixzz56Ppu3vkR

And they should have to follow the same laws we do. If I can’t point a loaded gun at a stranger then an officer should not be able to either, without justification. And “I’m scared” isn’t justification unless I can use the same reason.