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How about this.... 1. Do you think people should be able to give away or sell their own personal property without asking the government for permission (if so you DON'T believe in universal background checks). 2. Do you believe that it is OK for the Govt to deny people their constitutional rights without due process? (If not then you DON'T believe in keeping people on the TSA no fly list from buying a gun) 3. Do you believe in the fundamental right of every man woman and child to defend themselves from unlawful violence? If you answered no you are an idiot. If you answered yes then go to 3B.... 3B. If so then do you believe that the old, infirm, physically weak should be able to efficiently and effectively defend themselves from younger bigger , stronger multiple attackers? If so then you are NOT anti gun becasue semi auto fire arms with standard capacity magazines is the best way for weaker victims to defend themselves from multiple attackers. 4. Do you believe only the govt and police should have firearms? If so you are NOT "anti gun"....you are anti freedom, and pro totalitarianism and an enabler of mass genocide. You believe that ordinary people INCLUDING YOURSELF do not have the common sense or ability to safely handle and use inanimate objects without accidentally (or maliciously) hurting others. As such only people who are employed by the state somehow are given special powers that other people do not have to somehow make them "safe" to possess these "evil" objects. The problem is historically that when only the government has them...the government ceases to be subservient to the people and you see genocide and ethnic cleansing like Cuba, Cambodia, USSR, Germany, the former Yugoslavia Etc......

If it was my daughter all I'd want would be the guy's name and address.

I'm pretty sure I have the primary "social" rifle dialed in just like I want it. 10.5" 5.56:

I think that the politics is an important part of TGO, and I know I'd find myself logging into TGO less if it was gone. I come here with the intent on seeing differing opinions, and a place like this, where the argument is much more thought out than elsewhere is a huge bonus to me. We debate with passion, but I think it's better for the site as a whole. It's also worth noting, that we probably have a higher percentage among our membership than the population at large that is politically engaged, it being a natural inclination for gun owners and all. As to the proportion of general politics to gun chat...I know for myself, there is only so much to talk about with guns or gun related issues. If I get more than one new gun a year, it's been a spending spree, and as a college student, I don't have the recurring income to hit the range or take any classes with the frequency I might wish. Plus, when it comes to the gun content, I find myself reading more and posting less, since my knowledge is paltry compared to others on things like relics, and any other gun style besides the AR, which I'm knowledgeable enough to comment on. Politics, Legal Issues, and General Chat give me a chance to participate more. So, I think we should keep non-gun related areas. If nothing else, it lets "the regulars" here engage in conversation and serves as another way to build a sense of community here.

The answer to your query is "quite willing". The left is not the friend to free speech that they have portrayed themselves to be. As they have gained control of the public sphere (starting with academia) they have increasingly sought to prohibit or outright criminalize contrary or unpopular speech by classifying it as "hate speech". It has been easy to miss if one hasn't paid attention to what has been happening on college campuses and their love affair with "trigger warnings" and "safe spaces" but it is about the control of what is considered allowable speech. The battle on campus has been all but won and the full court press is on to spread it outward into the rest of the public sphere. Freedom of of expression for all is vital when you are in the minority. It's dangerous when you've claimed the majority.

The political rhetoric is a turn off for a lot of folks. From the conversations I've had with members, they're tired of the hate. Even people who like reasoned discourse get tired of being blasted when they refuse to blindly support the GOP candidate. And, this is a gun forum. You'd think the majority of the traffic might relate to guns.

(Polled) post Pulse Shooting agree we need stronger gun control. From a Soundbite, last week, Hilary If true, 90% is a huge number, you and i would be getting confiscation notices by now. Another example of liars figure but figures don't lie. If you were asked the question, "do we need to keep firearms out of the hands of terrorists?" Yes or no. If yes, you are for more gun control. And so the headline is born.

You'd have lots of company

I like the TGO Tumbler myself

This site has been heavy on political since I have been a member, except when all political discussion was banished to the hive. I'm one of the blind ones, I suppose. A Republican has a big weighting factor with me because they like guns. But, blind is pretty moderate compared to what I have been called by some liberals. So, I figure I'm still home.

Posting something on social media has gotten some folks on the no-fly/terrorist watch lists. Doesn't necessarily have to be a threat.

I know we need to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists. (Kind of a dumb azz question) But I’m not for gun control; I’m for terrorist control.

I think everyone just needs to pretend to be an adult. If you're so dogmatic that you can't stomach a dissenting opinion either ignore or block the thread. Man up guys.

Believe me, I have spoken with several of the moderators numerous times over the past few years about potentially jettisoning all political conversations that have nothing to do with the Second Amendment from the forum entirely. Some folks on TGO seem to be oblivious to the idea that the right to bear arms crosses both sides of the political aisle and that a gay Democrat from New York can be just as passionate about her right to own an AR-15 as a barrel-chested, corn-fed Republican country boy who served two tours in Afghanistan and presently works in the oil fields of Texas to support his wife and 2.5 kids is. We are all supposed to be here to talk about firearms, the Second Amendment, shooting stuff for fun, and using these inanimate objects we all like as means to teach responsibility, put food on the table, keep us from taking up golf on the weekends, and protecting ourselves from those who would do us harm. I think if we stuck to talking about those things, we'd probably pick up a lot of traffic again. Come to think of it, I may have just talked myself into making that a policy change for TGO. Do we really need this place to be yet another damned fountain of political vitriol on the Internet? Unless it's directly related to Second Amendment issues, I think the answer to that is... NEEDS to be... NO.

seems like every time McCain opens his mouth he gets lower and lower with me

For myself, I have chose to only comment in certain things because in my opinion, honestly, subjects of a certain nature cause some really ugly conversations. I read threads sometimes and I want to contribute, but then I stop because I know certain members will disagree and then to have to debate back and forth for a simple idea or thought is just not worth it. Also, while I share the views of many of you, I've noticed that certain people have gotten ridiculous on certain posts and it's just not worth associating myself with a thread when I feel like it's borderline hateful. On the bright side, met another member today. Monkey and I were both happy to get to stop and talk to him for a bit. But for me, I'm selective on what I discuss or participate in.

Had an "ah ha" moment on the first unread post dot.

Got mine today, excellent quality shirt

Also good for Grizzly, Tyrannosaurus rex, and Great White Shark.

I reccomend a 30-06, can't go wrong, Distance and knockdown.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/20/this-was-30-minutes-of-hell-for-this-young-lady-unaccompanied-minor-groped-on-flight/ Heads, walls, spikes...metaphorically of course. The pedo's for sure, and probably the crew for missing what is about the biggest red alert klaxon of a warning sign that this guy was a sicko. Traveling on a plane alone is something you need to prepare a kid for. That girl should have been screaming and swinging...her parents seem to have failed her there, IMO.

Got mine in the mail today. Looks great. Thanks David. Got a gun show in the 'Boro this coming weekend, good time to break it in. That's R.K. Shows BTW

I've also been impressed with every vortex optic I've used, though I have only used their red dots. I also like the recommendation for a 1-4. I have a 1-4 illuminated Bushnell AR scope ant it replaced my sparc due to it having more in it's wheelhouse than a red dot. If I were 3 gunning or anything, I might switch back to a RD, but for range fun I can zoom out and have a fast enough target acquisition, or I can zoom in and give the peepers a rest. As I get older, (31. I know, older right ) I place more value in magnification than I did when I was younger. I like being able to see my target clearly and that is getting harder every year it seems like. Maybe I just need glasses

The new site is working fine for me. I may not use many of the bells and whistle anyway because I tend to read a lot more than I post. I browse the classifieds, and some of the other categories and get in on the chat room some evenings. As for traffic, lately I have noticed it seemed down or maybe just not many threads that got my attention. Political discussion has a place here on TGO but it needs to remain just that, discussion, nobody wants to be personally attacked or told who they should be voting for. Many thanks to David and the mods for keeping TGO running smooth.

If I had to guess, the primary reason is because the court isn't at nine members, and that's not just for gun cases, since the court is taking cases at a slower pace overall recently. Secondary reasons could be waiting for the public debate to die down, as John Roberts doesn't want the court to take up an issue being debated in Congress. The case in the 4th Circuit about Maryland's ban could also be making him wait to see if there is a split in circuit opinions that would make taking the cases more of an interpretive, or two circuit rulings one way that don't justify taking a case absent certiorari .

I beg to differ, how can you enforce such a law without having a way to confirm if a certain serial number went through the bg process?

I don't mind the politics, as long as it's related to 2A, weapons, CCW, or SD issues etc, it belongs here. The problem is that some don't know how to keep it from getting personal, I'm sure it keeps moderators busy. As this is a post about traffic, I'm not sure there is a correlation with these topics and less (or more) traffic. You can always choose what topics to look at or respond to, but I do feel some just make it too personal; it's just not that serious.

I don't know about anyone else, but I see background checks just like the GCA; gun control. So in my case it's not that I support background checks, it's that I tolerate them. But I am hard pressed to see any other way to keep guns away from criminals. The thing is, background checks, tax stamps, and CCW permits have become a way to put money into the system, otherwise why not make it free? Why a bg check for each purchase vs per person? Why a bg check when you have a CCW, Military, LEO, have a Security Clearance? Why can't you have prohibited weapons without a $200 tax? Does $200 make you less likely to commit heinous acts? No, it's all about control, nothing else.

Just an update. I ordered two pair... one wireless frame and one sunglass metal frame from Zenni for about $30 apiece. The quality was as good as my regular eyeglass purchases locally. I'm pretty rough on glasses, but they have held up extremely well over the past four months. I just ordered a couple more pair. There's a coupon for 10% off SIGNUP10 that works. Again, my cost for a single vision sunglasses were $28 and $33 apiece.

I rattle-can a lot of my guns expressly so I won't get bored with them and sell them later.

How dialed in do you want to be out to 250? If close range (<50yds) is a higher priority, I'd be looking at red dots more than scopes.

There is a test out there somewhere that shows the $9.99 Ozark tumbler performing just as well as the $40 Yeti and Orca. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

McCain is a lite Democrat, so this does not surprise me.

These politicians blame guns because they are too weak to go after the terrorists head on and the terrorists just laugh at our country and keep doing their evil.

Many of us from the home page of TGO click on the unread tab at the top right of the home page. This goes to a view showing unread content. Suppose that you just read something and want to go back to it? This can be frustrating. Well the good news is that the new site is better than the old site for finding and viewing info, though things work a little differently. Here are the steps to address this: From the home screen, click on ‘Unread Content’ to the right side of the home page. The next screen has several tabs across the top. These are awesome as they allow you to slice and dice data most any way your want. Next, click the little down arrow on the ‘Read Status’ tab Click on ‘Everything’ from the drop down menu. Look to the right of the screen right below the line of tabs. You just changed the view on the ‘Unread Status’ in this line of tabs. Click on the button to ‘Save As New Stream’, which is below the line of tabs I just described. When you click on ‘Save As New Stream’ a little window will open. Click in the box that says, ‘Unread Content’ erase “Unread Content’ and name the new Stream. I named mine ‘Everything” Click on “Create Stream” From now on, you will navigate TGO differently. You will no long click on ‘Unread Content’ to the right of the home screen next to ‘Mark site read’ You will now navigate as follows: Go to the TGO home screen Click on ‘Activity’ to the right of the picture of the house. A drop down menu will appear. Click on “My Activity Streams” Your new Activity Stream will be at the bottom of the list. Mine says ‘Everything’, which is the name I gave it. You have multiple choices under “My Activity Streams”, including Unread. Navigate from here moving forward. Post a note or send me a PM if you run into trouble and I’ll help out. Type written instructions like this can be hard to follow. Also, post a not if there are other things you haven't been able to figure out.

Typical leftist views of things. Let's apply their agenda instead of common sense. Who ever is shocked by this raise your hand.

Vortex PST 1-4 retails for $499 so it's a little over your stated range unless you find it on sale. I have one, and I think it's worth every penny. Or... Vortex Crossfire II 1-4 $225 on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Crossfire-1-4x24mm-Riflescope-CF2-31037/dp/B00HYRGODO I've never tried this one, but I would like to try it for the price. I'm a HUGE Vortex fan. I've been really impressed with their quality. I use a SPAC and the PST in 3gun. I've never had a problem even in the rain. My AR with the PST is sub MOA at 200yds with a QD AD-RECON mount. I'll also add that the PST appears to be true 1x for close range, both eyes open shooting. The illuminated recticle is not "daylight bright" in full sun, but the etched recticle is still easily visible.

Dave and Wing, I just posted instructions on how to navigate all content without frustration.

I hear that crap all the time from the left, so I am just guessing I am of the 10% that was not asked.

Agreed. It's a sad day if PC invades TGO, lol.

Another nerd in training.

I have been here since the beginning. The political threads we have now pale in comparison to some we have had in the past. (For example the Trump threads are nowhere near as out of control as the Martin/Zimmerman threads were). The attack on our country in Orlando by a Muslim extremist will be followed by an attack by Hillary on gun owners. It’s all gun related and it’s what’s being talked about right now. The new software has kept me from being in here as much. But I just figure as soon as people get use to it they will pass along the knowledge of how to do the things we want to do.

Model 100 Winchester? 742 Remington? You could probably have a pair for $1000.

I have carried or owned ARs for at least 25 years then I got my first AK. Now, my go to guns are all AKs.

I have used them in a couple of builds, and have another that I am about to start. So far, I haven't had any issues with durability, hole size, etc.

The rail on the upper receiver is a little thicker than normal so I'm gonna have to work on the rear sight before I can put it into position.

Somethings you can just set your clock to. Dolo will mangle a digit, OS will have an adventure walking to the Y. It's the closest thing to tradition we have.

The SKS was widely used in Vietnam. The NVA had them and the Viet Cong used whatever they could find. The SKS cost more to produce than the AK. The AK was junk. A lot of Mosins were also used. Probably the other way around. The SKS was a better, more accurate rifle than the AK. The leader and the snipers would probably have SKS’s if they had them. Mosins and 03 Springfields were also common sniper rifles. Everything available was used in Vietnam. The Viet Cong were scavenger forces; they used whatever they had or could take. The same thing today in Afghanistan; plenty of old azz rifles there. They use what they can get.

I don't remember ever seeing one of his videos on TGO but I'm becoming a fan. Colion Noir is an African-American gun rights activist, lawyer, member of the National Rifle Association, and the host of the web series Noir on the NRA's online video channel NRA Freestyle.