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Guys, Mac and I spoke earlier and we agreed to unlock this thread. We all need a place to voice our thoughts, concerns, and angst as we process this event and work through it as a nation. My only request is that we try to steer clear of the conspiracy theories and keep "Occam's Razor" in mind. If you're not familiar, Occam's Razor is the idea that when presented with an array of possible solutions or answers, the most simple one is statistically going to be the correct one. If we can please allow the conspiracy theorist websites to corner the market on far-fetched ideas, and stick to discussing more plausible things, and not turn against each other due to stated or perceived political beliefs, then this thread can continue. It's not us against each other here.

Getting closer to the perfect carry package. Folded it is 19", open it is 29" with the muzzle being just over 26" so it is VFG safe. Sight radius is now 13" and the AR sight works very well with AK front sight. 4 piece comp works the best with this short barrel., very little concussion. Reworked, crisp 2.5 pound trigger.

If you do nothing else, go to Arlington National Cememtary. No more humbling place in America.

Let me assure you that Khobar and RIyadh or Bangalore feel far different. Enjoy your time there. The architecture is amazing. And, there are very few collections of national treasures that can match the Smithsonian. Br aware of your surroundings, but enjoy yourself. Life is way too short to do otherwise.

Hmmm. It’s almost like the GOP doesn’t care much about guns either. We’ve seen it here in Tennessee despite a supermajority. I don’t know why we’d expect much different in Washington.

Never been there, cannot give a personal observation. What color is American? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You know, I'm going to close this thread. I often say we can talk about big issues - but I'm not sure that's true. At least on some issues. There are a lot of voices in this thread that while I disagree with them on this particular issue, I also really respect them. We've shared meals together. We've helped people in this community together. Or maybe we've simply shot together or conversed about a range of topics over the years. We might see this issue or any of a variety of issues differently, but we can still share a meal together and respect one another. But, we've had an influx of voices of late that don't bring anything of value to this community. It's a minority, but they're drowning out a lot of other voices by shouting down people with differing opinions. Maybe it's the constant berating that guests seem to get on "news" shows these days. Maybe it's the anonymity of social media. Maybe it's none of the above causing this. But it's detrimental to this community. I've sat on my hands for the last several months tolerating a few voices - not wanting to make it look like I was overstepping my authority by booting someone with whom I disagreed on a topic - political or otherwise. That was a mistake. Maybe we'll open this back up at some point. I doubt the issue is going to go away anytime soon. Regardless, I'm not sure it's worth it to discuss it here.

I’m going to hit the pause button on this thread for a little while. Speculation isn’t helpful. Conjecture does nothing for the reputation of this community at large. We talk about how the media constantly gets things wrong but then go off the rails ourselves. I recognize this is a place for discussion, but we need to elevate the dialog a bit. I know this solution is not perfect, but that’s why I’m pausing this a bit Today we mourn the dead and wounded. We pray for the victims and their families. I’ll open it back up at some point as more reliable information becomes available.

I found this on another site which is a fishing site but also offers a hunting section. Hope ya'll enjoy it as much as I did!! http://bit.ly/2w56SDK

That was one evil son of a bitch. I hope it took him a few minutes to die.

Link for pic source?

Is anyone really suprised? When has the federal government ever repealed or relaxed a law concerning firearms and accessories? BTW, you can't argue the '94 "assault weapons ban" as it was only a temporary law that was not renewed.

Y’all know my position on this. When they finally come for the guns, it will be because the GOP blessed it. No politician is in favor of an empowered people.

With Laminate, you CANNOT glue or fasten down. Laminate is meant to float with 1/8"-1/4" expansion on all sides. If you have a warped piece of laminate, it is a defect and SHOULD be replaced. Laminate was manufactured as an engineered product specifically NOT to warp, cup or bow. So, you could have a buckle in the laminate or a flex in the subfloor. IF you can visually see a 'hump' or 'rise' in the floor, yet the subfloor seems to be flat, i would think your laminate is buckled because there isn't enough expansion. If you can't see a 'hump' or 'rise', then you might have an issue with the subfloor. 3 fixes: 1, replace floor. 2, pull quarter-round (or finish molding) to check for proper expansion gap. 3, would be to check subfloor from underneath as suggested and possible inject a 'filler', NOT GLUE. Sorry, i don't post much (at all really), but i offer advice when i can. BTW-15 years in flooring.

We lost a great one. He will certainly be missed. He was an artist that was able to find that sweet spot to appeal to a wide audience. Not too hard, not too soft, catchy enough riffs to make your toe tap, interesting lyrics. His later albums started leaning more towards the Blues genre, which is where my musical tastes started drifting, so Tom's music grew with me. Plus he was a Florida boy like me. RIP, Tom.

Monkey, ours will do that but we aren't up there everyday. Our egg laying birds have a coop that has several large runs fenced in. They go out into the runs every day and back in the coop at night. The meat birds are in the tractors to keep them safe, allow them to browse fresh grass every other day or so and fertilize the pasture. They do an amazing job of prepping the dirt. It takes a couple of weeks for them to move 30-40 feet. When they've gone that far I till up the dirt and plant various cover crops that I use to build soil health. The land was used for hay production for years and so depleted of nutrients that the only way to get hay to grow the last 5-6 years was with heavy applications of chemical fertilizer. So the meat birds and the turkeys chug their way across the land a little every day spreading happy poop. I wish I'd done this last year. I threw a lot of money away trying to broadcast seed cover crops. I had very poor germination and for any decent cover crop it cost about $100 per acre. Now that the birds are introducing fertility I can till a little at a time and do a much more controlled seeding. I've gone from about 5% success to near 100% and I get really great tasting poultry. The ladies in the coop are doing their part as well. I alternate which runs they are allowed in and grow crops in the closed off runs. I need to get some time to post some pics. I stuck about 15 bales of hay in one of their runs and they had a blast being chickens and scratching at it. Now, roughly 3 months later that hay has degraded into a nice thin layer of topsoil with lots of fertility. it will get tilled soon and a crop seeded to overwinter. It's been a lot of work but I've learned a lot. I can't wait to get up there full time. Mark

This is not exactly correct. In raw numbers, yes, police do kill more whites than blacks but whites are four times the population of blacks. When you look at the per capita rates, black folks make up 13% of the population and are 26% of the number of folks killed by police. When you compare the percentage of folks killed by police to their percentage of the population, blacks are killed by police at a rate 2.5 times that of white folks. And for the record, nobody is disrespecting the flag or the country, they are just asking the country to stand up for them before they stand up for it. Until then they will kneel and some like me will pray while kneeling that this country begins to actually live up to the ideals it purports to hold dear.

Well lets see. One next door neighbor is black. The other is Egyptian. And, the only ones threatening violence is a group of white liberals (Antifa). I think the air may be getting a little thin up on that high horse.

Because they don't want to. They know.

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I'm sure a ton has already been figured out, but this was the worst mass shooting in our history. Any information we see will be released after a series of calculated decisions.

As others have said, it's Vegas. A lot of luggage, or hard plastic cases on wheels for only one person aren't out of the ordinary. Think of how many large scale trade shows & conventions come through town a year, and how much stuff an individual working the show for their company has to lug around for it. Very easy to hide a cache like this guy had in plain sight in that town.

I've had a hard time putting into words how I feel about this one. It's not that the previous shootings were any less horrific but this one is just a new level of disturbing for me. The planning that went into this one is unlike anything we've seen in the past. It's also the first time since the 60's that we've seen someone fire from an elevated position. Those poor people simply had nowhere to hide. Most probably couldn't even tell where the bastard was shooting from. As Oh Shoot said, I'm having a hard time understanding what would cause a retired guy in his 60's to do something like this. By all indications, he has lived a normal life up until this point. It's terrifying to know that there are others out there like this guy that will ultimately do something just as horrific, if not worse, and there really isn't anything we can do about it. It's a sad day when every mass gathering becomes a potential target for people like this. I fear it will only get worse.

I'm starting to lean that way too, and believe that is the reason the 'left' is coming out even harder than they did after Sandy Hook - in an attempt to control the topic narrative. Don't want the discussion to be about a liberal doing this, the headlines need to be guns guns guns, clips clips clips, background checks background checks background checks.

Sad day for us all, I have no words to express what I am feeling about this evil act.

Leaked -- well, no. Releasing these photos was a carefully thought out decision.

Easy, because it is Vegas. I am sure the maid has seen a lot worse than some guy with a lot of bags. Still sticking with my guess that he was a radicalized liberal. At least it would be like most of the previous mass shooters if he was. Telling you, it is a disease.

I'll pay the transfer fee!

Come by and check it out. This is what that M92 almost became.

Very nice selections you have there Bob.

National air and space museum. Always a great venue for learning.

Hello neighbor, my parents live on their farm right off E. Brushy Valley.

I recently bought my first 45 Colt/45 ACP Ruger Redhawk 4.2 inch barrel thinking I would shoot mostly ACP with the moon clips and quickly learned to love the more powerful Colt round. So Far I have sent the cylinder off and had it reamed to .4525 and changed the main spring and wow what a fine shooter it is.

He stood his ground and didn't back down...rip Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If you ever wanted to see what goes on inside a suppressor, here's some interesting slow-mo footage of suppressors with a clear casing. Short version: There's also an Extended Version of this session. One of the cans has an interesting baffle design, and while it seems quite effective on retaining gas flow, it makes me wonder how much that increases back pressure.

Bravo Foxtrot Sierra, I say if you do not stand for the Flag and the Country you will fall for anything. This protest is a good example and some have fallen for it.

A lot of people blame protest movements for their lack of "cause" or unified voice. It's nothing new - reread King's Letter from a Birmingham Jail and you'll find ministers black and white at the time accusing him of the same. With that in mind, it's worth reading the Philadelphia Eagles' Malcom Jenkins in the Washington Post yesterday: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-protesting-nfl-players-like-me-want-to-do-next/2017/09/30/507fc4b0-a513-11e7-b14f-f41773cd5a14_story.html?utm_term=.5a9301eab813

I am about sick and tired of quotes from "officials who cannot comment publicly".

Yep. I imagine in the coming days we will find out that a significant portion of the injuries and possibly even fatalities were due to crush and stampede injuries as opposed to gunfire.

Well, if 500+ people were counted as casualties, some of those people may have sprained an ankle while running, etc. Some of them would have likely just been nicked with a round on a leg/arm, etc and that bullet would still have had enough energy to harm the person behind them as well. However, 200 rounds seems low compared to the reports of multiple rifles, etc. Also, an M-16 has a rate of fire of about 700–950 rounds/min cyclic. If he truly was using a trigger crank mechanism, I imagine the cyclic rate would be lower but still in the hundreds. Even accounting for mag and possibly weapon changes, it seems he would have burned through 200 rounds in a matter of a moment or two. So with that said, who has found any reputable source for exactly how long, from start to the last shot, that he was shooting?

I keep hearing 200 rounds being thrown around, I highly doubt they have a full count yet, but if so that would mean pass-throughs and ricochets accounted for the higher number and some of the injured are probably not due to gun fire.

Actually many of us are. We are talking about the protest, the flag, racism, and what we can do to make this county better. I've discussed these things with friends, family, neighbors, strangers, and on various message boards. Many of these folks are fellow vets. We don't all agree, just like here, but we are talking about it. And that is a good thing. Sure, there are plenty of folks who have their undies bunched up about the method of protest, but once you get past that, and discuss the reason for the protests, the dialog begins. John, even you are discussing this right here in this thread.

You know, I've spent a lot of time this week thinking about this and praying about it some. I spent some time over in Paris, Tennessee this week talking with some folks who were upset about the protests, but who also had an apt observation that "the stuff players are protesting was outside of their day-to-day experience." They see these issues on the news some - but it's a long way away when you really don't get that far out of Henry county that often. I think something liberals, intellectuals, city folk and even some of the conservative press do poorly is just assume that everyone should "get it" when that's not a given. Life is way different in Nashville than it is just 75 miles away - whether that's Paris, Red Boiling Springs or Pulaski. It's not a fair argument to assume both sides are working from the same vantage point - and both sides will likely end up resenting one another. But, one thing is increasingly clear - and that is tribalism in America is being exploited by the political class as a whole to divide us - not unite us. It's a disturbing trend where the public is being manipulated on so many fronts - and both parties are guilty of this. But, one question that I've really been struggling with this week is, what does it say about our country when some folks try to start a conversation about racism in America today and it gets turned into a debate about love for our country itself?

They are starting a dialog between people about a difficult subject, just like we are doing in this thread.

I really didn't want to comment in this thread, because some of you just don't know when to stop. Your statement caught my eye because it pretty much explains why people are protesting. I'm not going to say that everyone who has a negative interaction with the cops is a law abiding citizen, The protest are occurring because people of color are dying for minor or out right bogus infractions after interactions with law enforcement. Even with video, people of color still don't get the benefit of doubt. As far as athletes go, even their millions don't exempt them from mistreatment. Their money also doesn't isolate their kids and relatives from rouge cops. I don't blame you for being tone deaf. It seems that the majority of the country suffers from the same ailment. The people complaining/protesting have endured this behavior for generations. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it's not happening. As long as some of you want to pretend that this issue is about the anthem and the flag, you'll be shadow boxing. If you truly believe that all Americans deserve equal protections under the law, you'll help pressure the justice department to actively investigate the mistreatment and killings of minorities at the hands of officers of the state.

Can you go from the underside and shim the subfloor? Or drill the subfloor and put some leveler in from the bottom.

I admire your stamina. For me, there comes a time when you just sit back, read, shake your head and move on. Nothing like a bunch of freedom lovers attempting to restrict the freedoms of others. I'm a veteran, and protest don't bother me at all, but I'm a liberal commie. Besides it's no fun not being able to talk about 45 and the wonderful job he's doing. It's almost as if he doesn't exist.

That's counter to the ability of folks to get outraged over this. Every time black folks have tried to speak up and protest about the need for police reform they've been told to do it differently. And now that some are using their platform to engage in a quiet, peaceful, nonviolent protest, it's being twisted into a nonsensical claim it is disrespectful to troops. I mean, I wish folks would just be honest and say what they really are thinking. "Shut up monkeys and entertain me. You're supposed to be dancing, not thinking!"

Nothing wrong with them. The problem is to be legally posted you have to have them listed every x feet along your property line. It can get expensive. Plus people tear them down and then you are not legally posted. Much cheaper and harder to remove if it is just paint.