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Only got to shoot her today. She shoots really nice. I haven't shot an AK before, so I can't make a comparison. But to me, it shoots really smooth. Barely any recoil (Having started on, and still shooting shotgun, perhaps my perception of recoil differs). Not much muzzle climb either, probably due to the muzzle brake I added. With iron sights and fogged up safety glasses (no fan indoors at OnTarget today, it was brutally hot), 3" group standing, 2" group supported (not rested) a 25 yards. I think I can do better than that. This was a quick function check. (Did I mention it was hot? lol). The v 58 is small. While I like the traditional look, I may replace the furniture with an adapter for a Zhukov folding stock and better hand guards. Alternatively, someone does make wood furniture for it, which is larger than the original. I'm liking that gun though, glad I bought it. Sorry to hijack the AK threat. I hope you guys will tolerate its cousin. Also, sorry for the crappy pics.

The new expo center has the potential to be a great venue. Lots of parking. We'll see how they configure the display floor and if the promoters can fill it up.

As long as it's not the old location by the fairgrounds... all 12 feet of it. Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

Sell one of two of your other Glocks. You won’t miss them and if you do there are plenty around. You will regret selling the gift your Grandfather gave you. Are there any numbers stamped inside the yoke?

Yep. The most brutal recoil I own is an airweight J frame. They're nice to carry, but kick like a horse. My steel frame of the same size is nicer to shoot, but weighs more for carry

It should be legal, and even accepted, to kick the gutter guy in the crotch each time one passes by him. ......and whoever rented him a table.

The problem is that too many shooters expect non-shooters to step up to the plate with no anxiety, no fear of recoil, and complete confidence to skillfully manipulate, properly grip and fire a handgun. This only develops fear, flinching and bad habits. Plenty of people have successfully defended and killed with a .22; both legally and illegally. Is that my choice of defensive caliber.....no, but neither is a handgun. Simply saying that because of the above, or weakness of grip and hands sometimes it is better to be able to confidently handle a .22 and become very proficient and confident, then step up to any other weapon of THEIR choice.

My opinion of the .22 as a self defense weapon is this: If I shoot you 4 or 5 times in the face with a .22 and you still want more, I done shot the wrong guy...

I've got both a 2" and 3" SP101. 90% of the time, I'm shooting .38/.38+p Great for carry, plinking and home defense. I do have upgraded grips, and had some work to make the action better. 25oz on the 2" if memory serves, so it's not a lightweight. Maybe look at an MK9? Mine replaced the SPs for carry and has similar shootability traits. I like mine a lot

Found out that the 20oz does fit under the Keurig. That's a plus. I would have gotten the 30oz but a new full set of golf clubs shut me down for the year. Thanks @TGO David

Woohoo!!

I get the feeling mine will be one of the last ones to be delivered. It's only 1,500 miles away from most everyone else that ordered one. [emoji38]

I will admit I was not familiar with it either until smokin45 put up this little challenge, which I must admit that I'm a sucker for these sort of things. I did have to do a web search after the obvious choices were incorrect. I do have a collection of odd and uncommon cartridges stashed away that I hope to run across someday when I'm looking for something else. When I do, I will post a similar guessing game.

I own more guns than I've seen at some of the Lebanon shows. Maybe this will change. The Hendersonville location used to have a good show. It's a shame there are no more there.

My two just showed up (20 and 30). Thanks David! If we get an order of these together again I want another 20oz!

Maybe it's his strategy to bankrupt them $0.47 at a time.

... and that's why I live in the suburbs.

Find her a 3"Barrel S&W M-36 SQ Butt and stoke it with standard velocity hollow point ammunition. You can find a slightly larger set of grips for it which will make it feel better when shooting. If the hammer's a concern then have it bobbed. It's an easy gun to do an action job on comfortable to shoot. Most likely you'll have to shop around and find a used one but they are out there if you look. A Ruger SP 101 is another good choice but it's heavier and a bit more bulky.

I don’t think NIST is going to maintain a traceable database of samples. I think they are defining the way they will be defined and the format for the X3P file type. All my measuring tools are certified with standards traceable to NIST. However my software that creates programs for the CMM machine also has to be NIST certified. For example, the math in how it measures a cylinder in least squared or max/min inscribed needs to be correct. So the aircraft companies require my software to have a NIST cert. Every time I upgrade the software to a new version; I need a new cert. I would guess they need this standard to prove their results in court? (Otherwise it’s all smoke and mirrors) But that’s just a guess. While they may want a searchable database of bullets; I think they want a certified way to show the science of how they match a gun they have to a bullet they have.

That is not entirely accurate. PPK-style .22's are double action, giving restrike capability. While a .22 for defensive purposes is certainly questionable and most would not recommend it, I would have no problem carrying my Bersa Thunder 22. You can dump 400 grains of lead in a target with a quickness.

Compact, polymer, single/double with a decocker. 9mm preferrably. I (like every collector) love the flashy over engineered guns. Who wouldn't want to own a nighthawk? But for carry, I want a duty pistol. I want sights that are intuitive, I want it to point naturally. I don't mind polymer because it typically weighs less, doesn't get super hot or cold against skin. I want function over form. I want 9mm because i want more ammo. Sure a 45 is a big brute, but I'm not some combat hardened operator, I want quick follow up shots and to say "yup, under this shirt I have 33 rounds of ammo! I also don't want a safety that I've accidentally toggled or forget to unlock because I'm in a panic. You can say that's just familiarity and training, but for me that's milliseconds. Pull -> fire is my thought.

Mine were sitting on the front steps when I got home this afternoon and they look great! Thanks again David!

Got mine in today, too. Looks sharp.

Aww man. I was hoping for the robot. *kicks dirt* schucks

A little 2000 grit wet/dry paper will make this unusable.

For those that have never been, this is an amazing shoot. I'd be there if I had the money to blow but it is an experience that everyone should splurge on at least once. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm going to agree with chances r, a small 38 especially a light one like a 642 is going to be a handful to shoot, no pun intended. If she's going to practice with it and stay proficient, she may struggle with the recoil. Mine is steel with wrap around Hogue grips, it's manageable with regular .38 loads but +P stuff gets tiring after 20-30 rounds. The Airweight I had was pretty brutal even with light loads in it. There's just not enough mass in the gun to absorb the recoil. I'd suggest renting/ borrowing something at the range for her to use before you buy anything.

Thanks; I'll take a look at these. I was hoping to find some where the anchor stayed in the concrete and the bolt portion could be removed specifically to avoid having to lift the safe over the bolts when they are removed. As for the effectiveness of the safe, you are correct. In no way do I consider a safe to be my only security control. Any control can be broken or bypassed given enough time and resources. The safe is the last control in a layered defense. Environmental design, lighting, visible cameras, hidden cameras, alarm systems, average police response time, etc - they all play into a good security design. I'm anchoring it down for 3 reasons: (1) with the door open, it tips forward slightly when it is not heavily loaded. (2) I don't want it to fall on a curious kid, and (3) it adds time and complexity for an attacker to get inside, which allows time for other detective and response controls to hopefully work.

Mail lady just dropped my two off. I got a 20 and a 30. These things look great. Everybody at the office likes the logo. I'm with jonathon1289...if this ever happens again i would take another 20 oz

MORE WANT!!! It's freaking minigun.

I took my kids last year. It was surprising to me just how little it had changed. Sadly, I didn't even notice the new wing until we had 30 minutes before the park closed. I just happened to look at the map and said "where's this tipped over Saturn 5????" That was a real let down just running through it real fast. You're right, that A12 is looking rough. I did get to see an SR71 at the Smithsonian annex in DC though. That ones in great shape. ***edit*** Had the picture handy. Too large to upload direct to the forum and I'm lazy. So, click you must! https://i.imgsafe.org/24d526967b.jpg

Lady Smith in .38 would be nice. My first thought was an LCP but you mentioned snappy. Plenty of training may help with handling pretty much anything.

Here's a synopsis of the rd. .220 Russian The .220 Russian (5.6×39mm) cartridge was developed in the late 1950s for deer hunting in Russia. It is a 7.62×39mm cartridge necked down to hold a 5.6 mm bullet. It was later adopted by Finland, and by around 1965 was being produced by SAKO and Lapua. When it was introduced to the United States, Sako, and later Lapua, brass was stamped ".220 Russian".

We couldn't touch it, but we were no more than 10 feet from it. Definitely one of the best field trips I ever had. Thinking back on it, growing up as a military kid had it's down sides, but it had some pretty amazing things too. Flying in a KC-135 to watch refueling operations, up close and personal with the Habu, touring the USS Wasp, flying an actual F-15 simulator, and getting a personal tour (just me and my dad) by the XO and the Chief of a nuclear attack submarine are pretty awesome experiences. Few people ever get to do any of those things, much less all of them.

I'd be glad to see them get out of Nashville or at least out of the fairgrounds. The expo center in M'boro isn't bad, but even with free parking it's a pain in the rear. I guess Lebanon is as good a place as any.

MP You are correct it is the .220 Russian by Sako. Congrats.

Well with that tid bit of information now this is my last and final guess. .220 Russian

Slickguns has it listed from $680-750. I would think a local shop would be on the higher end of that range.

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Me too. I remember what felt like every building on the whole base shaking and you knew it was the SR taking off so you stopped what you were doing and ran outside to watch. We had an F-15 pilot who lived next door and even he'd come out in his yard to watch it. Night launches were especially memorable watching the afterburners slowly go from 2 dots to 1 then to none, but you could still hear it even after you couldn't see it. A 2nd or 3rd grade field trip was over to the hangar to get up close and personal with it, the pilots, and their gear. Got to put on one of their "space helmets" and eat peaches out of a tube. I remember big pans on the floor of the hangar (like sheet cake pans, but bigger) to catch fuel that dripped out of the expansion joints. Once it got up to speed, the skin got hot enough to expand and stop dripping.

I grabbed a photo of the old sled that's rusting away in Huntsville. They really need to do some upkeep on most of their outside displays.

I don't even answer the damn phone anymore.

I was relegated to helo's in the Navy. No go fast for us, but when the go fasters went down they always looked for us.

'nuff said.