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Tough but somebody has to do it. My second trip to Sedona, AZ and I still can't get enough. Cell phone pictures so not the best quality.

I AM OFFICAILLY A GUN OWNER!!! I went down and did another TICS application and passed in just a few minutes and walked out with my guns WHOOP WHOOP

 

For that many roses the gun better come with a stamp!

I've never understood the fascination with celebrities' opinions. I don't care what he thinks about guns... space aliens, climate change. If he wants to talk about the NFL prospects of Carson Wentz or Goff as future NFL quarterbacks, I'm interested. Otherwise, I really don't care what he thinks.

Graduated with honors from Buford Tune's School of Pinky Blastin'.

I can't ever recall having a malfunction that I would blame on weak factory ammo. I had a run of Winchester white box a few years ago that had very hard primers, but that doesn't really pertain to the question. I don't know the velocities of all factory 9mm, or how "weak" it might be, but my comp./practice hand loads only run about 970fps with a 133gr lead bullet. The hand loads feel weaker/have less recoil than any factory ammo I've shot, if they (hand loads) were causing malfs, I wouldn't be using them.

I didn't take it as a snub or any ways offensive. I was just letting you know I wasn't pulling out of left field. I'm always available for help, let me know if I can.

For what its worth,Ive been an ASE master certified technition for 15 years.

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I was a helicopter mechanic. But got pulled to be a space ship door gunner in a very hush hush black ops unit for the moon spider rebellion Sent from behind the anvil

Totally agree with you all on this! It's just another step in the long term plan to instill Muslim teachings all across the country. Infiltrate the minds of the young ones to accept it. Get a generation involved and keep moving until the caliphate is established here.   Don't believe it? Open your eyes and look at Western Europe. See what's happening there. It's coming here.

That's one tall tree stand in going to need. :p

  I guess those free TV's are to replace your TV that has been taken by looters? They should hand out free guns instead. Oh wait, a Demorat town. It's where police go collect your guns instead of rounding up looters, where law abiding citizens get disarmed instead of the criminals.   Never forget Katrina.

I have just gotten one of the white label Bushnell and the Led is at the 4:00 position instead of the mentioned 6:00. I also called Bushnell on this and they say it is a updated model. I put it on my model 41 and it works just fine. That said it just doesn't seem as bright as the older ones(Brown labeled) Mine still worked well in full sunlight. I have had very good luck with Bushnell customer service so I'm not worried.

  New Orleans is a Democrat town. They even have free TVs and beer after hurricanes.

The Marshals had long guns and got shot up by Gordon Kahl.     Look at the NFL.  Every team has great athletes, but some teams just don't get it together.  Tactics and determination and to a large extent culture can be the winning edge. 

Awesome! Now get to the range and exercise that freedom! :up:

Yes Glock 19 BETTER NEWS -- TBI called me a few hours after I faxed the expedite to them and they said record clear and I am GOOD TO GO!!!

I actually got a message mine was due. Decided to go lifetime so I don't have to worry now. [emoji41]

part 1 & 2 of the FBI's training film regarding this incident.     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlSCE88UhyA   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAUDnzDhQpc

You want a loading volunteer? I'm a range member & I'll do it for a free ticket! I don't even want to shoot, just lemme watch!! :D Srsly.

I got mine today and it seems to work fine, it's a white label and I will zero it tomorrow.

Get an estimate of what it might cost and then I will get in touch with my son and see what he thinks. He builds transmissions for a living and there has been a few folks here that have had him work on their vehicles and all seemed pleased with his work and prices. I am a 35 year Retired ASE Master Mechanic and to me it does sound like something electronic and not a hard part inside the Tranny like Torque Converter, pump or clutches. They will give you a warning but electronic sensors give zero warning before they go bad.................just my :2cents: worth

With a factory gun in proper working condition and a proper firm grip, it's a combination of two factors for the ammo. 115 gr. range ammo is cheap, it's low power for lower recoil, and doesn't have as much quality checks as premium self defense ammo. The fact that it's lower power also means it has a smaller margin of error of what will cycle a semi auto. All factory ammo will have enough power/velocity to cycle any functioning properly semi auto, unless otherwise stated, when loaded inside manufacturing specs. It's the few that slip through without the specified amount of powder, that may fail. And the lower the powder charge, the higher the probability of it failing to properly operate the slide. Also more care and quality checks are put into defensive ammo for obvious reasons.

I'm always curious as to how many of the function issues is due to "adjustments" to the gun and/or limp wristing. Certainly there's always a chance that you buy factory ammo that's not loaded right, but I've never run into that problem myself.

Randy also wrote "Pistols suck at stopping people." Yes they do suck! They suck bad at this job.   I've seen people shot multiple times and not really seriously care about the fact. I had a guy that had 9 rounds in him help me get a guy out of the car he was driving that had been shot 7 times and get him into our ER. 9 round dude had been shot before and knew his wounds weren't life, nor apparently fight, ending as he slipped out later to go "finish" his "business"....yes, there were officers all over the place...it happens...but a large portion of the survivable handgun "stops" are psychological....they just don't want to be shot anymore...   Face shots are a good thing. They take a lot of the fight out of most folks, maybe even get one in the brainbox...even better.   Rapid surgical placement is something I still struggle with...but at least I know it's required.

And spread to the floor! :)

Excellent topic Randy!   I first read of this incident back in '88-'89 in, iirc, an issue of Handguns Magazine. (I still have the issue in the basement somewhere).   I have a copy of "In the Line of Duty" on DVD. It was remarkably accurate in it's portrayal from what I've read on the subject.             Quite a bit, but sometimes it seems not enough. Fighting institutional dogma, both within Law Enforcement Training and the general training community has been, and on some level, still is, an uphill battle.   This fight was up close, fast, against 2 well armed, practiced and determined individuals and a complete paradigm shift from what was currently taught at that time.   The FBI and the Gun Media deflected the mistakes that were clearly a "training issue" to "a failure of the ammo issue...The 9mm Winchester Silvertip in particular. Ammo isn't the answer in most cases, but having the will to fight, adequate tools (and realistic expectations of their capabilities), and quality realistic training can make a difference. Will make a difference imho.   John Hearne, one of the finest critical thinkers and researchers within our community has an excellent powerpoint presentation on the fight that is probably available on the interwebs somewhere.   I have incredible respect for several of the agents involved, Ed Mireles in particular...Man! You talk about determination and force of will! I don't even think the one hand operation of a 12g pump was being taught at the time, but Mireles put it to use!   Also, again iirc, as this was the very early days of the autoloader and revolvers were still the norm, agents were trained to transition to a second gun (generally a 5 shot J frame) when their primary went empty...a handgun markedly more difficult to shoot rapidly and accurately by comparison...     (You guys have already covered other aspects and improvements quite well and much better I could articulate)       My edited version of Randy's post brings to mind our recent discussion of preparing for a worst case scenario...having to fight a "Todd"...maybe a couple of them, as in this incident. Talk about your day going from bad to worse...   Platt and Matix apparently made a habit of frequent practice, we are talking ammo by the case load. They were knowledgeable of, and utilized some pretty sound tactics, and their level of aggression was obvious.   I am a civilian and it's not my job to chase down bad actors like this...but you never know what will come down the pike. I pray I never find myself in this type of situation, but I am thankful for the positive advances in the art of fighting that is a direct result of the lessons learned from the sacrifice of these gentlemen.

The little red dot on his hand suddenly got bigger !! :panic:

Those who couldn't make it missed the best shoot I've ever been to. 

yours has been shipped and is on the way to your home, enjoy!

I was given a TRS-25 last week, white label, LED is at 4-o'clock ish. It works fine no problems with the dot disappearing or being dim. Zeroed it with only 3 click up & 1 click right. I'm happy so far too early to tell on durability. I asked and it came from amazon. I wonder if there are problems with grey market or counterfeit versions....

Okay, update:   I bought the SIG a couple of months ago, put in the APEX trigger, wrung it out at the range and I've been carrying it for a little while now.   I really like it, my favorite of the Polymer striker-fired "McPistols" so far.  Surefire XC1 and kydex form Bravo Concealment, and just like that I've got me new EDC rig.

He is the coach that was suspended for a year for the targeting scandal. Definitely an individual that should not be allowed around firearms.

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I have a pink one you can wear in case you don't find yours.

I went to the Road to the Horse in KY a few weeks back.They had some mounted cowboy shooting.Was really neat and that is something I would want to get into myself.Only thimg is ,my horse wouldnt like that..lol..

Wondering what you guys are seeing out there. Stripped uppers, BCG's, etc seem to be getting a little sparse on the sites I normally check. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I just too suspicious?

Get 'em now while you can  She's a comin'   https://electionbettingodds.com/

    You can use this site:   https://www.wetransfer.com/   It won't hold the link forever (I think 30-days or something), but it does not have a size-limit, which I find especially nice for a free-service. I've sent Gig's through them for work in a past-life.   - K

Translation: I put my career in the garbage a few years ago w/ the "pay to injure opposing players" scandal. Now my team's record stinks and my QB is nearing retirement. I'm desperate and will kiss any behind to extend my prospects in the NFL (which is becoming more and more PC to cater to soccer moms and sell pink jerseys).

It's tax return season and fellas are blowing their refunds.   That being said, absolutely nothing will be available by November 9th.

Be careful about hunting things (or people) you don't really expect to find and not being truly prepared to find if you do find them..........   Some people are just tough hard to kill dudes and you may have to internally disassemble them to convince them to stop fighting.....Platte was shot 12 times.  FBI Agent Mireles nearly had his arm severed by a .223 round but continued to fight.    Not all former Rangers (Platt)  or Marines (Matix) are necessarily law abiding citizens....there are some well trained bad guys out there.....   Pistols suck at stopping people.   Pistols REALLY suck in a rifle fight.    The gun in your holster is more secure than under your leg if you end up in a car crash.....   If you are injured KEEP FIGHTING you may still win....(Mireles ended the fight after having his arm all but destroyed with a .223 round.)   Ambidexterity and/or 1 handed skill comes in handy sometimes....in this fight McNeill, Hanlon, Platt, Matix , and Mireles were all hit in the arm or hand.    Tactics and aggression make a difference. Platt's use of "Fire and maneuver" flipped the battlefield and came close to getting him and Matix out of there..........if it hadn't been for Mireles.    People that get shot in the face tend to be less combat effective than they were before they got shot in the face. McNeill shot Matix in the face early on and Matix was unable to return fire after that.        What are some things we got directly from this incident?    The government spent A LOT of money on ballistics research. All the ammo designs that we have today that expand AND still penetrate deep enough to hit vital organs from less than ideal angles are a result of the Ballistic Workshops in 87 and in the 90s.   The 40SW cartridge . Love it or hate it, the .40 is a direct result of the FBI blaming the bullet instead of the training/ tactics.    Patrol carbines beginning to be pondered and discussed by forward thinking trainers. The North Hollywood Bank Robbery in Feb 97 pretty much sealed the deal on this.   The push away from revolvers and toward everyone carrying  semi auto pistols in the FBI and the trickle down effect to agencies nationwide. 

  Some people on gun forums say the same thing. :shrug:

Way to go, douche bag. Not just stealing valor, but also managed to make his employees jobless. When you run a business, it's not just about you and your profits. You're providing a home for your employees, a place for them to mature, advance, prosper and grow professionally and personally. You are responsible for your employees like your family. Your action and demeanor affects everyone in your business. What a selfish &@%&$... I guess that shows what a person he really is.

There is zero chemistry among those actors and their characters.

  It may not be a case of directly stealing valor for himself, but he is still stealing it from others who earned it.  When someone tries to present themselves as equal to those who have worn the uniform, or served in a specific billet, they are trying to get people to associate the respect, and honor of that service with themselves, when they haven't earned it.  Those creds he claimed were not his, and he knew it.  If he wanted them, all he had to do was sign up, earn the title, put on a ruck and move out.  By claiming he did so, he stole the valor of those men who did earn those titles and honors.  Just as despicable as someone who buys medals from a catalog and tries to tell people he earned them.   I don't care if they build a decent rifle. It could shoot like a Daniel Defense build, look like a Noveske product, and come with a price tag like it was from a PSA holiday sale, and I still wouldn't care.  If they did indeed lie like they are accused of doing, I won't spend a dime on their products.

  Stolen Valor picked it up and are looking into it, if there's any legitimacy to the accusations they will find out and turn it over.

The performance ctr has the same cut out as the core..