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Agreed. Although I probably wouldn't actually buy from either.

Giving away rights to increase the value of a unconstitutional government permission slip is the reason we're not father along in repealing these bad laws today...  I'm all for incremental progress, and using the permit system as a backdoor to allowing more people to go armed more places is just fine...    But, we as 2nd Amendment supports shouldn't be giving ammo to the opposition...  Our current permit system is worthless, the ONLY thing it accomplishes is prevent otherwise law abiding adults from being able to protect themselves.  We've come a long way in the last couple of years, you can now carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle...    We should be pushing to turn the permit into nothing more than a license for those who want to carry in less free states...  anything more than that results in more parasites (government workers) living off of the rest of us.  

Make sure you know which species you are seeing BEFORE shooting. We need as many bees as possible.

    I resemble that remark... :)       Ever seen the EspaceF1?    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGUyIOGVa0M

Not once have I heard this.   Please lets us know where you gleaned these "facts".   Personally is sounds like more fear mongering. Are you by chance a dealer who favors gun shows?

Causing more deaths than mass shootings.   http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/18/ban-this-dangerous-weapon-right-now-before-more-people-die/    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Z-jJ2Z4bU

Outpost Armory has a pretty large selection.

He is a good friend.   Also gave me his dad's MEC Sizemaster to use for a while.   They used to shoot skeet and trap as a family and they would spend the off season loading for when they were shooting.   He said he has 5 gallon buckets of stuff they loaded so he wouldn't need it for a while.  I'm working on filling a few buckets my self and then we will probably trade that thing back and fourth.    It does pass the sniff test..  It has a very pleasant gun power smell.  :)

If you reload odd ball calibers, cost is signifant over factory loads. I have an old 41 Colt and the only way to shoot is to load for it. Small calibers .32 and .380 are also two that are cheaper to reload than factory ammo. I also cast and load in the pistol calibers .357 mag,.38special, 38 s&w,9 mm., 32, 380,45 colt,45 acp,44 mag,. revolver. With powder coating and hi-tek coatings cast bullets are as good as jacketed bullets. My advice , if you are young and want to have a lifetime of shooting and plinking, start collecting brass,lead, primers powder. My .22 's and .17 HMR are the only guns I have to buy ammo for.I buy jacketed bullets for my .223 and 7mm mag rifle, but you can cast and shoot lead in just about any caliber if you want too. Most straight walled brass will last a very long time if you take care of it and don't over flare and over crimp. Annealing makes rifle brass long lasting also. You can also use black powder in a lot of straight walled pistol and rifle brass.You can make your own black powder if it becomes necessary. Unless you are independentally wealthy, most folks have to work to earn money to support their shooting habits, Any time spent casting and reloading is more enjoyable to me than working to buy ammo. Your lifestyle may not be suited to do this, but this fits my lifestyle very well.

Now I'm listening to ringing in my ears. :-) Good show!

    where, when?

I don't reload to save money.  I reload to get more accurate ammo.  Unless you are shooting thousands of rounds a year, there is not really a payback.

My Ruger Old Army .45 loaded with 20 grains of 3FFF Black Powder and 30 grains of "grits" topped of with tissue and grease. Just like a shotgun!!! Happy Bee hunting..... Dave

Hey folks, My name is Kieran and i will be moving from New York to Middle Tennessee at Christmas. As i live in NYC i obviously don't own a gun. i have lots of shooting and hunting experience as i'm from Ireland and shot and hunted a lot back there, My in laws live in Tennessee so i hit the range any time im in TN,   Question Once i move and change my NY state drivers license over to a TN license can i buy a pistol straight away or do i have to wait a certain length of time ?Looking forward to chatting to you all

Specs as Follows: Noveske Upper and Lower Noveske Charging Handle EraThr3 Handguard Ballistic Advantage 14.5 Hanson Barrel B.E.Meyers 249f Saker Flash Hider (Pinned and Welded) Magpul Stock and Grip ALG lower parts kit and Buffer Tube BCM Bolt Carrier Group BCM Sling QD End Plate Geiselle SD-C Flat trigger Cerakoted Magpul Foliage Green Magpul Pro Sights Magpul M-Lok Handstop kit Can't wait to shoot it down range... [url=http://s210.photobucket.com/user/justinmorin/media/IMG_1228.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s210.photobucket.com/user/justinmorin/media/0ef83a10-baf9-457a-a96c-715f211c2e51.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s210.photobucket.com/user/justinmorin/media/0a8cd366-4257-4962-9c30-f51c8f1f451f.jpg.html][/URL] Optics are next ..leaning towards a 1-6 or 1-8 optic

      The RAS-47 seems to be having a lot of issues lately and I would avoid them or any of Century's American made AK's if possible.   The WASR's were once frowned upon, but of late, there has been an uptick in quality of the imports and the 2015 and newer is highly recommended as a solid entry level option. I recommend you watch some of the AK Operators Union videos. Rob from AKOU has purchased a RAS-47 with his own funds and is peforming a 5000 round torture test on it. Thus far, less than 1500 rounds through it and the internal bolt carrier group is showing significant wear, the stock is cracking and one of the ears broke off the front sight post. It's as if the materials used throughout these is of inferior quality or was improperly heat treated,    Here's the videos on the RAS-47 for reference the first at 500 rds, then 1000 and 1500rds follow -   500 rds -   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oUwE7eL-2g   1000 rds -   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIyZx7oYXRg   1500 rds -   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4PpSluO4-A   As for your other comments, making a stamped AK takes skill along with proper techniques and tooling, it's not like putting a hunk of steel on a CNC machine and pop goes the weasel. The Combloc countries have had the proper tooling, techniques and cheap labor in place for decades. It costs more to get that infrastructure up and running in the USA with a skilled workforce that isn't going to work for just a loaf of bread and a bottle of vodka.   For Reference, here is a recent WASR torture test by AKOU, it performed very well.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfUOfDcLX0I

Nice hat. Better not peek over a hill on opening day.

I should consult you as the Oracle on any gun questions, lol.

Whiskey, that looks like one happy girl there. Tell her congratulations.

   You got it buddy :no1:  that was it

Form 1 submitted 12/24, approved 3/22.

We moved our family to Gallatin recently (last June), and I am finally starting to spend most of my time in the area.   I am the Director of Product Development and Engineering for Beretta USA (relatively new, just shy of two years) and we are just starting to ramp up in our new facility in Gallatin.     Happy to be out of the DC area for sure!   I hit the TN Action Pistol shoot this past Wednesday (Feb 3rd) and had quite a bit of fun.  Didn't do so great, but I didn't cause any "incidents" so that is a good start.  Met a bunch of nice people, and look forward to continuing that when I can, and poking around the forums.    

I have a bunch of reloading equipment, its mostly Lee though I have a smattering of RCBS, Hornady etc.  I started reloading in the mid 80's, then it was cheaper to reload for me because I shot my 9mm and .40 almost every weekday 1 box ea at lunchtime and more on weekends, .  I have dies for every caliber I shoot, and since I started trading and upgrading I have a few duplicates.  So far, 9mm and 5.56 has been the only calibers that I could honestly say I could not reload cheaper at times.  But those sales are far and few between, specially since I have collected a bunch of brass.  When I get a new to me caliber, I try and get all the reloading gear with it, currently it's the .277 Wolverine.  I got the dies, gauge and barrel in one order, and since it is almost the same process of the 300 Blackout, the saw and jig I used for that will probably work too.  There are two sources for loaded rounds, but I prefer to do my own due to cost and control over QC.   For trimming I have three ways, one is the Lee hand held, best cheapest way to do it.  Using a drill to chuck the universal 3 jaw chuck make trimming quite effortless, I also got two bench trimmers, a Lyman and a Forster.  The Lyman is setup for my rifle rounds, .270 and 30-06, .303 etc.  The Forster I just got to do neck turning to try and get a more precise case on my .308 and .277, maybe even use some of those "bad" headstamped 300 Blk cases to chamber well.   All this to say that once you start reloading, it becomes a hobby in its own right.  Right now I probably have more ammo and components than I will ever get to shoot and plan on doing more once I get my casting setup going again...yea, another hobby.

If it were bad, you wouldn't be able to get your nose over the neck of the can. bad powder smells BAD indeed...

Yep. A friend will be there for you in time of need,  bring you a can of gas when you're stuck on the road, help you build your house or barn, help you rebuild your engine, etc., etc. A GOOD friend will give you gunpowder.

This is outstanding Spots!   You and your your father are a true asset to this community. Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge.   Unfortunately I will be working (as per my PM), but I will definitely make every effort to attend a future offering and I am very appreciative.   Don't hesitate on this offer folks!

This is pretty well exactly the point I was attempting to make. Adornments like engraved dust covers and such are a form of speech and can be used against us just the same as anything we say out loud.

Cool.  Hopefully I'll make this one.  :up:

How does the saying go "Anything you say can and will be used against you"

  If it can be proven that his mindset was one of disregard for life, which led to him escalating the conflict, or at least failing to deescalate it if he had that ability during this encounter, than what he has on his weapon, and any other forms of personal expression (which the dust cover wording represent) are valid, IMO.  Also, whatever departmental procedure is on the books for the situation will come into play as well, if he didn't follow it, that will be used against him as well.  Everything combined has to be taken into account to determine if it's a reasonable use of lethal force or not.   If it wasn't, that wouldn't be murder 1, or even 2 as the law defines it, but rather manslaughter (unless AZ is different).  It wouldn't be the first time a DA charged someone with murder to make a plea bargain to manslaughter more attractive, or get a conviction from a jury on a lesser charge.  But that's a separate issue altogether.

I'm refraining from commenting on whether I think the shooting was justified or not for two reasons. One, I haven't read into the case and I also have a known bias. Besides, it is a subject that isn't really primary in this case because justified or not, the inscription is being used to cast the incident in a negative light. Some like to cast it as a black and white, justified or not situation when I think there is often the possibility that we may find ourselves in a very grey area as to whether deadly force is justified. This incident goes to show that if it isn't clear cut, the way we adorn our weapons can very possibly be used against us.

We spent $2000 on our Great dane when he was 4 in an emergency stomach flip. It was two days before Christmas and a big part of our family. He lived another 4 years and passed about a month ago from the same thing. We couldn't get him to the vet but I wouldn't have put him throughthat again. It has been very hard on our family but the best for him in the pain he was in.

Dagnabbit! I'm gonna get lucky and be coming through E. TN for one of these get togethers one of these days! I'll be in Atlanta with my kiddo at one of her karate tourneys that weekend.

I had two toms in the yard today fanning and chasing after a hen.

The only relevant fact about a shooting is if the shooting was justified or not, lawyers are BS artists and juries are gullible. It shouldn't matter what is written on the gun, what ammo was used or what modifications were made to the gun. What really matters is if the shooter felt his life was in danger and reasonable cause to believe his life was in danger. I have "heard" that the shooting wasn't justified but again I haven't read any story to make a qualified opinion, i'm not sitting on the jury hearing the case. If I was on the jury and the DA was obsessing about what was written on the gun I believe I would have to give him/her a hint like a big woopdeedo yawn, don't care, just give me the facts about the shooting.

Bass Reeves, shown above, was legendary.  He was born into slavery and didn't let that hold him back.   The real-life Django: The legendary African-American Wild West marshal who arrested 3,000 outlaws and killed 14 men Bass Reeves was born a slave in 1838 and later broke from his owner to live among Native Americans Reeves became a Deputy U.S. Marshal in 1875 at the age of 38 During his 32-year career as a Deputy Marshal he arrested 3,000 felons, killed 14 men and was never shot

I'd be very interested. If you didn't live on the other side of the planet from me. That's a good thing your doing for the members here.

I saw this on another site and was shaking my head.  While I don't think it's an indication that the officer was enthusiastic about killing people (not by itself anyway), I do think it shows a lack of judgement and maturity on his part...so much so I'd question if he has the judgement and maturity to be a police officer in the first place.  If I'm the one prosecuting him, it's a line I'd pursue for the charges at hand.    Also, there is a failure of management in allowing something like that to be on a weapon used for official purposes.  I don't care if it was incompetence, apathy, or approval, on the part of the officers supervisory chain, any reason is unacceptable.

I did not know the orginal lyrics poster Sebastian. But I did post it because people do need to think about worst case. Yeah hopefully it'll be Fred the crackhead or whatever. But training for the worst makes anything else an improvement. And learning what you can do with your own physical ability is a huge part of that. My dad is fond of saying "I'm to old to fight and too crippled to run". He's 63, has two bad knees, a bad shoulder and a bkdy worn out by a life time of brutal work. I would still very much count him as one of the most dangerous men I know in a confrontation. Mental as well as physical training can mean the difference between life and death. My training doesn't define me or run my life, but it is a large part of my life, because I've found a way to make it enjoyable instead of being a grind that I dread doing. Martial arts several times a week, hiking or ruck in a pack while walking with my wife for daily walks. Dry firing while watching TV. Practicing knife techniques by just "playing" with my edc fixed blade when I have down time. Small habits can lead to big results. I hope nobody here ever has to face a confrontation. And if you do I hope it's the skinny crackhead wo pisses himself when he sees a knife or gun. But to immediately underestimate your opponent because you think he's a druggie or just some street thug can be a very bad idea. Prag I'll definitely PM you when I do my next class. I'll be setting one up soon, and hopefully everyone can make it. One last thing. It was drilled into me early and often. Don't ever quit. No matter how bad your beaten, how bad it hurts, etc. Don't ever quit. A man with both his legs broke who is laying in the street still calling you a dirty son of a bitch might be hurt, but he isn't beaten. Refusing to quit and to give up can be one of the biggest differences in surviving a violent confrontation. Sent from behind the anvil

  That's my problem!

I am rather speechless.. I came home and he had a carport build for my car  With the help of a few  TGO`ers    I know who was up here and did this..I cant say thank you enough.. This is from the bottom of my heart..THANK YOU.!!. i cant  say thank you enough and he said  you guys would not take any money.But he did say that you would enjoy a good German home cooked meal.I  will do that..Lets get together up here and I will make Schnitzel and all the fixin`s. .. I think the last get together we roasted a whole pig, but that was like 6 years ago..So we are overdue..WAY OVERDUE...     I want to thank you all.. I love you  guys..Now Betty ( yes, her name is Betty  :D , has a place to sleep..:)    Will let ya all know the time when :)      Petra               

Member of the Family. Where's the box for "Alternative Child Choice"?!? LOL My friends sadly hit a dog yesterday. There's a house by us that has a ton of dogs all loose and they always run into the road. My friend was cautious but one was determined. They rushed it to the vet for care. Covered in blood they went back to inform the owner and they non-chalantly just said "it was bound to happen, did you put her down"? Needless to say my friends are now paying a lot of money for a new dog. I told her to name it Lucky and she said she was naming her Xena. I didn't have the heart to tell her she's a lesbian in the reboot they're planning.

I've been reading that brass can be "too clean" when expanding and the brass sticks.

I was in an MOS where a pistol was issued as part of the MTOE.  We got minimal training on pistol marksmanship and zero combat handgun training.  Personally, I think the entire military is long over due for a complete change in marksmanship and combat weapons training.

For me, it comes down to what will be the dogs quality of life if it is successful.  Even if it is successful, can he lead a fairly normal, active life.  He is very young, so age isn't really a factor for me in a decision like this.     Only you can say if you can afford it.  I have spent thousands on my dogs in the past, but I was fortunate it wouldn't keep me from making the house payment and I am single and they have been my kids.  Almost all vets will work out a payment plan as well.     If I was fairly certain they knew what the problem was and were confident it could be fixed (more accurately, managed) by surgery, I would do it.  If I wasn't 80% sure, as much as I would hate to, I would probably euthanize the dog.  Not so much because of the money, but the fact that I wasn't convinced the dog wouldn't suffer.   It's heart wrenching I know.  

This one may be pushing the boundaries a little but I think it's hilarious (mods delete if it is crossing the line)

A J-Frame Smith either OWB or pocket carry. I have had several of my fellow HCP holders explain to me that I stand no chance against the ISIS battle group that inevitably assaults my neighborhood Walmart. Whereas, they with their neato double column semi-autos will be able to save the day by taking out the entire ISIS organization with two extra magazines of 9MM. This is based on their combat experience at some neat school at some pistol range. I spent a total of 60 months in combat in VietNam (4 Tours) with the USMC so I am in no position to question their superior logic. I only need 5 shots to shoot the dumb SOB that goes looking for me and finds my hiding place.

low tech, I just spray them with carb cleaner dead as a door nail in seconds.

My "primitive hunting" setup: