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I've said it before, I'll say it again as many times as it takes. If you really want to do something effective about drug use/abuse then you will stop treating a health issue as a criminal one. I know it will be totally counterintuitive, especially to some of the LE types, but the true path forward is legalization.

Everything about this incident was horrible - including the trial.

They made alcohol illegal, the mob got rich. They make weed, coke, and all kinds of other stuff illegal, the cartels are rich (is 'cartel' spanish for 'mob'? Dunno...) If people want it, they're going to get it. Doesn't matter what it is, ask any hooker you meet! - K

I'm a big fan of those too. I have a few of them.

It's been 4 years since I've been here and sold most of my guns. Started buying again so figured I'd build my first AR. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Actually there was a sister gun to the 85 which was the 86 but is completely rare and both the 85 and 86 were replaced by the Thunder Plus. The 85&86 were discontinued in 1994 and the Thunder Plus was introduced in 1995. The only real difference in the 85 and 86 was in the grip. Where the 85 has somewhat squared off grips the 86 had a more rounded grip but not much else. I can't see much difference in the Thunder Plus and the 85's. I think I read that there was about 1 ounce difference in loaded weight and the Thunder had the advantage of being the lighter of the 2. I hunted high and low for a back up magazine and anyone that has them are keeping them. I talked with my gunsmith about the issue. He told me to let him look and see what he could find and asked me if I could leave the 85 with him a couple days so I did. About a week later he called me up and told me to come by when I had time. I stopped in that afternoon. He took me down to the range and he went three 3 different mags one being the original and 2 others that he had purchased and modified just a very little and they worked perfectly just as the original did. They were the Thunder Plus magazines that he altered just a tad to make them work. I went through a box of ammo trying them out myself and paid him and left with now having 3 magazines for my 85.

As a former cop, im a law and order type guy. Do the crime do the time. But the drug issue is killing us. Lock 'em up aint working. It may be right, but it just aint working. Eliminating the source aint working either. I hate to not have a solution, but its taking over our country, between coming across the borders and #### being made right here...I bet 90 % of the crime in this country is drug related directly or indirectly.

Look at Tork Mags G-block. I put up a thread a few weeks ago about it. Haven't been able to put any more ammo through mine since then though. Hope this helps.

Was the 85 the predecessor to the Thunder Plus? Better same worse?

Just for clarity: What you picture is bullet setback. Not good of course as it raises pressure of the round considerably. A squib is an underpowered load causing the bullet to remain in the barrel after firing. - OS

This is an actual conversation I heard between two young men (looked to be 18-20) in line at Food City. Guy 1: Well it looks like Trump is trying to get us into war with North Korea or Russia Guy 2: Yeah, he is trying his best to pick a fight with them 1: Who would you rather go to war with? 2: Russia defiantly, North Korea has like 1000 missiles!! 1: I know they would blow us all up. I just had to walk away and go to a different line before I grabbed them by the nape of the neck and shook some sense into them!!!! I probably had smoke coming out of my ears. How does someone get to be a legal adult and still be that stupid???????

Asking how many guns someone owns goes right in there with asking a woman how much she weighs. Its just bad form.

Just for pedantic accuracy, it's $10 per 4473, not per firearm. - OS

I got $50 burning a hole in my pocket. That would "partially fund" the Swiss

I will be coming up from Nashville.

For handguns, being largely a revolver fan, I like the ones that go 'BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG'. Or 'BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG' in the case of five shots. When it comes to standard capacity semi-automatics, I like the ones that go 'BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG + BANG'. Now as for rifles, shotguns and such, I like the ones...aw, nevermind.