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I spend a week with my mom every other month, and we eat out every day. I go where she wants. That includes Panera, Outback, Cracker Barrel , all three of which have had anti-gun issues in one form or another. Probably some other places. Of course the Kahr in my pocket doesn't care. - OS

You guys seem to have a lot of problems with signs and postings. My eyesight must not be as good as yours.

In my almost 60 years of living I have learned to try to keep my nose on my face. You do as you want, I would have talked to the owner when I worked there, not after I left.

First get together of the original TGO forum.

The people who elected Obama…twice, and voted for Hillary Clinton will seek out gun free zones. So I doubt they will go bankrupt. But that’s just a WAG.

Your wording is a bit off. If there is proof that not all of the ammunition he sold to the shooter is accounted for, then there is a civil case. According to his lawyer (and apparently the FBI), all of the ammunition sold to the shooter by Douglas Haig is accounted for, i.e., none of it has been shot. The current case against Douglas Haig is disconnected from any person that was shot or injured, hence there are no damages. He is being charged for failing to ask the government if he may manufacture ammunition and sell this ammunition. You may actually want to read the court documents, I posted. So, manufacturing and selling ammunition has nothing to do with the 2A? By the way, Marc Victor is a good criminal defense attorney. Also, 2A cases often involve criminal charges. One contentious point will be the the "armor piercing" ammunition language in the charges filed. Depending on how this is argued and the eventual case is decided upon, this could lead to legal precedence on the legality of "armor piercing" rifle rounds. Want to tell me again how this isn't a 2A case? There may still be a civil case against him filed by the MDA loons, just as Lucky Gunner case. Want to tell me again how this isn't a 2A case?

This article didn’t mention it but another article said that the gun was in her backpack and we she dropped the backpack the gun went off. That’s why one of the charges was negligent discharge of a firearm. I guess she was carry a Sig...

Well, to be fair, the regional manager isn't the one who made the officer leave. That was done by a moron manager at the store level, and chances are that moron manager himself/herself agreed with the mentally-ill customer on at least some level otherwise they would have told the mental person that they were being unreasonable, perhaps even insane, and that they should enjoy their Bloomin' Onion, STFU, and leave the officer alone. One would hope that the "appropriate corrective action" taken with the moron manager either imbued them with common sense that they previously did not possess, or gave them clear parameters for correctly dealing with this sort of thing in the future.

This sounds like incidents which have occurred at some other places. I believe Pan-so-and-so Bread was one of them. It's why I won't spend my money at these places. The manager, as well as her boss, was a complete fool for falling for this Bravo Sierra. The complaining customer is apparently suffering from some liberalitis syndrome related mental disease. I bet this same stupid B!@#% wouldn't have said a word had she been in the presence of a table full of armed gang bangin thugs who reeked of weed and who actually DO indiscriminately kill people! This jelly minded piece of fermented bovine scattology sounds just like an antifa type. I'd bet money that this piece of S%^* was absolutely not in any kind of "fear" whatsoever, but saw an opportunity to cause trouble for someone wearing a badge, and his family, and put on the act for that sole purpose. I wish that officer and his family could file AND WIN a crippling lawsuit against outback and that low life customer for the absolutely unnecessary scene that was intentionally acted out for the purpose of causing humiliation to this officer and his family. The D$#%A** manager and her boss should be immediately fired as well. This SH!^BAG society we live in, which has been cultivated since the 60's and ESPECIALLY CULTIVATED DURING THE RECENT 8 YEAR REIN is CONSTANTLY trying to find ways to humiliate and crucify the men and women who stand on the front lines in the towns, cities, and counties on the streets, highways and backroads who not only are here to serve the decent people, but to serve these same pieces of S#$% as well! I know it will NEVER happen, but I sincerely wish that ALL of the decent people in this country would take a stand and walk away from these places and NEVER spend their money again. Let them have their chosen customer base of worthless thugs and antifa types that they have chosen to cater to and wallow in the rewards of their decision.

I've wanted to do this for a long time. I don't even know the total cost yet but I know it wasn't cheap (for me anyway). Build list: Daniel Defense MK18 URG SilencerCo ASR flash hider Spikes Crusader lower receiver Surefire M300c Scout light (500 lumen) with Surefire SR07 remote dual switch and UE tailcap Thorntail SBR scout mount Magpul sling adapter Magpul MS3 Gen 2 coyote sling Geiselle SD3G trigger assembly Trijicon MRO 2 moa red dot American Defense QD mount BCM QD end plate Midwest Industries QD sling attachment Sig SBM4 brace Magpul MOE+ grip Midwest Industries buffer tube assembly Spikes Tactical ST-T2 buffer Seekins Precision bolt catch and mag release button Geissele super charging handle Daniel Defense fixed front sight. Not sure if I want to use the fixed rear as of now. Probably go with flip up rear. Unknown manufacturer ambi safety selector All remaining lower parts were from my stash of extra parts. I don't think I left anything out. I'm really excited to get some time on the range with this setup. The length of the MI buffer tube and the SBM4 brace seem like a good fit for me as of now. I plan on getting a stamp for this lower and leave this setup alone once approved.

I was able to buy my old duty gun because we switched over to Gen 5 G17 in 9mm. This may be a regular old Glock 22 but it saved my life in March 15, 2012. I was able to pick it up today and its now all mine. I wont go into all the detail but when I needed it to fire it did. I was holding it with one hand and standing quite awkward. So for it to run when I needed it to , it shined. I got an Alpha Wolf 40-9mm conversion barrel and even a Glock 17 extractor , and the correct spring and plunger for it to be converted to 9mm. I'll still switch it back over to .40S&W to shoot some here and there but mainly 9mm through it.

Today, I am re-opening The Swamp political forum. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong about things. I was perhaps wrong to completely remove non-specific politics from TGO since it is something that many of you care deeply about and since politics are so interwoven with our lives, especially as gun owners. If you don't want to read about politics, simply avoid that forum. That is how I will handle it for myself and I hope you will do the same. This forum will be different in a few ways: Only Benefactor Members can post a thread or a reply. Anyone can read them but if you want to contribute you're going to have to show us that you are investing something back into the TGO community and aren't just here to stir the political pot. The forum will be password protected. The password will be "I AGREE" which will be a reminder of the fact that you wanted access and agree to conduct yourself in accordance with TGO's rules. If you're going to wallow in the mud, you can't complain later about getting dirty. Because it is password protected, I don't think it will show up in the New Posts activity search. You may have to set up your own Activity Stream to follow that forum if you care about it. If the crux of your thread is could be construed as "hate speech" against a group of people purely on the basis of them being in that group (whether race, gender, sexual inclination, political party affiliation, etc.) you should think hard before posting it. Ask yourself if there is any value in- or hope of- exploring the topic in a civilized manner that moves the ball down the field. If there isn't and your thread will just fan the flames of ignorance, bias or bigotry... we're going to hold you accountable for it. So, why the change of heart? I've been listening. You guys have made it clear that localized discussion of politics is important to you. When I considered it, the reason why was almost too obvious. Politics and gun ownership in any country on this planet are inextricably linked. Politics, gun ownership, and the politics of gun ownership are in fact reasons that this country even exists. Our founding fathers had a different opinion on how men should be governed than did the King, and one of the King's early efforts to shove them back into line was to try and confiscate all of their firearms. The rest is history. While I hope that the majority of politics discussed on TGO relate to the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, it is impossible for me to ignore that people who are passionate enough about their own liberty and safety to own, train with, and license themselves for carry of a gun are going to be prone to talk and want to be involved in all political things. We are, by our very nature, an active group of people. There is a switch within us that has been thrown and refuses to let us just watch events unfold in the political arena without throwing a red flag on the field when we see foul play. The moderating team is still going to pay attention and make sure that discussions about politics don't become divisive and poisonous to the cause of uniting gun owners. Let's make their job easy and not let it turn into that.

Apex has a video on that. Or give them a call for a little coaching

Obviously, you already know the answer.

If you wanted to make a stink then that county or city’s codes and health departments would be the one to contact.

If you can get in a position to clandestinely get the tag number I'd do so. Then have a word with the local police. Surely someone in the congregation has a police contact. It pays to be proactive these days.

I'd mention it to the local PD. He may be casing cars for robbery. The officer may just stop in to do paperwork on Sunday morning once and a while. Sometimes just improving the chance of an officer might be there will keep those with bad intentions on their besT behavior.

All Things Engraved. Over on Carothers by the Puffy Muffin. They have engraved my SBR’s.

The victims include a 15-year-old boy who was shot in the head but is expected to recover, said officials at Los Angeles County + USC Medical Center. He was shot in the temple and was "extremely lucky" that the bullet missed vital structures, said Dr. Aaron Strumwasser, a trauma surgeon. The student remains in intensive care. A 15-year-old girl who was shot in the wrist also was hospitalized. Two other students, ages 11 and 12, suffered graze wounds and were treated and released, Strumwasser said. A 30-year-old woman suffered a minor injury in the chaos after the shooting, officials said.

I bought the gel cups for my Peltor's a couple of months ago after using the standard foam for years....not cheap but was totally worth it. They seal better and are a lot more comfortable, although they can be very cold depending on weather. They are typically about $50 on Amazon, but have seen them drop to $35-40 a couple of times.

Different shooting, the head injury was here in TN I think. There is still a kid in the hospital in TN, not sure if it's a head injury though. The one that died in Vandy was a head injury. This one, the shot hit one, went through and grazed another, the rest were injured in the mayhem of running away.

Game Wardens in certain cases have more jurisdiction than local law enforcement. If they have probably cause that you have poached a deer or other wild game and it is in your house they don't need warrant to search your home and property. In many states the Game Wardens are the law in the woods and on the waters and local law enforcement is their back up. As far as the woman getting upset she was probably looking for a free meal and her 5 minutes of fame which she probably go both. I quit going to to Outback years ago and have never been in a Panera Bread and have 1 two blocks from my house. Someone mentioned they wish that all the law abiding 2nd Amendment people would just quit going to the posted locations 1 of 2 things would happen. The companies would go bankrupt or the signs would come down. I don't see it happening but sure would be nice just to watch the big companies squirm a little.........JMHO

Unless there is solid proof none of it could have been used; there will be a civil suit. He has a job and a lawyer somewhere will want to take his money. If they prove he was manufacturing ammo illegally the punitive damages award would be high if it went to court. This isn’t a 2nd amendment case; he will need a good criminal defense attorney and a good civil lawyer to stay out of prison and have anything left. Heck, it didn’t take but about a week for the lawsuits to start against Mandalay Bay, and they are victims also.

After a series of successful bank jobs, it was decided that a group photo was in order, not only for the memories, but also to promote and sustain team spirit!

It appears to me that it would stop those that immediately leave from being arrested. It wouldn’t help those that want to have an argument/discussion about posting or whether or not their sign is legal. It doesn’t have any requirements on who has to ask you, so until there is some case law I would say it could be a the owner, employee, customer, stranger walking by or a Police Officer. The intent of the law appears to be to make you aware you are in violation. I would also say there is a very good possibility that if the owner called the Police your request to leave may well be accompanied with a Trespass Warning.

'Tis a true cycle. The nice thing about it, though, is that meat is good for you to eat! It's the carbs that most people pack around the meat and on the plate that get you in trouble. So, really, I'm smoking food for my own health.

See 39-17-1350: "(a) Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, any law enforcement officer may carry firearms at all times and in all places within Tennessee, on-duty or off-duty, regardless of the officer's regular duty hours or assignments, except as provided by subsection (c), federal law, lawful orders of court or the written directives of the executive supervisor of the employing agency." (much more, with some exceptions, see full statute, but none of them would seem to prohibit eating at a restaurant, posted or not). - OS

try the Walker Game Ear Razor. Highest protection rating....cool in summer, no pressure on ear.

Try any muffs with gel ear cups. It makes a huge difference. I've gotten spoiled by them and now when I wear regular muffs they drive me nuts. Most 3M muffs wi'll accept replacement gel ear seals, but they aren't cheap at $45ish but worth it.

Check out the Peltor Combat Arms earplugs. Model 97079 You can get them on ebay for $50 for a 10 pack. They discontinued these so they’re a great value and really do work great. I no longer use muffs ! As a bonus these are handy to use when running chain saws, lawnmowers etc. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Funny this is, but think about how many pistols and revolvers were carried for the better part of a century that had NO drop safeties. I think that all those great torture test videos have made the thought of dropping your pistol acceptable. Of course it's not.... that patch could have a 1911, a Ruger Blackhawk, a Luger, and many more pistols on it. Doing stupid things with loaded guns can kill someone. I learned that when I was 4 or 5.

Seems to me it's all the same "innuendo story", just parroted and tweaked by different sites. Beretta 92 got much the same crap early on, when something like just 2 or 3 guns had the slide come off after many thousands of rounds out of all the thousands of guns. Which Beretta remedied. - OS

Well boys.....many of you got the consideration you were hoping for. Hopefully you will be considerate of your fellow TGO members and think before you reply.

Awesome that you were able to get it back!

Seems to me that this is all rumor and hearsay. Everyone here that has a P320 is pretty happy. Every article linked is written to make a point about how bad the military guns are... I wish S&W had won the contract just for patriotic reasons, but the Sig is made in the USA, and they employ a lot of people here for all firearms production. Id feel more outraged if real solders were telling this stuff.

What makes me sad is that there wasn't another customer present to loudly protest how unsafe the mentally-ill customer was making them feel. That would have really made it a circus!

That's great that they backed up ( unwillingly no doubt ), and will allow LEO's to dine there in the future. That does not solve my , and other HCP holders complaint. The 2nd Amendment applies to all, under the Constitution. Liberals should not be allowed to call the shots. I will drive on by..........

I'm sitting here scanning the forum while waiting on my wife to get ready to go eat. At least now I can add another to the list of places we are not going.

Apologizing after getting hammered by the public always ring fake in my ears. A PR nightmare for sure.

So many companies are making it easy to save money. They just got my goodbye email on their crappy website.

You might want to contact your state rep, state senator, and the NRA to get behind HB 2484 / SB 2336. This bill does exactly what some of us have been asking for with these stupid signs by "removing criminal liability for possession on a posted premises by a permit holder who immediately leaves posted premises upon being asked to do so." This bill will not pass without help. If you would like a legal trap to be removed for good people trying to protect themselves, this is a good bill to improve our carry situation.

Got him this am

A tough weekend keeping water open over in northwest Tennessee to look inviting for the millions of ducks that were in the area but we scored a few.

Good late season dove shoot on west TN

Shot this nasty hog with the garand 2 weeks ago. One shot and DRT 240 pounds

Decided to treat myself on a random Wednesday. Not too shabby with just a chunk of meat, a pan, and a stove. Potatoes may look bland, but they have fresh pressed garlic and fresh grated parmesan cheese mixed in.

A TWRA officer in uniform was asked to leave the OutBack Steak House in Cleveland TN last night because he would not leave his pistol in his truck. I wont put his name on here but it is all over face book including the OutBack face book page. Story is the officer went in the restaurant to eat with his wife and after ordering their food the manager came to the table and ask the officer to remove his pistol and leave it in his truck and the officer advised her that he could not do that because he was in uniform and on duty. The manager made a phone call and came back and asked the officer and his family to leave the restaurant. Later the manager called the officer and apologist and said she would send a $100 dollar gift card for area restaurants . The manager stated that a female customer had complained about the officer having a weapon and that the female felt her life was endanger because cops shoot people all the time even went as far as to make the manager escort the customer to her car because she was afraid the officer would be waiting on her in the parking lot. This has gone viral on FB with local news made aware of it also. I call BS on the customer complaint but if it is true I really fell sorry for someone to be that afraid of law enforcement. I will never walk in the door of OutBack. Copied off another forum. I think all law enforcement officers should boycott outback.

I like that the password is all caps to get in. Really sets the tone right out of the gate.

If the store is posted legally, didn't he break the law? If he isn't there for duty reasons, isn't he bound by the same laws as the rest of us? I think the fine is $500.

Don’t y’all make me come up there...