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I've seen ammo in proper ammo cans stand up to floods, tornadoes, falling out of trucks, and decade after decade of storage. I can't imagine why I would use anything else for storing ammo.

first gun I ever bought was because I thought guns were cool.   I went to China Town, ( think walmart back in the 70's) bought a Model 60.  I went with buddies and we drank beer, smoked weed and shot down a tree. It was great fun. No one did anything stupid, there were other .22 rifles and we felled a small tree.  It really is a great memory.    Later I got infatuated with a real gun. So I bought a revolver. A .44 Navy way back in the day through Gander Mountain.  Mail order pistol.  It was the coolest thing to shoot. Mailed a check, they sent me a pistol.  How good does it get, the hand cannon.   Since then I have found other reasons to have firearms.  But basically it still boils down to gun are cool.

The whole shebang costed me a fair bit of money, but after 10± years, my girlfriend finally obtained her HCP. I figured a gun of her own would be the next logical step. I picked up a 9mm Shield (her choice) and had Amendment 2 Custom Coating make it all purdy with some pink Cerakote. With her Birthday and Christmas being only a few days apart, she has somewhat reluctantly accepted the occasional Happy Birthday/Merry Christmas gift. I haven't been brave enough to try and get away with that, until now. With the HCP class, HCP itself, the Shield, and the Cerakoting, I think I was able to get away with it this year. She's super stoked!

What, some .22 LR came in?  

In the spirit of TDR's offer and Christmas; I will pay for an additional year subscription for another lucky winner to be determined by TDR.

I just like them!

  Dr Susan Gratia-Hupp - Survivor of the 1991 Kileen TX Lubys Shooting Massacre   Published on Dec 22, 2012 Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when the Luby's massacre commenced. The gunman shot 50 people and killed 23, including Hupp's parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state's concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet away in my car." Her father, Al Gratia, tried to rush the gunman and was shot in the chest. As the gunman reloaded, Hupp escaped through a broken window and believed that her mother, Ursula Gratia, was behind her. Actually however, her mother went to her mortally-wounded husband's aid and was then shot in the head. As a survivor of the Luby's massacre, Hupp testified across the country in support of concealed-handgun laws. She said that if there had been a second chance to prevent the slaughter, she would have violated the Texas law and carried the handgun inside her purse into the restaurant. She testified across the country in support of concealed handgun laws, and was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1996. The law was signed by then-Governor George W. Bush.    

  it took her 10 years to finally obtain a HCP ?  Come on, its not that hard...

Either way, no sense rushing into anything... :)

  Go back and add them to your cart.  There really is no substitute if you're looking for classy, robust, long-term storage.

Update: A Glock tech just called me to ask a few questions and let me know that there are going to "update" some internal parts and get it on the way back to us next week. They paid the FedEx both ways

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My respect for Kurt just went up a notch.

  Self defense, just enjoy shooting AND, because sanctimonious elitist liberals don't want me to have one. Actually that should be the most important reason, to exercise our Constitutional rights, to spite those who wish to destroy traditional America. That's why I love hearing that when the "traitors" start screaming about trampling the 2nd Amendment there are record numbers of gun sales, the people giving them the big finger.

I edited this to say use Laquer thinner. It makes the process fool proof. It is amazing and the only variable is the amount of powder. I was able to use a lot less than when using acetone and with laquer thinner the coat was much nicer. I decided to try the laquer thinner an it is fool proof. Add a little powder then swirl around to see if you have enough to coat the bullets. Then pour off the excess laquer thinner and pour the bullets out. Wait for them to dry then bake. The powder coat powder does not stick to the plastic bucket and for some reason ONLY sticks to the bullets. I am absolutely amazed at the results. So I have been promising a write up with a few pictures. Here are the items you will need Powder coating powder For the powder I have tried expensive powders and cheap powder. They all seem to work equally well. I initially used Harbor Freight red and it worked well so I order a few other colors from Powder by the Pound. They arrived quickly and they were cheap in 2oz sizes and it is a Tennessee company. I made sure to order the 400 degree powder from PBTP. Acetone Laquer Thinner The acetone laquer thinner is just like you find at any hardware store. Nothing special but I would caution against using nail polish removed that is acetone as they tend to have other ingredients that might affect adhesion. Container For the container I found some small buckets at Walmart for $2 each. They seem to work well with the size batches I am doing. I think any container will work providing the acetone doesn't eat it. Screen I used 1/4" hardware clothe that is available at most home improvement stores. I cut a piece just big enough to fit in the oven then I rolled the edges up to keep the bullets from rolling off. A word of caution. These are generally zinc plated and zinc is bad for you if it gets too hot. At 400 degrees there isn't any fumes but at 425 it was smoking. Toaster oven I bought one at Big Lot for $30 which is about the price for anywhere else. It needs to go to at least 400 degrees to work. Be careful as I have seen some that only went to 300 degrees. I will also caution against buying them used as the thermostat is what generally goes and you end up with a stove you cannot control the temperature on. Mask You need to have a filtered mask. Not a dusk mask but a mask that is designed to filter out fumes. I picked mine up a Harbor Freight for less than $20 and it works great. Eye protection I wear glasses so this is not an issue but I will say after every time I have done this I have spots on my glasses. So without eye protection you will likely get something in your eye. ******************************************************************************************* Now onto the instructions First I start by preheating the oven. I will put it on 400 degrees and set the timer for 15 minutes. It doesn't take 15 minutes to heat up that small oven. I put on my mask and eyeprotection before opening either the acetone or the powder. The powder can be as harmful as the acetone until the powder is baked on so ALWAYS wear your mask. Now I choose the color I want to use and add it to the bucket first. Here is how much powder I put in the bucket for ~100-150 bullets. You definitely want to add enough to coat the bullets. I normally add 2-3 scoops of powder using a 1.9 Lee dipper to measure. This is generally enough to do a batch of 100-150 bullets, depending on the size of the bullets. Next I add the acetone to the powder. This is generally how much acetone I use. There is no scientific measuring method for this but I will say you want too much rather than too little. If you have too much it adds a few minutes to the tumbling and evaporating time but if you add too little the bullets will come out blotchy and dull. At this point I begin to swirl the mixture around. If you have some clumps you can add 5-10 bullets to help break them up before adding the rest of the bullets. After the mixture is nice and uniform I now I add the bullets and begin tumbling by hand. At this point I begin to lightly shake the mixture up. I generally do a back and forth motion with a swirl every 2-3 times around. I will also kind of flip the bullets end over end like you do when flipping a pancake. You want to tumble them just vigorously enough to coat the bullets with the mixture. And you continue to shake, and shake and the bullets will not looked coated at all. They will have a light tinge of color but the silver is definitely shining through. Then finally the acetone begins evaporating and the amount of time is dependent on how much there is as well as the temperature. And it will not evaporate very quickly if you do not tumble. You can actually set the bucket down for 30-45 minutes and they will still need to be tumbled. But tumbling will evaporate the acetone enough within 5 minutes of constant tumbling. And as the acetone evaporates the bullets get more and more color. And when the bullets seem to be holding on to the color this is a critical time. You want to dump the bullets while they are still wet, but not too wet, but definitely do it before they get too dry. If the acetone evaporates too much the bullets will not have a wet look and will actually have a dull, rough finish. It doesn't affect performance from testing but it does look like crap. At this point the bullets should be uniformly covered with color AND still wet to the touch. There should be some of the mixture in the bottom of the bucket and on the bullets that is about the consistency of Testor's paint. It should still run from gravity and if the bulelts have color but the coating is still running in the bottom of the bucket then it is time to dump the bullets. Another big indicator for me is the sound of the tumbling bullets. The sound changes slightly as the bullets are trying to move agains the resistance of the thicker coating. This is how they should look right before dumping them out onto the screen. Uniform in color, still wet to the touch and still shiny. (Sorry for the crappy picture). I do not have a picture but you dump them out onto the screen. Then I give them a quick shake to try to keep some from sitting on top of others. At this point the bullets will dry very quickly and I give them a quick shake every 30 seconds or so until dry. After about 2-3 minutes they will be dry to the touch and not be tacky. When they are I seperate the bullets as best as I can on the screen so none of them are touching while they bake. Then I stick the bullets and screen into the toaster oven which is set to 400 degrees. I set the timer and let the bullets bake for 10-15 minutes depending on the size of the bullets and how they are looking. As they bake they will become a little more shiny than when they were dry. Once they are uniform in how shiny they all look I carefully remove them from the oven. And this is how they will look coming straight out of the oven, shiny. I set them out to cool for 10 minutes or so. The powder coat will be tacky when they first come out and will remain tacky for 3-5 minutes until they have cooled enough to allow the powder coat to harden. After that you can touch the bullets but be careful because they will still be extremely hot. And if you touch them while they are still tacky they can stick to your finger, ask me how I figured that one out. After that you can either shoot them as they are or size them down dependong on your application. Sizing them does not remove the finish at all. The coating seems to add about .002" to the size of the bullets. So if you have bullets that are the same size or .001" over the bore size as cast then they will not need to be sized after they are coated. If the bullets are any larger as cast then you might try sizing them down to .002" over the bore size. I have personally pushed these to over 2,000 fps without any issues. As a matter of fact the bore seems a lot cleaner than with jacketed or cast and lubed. I have read of people pushing them to 2,800 fps without issue. The advantages are that the bore never leads. It is also cleaner. And the biggest advantage is it encapsulates the lead to prevent exposure. This si something I will be doing with all my cast bullets. And I am not 100% positive they need to be baked. Here is a bag on its way back to Caster: And finally, if you have ANY questions feel free to ask.

No, I can get how one would think what you thought. I just am very familiar with that idea so read it the way he meant, I believe. :-)

http://thehill.com/regulation/263632-democrats-want-to-buy-your-guns This is awesome! Pay me 25% more than my guns worth. I go buy more and nicer guns with my new funds. Wait, they thought it through even more. I can't buy guns or ammo with the card. So I buy my groceries with this card and buy my new guns with cash I had earmarked for groceries before this windfall. Gun companies love it. Sure we are all paying for this program, but pro gun folks make money off it while the anti pay in and get nothing! Sent from my SCH-I435 using Tapatalk

Watched it today during a vendor event. Free 3d, free concessions and even had empty seats on either side of me!   I flipping loved it. It had just the right amount of campy and the characters were great. They fixed everything that was wrong with the last three.   The only negative light I could shed on it is that it had some rather convenient writing. I thought it was predictable but it didn't ruin the experience for me in the slightest.   ****edit*** Spelling

Yeah I think they may be okay now that they got this little issue resolved. I ain't bashing just having fun!

Folks use a lot of different methods to store ammo but truth be told the steel ammo can is probably one of the best ways. I've managed to rat hole all I need over the years but still buy one up if I see it at a yard sale.

The gubbermint will just print more....it's what they do.

I use ammo cans and plastic coffee cans. Yes ammo cans are better. But I got reloads in plastic coffee cans. I did a large 9mm run in 05 and dump them in plastic coffee cans. Open one up yesterday and they look the same as the day I dump them in. Shot some and the all went bang.

    My wife has that attitude.  She's got her permit but rarely carries.  When I ask why not, she says... "you've got yours..."  :shrug:

I'm sure there is an age difference between us Mike, but your story reminds me a LOT of my late teenage/early twenties years. Me and a few buddies would load up (in every sense of the word) and spend all day shooting up yuca plants in the desert. Those little buggers are in the ground good, but a 7.62x39 or 12guage double aught will get em jumping good. :D

Although when I moved from CA to rural PA for a year there was very little to do and well their I was introduced to hunting.  I did it the one session and got a 30/30 for Christmas.  However we moved from PA to Urban MD and never returned to hunting again.  Never actually fired that 30/30 it took more then 20 years before I was finally able to fire it.  Oct 2012 me and my mother were watching one of those Discovery channel gun shows and they were shooting and it looked like fun so I suggested lets look into going out and tiring that out.  Since she doesn't move well at the time required the use of a walker she suggest I go and try it out if it was fun then she would join me.  It only took me going out once.  I rented a bunch of guns and bought ammo from the range.  I was hooked.  In under a year I went from 1 30/30 that was never fired to 14 guns and was out at the range 3 to 4 times a months.  Granted my collection is small compared to many here but I have a pretty good sampling of what is out there.  Once you have a gun in your home you realize how much better you feel knowing it is there if you need it.  Since I was living in the People Republic of Maryland getting a HCP was out of the question but I did get a Utah and have used it to carry in other states I just moved to TN this year and am in the process of getting a TN HCP.   Thanks Robert

Never on an AR or any other firearm sort of.  I did have a Ruger 10-22 discharge when I disengaged the safety once.  There was an RO standing next to me during a competition so he was watching my every move.  Later that day we both tried every way we knew to replicate it but could not do it.  I've been in extremely close proximty of 3 that claimed a slam fire but I'm certain they were not slam fires but AD's or ND's due to having the finger on the trigger while charging the firearm.   The firing pin in AR's float.  If you remove an unfired cartridge that you let the bolt slam forward on it will leave a very light mark on the primer almost every time.

Nice to see someone in Hollywood with some common sense.     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7hlG-CTnk8

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/the-real-guns-of-star-wars/    

Initial adjustments and periodic sanity checks are the only time I weigh any charges. I agree that weight is theoretically more accurate, but I only use low volume powders like Bullseye and Win231, so volume is surprisingly consistent.   Using a case activated powder drop is perfectly safe to me, especially if you're using an auto-indexing turret or progressive. I think it removes a level of human error, because you're less likely to double charge or skip a charge. As long as you visually inspect as you go to make sure there wasn't a rare mechanical failure, you're gonna be safe.

  With Credits.   Hope I didn't spoil anything.  :)

  Just a side note here, if you were referring to Steelharp, besides being a fanatic on many things; He is a professional musican. Chiefly the steel guitar and the mouth organ, better known as a harmonica. Hence, "steelharp."   Heck of a great guy too.     EDIT: Dang it...he's fast too. lol

By the way thanks for the inspiration! I write TV and radio scripts. I wrote one based on Christmas Vacation yesterday that my boss and clients love! You get inspiration in odd ways. I guess I shouldn't be shocked that guns inspire me! Sent from the Fortress of Solitude.

Don't want the prize... MERRY CHRISTMAS

My 2001 Frontier has a leaky rear main seal. I asked my mechanic about it and he said to just keep an eye on the oil level and leave it alone. Sometimes "fixing" it makes it worse. I put a piece of plywood down in my carport to catch the drips and stopped worrying about it.

Tell us how it ends!

We'll need a full Wally Walk report. Also, I am kinda jealous when I say that because I did mine with my G29. She'll have it a little bit easier with this. Tell her congrats!

   Same here. Never owned what you would class as a self defense gun 'til I was grown, actually 'til I was out of the Army. Thing was, at the time, I belonged to a rescue squad in Westmoreland. During the big flood of '69, we went to Red Boiling springs, which had heavy flooding. Went there looking for bodies + guard patrol. About 3 AM, shot were fired up on the hill. At what or who, never knew. Bought a Colt 38 next day. Roiugh day. Got a new respect for the power of water.

Probably get diner at the White House.

You could omit "in the middle of a gang shooting" and that still be true lol

You win this thread, Sir. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

How else am I going to post operator pictures of myself onto Facebook?  Chicks dig selfies with military style rifles.  Just ask them.

Hmmm.... I was hoping to see an option that said "2nd Amendment" because that's my reason. :)

  You couldn't 4.5 years ago when he wrote that. :)   - OS

I have 1 carbine length handguard, one midlength hand guard, one grip without screw, and one DPMS adjustable buttstock(commercial). Free to good home. I live in South Nashville. Anyone interested?

You are using the same directional antenna to receive and transmit so if you can receive you should be able to transmit. Directional on both ends would extend your range but would be harder to aim.   I used my colander set up mostly when camping and visiting relatives that didn't have networks. I would try to hook up on an open networks in the neighborhood. Now that most routers are shipped with passwords I don't use it any more. It all folded up in a fairly small case.   Just to repay the universe and keep good karma, I have two networks set up in my house, one locked and one open for visitors to the neighborhood.

I'd be pissed too.  You buy Glock for reliability.  If you wanted something that can be ammo picky and unreliable you could get some fancy 1911 and then you'd at least have something that's aesthetically pleasing to look at while you're clearing malfunctions.  LOL!

Universal background checks (UBC) is just a stepping stone to registration. The only way to make sure that people aren't transferring without background checks is to have an auditable inventory for everyone...that's what they'll say after UBC is law.

A carbine in the truck to me is just the next logical step in getting me home. My first thought is in most recent times the BLM protestors blocking roadways. Granted blocking a road alone is not a cause for pulling the trigger, but what if you run into that amount of attackers armed? Or just simply violent? I like 90 rifle rounds over 30 pistol from my Glock 19 in that scenario. If you drive a vehicle with a fold up rear seat, this is something I saw that seems like a very legitimate way of mounting one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My truck gun is a cheap AR. Got maybe 500 bucks in it. It's like leaving a Glock in the truck.

I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.  Recent events are changing the way I look at self defense.  I can see an AR or mini14 in my truck. (Without rifle rack however)