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Today is for remembering the attack and reflecting on the destruction and loss of life on American soil by twisted ISLAMIC terrorists. You've got another 364 days of every year to lament our subsequent loss of liberty and weep for the poor denizens of middle eastern countries that support this kind of crap.

It saddens me to see where we are as a nation on this 15th Anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Immediately following September 11th, 2001, the nation seemed united. People were proud to fly the flag - everywhere. The Sunday after 9/11, churches across the country were full to a capacity normally only seen during Christmas and Easter. We were all joined together in sorrow, anger, patriotism and resolve. Today? Today spoiled brat NFL players will "take a knee" instead of standing for our national anthem. Police and Fire departments have been made to remove the flag from their patrol cars and fire trucks because it might be offensive to someone. Useful idiots trip over themselves trying to appease radical Muslims rather than acknowledging that you cannot barter with cancer; cancer must be eradicated. Back when I was in elementary school, some 35 years or so ago, when you got punched in the face by a bully you didn't forget what it felt like. It hurt like hell and you remembered it. You did something about it. You never forgot it. I don't forget the first kid who punched me in the face. I whipped his ass for it and he never did it again. I don't forget the punch we took in the face as a country either. We whipped some ass for that also, but the bully hasn't learned his lesson yet. Does America have the resolve to finish the job? I honestly don't think we do. And maybe that's the thing that saddens me the most about this 9/11.

I don't do bill of sales period. I'm not giving some random person my personal information. It's not required by law and there are plenty of people who will sell or buy without one.

I've given likes to both David's and ChuckTShoes' first posts in the thread, as they both are valid in their somewhat conflicting ways. But Garufa's best sums up my sentiment for this very day itself. - OS

Well said.

Perhaps I miss the point of your post, or perhaps you live in the wrong damn country.

I prefer to remember everything we've lost due to 9-11, not just the stuff we saw on TV.

I will never forget! Its just hard to believe its been 15 years.

So am I. But I do watch the time a bit. Like to know when the wife is due so I can fake looking busy.

I'm a higher roller, my favorite Timex is closer to the 30 clam range. - OS

Exactly this. My personal information isn't required by law and is none of your business. I'll show my HCP and/or driver's license but no more.

I used to enjoy reading all the posts on TGO, not so much any more.

It was rather serendipitous when I saw a local gentleman and member of this community post this Sig P320 Compact 9mm for sale last weekend. I had actually commented to @MacGyver the preceding Friday that if I didn't end up buying a P320 over the holiday weekend, I was going to be greatly surprised. Maybe it was a premonition of good things to come. Mac asked me what it was about the P320 that had struck my interest and I responded that it was more or less just "boredom" but that wasn't entirely true. While I am prone to wanting to try new things, I think what had really gotten my curiosity up was the sheer number of good things that were being said about these guns on all of the various social media outlets over the past year. The P320 came out at around the same time as the Heckler & Koch VP9 and having just received one of those from an extremely generous member of the forum ( @LawEnforcementSalesTN ) I was reluctant to add another horse to the stable that I would have to equip and feed. While I still have the VP9 and a slew of other striker-fired 9mm handguns, the P320 remained at the back of my mind as something that I would eventually need to try out for myself. The time was finally right, the conditions were favorable, and luck smiled upon me. Today I had a chance to take it out to Charlie Haffner Memorial Range and run a few boxes of Freedom Munitions re-manufactured 9mm FMJ through it. It took me a few rounds to figure out how it preferred my thumbs to lay and how much trigger finger was required to keep it accurate, but once I did both of those things it ran flawlessly and was capable of better accuracy than I was. Through the course of 150 rounds, I experienced no failures to feed or failures to fire. By the time I was 50 rounds into it, I had figured it out and was dropping rapid strings of fire into a 2" group at 14yds. If I slowed down and really focused on the front sight, sub 1" groups at the same distance were entirely possible and entirely satisfying. The gun is simply a shooter. I think the only immediate changes that I will make to it will be the updated slide-stop lever and updated grip module with the raised fence around said stop lever. As a Glock shooter for the past 20 years now, my thumbs naturally sit high on the frame and point forward. This causes my VP9 to fail to lock on an empty slide as I inadvertantly ride the release lever, and does the exact same thing with the P320. Thankfully Sig has identified this as a problem worth fixing and has released those two components to address it. I will give it a few more boxes of ammo to be satisfied, but will be ordering a good leather IWB holster for it soon from TT Gunleather so that, should I get the urge, I can work it into my carry rotation from time to time.

But are we remembering the fallen, or are we remembering that "some filthy towelheads did that to us" so that we can also remember we're supposed to hate them?

You can mark the date and remember the fallen while at the same time deploring the more egregious consequences we inflicted on ourselves in response to it. The two aren't mutually exclusive, and both have their place so long after that fateful day.

When it's used to keep jingoistic emotional sentiment stirred up to justify never ending military action and the continued chipping away at civil liberties, you're absolutely correct that it qualifies as milking that long desicated cow for every last drop.

I'll never forget that the events of that day were used by our politicians to justify stripping us of freedoms and the indiscriminate murder of millions of middle easterners and servicemen and women from countless nation's armies.

It's no exaggeration to say this event changed the course of my life in both the short and long term with all that came after. But today I'll pause to remember those taken from us, and those who ran into the danger to save lives at ground zero.

I can appreciate conceptually what walthermitty is proposing. I think Dave nailed the primary obstacle, and that is fear of litigation & liability. Another obstacle is commitment of the group members. Although, from prior experiences, a person making a financial commitment is more likely to follow though than one not making the financial commitment. My experience has shown people value more what they pay for than what they "get for free". It's human nature I guess. I am not disparaging gleaning knowledge from friends and associates that want to share their talents. By all means please take advantage of that and appreciate the gift that it is. I was very fortunate some years back to be a member of a truly dedicated core training group that Gomez ran back in Baton Rouge. We met every Monday evening to train for a couple of years. (It was a 220 mile round trip for me and worth every minute of the time). But it wasn't until Paul started charging, a very nominal fee of $10.00, that we saw folks start taking ownership of their commitment and consistently show up for the classes...$10.00! Like I said, human nature is strange...we value what we value... And speaking of value...Professional training, while the cost may seem like a lot of money for a set time frame, quality professional training is truly an invaluable commodity imho. That quality professional training imparts correct methodology and concepts for you to work and improve on your on. It merely opens the door for "learning". You still have to do the work. But can more readily, and correctly, insure you are doing the acts correctly. Our perceptions of what we do vs what we actually do aren't always in alignment... Video yourself working drills or dry fire and watch honestly. It can be humbling. Coordinating members schedules can and will be a challenge. But it's worth the effort. We have some very knowledgeable members here at TGO that have a lot to offer from their various backgrounds and experiences. If I was in the area I would make every effort I could to hook up with Dave and take advantage of his kind offer. That pretty darn awesome Dave! Videos, CD, DVD's or whatever they call it nowadays can be very beneficial...but caveat emptor...some are quality, some are just marketing hype...View them together as a group with a critical and questing eye. Ask: What are my goals? Does this material apply to me and the realistic scenarios that apply to my life and situations? Is the material reproducible under stress and under pressure? Be critical...beware... Just one more thought on professional training. Once you've experienced quality professional training I think you'll realize just what a true value it is. Ammo is expense. Training time is valuable. Quality professional training will truly gain you the most bang for your buck. I am not a trainer, but I am eternally a student. I humbly appreciate those that have shared their knowledge with me and will always try and pay that forward.

That is totally not the kinda MJ Dealer I first thought of.

I originally was introduced to the FR-8 through a video posted by Sootch and then Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons and InRange TV (both YouTube channels) did a more in depth review. I had never seen or heard of this particular gun, and a quick gunbroker search yielded very few examples up for sale, so I assumed it was a more rare thing to come by. These are basically original Spanish large ring Mauser rifles that were cut down, re chambered and modified to become trainer rifles for the CETME rifle the Spanish military employed. By looking at just the barrel section, you would assume this was a semi auto rifle from the birdcage muzzle brake and the tube under the barrel. This was done to sort of mimic the CETME's features. The tube on the underside is no more than a compartment that can house the cleaning kit. Given the rather small and handy size of this rifle, you would think .308 would put a real wallop on the shoulder. Actually the muzzle brake does a pretty dang good job of softening it up. It's comparable in size to an m44 Mosin Nagant but not near as hefty. I feel like I could carry it all day. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I've never seen anything like this before. There wasn't many people at this local auction, and prices for guns and knives were at near giveaway levels, so, being a good TGO member, I tried to do my part. I scored an 1894 Marlin in 38-40, a Colt DA 38, A Colt Bisley in 45 Colt, a Remington New Navy Cartridge Conversion with perfect ivory grips, a Cattaraugus pocket knife, and a Winchester pocket knife. Not pictured is a 1917 Commercial Smith and Wesson my father confiscated from me. I guess a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while.

I went along with the wife to Sevierville because she wanted to go to a craft store out there. Figured I could stop at Buds and the knife shop there to see what they had. I got to say I was a bit disappointed; the knife shop had tons of Chinese stuff along the aisles and a few counters of the commercially available knives. The only tn made stuff I seen was some pieces of Damascus steel which were next to useless unless you bought the large expensive pieces. I had wanted to see if they had Lodge cast metal stuff, they are listed as their outlet, but they only had a standard display, and a bunch of Old Mountain stuff, Chinese of course, and those prices were not all that. Then I went looking at the Lodge Store to see if they had any deals, nope just about the same. So then I went to Bud's, big place but nothing really special so I had to get something to not leave empty handed. Doesn't shoot straight, but gets my BBQ started just fine

America and the rest of Western civilization does not fight to win anymore. Unfortunately, I think that is why we have a lot of problems with these terrorists and terrorist countries today.

With this day as every day I thank the Lord for another day, to allow me to remember those lost.

You crack me up. I bought this for Monkey one year. He doesn't wear it much because of his job. But it's beautiful. Super huge and obnoxious too. Invicta makes some really beautiful watches, in my opinion. Somewhat reasonable.

They normally have some interesting stuff, but I have found better deals next door at Smokey Mountain Knife Works.

I just dropped 19 big ones on a new Timex at Wal-Mart. I guess I will have to pass

They are very...slimming. Yea...slimming. And comfy.

You made history. I think you're the first person that's ever gotten a good deal at a gun auction. Nice collection.

The easiest is probably the MOS Glock. I don't have one nor do I have any experience with them. I started carrying an RMR prior to the MOS Glocks coming out. Sending a slide off to get milled is easy and I bet the difference in price between buying a new MOS gun and a used Gen 3 + milling the slide is about the same. I sent both of my slides to One Source Tactical and they did a very good job with the milling. I don't agree with some of their business practices so I will not be sending any more slides their way, but that is completely unrelated to the milling they performed on my slides. The red dot is very practical. I chose the RMR for it's durability and the reputation Trijicon already had for the RMR on pistols. I've also already sent my RMR back to Trijicon for service. It took over three years of use to have an issue. The upgrades Trijicon made to my sight make me believe it will last well past three years this time. I think it is very practical for a number of reasons none of which have anything to do with being one of the cool kids. #1 Your eyes can't focus on more than one thing at the same time. I demand to be able to keep my eyes focused on the threat and deliver accurate fire while moving. The red dot enables this better in every way than iron sights. #2 If my glasses come off my head I'm still combat effective. Note however that I'm far sighted. I'm not sure how a near sighted person would be effected, but I can only imagine the dot would be better than iron sights. #3 I'm more combat effective at night with a red dot. You may note that there is a significant amount of night in every 24 hour period. #4 Long distance shots (whatever "long distance" means to you with a pistol) are now easier with less practice for proficiency. #5 The dot is slow to pick up if you look of the dot. If you draw and look for your sights it is automatically in view. #6 I never turn my dot off and I normally don't use the auto brightness setting and I regularly get a year or more out of my battery. #7 I keep a spare battery and an allen wrench in my grip just in case my battery goes out. I need to order some extra screws to keep in there as well. #8 This is starting to get to be a reach, but racking the slide administratively is much easier with the RMR. It becomes a handle. In a one handed situation it is a big handle that I can rack the slide off of anything with. A wall, my belt, my boot, a car, the floor, the table...etc The RMR does not care what you hit it on. Other things usually care more about being hit with it. There are also some cons to using a red dot. #1 You are changing the slide mass and that might require some tuning. #2 Holster options are reduced. #3 The emitter on the RMR is exposed and drizzle is my biggest concern. Rain is surprisingly not that big of a deal because it flows off the glass and drains out the holes. Drizzle just kinda sits on the glass. I use lots of Rain X. #4 It's expensive #5 It's harder to sell a milled gun. I've never tried to sell one of my milled guns, but I can only imagine the number of buyers is less than for a stock gun. #6 It is ever so slightly larger for concealment. For AIWB I don't think it is a big deal. If someone see's your gun printing a little bit and says something, you just tell them it's a colostomy bag and they need mind their business. Add cuss words to make your point stronger if required. That's all I can think off at this time. If you are near Clarksville I'd be willing to let you shoot my gun before you take the plunge because it is a big investment.

So I was at Rural King the other day, and they had a Mr. Beer Kit for under $10. They had a two pack refill kit for under $6. So, three cases of beer for $16, and I get to make it myself? Sign me up. The Heathen helped me start the first batch tonight. So in like six weeks, we will see how it turned out. I have read mixed reviews on the kit, but considerably more good than bad. The main focus is the quality control of the components. I double checked everything during assembly and it all came out solid, no leaks. I was like a surgeon during the sanitation process. So, yeah, if the kit works, it should do what it does right. I tried the Azteca style first, I guess it is supposed to be a Corona knock off. I haven't decided if I will use the plastic bottles that came with the kit, or go full on glass press on caps. For the first batch I think I will stay cheap and use what came with it. But if it works well, I might invest in some glass bottles. I am excited about trying beer I brewed myself. Like I needed another hobby.

If I see bill of sale I immediately lose interest. I'll gladly show you my valid HCP and I'll also ask for yours, but other then that, all I'll be willing to part with is my cash. I understand CYA and what not, but I also don't think you need my address, phone, license number, blood type or anything else. That's why we meet in the Bass Pro Parking Lot. Heck, once Monkey and I even went in shopping with a member we met, I got 2 machetes. Totally normal.

I have shown it in the past, being younger and honestly society has changed since then. Now I'll show my HCP, but cover up my address with my thumb. Of all the times I have bought FTF, only twice have I been asked for ID.

The land I bought was hayed heavily for decades with only chemical fertilizer used to support growth. The soil is in pretty bad shape from a nutrient deficiency standpoint. The radishes are a good nutrient accumulator. The roots can grow up to 3 feet deep and the main part of the fruit grows to about 12" deep and about 1" in diameter. It is great for dealing with compacted soils. When it winter kills you leave it in the ground to rot. It attracts worms and beneficial soil microbes. Next spring I will plant something that grows a ton of biomass. I will probably do this for 2 growing cycles and then the ground should good for whatever I want to do moving forward. Just need a patch of 3-4 days with at least some rain. Mark

Honestly? What next, you guys taking a knee as well. I personally have no issue remembering this event on it's anniversary date, and deplore the fact that other important dates seem to be forgotten today, such as Dec 7, May 8, August 14-15. Really, maybe you guys need to try out for the NFL. As for me, I'll take a moment to remember those lost that day and those we are still losing due to that day.

Since I was 11 years old I have wanted a real Darth Vader helmet. EFX makes some killer Star Wars props. In 2011 they did a Legend edition helmet that cost over $900.00 it sold out in 4 minutes way before I knew they existed. A couple of years ago I pre paid for another Star Wars prop that never materialized, I was offered a Special Edition Darth Vader helmet in store credit, as soon as I heard they were doing that helmet I jumped on it, it is the closest thing to the one David Prowse wore in A New Hope, the original Star Wars movie, it was delivered to me last week and man do I love this thing!

I'll say! I was thinking "Great! A new store for Michael Jordan's sneakers!"

Fixed that...

Lolololol....many months ago. I've got an "almost too nice to shoot" Bavarian import, was looking for a beater to start this project. For an initial $250 investment, I though this was the one, quick stock swap and...spend more money buying tools and parts. It was non functional when i got it, so it needed mechanical TLC.

Dinner was pretty ok! I made ravioli with homemade alfredo and browned mushrooms with thinly sliced steak. It was a hit with Monkey after working all day. As for the yoga pants, I don't know what kind you're wearing that are slimming... But that sounds uncomfortable. I wear loose leg, cotton. Much more comfortable!

And I'm retired and don't care what time it is.

Congratulations! You are now my Hero. I dream of such.

I think it will be fun, and while I did have to drag the Heathen away from her video games, I think she will have good memories of this. Or at least I hope does.

"Aged" Yes...like a fine wine. We get better with age. Right? Well...some do. I'm falling apart faster than a speeding hp round hitting a block of ballistic gel.

Sounds good, peejman! A bit sexist perhaps...but good. Since my medical retirement...I cook, clean, and sit around in my underwear. Yoga pants don't look good on me.

If you stream music, pay attention to your used data on your cell plan. I use Google Play Music all the time, but mostly on Wi-Fi. We went on vacation last year, and played music all day long for a week at the beach. By the last day, I was getting alerts that I had used 95% of my data plan. We had to increase our plan just to avoid a huge overage charge. In my truck, I installed a radio with a USB port on it that can read a thumbdrive. I loaded it up with about 200 albums, and got rid of songs I don't care for. Then I put it on random play. It's like my own radio station, with no commercials. Most newish vehicles now come with a USB port. You might see if your vehicle has one, and if it can read a thumbdrive. You can also just copy mp3's to your phone and play from it over the usb / aux port.

Have to disagree. If the course is done correctly it may in fact provide you with basic knowledge and examples of some things that will cost you many times over the cost of the class. While you may do your own research, most do not. Heck, most that take the class will never practice. Your knowledge of the basic laws and surviving the possible legal battle is as important and potentially life-changing as the physical battle.

Well yesterday I finally got my TiN Agency Barrel. Its basically a S3F Solutions barrel that is machined further by Agency. I have to say, man it looks good. I haven't shot it yet but i have no doubt that it'll be accurate. The lock up is tighter then my Silencer Co & Stock Glock barrel. There is still some play if you press down on the chamber but it is very minimal. Especially compared my other options. The feed ramp and crown are polished thats a nice touch, we'll see how it looks after a few hundred rounds. The fluting is very nicely done and I can feel that this barrel is lighter then my SiCo barrel, but that could also be because the SiCo is threaded. I honestly don't think there is anything else i can do to it. Maybe some TiN receiver pins, but IDK about that. Let me know if you have any questions, or if you want specific pictures.