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Access to firearms has never been more restricted that at the present time. AR15 has been on the civilian market for over 50 years and is one of the most popular firearms in history, probably millions to 10's of millions of them in the US. Obviously, something changed other than access to firearms; if there was a correlation then these incidents would be less likely now, not more. The AR came on the market in 1963, at a time when there were virtually no gun laws other than restrictions on machineguns, 5 years before the 1968 GCA. What has happened in the time period since then, lets reason together: We as a nation have practically destroyed the nuclear family, eviscerated and emasculated the role of the Church in society and replaced chivalry and self-sacrifice with victimhood and narcissism. We abort viable pregnancies due to inconvenience, and promote offing the elderly and ill if we deem their quality of life substandard. We allow our children to play video games that utilize the exact same psychological conditioning used to make our Vietnam Vets more efficient killers (and caused an explosion of PTSD casualties, you all know that more vets have killed themselves since the war than died in it). Instead of mothers and fathers raising their sons and daughters to be ladies and gentlemen, we tell the kids they might be homosexuals or misgendered, and instead of disciplining and training them we put them on Prozac and Ritalin and give them Facebook to experience the insecurities of puberty on a macro scale, all alone on powerful mind altering medications with no morals and no father to smack them and no mother to hug them. Short of a revival (and I do mean the Christian sort), I don't know what can turn this around, we've wasted a generation, maybe two now, and I'm staying armed and vigilant because the last thing that's gonna make anyone safer is taking away the ability to meet these threats head on. I'm sorry to say I don't see this getting better anytime soon, but will continue to pray about it, and do what I can to influence my children and other young people that I can in appositive way...

I'm not willing to trade in the liberty of an entire nation of people, today or ever, to try to prevent a particular type of heinous crime from occurring which is both statistically incredibly rare and not even remotely related to access to firearms. The assault weapon ban never went away and only got worse where I live, yet there are violent criminals committing violent acts all over the place. Many men on this board probably have similar experiences or can relate similar experiences my father had: As a kid in the 50's/60's he and all his friends owned guns they mail ordered from Sears and Roebuck catalog, worked at a gas station all alone at 14 that sold guns the same way they sold gas, to anyone with money, and learned to shoot from the school principal who was also the Scoutmaster. People weren't killing each other. We've torn our nation and our culture apart which in the end is the cause, not the guns. So we can shred the constitution, disarm the American people and become socialists on the brink of extinction like most of Europe or we can actually address the real issue which is the systematic attack and dismantling of the Home, the Church and the American Way of Life.

It is literally insane to believe a criminal who has no regard for the law will somehow comply with a new law if only it were enacted.

In the near future there will be discussions about the civil liberties of private citizens and far we want to go. As a former Police Officer I do not believe we have to violate anyone’s Constitutional Rights when they threaten violence. When you say or post “I’m going to be a professional school shooter” you have crossed the line from Constitutional Rights to Reasonable Suspicion that a crime is about to be committed. That warrants Police involvement. Anything less is unreasonable.

I can offer nothing better than has already been said on this. So I'll just continue to pray for these kids, their parents, and our nation. Amen.

I believe most of you here know that my tastes run to the Single Action revolver. Seems I've stated something to that effect here. My preferences run to Single Actions with fine adjustable sights, case hardened frames and eye-catching grips. Here are two such revolvers, both in .45 Colt, one a Blackhawk and one a New Frontier: Both of these have the 4 x/8" barrels, 4 5/8" for the Ruger , and 4 3/4" for the Colt. In my opinion, the Colt Accro sight is better of the two, having a flat face and all steel construction, though Ruger does now offer all steel. The Ruger rear sight has a radiused surface that does catch light at times, not as precise as the Colt. As to Colt's Eliason as on current New Frontiers, it overhangs the hammer a trifle too much to suit me, and can catch the thumb when cocking. The wide trigger on the Ruger is much more pleasant to me, as opposed to the narrow trigger of Colts. And (bite my tongue here) I prefer the XR-3RED grip profile of the Ruger to the Colt's plowhandle grip profile. I know, I know, the Colt grip is the grip "to fit every hand" but the Ruger just handles recoil a mite better, and is less likely for the cocked hammer spur to dig into the flesh of the shooting hand. Now here is the same Colt with a .44 Special Ruger Flat Top, even closer to the Colt in size and proportion. This gun is one of the finest Rugers to come out yet, but it incorporates the Colt grip profile. While I do like the smaller frame, I wish they'd have put the XR-3RED grip on it! Bob Wright

Excellent post.

Another HUGE problem with putting officers in schools is the fact they are generally the least experienced and least trusted within the department. They have an officer they can't trust to be on the road and they can't fire them so they stick them in the school as a resource officer hoping they will never be called upon. They are generally the least paid of any officers as well as the least qualified. They are there only because it is cheaper than private, armed security. Privatize the security for schools and require qualifications that are commensurate with the pay increase. Children are the most vulnerable in our society and our government does everything the cheapest it can on behalf of the children. Everything the government does is done according to who the lowest bidder is. And those bids are generally overshot as well as the time needed to complete. Get the government out of our children's lives, out of their school system and quit letting them use the least qualified personnel to protect them. We have thousands of veterans who are desperate for work. They have the training, skills as well as the mental attitude to deal with situations like this. Hire them, pay them WELL and give them the tools (firearms) they need to keep our children safe. All you have to do is look to Israel to see how our society could be. Everyone there is armed, including teachers, and the only attacks come from terrorists and not from little snot nosed kids who's mommy didn't show him how to be an adult. When the #### will our leaders learn the gun free zones are free fire zones where people die.

At our church recently, East Side Baptist Church in Memphis, we held a Sportsmans Banquet. The basis of the banquet was for all who wished, to contribute game meat for the banquet. I had venison stew, venison chili, bacon wrapped duck breasts, tossed salad and pecan pie with strawberry cake. A feature of the event was a "pistol match." This utilized a 9mm pistol of some plastic design. A laser device was placed in place of a live round in the chamber. Shooting was at a projected target and firing from three, six, and nine yards back, two rounds each distance. The target projected the target image on the wall, and each "shot" resounded with the sound (sort of) of a shot, and a bullet hole appeared on the projected target for bystanders to see. The pistol had to be racked after each shot. The "prize" was a tin sign of an old S&W advertising sign. I won the pistol match, and took a lot of ribbing the next Sunday morning. Bob Wright

No. Hang him, publicly, in as open and public a place as may be found, at high noon. Within the next 14 days, not 114. I don't give a damn if he was "mentally ill". My mind is toward 17 children and their families. But I try not to be too onesided... If someone can provide for me the PRO allowing mass murderers to shoot children without penalty, let's hear it. I thought not. SWC

Saw in another thread someone talking about a Dan Wesson. This is my pistol pack that I have owned since 1981. I thought I would pull it out of the safe and show it off. It is a model 15-2 in .357. I love this pistol. They are great guns and very accurate.

I have been saying those in need should be sent boxes of food instead of given free money. I believe it would benefit a lot of people while making it harder for those who cheat the system to continue to cheat the system. It would also ensure that those who are getting help would eat good food instead of junk food or food obviously too expensive for those getting assistance. For those who may not be aware, in Tennessee it is against the rules for a business to ask for ID to verify the user of an EBT card is the person who is issued that card. Any vendor that does as for ID can risk loosing the ability to take EBT, which is a LOT of money for some vendors. I have seen it first hand because my brother gets EBT benefits and then sells to pay for drugs. I talk to the cashiers all the time about it and they say they know the people getting issued is not the ones using it but they cannot do anything about it. Had one lady who would use her EBT card to buy packs of expensive tuna. She would brag about that fact they were for her cats and that she would continue to buy the tuna until cat food was covered by her EBT card. I see people using EBT cards to buy food that most people cannot afford to eat on a regular basis yet our tax dollars are used to pay for a lavish lifestyle for those who say they cannot afford to eat. If they would require businesses to verify the user is the one who was issued the card it would cut down on a significant amount of fraud. Hell, my ID is checked when I use MY credit card so why can't those who use my tax money be bothered to do the same. They cite privacy reasons and that it might embarrass those who are using EBT cards but if you are truly in need of EBT you would be grateful instead of embarrassed. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-replace-food-stamps-114015814.html

A ban on the weapon (gun) used by a criminal to commit such a crime would only direct them to a new weapon (truck, explosive, etc).

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Back several years ago I brought up that exact point about putting veterans in all the schools to protect our children and everyone thought it was a bad idea. Said you couldn't trust them not to go over the edge. I said Bull crap but no one seemed to like my idea back than. One thing is for sure. A vet knows the sound of gun fire and he won't run from it but he will run towards it. I still like the idea whether other folks do or not...............JMHO

Well we know what won’t work; a gun ban. There are just too many AR’s (and other guns they would try to ban) out there. A person that wanted to do this could get a gun. Especially someone that had the financial resources of the Vegas mass murderer. I watched Senator Bill Nelson from Florida call for gun control last night. He said he was a supporter of the 2nd amendment and a hunter, but that an AR is made for killing not for hunting. So apparently Senator Nelson thinks the 2nd amendment protects his right to hunt. That is pretty sad itself; but the fact that he is a lawmaker and doesn’t understand the United States Constitution makes it worse. Yes, the AR is a civilian version of the M16 that was engineered and designed as an assault rifle for killing people in combat. It is also a very effective weapon is engaging an active shooter in our children’s school or protecting your family from violent attacks (that law enforcement cannot protect them from). Some terrorists are using vehicles instead of guns or bombs. Some are using knives. Those work also. The core problem is family values, morals, religious beliefs, and no fear of legal prosecution. Many people seem to think our constitutional rights keep the Police from getting involved if no crime has been committed. I strongly disagree. Police involvement doesn’t mean the nut case won’t go off the rails and kill anyway. If they know they are going to die they don’t fear the Police or anyone else. But it may get someone involved that can make a difference. We recently had a post on here about a suspicious person. When I was a cop I would have ran the plate number and went to his house and had a talk. Would he have to talk to me? Of course not. But we would be way ahead of where we were, and on our way to being able to take some action. It didn’t surprise me that the kids knew this guy was a nut case, as I’ve said before, ask your kids who the nut jobs are in their school and they will tell you. What did concern me a little was the calmness these kids showed in telling what happened. When I was a cop (many years ago) kids would be very emotional after witnessing a violent act and had trouble talking about it. Our kids need help, but that’s a separate issue from mass murderers. Our schools and workplaces need the ability to engage and kill an active shooter. Not have to wait until he gets done killing people and takes his own life.

These sorts of mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon and even though a semi-auto ban most likely would have a downward effect on casualty numbers, it would still be a miniscule amount of the total annual number of gun deaths. I also can’t support any sort of action that penalizes the whole for the actions of the individual. The guns aren’t the problem though. They don’t cause the shootings to happen. Semi-auto and even full auto guns were much more accessible in years past and we didn’t have these types of shootings. Our society is sick and that sickness is causing our children to have these types of psychotic breaks. I can see the problem, but I don’t know how to fix it. What’s the solution? How do we heal something so fundamentally broken?

I just got back home from the MEPS center in Nashville. It was THE hardest thing I've ever done as a Dad to watch my son get on that bus and head out for Parris Island today. Pray for him that the Lord will be with him and give him strength and resilience, and that my son will trust in Him. I told him yesterday that even though he may have the blood of warriors coursing through his veins, the blood of the Cherokee, the Seminole, the Blackfoot, the Norseman, all that pales in comparison to the fact that he is covered by the blood of Christ, the Lamb of God, the King of kings, the Lord of lords. I want him to remember that. And to remember that God will never leave him or abandon him.

If a law fixes the problem, we already have the one that says murder is illegal. Doesn't seem to fix the problem.

Let's not go adding arbitrary laws and rules that will not stop these anyway. If an 18 year old wants a gun, his parents will probably just buy it. Or he will steal his dad's, grandpa's, or another family members if he plans something bad. If someone does not care about human life, then they sure as h3ll are not going to care about laws.

The media goes directly to blaming things like the weapon. This is a symptom of the current political correctness where it isn't acceptable to blame the Person that committed the act. Regardless of age we know it's wrong to kill other people, but the numbness caused by constant exposure to violence on Movies, TV and Games has caused many of these kids to simply not care, or react to it with the outrage that most of our older generations do. It's simply just the way they perceive the world. Many of these shootings if not all of them have a mental health aspect to them. Notice that there is a constant drum of the FBI was notified, someone should have known. There must be a way to use social media to predict this sort of thing. This scares the crap out of me because it smacks of "thought police" Yet again the blame is being directed somewhere other than at the Perpetrator. This young mans father and mother are both dead, his mother raised him, he is in counseling, has been called emotionally disturbed, etc. I have yet to hear anyone in the media, or government say he is plain and simple a murderer. As a society there has been a shift away from Personal Responsibility. I fear that the next few generations will suffer greatly because of this. We will have the government Surveilling us, banning the weapons we enjoy responsibly using, and our grand kids will grow up thinking that this is just how things are. I know this is preaching to the choir but I am deeply saddened by this, by the fact that we have so many adults and children in our wonderful country that think that they are owed something, and if they don't get it they'll go out with a bang. No personal responsibility, and our elected officials don't have the integrity to point out that an Evil Person did this and that there really is no way to prevent an evil person from committing acts of evil. This is a problem that has taken several generations to create and I fear that we have gone past the point of no return.

I have read most all the posts in this thread and many of them touch on the fact of security at what ever facility is being effected whether it be a school or the Pulse Nightclub or even the theater in Colorado. In each case they were gun free zones except for the Pluse Nightclub which bascially was when the shooting began because the security office was the first person killed. The theater in Colorado was the only gun free movie theater in that Colorado town that was chosen. Until the State Local and Federal Govenments do away with the Killing fields ( Gun Free Zones) these issues will continue. I have heard many people say that our children are our most valuable asset in our future. How about proving that! How about putting actual real security in each and every school to protect our most valuable assets????? 1 police car parked in front of a school is not security. 1 resource officer is not school security! 1 Security Officer in a nightclub is not security. They are the 1st target!!!!! .................JMHO

Here's something interesting that I wish would get wider circulation http://reason.com/blog/2018/02/14/yes-this-is-a-good-time-to-talk-about-gu Also interesting -- last night on the radio I heard interviews with students and one girl said that if asked who would do a thing like that, kids would have identified the guy who became the shooter. I think that's probably the case most of the time. These people are known. Cheers, Whisper

Personally I think many of the issues our youth are having are directly related to lack of parenting. Single parent homes particularly where no father is present lack hard boundaries. Nurturing is a wonderful thing but kids NEED rules and consequences too. If they go long enough without them the results are what we see in our society today. Participation trophies, no sense of accomplishment, or how to deal with loss. So many kids are just adrift in the world. They never get prepared for adulthood, and responsibility. The results are terrifying and the public response will largely be to blame anything BUT they perpetrator of this horrible event.

Long story short, I ended up with a p365. The first 200 rounds or so, it had the failure to return to battery. It happened with both mags and probably 20% of the time. It also failed to lock the slide back on the final round about half the time. When it did fail to return to battery, the lighest touch slid it home. I cleaned it up, smoothed the extractor out, and oiled it up. Shot it over 200 more times and have had no failure to return to battery. The slide still doesnt lock back every time shooting it one handed, but it does lock back about 90% of the time now two-handed. Everyone that has held it pretty much loves it. I've only had one complaint about it being too small actually. The frame is slightly wider than a Glock 43. Just a sliver. I think it feels great with either supplied mag. I'll try a 12 rounder if I ever see one. The trigger is quite nice with a good reset. The trigger feels even better shooting it. It "surprised" me a few times. My Glocks never do that but better triggers do some times. My front sight was dead as they all seem to be. I've already called Sig; the x-ray sights are supposedly on their way to me. I'll report back when I've put more rounds through it. I don't plan on cleaning it between now and then.

I went to SanAngelo Tx last weekend with a group. Between 6 of us, we killed 67 hogs and 38 coyotes in 6 hours from a helicopter. Flew in on Friday afternoon and back to Nashville Sunday am. It was a freaking blast!

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Well, there was that 10 year Assault Weapon Ban thang, ya know. The "inconvenient truth" is that of course the number of mass shooting casualties would fall if all semi-auto weapons were banned from ownership with no grandfathering. If the average person can't get one, well, duh... It would of course take a while, indeed a whole generation or more to ferret all of them out, but by some point, nobody would be running into a school with an AR or AK. Because you couldn't take Daddy's from the safe, or go out and buy one a week or month or year before you used it (many if not most of the mass shootings from the younger crowd, the gun was acquired relatively close in time to it's use). Because nobody would be making or selling them, and yes, a whole lotta gun manufacturers would go out of biz. Now, don't shoot the messenger, but all you have to do is look at other countries where semi-auto is banned and/or very tightly controlled. Once heavily armed Australia remains a relatively violent country, but it's one on one crime, no longer mass mayhem. Mass murder by firearm no longer really exists in the UK or much of western Europe. (except by the terrorists let into the country, but that's a different issue). Etc etc. Do, I advocate that? Of course not, as I feel the long term last hope for a free country rests on the populace being adequately armed. But the price is high, and I don't kid myself that any of the proposed half-measures will have much affect, even over time. Hell, investigating "suspected loons" has its own inherent risks to freedom overall too and can set some dangerous precedents. Of course, you can still use revolvers, shotguns, bolt/lever action rifles, knives, axes, bombs, arson, whatever, but none of those methods are nearly as safe or convenient to the perp as wading through a captive audience with an AK or AR, or even a 10/22 for that matter, with hundreds of rounds. And that could effectively be removed from the society eventually, speaking in practical and logical terms only. - OS (not expecting this to be a popular response )

I have a RIA 9mm. It's been reliable and accurate using any ammunition I've fed it. It has a budget finish, but it's a budget pistol.

I had to reread this. My first thought was why would Kimber name a pistol REMF.

If we have a law that says 26yrs of age or whatever, what makes you think they would obey it? This isn't a legal problem it's a people problem. Common sense isn't common anymore and I'm afraid that the backlash from this will not be helpful in the long run. Restriction of rights for the majority of people in an effort to stop random sociopaths simply won't work. A true killer will find a way to kill.

I'm more for giving folks a hoe and packets of heirloom seeds.

Not to crack wise, but if you don't need ID to vote, EBT ain't on the real radar

Last night. Roasted asparagus, steamed veggies, bacon wrapped jalapeños, steaks and miniature cheesecake. And yeah. Welcome to Wyoming. [emoji1]

Just before I left WM, thier policy on active shooters was ADD... Avoid, Deny, Defend Avoid... Hide from the guy. For example, if you were in a room with a windowed door, shut off the light, lock the door and stay out of the windows' sight. Deny... get customers and staff the hell out of the store. Block his mobility (shopping carts, displays, whatever) Defend... if no other choice, throw things at him, fight him, do NOT fight fair. The "do not fight fair" line always cracked me up... SOB has a gun., damn right I am not gonna fight fair. What, I'm supposed to give him an engraved invite to a duel? This twisto did not fight fair, he flushed the game by activating the fire alarm. Most schools have designated areas for each classroom to go to, and if he was a prior student there, probably he knew where they were... the analogy that gun free zones are "human hunting areas" was most accurate here. I got a look at this guy's face on another website... nobody home in them eyes. I cannot speak to how he got started on this, nor do I care. Two two man teams of armed security that knew the ground would have been enough to take care of this with properly placed headshots. And candidly, that's what you are going to need going forward. NOT mallcop wannabe rambos that get rotated to new sites every week. Dedicated teams. Add if it means closed campuses, fine too. Rather have my kid eating at a cafeteria table than laying on a coroner's table. I stand by my prior statement: Hang him, publicly, openly. Multiple murder such as this cannot be given to a jury. This should be a bench trial. Injection or electrocution, far from the public eye, is NOT "civilized". "Modern", maybe. I recall that Texas was working on a law to where if the preponderance of the evidence showed the murders taking place, you got one appeal after sentence within 60 days, and a needle in your arm within 30 days after if the appeal still had you guilty. If nothing else, hanging shows the State exercising fiscal responsibility ...."This is one joker we are not feeding, housing, guarding, and paying a public defender to defend for years and years, and using a long proven and inexpensive process." my two bits. SWC

Some things should be common sense; but they aren’t. I find it laughable that being able to ask for ID when someone is using food stamps is somehow demeaning, but asking them to take a drug test isn’t. Jobs are what will change things. I believe in a hand up; not a handout

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One of biggest problems is political correctness. When we, as a society, see a problem we are afraid to say something. Our kids are being taught that it is wrong to say something when something is wrong. Fellow students knew the shooter had a problem but they were too afraid to say anything out of fear of being labeled. We must stand up and say what must be said. Sitting back whispering will change nothing, we must scream and point fingers when there is a problem. Mental health is an issue but it is not as big of an issue as we are lead to believe. We have always had crazy people doing crazy things and that will never change. The problem we do have is the drugs for "mental" conditions are being over prescribed and those drugs cause just as much of a problem as the underlying "mental" condition itself. Life sucks for most people on the planet but here in the US we are so spoiled that we think we have it bad. In comes the pharmaceutical companies with a little pill that they promise will make life suck less, it doesn't. Young children are diagnosed with a disease when they show signs of an active imagination and the parents are told they MUST give those kids prescription drugs to cure their active imaginations. Most of the mass shooters have been on a cocktail of these drugs prior to going on a shooting rampage. And I bet the shooter will also be on those same drugs or at least prescribed those drugs at some point. The pharmaceutical companies, and their urge to get richer, are the ones pushing people to believe there is a mental health crisis. There are no more crazy people, just more diagnoses that require more prescription medications to treat. The pharmaceutical companies are also the ones responsible for pushing, for profit, the drugs that has caused the opioid crisis that is killing hundreds every single day. We do have a problem but we do not have a mental health problem in the United States, we have a problem with corporate drug dealers whose only concern is profits from selling dangerous drugs.

My Son just reported to his first duty station. The unit is getting ready for deployment, his first. It is a attack helicopter unit. I still worry about him all the time.

When are we going to get serious about school security? If children are our most precious resource, why do we box them up and leave them largely unprotected? Walmart has better security than a lot of schools. It's pitiful. Would a police car sitting in front of the building have sent him somewhere else? Would someone monitoring security cameras be able to call in the cavalry in enough time to catch it before it started? How did someone with no business being there even get within shouting distance of the building?

It’s like John Lott said in “the Bias Against Guns”, that the stat for children killed by guns included up to age 20 or so and included gang shootings, suicides, homes where felons illegally possessed improperly stored firearms...etc. It turned out that actual children under 11 killed in firearm accidents in the home was so rare that 5 gallon plastic buckets and queen sized matresses were significantly more dangerous to kids than guns... School shootings are highly publicized and unbelievably horrifyingly tragic, but still incredibly rare.

I so didn't read RMEF correctly the 1st time and laughed out loud. I guess camp guard would be good for in the rear with the gear.

Apparently there were red flags. Signs were there. No one apparently spoke out. He was expelled for disciplinary reasons. I wonder if the school offered any help? Politicians will blame guns. I wonder if there will ever be a discussion about what binds us together? Morals, accountability, responsibility, self-control, pride in self, family and community, patriotism, the flag, national anthem, pledge of allegiance, duty, honor and country. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I agree with this but it's also impossible to deny that the US has really cornered the market on mass shootings. I keep trying to remind myself that these events are still pretty rare but I am concerned with the current trend. I don't know what the solution is but doing nothing doesn't seem to be working.

How it ended is not as important in that it did in fact end. Now after they pick his brain for a week they can take him out back and let the families have at him.

Supposedly 19 yr old ex-student. Flagged as threat? miamiherald:http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.html Yes Dave, one gun in the hands of a good guy could have saved so many lives present & past.... Prayers for survivors & the families of all affected.

Yes, they say he had a gas mask, smoke grenades (undetermined if he used them), an AR15 and a bunch of mags. He pulled the fire alarm and opened fire when they ran out. He was captured about a mile away and is alive and in custody. I keep hearing “When will we learn?” Yes, when will we learn? He was in a target rich environment and he was the only one with a gun. The only way to stop an active shooter is with another active shooter. Also, the kids knew he was trouble.

Prayers to you and yours.....I know the feeling. My boy is over in the sand now. ...deployment #6 since '03.

This process has been a lot slower than I had hoped and that is entirely my fault. I have been covered up with other things, which is exactly the reason why we needed some new folks on the TGO Staff to help us keep momentum and keep things friendly and enjoyable. So without any further adieu, please welcome to the moderating team... @Chucktshoes @Grand Torino @CZ9MM @TripleGGG There may likely be more added soon but these gentlemen were gracious enough to volunteer and are now set up as moderators. I have more volunteers to sort through and hope to get that taken care of in the days ahead, so if you had tossed your hat in the ring don't give up yet. I really appreciate all of the interest that has been shown.

Well, it's complicated, I'm in supply (demand side), and it's near impossible to find Berry Amendment compliant clothing anymore. So once we exhaust the search for a USA made item, we have to request a waiver to purchase ones made outside the U.S.