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This is not a jab directed specifically at Guns and More but I am seriously coming to the point where I feel that any gun shop that doesn't secure their building from simple smash and grabs with draw-down security doors and other barricades are just as negligent as anyone who leaves a gun in their vehicle for it to be stolen. I can't believe that any insurance company will even write a policy for a gun shop that doesn't have adequate security in place to prevent quick break-ins like this.

My only Bisley has a picture of a pony on it.

Consider this: Guns & More was started by a couple who took on an immense challenge to compete with big box stores and online retailers. They started in a modest location with one of them working a regular job to pay the bills. Like any businessperson, you have to deal with the cards that are drawn, and put money back where you can. No one on this forum knows whether they were cheap, unthinking, limited by narrow profit margins, or even had a contractor scheduled to arrive tomorrow to secure the site. Starting a business and growing it - particularly a brick & mortar gun shop - is not at all easy, and the way some sound it should only be attempted by the rich.

I just got the phone call that my buck mount from last year is done!

Please don't put words in my mouth. I said there are costs associated with being in business. For gun shops, some of those costs are currently optional. The more prolific these robberies become, and the trend does seem to be on the rise, I predict that those costs will be made mandatory by either the BATFE or by those underwriting insurance policies. Like I've said repeatedly, I am not throwing rocks at Guns n' More. This same thing has happened several times lately to other shops. Everything Weapons had draw-across security gates on their shop and a couple of scumbags took it upon themselves to defeat that by ramming a van through the storefront. The only way to make that more difficult is by putting stanchions in concrete across the building facade. And even then a determined crook is going to find a way in if he really wants in. My point is: Make your guns more difficult to obtain than some other nearby target of opportunity. How expensive is it to buy a length of steel cable and route it through all of your firearm trigger guards and then bolt that down to something in each display case, or anchor it to the floor or to the wall? But, being critical of what I saw in those photos of their shop, they have rifles hanging on peghooks on walls. I would guess they were too bulky for a quick getaway, and that's the only reason handguns were reportedly stolen, and not rifles. If you're not going to have any more physical security than plate glass windows, you probably should figure out other ways to make your firearms less movable.

Man, my mom hated those folks back in the day She was certain their catalog put me on several lists before the internet was a thing. That said, if a kid tried half the things we did as kids today they’d undoubtedly be on the watchlist. But, looking back with fondness, Ragnar Benson, Loompanics and Paladin Press all contributed to my delinquency as a minor.

Here's my thoughts on this: It costs money to be in business. If you're going to be in certain businesses, it costs more money in certain additional areas than it does to be in other businesses. Online retailers are going to be a competitor practically regardless of what business you are in. That's a fact of life in the year 2017. Anyone who tries to ignore that should look at how former retail behemoths like Sears and K-Mart fared against online businesses by ignoring their potency. As for the subject of gun shops... ANY gun shops... being broken into and firearms being stolen from them: Any time it happens, more guns go into criminal hands and that plays into the narratives of bureaucrats everywhere. The same goes for folks who leave guns in their cars and don't take additional precautions to secure them in some way. If you're going to leave a gun in your car, there are ways to secure it against quick smash n' grab robberies. The same goes for firearms in stores or firearms left in your house when you aren't home. Again, I am not throwing rocks at Guns n' More. I have this gut feeling someone's going to accuse me of that sooner or later. Their misfortune is simply the impetus to talk about this.

A few years ago, well, many years ago, I delved into the realm of the Ruger Bisley. I had this one made up from a Ruger Blackhawk, a .45 Colt: A friend of mine also got into the Bisley, but in a much bigger way. He went so far as to orchestrate some custom models, such as this one here: After Skeeter Skelton's death, he bid on one of Skeeter's Bisleys, and got it: The one at the top belonged to Skelton. Here, with authentication from Skeeter's widow: This gun was displayed in the photograph of Shooting Times with the article introducing the Bisley. My friend was Tommy Russell, and some time later Tommy's wife died and I have lost contact with him. Bob Wright

My workplace is going from Glock 22's to Glock 17's starting next month. Not sure if it will be Gen 4 or Gen 5 but they are staying with Glock.

For you hunters who have overnight travel to your leases. LOL. Got this in an email

Even if it was three or four times that amount, there must be consideration for the product being protected. I mean, haven't we seen 3 of these smash and grabs from small stores here locally where they just had to bust out a window and run off with some guns?

Swift and public executions of those guilty of firearm related crimes would negate this type of thing better than bars and alarms.

If I owned a gun store and was talking with a building owner about renting their building I would make it clear up front that what security measures I plan on taking to protect my merchandise and if the building owner declined my security measures I would find someplace else to open my Gun Store. Store Security would be my primary goal before I opened my doors for business...........jmho!

Let’s try this another way. Click on the link to Taurus armed and in a post there are several B27 PDF Options that I was able to download and print. Here is the B27 red center. Taurusarmed

Oh I'm not worried at all. I got put in my place years ago. My father shot competitively in the '60s. I could never come close to his scores. He shot 50 yard 22 pistol with a High Standard Olympic in 22 short, and did that better than I could at 15 yards. He considered nickel size groups a bad day. I still have the Olympic, it's a joy to shoot.

Had all three . Love my p320 sold the others . Trigger is far better imo . Extremely easy to take apart go shoot em

Well after an almost 13 month wait here she is. All I have is a very lackluster cell phone pic, but it gets the point across Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

As a 20-year veteran of the printing biz, I'm not at all surprised, but... great opportunity to add to your bookshelf on the cheap! http://www.paladin-press.com/ All manner of titles that may be of interest to folks here, from combat techniques, ammunition and ballistics, M&P, Self-Defense, etc., etc., etc. - K

Guess they are trying to salvage that model after the issues. https://www.sigsauer.com/promotions/myp320-photo-video-contest/?utm_source=Sig+Emails&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MYP320-CONTEST&utm_content=P320+Contest

I think we used to have a member here who went by that as his screen name. Might still. It's such a great word. Edited to add... Yep, he's still an active member! @Schadenfreude

Glad to see local PD finally got some sense and got off the .40S&W bandwagon when 9mm works very well.

My daughter and I hit a local range several times a month. We always end the session with Battleship. Or as the targets are called Sink-a-Sub. I shoot the top with a G19. She shoots the bottom with her M&P 22 compact. She can hit any part of the bullseye, I have to hit red. She has been shooting handguns for about two months now. As I have posted before she is a well awarded rimfire/airrifle rifle shooter. This is at 5 yards. She demanded I amend this, as this was the first time I won. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

A disarmed populace, how well that has worked out in the past for the populace??

heck, they don't even need to go lexan, security film has been around for years and years and is a fraction of the cost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96x2tO9Xuxw

Since I think he is surrounded by snow so he will be an easy target. I think he is just trying to stay warm..........JMHO

I believe that with all my heart but so far I have not heard of one person that has done a break in and stole Guns has be caught so it's hard to hold public executions until they catch someone first!!!............JMHO

It's not always that simple. In retail there's the old saying, "Location, location, location!" Retail space in choice areas have many considerations to take into account making your choices quite limited many times.

I get it. Having dealt with retail property owners, I can give a W.A.G. that they look at it as a window is a lot cheaper to replace than to modify the property and then return it back to normal condition if the tenant does not renew their lease or defaults on it. They couldn't care less about the losses of the tenant.

Local gun store are already struggling to compete with the big boys online. Increasing their costs won’t help. There are things that could be done to help catch these guys. But because several Counties are involved it will require a group effort. Early morning hours with not much moving is risky; my guess is they are feeding a drug habit.

On another note, obviously there is no sure fire way to protect everything, but am thoroughly impressed with the measures that royal range has in place. Not going to mention any specifics, but it seems like they are upgrading this or that on a regular basis that you would notice if you visit frequently.

Heard on the news the other day that there is consideration in the alphabet agency to start requiring certain security measures for gun shops.

A possibility for sure which is why I am not jabbing at them, but this has happened a lot lately to several stores. Guns and More is the latest. If I were a building owner, I'd insist that a gun shop in my property had enough visible security in place to deter people from wrecking my building for a casual smash n' grab like this. Of course not everyone thinks like I do and some building owners might throw a hissy fit about the necessary security facilities being put in place.

Glock all day. They just work and have a proven track record. The Honda Civic of firearms. I'm going to fanboy until I get a 2.0 Compact or the company pisses me off. M&Ps are good but I'm too invested in Glocks. Not a Smith fan either but they do it for some people. Sig is getting there. They sold a crap ton of them but some parts breakages are there. Then the trigger issue came up. They are going to be the future due to the modularity but have to get the kinks worked out. Think of them as the Gen 4 Glocks. Everyone is going to talk crap but 99% will never have an issue. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

There’s a few select folk in the Williamson county ares group with extensive install experience. Wcares.org if you’d like more info Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Gallatin PD is dumping their Glocks for the Beretta APX, but that was expected. Home town and all.

The first attempt at a ghillie suit?

Except he's Turkish, with a captured M91 ...

Yes, I’m from a rural area. Grew up outside a town of 4,000 people, but about 20 miles from a town of 40,000 people. When we lived in Maryville, TN from 2011 to 2014, we lived about 8 miles from town out off Highway 129 (not far from The Dragon). I love being out in the country, which is why we’re looking at areas a good ways away from Jackson. We are actually looking into buying a house with at least 20 acres (40 preferably). Likely sometime this summer. We have to sell our house here in Missouri first though. I really want some deer hunting land & a good spot to build me a gun range. I’m not settling for any less than that. We are still looking hard at the Lexington area. My wife talked to a lady at City Hall on the phone today & she was really nice. We are also combing areas north of Lexington too (north of I40). I can’t be too far north though. I’m interviewing for a job that will have me covering Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, & possibly Georgia & Florida. Trying to keep my drive time down, even if it’s just 30 minutes less. Of course, if I find my dream home up by Paris or something, I’m not going to let 30 minutes get in my way.

Change those first two plays to "Eddie up the middle" and you have Jeff Fisher's playbook.

For anyone who would like to try shooting Rastoff's Challenge yourself -- don't spend money buying B-27 centers. I have a PDF that can be printed on 8.5x11 paper. Send me a private message with your email address and I'll send you the PDF. Be prepared to be made humble. This is a hard test. Cheers, Whisper

I had totally forgotten about this until yesterday while I was visiting with my mother. She has been going through old family photos and this caught my eye as I strolled by a table scattered with various stacks. My older sister is on the left, two cousins in the middle and me on the right with my Johnny Eagle Break Action Over and Under. I wish I still had that toy shotgun and maybe not the style but the amount of hair!! I guess I was destined to be a shotgunner at an early age but didn't figure that out until almost 40 plus years later. c.1967

Got my Gear Head Works Tailhook today! Soon to be installed!

I'd shoot that.

This weekend with the VP9. In case you want to try this event yourself, it's called Rastoff's Challenge, and it comes from a shooting instructor who hangs out at the S&W Forum. It's a 20-round exercise fired on a B-27 center. 4 shots at 3 yards 6 shots at 5 yards 6 shots at 7 yards 4 shots at 10 yards No time limit; take as much time as you want between shots, and for the entire string of 20 rounds. All shots must be inside the X-ring, i.e., no breaking the line. You must shoot the test cold (no warmups) and no more than once per day. It's not easy. I have probably shot it 20 times this year and this is my first passing score. Have fun, Whisper

I mostly agree with this but dammit all to hell I’ve been hoping for a better next season for years and am getting about tired of it.

I'm glad they spent the enormous resources building nearly useless crap like these rail guns instead of more tanks and airplanes.

The rear handguard and broken forearm will cost about $140 to replace if you get them from here: https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewcategories.asp?idCategory=62 and then it might be the devil to get all the wood to match. The forearm could be repaired if you were so inclined and had the talent to so so. Considering that and assuming it is all matching numbers with good bore condition I wouldn't pay too much more than $250 as it is, or at least try not too. That's just my opinion. But if it's the boss I would through a few extra $$ at it, you know, to promote a harmonious work environment.

Right? I mean, leave it to the Germans. Theirs is one of a few languages in which you can shout "I LOVE YOU!" at someone and it sound absolutely terrifying.

Oh, I can't see this going terribly wrong for them at all. My suppressed schadenfreude is already tingling at the idea of YouTube videos exploiting the "drop-fire" issue for comedic value.

Do you just put a guy in overalls soaked in Hoppes 9 and let him crawl tgrough?