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MORE WANT!!! It's freaking minigun.

Since you said the heirlooms come later, I wouldn't break the bank on my son's first, especially knowing how 18 year old boys are. I'd go with something cheap and polymer, expecting him to clean it less often than I'd like to see something better be cleaned. I mean if he beats up an SR9 or an M&P, who cares. If I gave my son a nice revolver or 1911 as a truck gun I'd expect to see surface rust and/or scratches.

I gotta imagine any son of Greg's (a member with over 9k posts here on TGO) has probably shot a gun before. Maybe even twice, lol! Obviously, he won't be carrying for at least 3 years, so carry guns are out. He's turning 18, not 8, so I really doubt a .22 is all he can handle. This sounds like an heirloom to me. Heirlooms are rarely plastic. I'm thinking a nice, American made 1911 or a 357 or 44 mag. K or L frame or equivalent. No Taurus, Citadel, Bersa, etc. Maybe a nice Springfield Range Officer, Colt Gold Cup, (I'm not personally a Colt fan, but the name still has some prestige to many) Smith model 19, 27, or 29, maybe a Ruger GP100, or if you have thousands a sweet Python or Anaconda. Let us know what you choose!

We got one in. Man, it is sweet. Really. Excellent 9mm 1911; gorgeous, light, great trigger...

I recently paid $575 for one a bit nicer at a gun show. Of course, I turned down a healthy profit on it before I left the show. They're pricey. Check "completed auctions" on gunbroker for comparison. I spent better than 20 years looking for a nice one at a decent price. It's yours; do what you want, but I think it foolish to even consider selling it.

Maybe it's his strategy to bankrupt them $0.47 at a time.

Wouldn't this make a nice sign at our borders Welcome to Tennessee, gun manufacturing capital of America

One thing is for sure. He has probably shot about everything in your safe and is bound to have a favorite and is already more than familiar with any one in the safe. It can be his first gun plus given to him by his father and can become an heirloom all at the same time..............jmho

This topic always brings this classic to mind ... you need your audio on : )

One of the classic .38 Special revolvers. It was my first. Also mentioned was a Hi Power, they are cheap right now.

His first handgun should be something personal that will last a lifetime and have special meaning to him. Open your safe and let him pick one of yours.

Hhmmmm.... CZ75 or M&P then. Maybe a milsurp 92?

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A Smith and Wesson 686 will both for the bill for usefulness and be an heirloom. I've had mine fo 25+ years and it is still my most impressive pistol. Of course if you can't find one with out that silly lock, I would pass. Lucky young man either way! Good on you!

Perfect truck gun is a Canik. Not too expensive, and works great... If it was me I'd give him a god quality stainless 4in 357. It will last forever with little care and can be used for almost any reasonable task a handgun could be asked to do.

Right. He's grown up shooting the classics. I'm not into newer firearms, so he's not had much experience with them. I just wanted to surprise him. It'll be a multipurpose gun, and will probably spend a lot of it's time under a truck seat. I'm looking for a working gun. He'll get the family heirlooms later.

Nothing wrong with Glocks, except the lack of a soul.... for a 1st, make it something nice. Honestly, a quality Ruger or S&W .357 would be a gun for a young man to own his entire life and never outgrow its usefulness. 4" stainless or blued. Simple manual of arms, lots of ammo options/availability , good for field, plinking or HD use.

Idiots actually think laws stop murderers...

So... If the guns are compliant with the existing law how are they banning them? It will be interesting to see how this plays out. If the attorney general can simply "decide" that the guns are no longer compliant then what else can the AG "decide"? We don't know all the facts, but if what I described above is true then this is a slippery slope!

We don't need a law to know the difference between something unintentional and intentional. I also don't get your stance of blaming the doctor for not leaving earlier. Yes, he could have a flat tire, etc, but those are anomalies, not premeditated obstruction. I usually am pretty well in agreement with you on a lot of things, but I just can't figure out why you would blame the person just going about their day. When (not if) one of these people get killed for being stupid, I won't lose a wink of sleep.

I don't even answer the damn phone anymore.

The IRS doesn't call people, they send certified letters.

I'll tap out and let someone else have a crack at it. You've some interesting stuff there; especially if you have rifles to fire them all.

Two thoughts popped into my head... 1) It will be tough finding a decent concealed carry holster for this one. and 2) Suck it, Miculek!

Just kidding on the RG. Some at this age don't understand the sentiment that goes with a hand me down and fail to care for it as you would like or trade it for something else they think is cool. Your son may not be one of those, but I fear my son might be. I would say a Smith revolver to promote proper grip and shooting skills, as well as being lifetime weapon he could one day pass on. A 686 no key would be awesome.

A flat tire or car trouble can't be helped, but intentionally standing in the road yelling can be helped. If I block the same intersection will the police give me the same treatment? If I beat on passing cars will it get overlooked? No, they will arrest me. When I watch the news I'm embarrassed to be an American! Our country is circling the drain, common sense and logic have already went down the drain.

Yep. I'm sick of bacon jokes too...but when my opportunity came up to be 'that guy'....I carpe'd de' bacon. :-)

I read that as you get $40 on top of the replacement plates. Maybe not though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don't rightly care if he was just going to remove a bunion! He, and the rest have a right to travel without being impeded by anyone unnecessarily. These BLM folks need to get a life, and these brainwashed non- blacks in these protests need to get a brain. I bet most of them don't even get the grasp of the whole situation, they are just there to be included. Sooner or later there is going to be some backlash, and it won't be pretty.

I disagree. Nobody....and I mean nobody should be able to sit on their butts in an intersection or stinkin' interstate and block traffic impeding the freedom of movement of the average Joe. People should be smarter and more considerate than that. Of course that explains why BLM and others do it.

I certainly wouldn't judge by that particular standard. I have long thought about getting an EMP, and everytime I do, I read about all the problems with them, not even a Springfield nut can deny they are picky and run on the very edge of reliability. Same prob with Kimber. One thing about Ruger is that whatever they do release seems to flat run overall more reliably. And if there is a systemic prob they fix it PDQ overall. - OS

The tea party ans most of the second amendment crowd don't protest. They get up and go to a JOB every day.

Merry Christmas

He's been shooting a model 29 Smith and Wesson longer than he's been in school. He's my kid. He's had a LOT of experience shooting guns. He's never shown much of an affinity for anything in particular, but has always enjoyed shooting whatever I drug out at the time.

What does HE like? Really, what will he appreciate the most? Is he an experienced shooter? Then go with something in a useful caliber. Will he appreciate an heirloom? You might look at a really nice Colt Trooper III or S&W M66. But your first gun is something you will always remember. Mine was a No. 5 Lee Enfield .303 I bought in a Canadian hardware store for $40 when I was 16. I sold it when I moved back to the US as importing it wasn't worth it. But I soon bought another when I turned legal age in the US.

I think a Ruger Blackhawk Convertible in .357/9mm would make a dandy first pistol. I also like the suggestion of a older S&W K-frame.

No, they would say "it's my fault for not leaving earlier".......

I agree with many other comments regarding renting different pistols. Especially if he has no experience with shooting. I bought my first handgun in November 2015 without firing one. That was a Springfield XD Mod 2 9mm and I really lucked out. Great gun but bulky to carry. I then bought a Sig P938. For me, it was a terrible pistol. My hands are not small and I couldn't get a firm grip on the gun so each range experience was very unpleasant so I sold it. If he does have experience then my favorite handgun is the Sig P320 Compact 9mm. I have fired over 1,100 rounds with no issues and is very accurate. Just check it out and Good luck with your decision.

If it is his first, how about a classic like a Smith Model 27. Something he can shoot, keep as an heirloom, and always be proud to call his.

I consider a group of people blocking a road for no apparent reason to be a threat to my safety and well being. I also consider a vehicle, when I'm driving one, to be my best form of self protection, and will act accordingly.

Capbyrd's Ruger addiction makes mine look like a casual habit . I have wanted a 1911 for a few years, like OS I have my calibers fairly wrapped up so adding .45 has been a love hate proposition for me though. I'm not sure which caliber I go with, but I bet it's a Ruger either way.

To be clear, we disagree with HOW they go about protesting. They can protest until the cows come home, but do so in a way that doesn't otherwise impede a law abiding citizens right to free movement. It will be unfortunate, but predictable when someone gets killed by standing in the middle of a road. They will then blame the police for not protecting them. If they think this tactic is helping their cause, they are sorely mistaken.

My attitude towards them has nothing to do with what they're protesting for. If the Church of God Women's Auxillary was out there blocking traffic I'd say throw them in jail too. If they resisted, give 'em the hose!

Well if we put One Million Cops per Thug on the street i am sure we can repeat that. However, far more Thugs will hit the ground. At least that is how i understand Odds.

Now all the stupid's will want to know why all police don't do this all the time.

I'm thinking some bean bag rounds and a couple of well placed fire hoses would make these folks go back to the rock they came out from under.

Yeah, see my previous post, 100% with 6 or 7 different loads for me too. I really really like the thing. - OS

I've shot both a lot and owned the Ruger in several variations. I would go Ruger all day. The trigger is made to self tinker with. It is very easy to get it to < 2lbs and crisp. Using Wolf Std Vel that Ruger will really shoot. The Savage is OK, and a pretty good shooter too. Also those Ruger American Rimfire stocks are pretty good, not like the Savage plastic stocks at all. For a working rifle I would keep the Ruger stock on the gun, adjust the trigger to sub 2lbs and shock the snot out of folks who have spent serious money on chasing accuracy and reliability within certain price points. The last Ruger American .22LR I had would shoot as well as any of the several CZs I used to own. I think it would have given my late Kimber of Oregon Stainless Classic a run for its money too. I think the Ruger American .22lr is the best value in decent shooting .22s without having to break the bank. I'm thinking with a bit of tinkering it might shoot alongside the Anschutz sporters. At least as good that squirrels wouldn't know what killed them...Ruger American or Anschutz. P.S. The quality and variety of Ruger magazines can't be beat.

Lubriplate works for me