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So I am thinking about starting a TGO Hall of Shame upon which I will post the names of members who have, for various reasons, earned themselves a public shunning.   Extreme?  Hear me out.  :)   Every so often I have to spend an hour or so of my time in email and on the phone fighting to keep $20.  Because every so often someone buys a Benefactor membership here, uses it to post some ads in the Trading Post, and then goes to PayPal and disputes the charge saying that we charged them without authorization.  :rolleyes:   Bear in mind that we do not do automatically recurring subscriptions for this precise reason.  I never want TGO to automatically debit someone's account and be the reason why they overdraft at their bank, or can't buy groceries or put gas in their car.  An unexpected debit could easily cause any of those scenarios to play out.   So when someone buys a Benefactor membership, it's not a mistake.  They did it willingly.  And as most of you know, a Benefactor membership on TGO has some pretty immediate value and perks, the least of which not being the ability to use our Trading Post to post advertisements.  Which means that anyone who summarily demands a refund from PayPal is essentially trying to defraud TGO and "screw the system", so to speak.   And that's why I am tempted to start a Hall of Shame.   Because if you're willing to rip us off, everyone ought to know it.   :shrug:   What do you guys think?    

I wonder if having a minimum post count would help? Don't make it a crazy number but requiring anyone who wants to sell something to have a minimum of 5 or 10 posts would cut down on those who register to dispute them.   Another option could be that staff approves all posts by those who do not have 10 posts.   I think there is a large segment of the population who does not believe it is stealing if it is done on the internet. I have had people try to dispute stuff with me even though I had a no questions asked money back guarantee. But I believe it was never about getting the refund and all about being able to keep what I sold them without paying for it. And if I could have convinced my local LE to I would have prosecuted every single one of them.   I would rather see a hall of shame with all the classic threads where people have lost their minds.

Don't forget to send a few bucks to NRA-ILA, guys.

Must...resist...profiling...

I find it helpful to replace "opinion polls show" with "Americans that still have landlines that answer unsolicited phone calls from numbers they don't recognize think."     It really helps put it all into perspective.

Mine will be to you by the end of this week.  If anyone backs out, they would be perfect candidates for TGO David's new Wall of Shame he's thinking about doing.

I would not want our classifieds hidden from non benefactors. I bet a lot of sales come from non benefactors so hiding the classifieds would only hurt our benefactors.

I like the idea of a Hall of Shame for people who provided so much entertainment value here in threads that lead to them getting banned.     As for people stiffing you,  unless it is real common and not just the occasional act I'd take the high road and file it under the cost of doing business. Karma is a cruel mistress and those people will get theirs someday.  

No, you should ban them. If I understand what you are saying, they know they need to be a benefactor to sell something. So they place the item for sale and then later dispute the charge? Who wants to buy and sell guns with people like that; ban them and call it a day. I’m generally against banning people over BS; buts that’s just plain criminal. You could post who they are though for the entertainment value or in case they sell other places. A lot of us have been benefactors a long time and rarely sell anything.

Yes!  I want to know for the simple fact that it is dishonest behavior and I don't want to do business with someone that would do you and the forum that way.

That old hag needs to shut her damn pie hole. She couldn't be Secretary of State without disaster so I have no idea why anyone would feel she could be a decent POTUS. Then again....look at the loonies that support crap like she's spouting. Honest to God......any moron knows only criminals would have guns if law abiding citizens were stripped of their right. She should frequent more "gun free zones" without her armed security force. Crap like this makes me crazy.

A Federal gun ban would create a new group of criminals overnight. I can’t believe that could get passed through Congress. Of course Hillary would do it if she could; so would Obama. Neither of them gives a damn about the United States Constitution or an individual’s right to self-defense, and couldn’t care less if they violate it.

Black lives only matter when white people are involved. When black people kill black people, it is not news because it does not support the narrative. In fact, it's racist to even bring this up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I went to the Green Hills theater today to watch Sicario(which was awesome), and I saw staff wanding people looking for weapons before a special viewing. I was disturbed by this and spoke to a cop there. I asked him where the signage was banning weapons from the premises? I looked everywhere and not a one sign in sight. The manager said, "I think we have one somewhere...." Yeah, that wand is gonna do a lot of good when a psycho goes out the unguarded exit door in the theater and gets weapons. Rolling my eyes at that.. The cop didn't know dick about proper signs or anything like that. I don't think he fully understood anything. I'm preaching to the choir here, but I was annoyed by it all. Just had to get it off my chest.

I don't know how to start this. Very emotional topic but i feel that i can share it here among folks who would understand. A couple months ago, my great uncle (87) passed away after a battle with cancer. He was a U.S. Army veteran of the Korean War and distinguished himself with meritorious service with the 45th Infantry Division. He was awarded the bronze star along with other medals and was honorably discharged in 1956.   He was like a third grandfather. Due to geographical challenges, he was much closer to me than many other family members. He taught me how to shoot. My first round was fired on his farm in the hills of North East TN.   Before he passed, i expressed to my grandmother how much one particular gun in his collection meant to me. It was a 9mm. When i shot it around age 10, i had no idea of the significance. When my grandmother inquired about this gun on my behalf, she was told that it had been sold. Over the years, the gun in question served by my great uncles right hand. It was the gun found under the newspaper on the coffee table. He had many guns but this one was special to him. As i aged, he finally told me the story of the "9mm." This particular gun was brought back from Germany after WWII by a friend of his. It was a German P-38.    After he passed, i would have been pleased with the opportunity to purchase any of his guns from the family. Unfortunately, that opportunity never came. However, my grandmother called me tonight and everything changed. She told this story to another family member only to find out that he had purchased the gun from my great uncle. He graciously gave the firearm to her for me to pick up. For this i cannot thank him enough. It's not only a damn cool piece of history--it's a family heirloom that i will treasure as long as i live.   I don't think i can say anything to this individual to express how much i appreciate the generosity shown during a very tough time. I greatly miss my uncle and my friend but i this gesture will allow me to keep his memories close whenever i pick up this firearm.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5UevdKIk4

..and his oral sex comment. I laughed pretty hard at that.

Alright Gentlemen, The Knives have been officially ordered and Protech will start to build them very soon, I am trusting all of you that committed to buy these that have not already paid to do so by the end of this month as we agreed on,

I don't like the wall of shame because of potential liability issues. The person doesn't have to be in the legal "right" to file a court action. People can (and do) file for frivolous or other reasons. Imagine some anti-gun poster with the legal support of some anti-gun group doing this specifically to get posted on the wall so they could file a slander lawsuit, for example. It's not worth the hassle, in my opinion.    I'd suggest that posting an ad requires 1) At least 30 days of membership to include at least 20 real posts. (No "Me too" or multiple posts to that in your opinion, are made just to pad the post count. 2) An upgrade to benefactor.    There may be some better policies at other gun groups. I'd suggest checking them out.

saw Smith on TD for a moment, I was amazed at how much weight he has lost.   LOL'd at his Clerks comment.

Why the hell did the police need bayonets?

Hope the neighbors won't mind when I do mine. :pleased:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n9Ebx-bXLI

    Sure that's feasible.  If you're hunting in the woods in east TN, its tough to get a shot much beyond 75 yds anyway.   The SKS will have 3-4x more energy, plus its just a cool old milsurp.    The SKS is a "gateway" gun.  They're fairly plentiful, inexpensive, easy and fun to shoot.  You'll get one and think... you know, this is a pretty cool old gun.  Before long, all sorts of cool old guns will begin to appear... 91/30's, K31's, Mausers, 1903's, Enfields,  ...  :)

  It's always refreshing when Carol gets to bare her teeth.   - OS

Do it! Maybe even consider some retroactive hall of fame alumni. I can think of a few thieves, crooks and general douche bags worth mentioning.

Your house, your rules, shame them. Might make a new member wait 30 or so days, have a number of posts before posting something for sale.

How sorry can a guy be? Wow. I'd like to know who people like this are so I won't have the misfortune of trying to deal with them.

I am all for it.  Shame away.  The electronic version of putting the bounced checks on the wall behind the cashier.

Flying Southworst a fella probably needs a couple stiff drinks.

Basically same thing happening at our place. Land and cell lines have been getting a few of these intrusive calls. But on the up side...I spent a good hour watching all the BBC clips. And had a great time.

Bring it. Let us get this out in the open and settle it.

DO IIIIITTTTT!!! Mainly because I'm like 12 and love to see the drama. Otherwise it's probably a waste of your already limited time.

I guess I'll go pull the guns out of the safe and put ammo in there instead. :ugh:

  Hey you can't pick and choose if you want a couple dozen Ring of Fire heaters all in the same place. :)   - OS

Update, the gun came into today to my FFL, it shipped on Friday (10/16).  Barrel has some smiles, but over-all 90% gun.  Very very pleased.  I will post some pics in a few.  :up:  :up: :up:  :up:  

  Because the defense spending bill is the perfect place to tuck this into.  The defense budget is some of the most politicized legislation in Washington with everything that it touches, and it's a "must pass" every year, because DoD has to have an operating budget to cover the day to day operations at home and abroad.    So, while transferring surplus pistols to the CMP for resale is something the President, or the DoJ wouldn't like to swallow, it's not worth a veto of the total spending bill in practical or political terms.  The cost amounts to a rounding error in a roughly $500 billion budget that has way too many other top priorities, and it's hard to argue that this is "keeping guns away from criminals" with the controls that CMP uses administers the program, not to mention that the 1911 can only hold less than 10 rounds as they like to tote so frequently.

Diggity! You da man! Can't wait for this one! I have decided this will replace my Kershaw Blur as my EDC. My LG101 filled that role until its tragic disappearance. I contemplated carrying the Godfather, but it's simply too awesome. That... and I always seem to poke a few holes in the opposite hand whenever I use it. :/ It remains a dress/showoff knife for nice occasions. The Runts are awesome, but I find myself going back to the Kershaw Blur for EDC for its size and comfort under heavier use. The TR4 will be my workhorse, and I can't wait!

I saw this and bugged out! Can I come out of my bunker yet? :panic:

Pink Floyd..Live in Gdansk.. 2005

People have no shame anymore. Sometimes you have to do it for them.

This is for all the old timers in here..RIP ...Joe I've wore this record out ...lol   This is also a version I like of this song...waylon done a great job of it.   https://youtu.be/CyZKfUrK0Hs

go to youtube and find a video. Go up to the browser bar and copy it, then paste it here.      Should look like this without the space in youtube.   https://www.you tube.com/watch?v=fK9hK82r-AM    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK9hK82r-AM

Doesn't surprise me.   During the Democratic debate they all were fighting over each other to see who could be the top NRA hater. 

It's a sad state of affairs that you have to deal with this, David.  Proves gun owners can have their asshat's just like any other group.  If anyone is slimy enough to pull a trick like disputing the charges when they go through all the steps to buy a benefactor membership, they deserve to be called out for it. There is no excuse with the rules laid out very clearly in the stickies, and a dose of internet vigilante justice would seem to be called for.   I'd recommending an update the sites user agreement to make it clear that's what will happen if they try to screw the site so the offenders will think twice about retaining an ambulance chaser to sue TGO over it.

The greatest face I can think of for the responsible, law abiding, American gun owner. I wish there were more like him. He'd make a good NRA president.

This is a recent article written about Australia's point of view verses America comparing the two and Australia's saying their gun laws would never work in the United States for many reasons. It is a long article so read it when you have time. I read it all. The last few paragraphs are the most interesting about facts.   http://www.thefederalist.com/2015/06/25/the-australia-gun-control-fallacy/

Call the TWRA, I have heard of them retrieving deer in these situations.  I know of one such instance personally.  It's worth a shot so that the deer isn't wasted.

That only come on the XD mod2 holsters ;-)

  I wish I could find the video, it may have been on "Impossible Shots" but Jerry takes an M&P 15-22, fires three shots at a steel target 75 yards, fires all 3 before the first hits the steel. POW POW POW,,,DING DING DING. Jerry isn't human.

Yeah..pretty soon they will be wanting to wand you at the grocery store, hardware store and the like. That's a load of crap and people better raise hell about it....well level headed people anyway.

What's up with all of the propaganda, Comrade?