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Tough but somebody has to do it. My second trip to Sedona, AZ and I still can't get enough. Cell phone pictures so not the best quality.

I AM OFFICAILLY A GUN OWNER!!! I went down and did another TICS application and passed in just a few minutes and walked out with my guns WHOOP WHOOP

 

For that many roses the gun better come with a stamp!

I've never understood the fascination with celebrities' opinions. I don't care what he thinks about guns... space aliens, climate change. If he wants to talk about the NFL prospects of Carson Wentz or Goff as future NFL quarterbacks, I'm interested. Otherwise, I really don't care what he thinks.

Graduated with honors from Buford Tune's School of Pinky Blastin'.

I can't ever recall having a malfunction that I would blame on weak factory ammo. I had a run of Winchester white box a few years ago that had very hard primers, but that doesn't really pertain to the question. I don't know the velocities of all factory 9mm, or how "weak" it might be, but my comp./practice hand loads only run about 970fps with a 133gr lead bullet. The hand loads feel weaker/have less recoil than any factory ammo I've shot, if they (hand loads) were causing malfs, I wouldn't be using them.

I didn't take it as a snub or any ways offensive. I was just letting you know I wasn't pulling out of left field. I'm always available for help, let me know if I can.

For what its worth,Ive been an ASE master certified technition for 15 years.

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I was a helicopter mechanic. But got pulled to be a space ship door gunner in a very hush hush black ops unit for the moon spider rebellion Sent from behind the anvil

Totally agree with you all on this! It's just another step in the long term plan to instill Muslim teachings all across the country. Infiltrate the minds of the young ones to accept it. Get a generation involved and keep moving until the caliphate is established here.   Don't believe it? Open your eyes and look at Western Europe. See what's happening there. It's coming here.

That's one tall tree stand in going to need. :p

  I guess those free TV's are to replace your TV that has been taken by looters? They should hand out free guns instead. Oh wait, a Demorat town. It's where police go collect your guns instead of rounding up looters, where law abiding citizens get disarmed instead of the criminals.   Never forget Katrina.

I have just gotten one of the white label Bushnell and the Led is at the 4:00 position instead of the mentioned 6:00. I also called Bushnell on this and they say it is a updated model. I put it on my model 41 and it works just fine. That said it just doesn't seem as bright as the older ones(Brown labeled) Mine still worked well in full sunlight. I have had very good luck with Bushnell customer service so I'm not worried.

  New Orleans is a Democrat town. They even have free TVs and beer after hurricanes.

The Marshals had long guns and got shot up by Gordon Kahl.     Look at the NFL.  Every team has great athletes, but some teams just don't get it together.  Tactics and determination and to a large extent culture can be the winning edge. 

Awesome! Now get to the range and exercise that freedom! :up:

Yes Glock 19 BETTER NEWS -- TBI called me a few hours after I faxed the expedite to them and they said record clear and I am GOOD TO GO!!!

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/04/11/fbi-marks-30th-anniversary-bloody-miami-shootout/   MIRAMAR (CBSMiami/AP) – Thirty years ago, FBI agents Ben Grogan and Jerry Dove died in a vicious gun battle with two heavily armed suspected bank robbers in Miami-Dade’s Suniland area, which is now part of Pinecrest. It’s described as the bloodiest shootout in FBI history. On a street corner in Pinecrest Monday , a wreath was laid to remember the heroes of the FBI who died in the Miami Shootout on April 11, 1986. Five agents were also wounded during the gun battle. “Ben Grogan and Jerry Dove sacrificed their lives to save mine,” said retired agents Edmundo Mireles. “It’s a wonderful gift getting an entire 30 years of life.” Mireles was seriously injured during the shootout, as was fellow agent John Hanlon. Grogan was 53 when he died. He was a two-decade veteran nicknamed ‘The Doctor’ and was one year shy of retirement. Dove was 30 and had joined the agency four years earlier. The so-called “Miami Shootout” involved two serial bank robbers at SW 82nd Avenue and 122nd Street. The suspects, William Matix and Michael Platt were also killed by one of the wounded FBI agents. More than 140 shots were fired. It all started when agents Dove and Grogan spotted the suspects’ vehicle. A high speed chase ensued when the agents tried to stop the vehicle. When agents in three FBI vehicles finally managed to stop the suspects’ car, Matix and Platt came out firing. The incident is infamous in FBI history and is well-studied in law enforcement circles. Despite outnumbering the suspects 4 to 1, the agents found themselves pinned down by heavy rifle fire and unable to respond effectively due to their much smaller service handguns. The suspects had a Ruger assault rifle, a shotgun and .357 caliber handguns. Although both Matix and Platt were hit multiple times during the firefight, Platt fought on and continued to injure and kill agents. This incident led to the introduction of more powerful handguns in many police departments around the country including more powerful semiautomatic weapons for all FBI agents. “Although it was 30 years ago, it is something that will remain for us because it changed us,” said FBI Director James Comey. “It changed our equipment. It changed our training. It changed how we do our work.” The 1988 movie “In the Line of Duty” re-created the blizzard of bullets in the “Miami Shootout.” Some of the weapons used in the shootout are now on display at the FBI building in Miramar as part of a memorial that brought the FBI’s top man from Washington. In 2001, the Village of Pinecrest honored the two agents by co-designating a portion of Southwest 82nd Avenue as Agent Benjamin Grogan Avenue and Agent Jerry Dove Avenue. Street signs and a historical marker commemorate the naming of the roadway in honor of the two agents. (TM and © Copyright 2016 CBS Radio Inc. and its relevant subsidiaries. CBS RADIO and EYE Logo TM and Copyright 2016 CBS Broadcasting Inc. Used under license. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.)

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I got mine today and it seems to work fine, it's a white label and I will zero it tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k9SjMpAxRM

It's good to hear our legislators are finally getting it.  I can't wait to switch from Arabic numerals to Roman numerals in my Algebra classes ...

Excellent topic Randy!   I first read of this incident back in '88-'89 in, iirc, an issue of Handguns Magazine. (I still have the issue in the basement somewhere).   I have a copy of "In the Line of Duty" on DVD. It was remarkably accurate in it's portrayal from what I've read on the subject.             Quite a bit, but sometimes it seems not enough. Fighting institutional dogma, both within Law Enforcement Training and the general training community has been, and on some level, still is, an uphill battle.   This fight was up close, fast, against 2 well armed, practiced and determined individuals and a complete paradigm shift from what was currently taught at that time.   The FBI and the Gun Media deflected the mistakes that were clearly a "training issue" to "a failure of the ammo issue...The 9mm Winchester Silvertip in particular. Ammo isn't the answer in most cases, but having the will to fight, adequate tools (and realistic expectations of their capabilities), and quality realistic training can make a difference. Will make a difference imho.   John Hearne, one of the finest critical thinkers and researchers within our community has an excellent powerpoint presentation on the fight that is probably available on the interwebs somewhere.   I have incredible respect for several of the agents involved, Ed Mireles in particular...Man! You talk about determination and force of will! I don't even think the one hand operation of a 12g pump was being taught at the time, but Mireles put it to use!   Also, again iirc, as this was the very early days of the autoloader and revolvers were still the norm, agents were trained to transition to a second gun (generally a 5 shot J frame) when their primary went empty...a handgun markedly more difficult to shoot rapidly and accurately by comparison...     (You guys have already covered other aspects and improvements quite well and much better I could articulate)       My edited version of Randy's post brings to mind our recent discussion of preparing for a worst case scenario...having to fight a "Todd"...maybe a couple of them, as in this incident. Talk about your day going from bad to worse...   Platt and Matix apparently made a habit of frequent practice, we are talking ammo by the case load. They were knowledgeable of, and utilized some pretty sound tactics, and their level of aggression was obvious.   I am a civilian and it's not my job to chase down bad actors like this...but you never know what will come down the pike. I pray I never find myself in this type of situation, but I am thankful for the positive advances in the art of fighting that is a direct result of the lessons learned from the sacrifice of these gentlemen.

The little red dot on his hand suddenly got bigger !! :panic:

I can't say I have that problem.   My wife has bought me a lot of guns over the years.   She works in law enforcement and the guys sometimes get together for group buys of guns and gear.  She usually buys me what they are buying.   Usually when I get a gun she has bought a something expensive too.    As long as bills are being paid and some money is being put back she doesn't care what I buy and I'm the same.

I was drafted in the Army and served in the Signal Corps :usa: I was lucky, some of my friends weren't. It was many moons ago, but seems like yesterday. Enough said

Okay, update:   I bought the SIG a couple of months ago, put in the APEX trigger, wrung it out at the range and I've been carrying it for a little while now.   I really like it, my favorite of the Polymer striker-fired "McPistols" so far.  Surefire XC1 and kydex form Bravo Concealment, and just like that I've got me new EDC rig.

Check Home Depot for some electronic muffs. Really. I got a couple pair of Peltor muffs there a couple years ago. The work great.

Gotta keep a close eye on those things, they're quick...

    Only if he starts something.... But I see giraffe's as more switchblade type animals...

Looking forward to taking part in one of these in the future.     Looks like y'all had a great time!

That can be a thread all to itself......CULTURE makes a difference.   We see that in the FBI report of offenders who kill cops. The offender has grown up in a constant state of struggle and is often in a state of combat with victims and other predators. He has been arrested by the time he is 12 and carried a weapon since he was 14 . On the other hand the officers that many departments want to hire may have never even been in a fist fight because that would have gotten them in trouble in school. When those two cultures clash guess who has the advantage....    Also a quick anecdotal culture story.....at NTI (National Tactical Invitional) in 2007 I was talking to one of the judges as we waited for the next FOF venue to be ready.....he told me he has been a participant and or judge at all 17 NTI events and he could normally tell where someone was from by how they reacted in the scenarios. He said that people from the Northeast were VERY hesitant to pull a gun . He would just about have to zap 'em with a cattle prod to get them to shoot someone. People from the Southwest would normally give you 1 warning and then shoot. People from the South...they'd shoot you without even talking to you.  I told him that was largely cultural. Many in the South are of Scots-Irish descent and back when their ancestors came over they moved inland to the Appalachians and if someone stole their cattle they wouldn't travel back to the magistrate and wait for them to do something, they'd gather their brothers and cousins and go get their cattle back......whereas the northeast was largely inhabited by folks who were more in line with "following rules" and lived in more urban areas or areas that the "crown" could easier control as opposed to the southern frontier. Many of us are also descended from folks who chose to fight for the Confederacy against what they saw as an invading army in the 1860s and the blood of those people still flows in our veins. When it is time to talk it is time to talk... but when it is time to fight...it is not time to talk. There is time to talk and time to fight but there is not a whole lot of overlap between the two.  He said he'd never really thought of it that way but it made sense.....

https://youtu.be/W0XWGLIQbq8

Yup, sports men's paradise.... wonder what the Duck Dynasty crew has to say about this.... :popcorn:

I have a pink one you can wear in case you don't find yours.

Sorry but not at this time. I went over to Olegs house and got a CD copy of the pictures. I'll see if I can find any of you and I'll PM you if I can. Swamped with my full time job right now so please bare with me.

Wondering what you guys are seeing out there. Stripped uppers, BCG's, etc seem to be getting a little sparse on the sites I normally check. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I just too suspicious?

Get 'em now while you can  She's a comin'   https://electionbettingodds.com/

Never trust football coaches ...

Be careful about hunting things (or people) you don't really expect to find and not being truly prepared to find if you do find them..........   Some people are just tough hard to kill dudes and you may have to internally disassemble them to convince them to stop fighting.....Platte was shot 12 times.  FBI Agent Mireles nearly had his arm severed by a .223 round but continued to fight.    Not all former Rangers (Platt)  or Marines (Matix) are necessarily law abiding citizens....there are some well trained bad guys out there.....   Pistols suck at stopping people.   Pistols REALLY suck in a rifle fight.    The gun in your holster is more secure than under your leg if you end up in a car crash.....   If you are injured KEEP FIGHTING you may still win....(Mireles ended the fight after having his arm all but destroyed with a .223 round.)   Ambidexterity and/or 1 handed skill comes in handy sometimes....in this fight McNeill, Hanlon, Platt, Matix , and Mireles were all hit in the arm or hand.    Tactics and aggression make a difference. Platt's use of "Fire and maneuver" flipped the battlefield and came close to getting him and Matix out of there..........if it hadn't been for Mireles.    People that get shot in the face tend to be less combat effective than they were before they got shot in the face. McNeill shot Matix in the face early on and Matix was unable to return fire after that.        What are some things we got directly from this incident?    The government spent A LOT of money on ballistics research. All the ammo designs that we have today that expand AND still penetrate deep enough to hit vital organs from less than ideal angles are a result of the Ballistic Workshops in 87 and in the 90s.   The 40SW cartridge . Love it or hate it, the .40 is a direct result of the FBI blaming the bullet instead of the training/ tactics.    Patrol carbines beginning to be pondered and discussed by forward thinking trainers. The North Hollywood Bank Robbery in Feb 97 pretty much sealed the deal on this.   The push away from revolvers and toward everyone carrying  semi auto pistols in the FBI and the trickle down effect to agencies nationwide. 

They might be saying that about football coach.

Way to go, douche bag. Not just stealing valor, but also managed to make his employees jobless. When you run a business, it's not just about you and your profits. You're providing a home for your employees, a place for them to mature, advance, prosper and grow professionally and personally. You are responsible for your employees like your family. Your action and demeanor affects everyone in your business. What a selfish &@%&$... I guess that shows what a person he really is.

It's been my experience that if people will lie about the little things then they will lie about the big things, so I don't understand why anyone would NOT have a problem with this.   I'm proud to have actually served in the Marine Corps in a couple of artillery units. I don't feel the need to embellish my experiences for emotional or financial gain.

There is zero chemistry among those actors and their characters.

  Stolen Valor picked it up and are looking into it, if there's any legitimacy to the accusations they will find out and turn it over.

Ok so for general trout fishing the two main rivers to focus on would be the Caney Fork and Elk. They hold trout year round. There are other stock rivers like the Harpeth but the fish will likely die on the summer when water temps get high. I would start with medium light tackle spinning rod with various colored rooster tails. I've had best luck with the trout colored ones. The best option would be to fish with live shiners. That's what the big trout are eating. But that can be an extra pain to deal with. Anything that simulates minnows or shad can catch trout. Focus on bank edges and tails of riffles where trout are sitting catching food coming down stream. Spoons/rooster tails can work in deep pools as well just focus on shaded areas in hot weather. With spinning tackle you can generally avoid wading but it might help to access larger areas of the rivers.

The performance ctr has the same cut out as the core..