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If he's gonna stand me up and ask, he better ask quick. Like was mentioned by someone else, I don't play lamb to slaughter very well. I may well die, but even if I'm unarmed I still have every intention of cramming my pocket knife or a pen or pencil or my thumb through your eye and into your brain and we can go meet God together. It's good to stand strong in faith, and I honestly don't know if I would say yes, but I'm probably gonna be thinking more of hurting him then trying to figure out the answer that nut job wants. I have no issue dying as long as I try and hopefully succed in taking that sonofabitch with me. I know where I stand with my God. Sent from behind the anvil

10-15 people killed in one spot = national news. Same killed Every weekend in chicago...

This may sound old, too simple or general but every time something like this happens, my first thought about "why" goes way back to when I really believe we lost our moral compass.  We quit teaching our children responsibility and accountability.  We took morals out of our schools and instead of supporting our teachers ability to maintain civility and control in their classrooms, we started sueing them for looking at our kids sideways.   If I got spanked at school, I got spanked again when I got home.  No questions asked.      Our system of values went to "there is no absolute right and wrong".  We look for someone to blame for our woes.  It is no longer OUR OWN fault.   When I was young in the late 50's and 60's, my father had firearms in the house.  I was a small, skinny, nerdy kid who was bullied.  But I NEVER, EVER gave any thought of taking one of my fathers guns to school to "settle the score".   I know I am preaching to the choir here, but folks is isn't the guns.  My dad's guns were never locked up but I knew they were not toys and were not to be played with or touched. 

Apparently the answer to the age old question is, "Not always."

The comments are great.

At what point would you begin to believe this crap is staged? :mad:   Either way, it's tragic for sure.   My children are about to inherit one screwed up world.

I've had a Fenix PD35 for 3-4 years now. Throw is around 200 yards at highest setting of 850 lumens. South off $100 too  :up:

LMAO     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU5cMZymSr0

It's an AWESOME show!

That would be called Planned Parenthood.

If you don't think Hillary would have someone knocked off, you need to read up on the trail of dead bodies of people she and Bill dealt with back in Arkansas.

I have the X products Side Charge 9mm and its pretty slick. Its mounted on a QCTen lower AR pistol. I prefer it to the SIG MPX with the typical AR rear style. Makes it closer to the MP5k that I am use to that I can no longer afford :rofl: [url=http://s738.photobucket.com/user/llsvegas/media/IMG_1438.jpg.html][/URL]

You guys can’t be serious? This is a Hoax or was planned, and Sandy Hook didn’t happen? I would hate to admit that I had so much hate in my heart for my government that I would think they planned or participated in any of this. Obama is a low life for using this and the past events for political gain; but involved? That’s ridiculous. Common sense should tell you how many people would need to be involved and keep their mouths shut; it just isn’t possible. It makes us all look ridiculous when the discussion goes that way.

Fucking white people.

Manufacturers can tell which wholesaler/distributor the gun went to based on S/N. The wholesaler can tell which retailer they sent it to. After that (in theory) it's a paper file hunt through the 4473s at the dealer.

Dave is at home recovering from surgery, but it's gonna be a long road to full recovery. He's in good spirits, though.

I thought that exact thought today.  Some say I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist, I say they are crazy for not taking the conspiracy into consideration.  I've said it once and I'll say it again I don't think what we were told happened at Sandy hook was what actually took place at Sandy Hook.  I'll say the same about several other shootings as well.

Well, the timing has been impeccable with news cycles. We don't need to know what Vladimir Putin is up to....hey! look over here!!!!!!   Ginning up support for gun control is just a side benefit if it happens.   Obama didn't wait but a few scant hours before he began his tirade of lies and propaganda. He has no friggin' class.

I always wonder why this happens. Its one guy against say 20-30. If they were trained to rush the shooter? Less casualties?   I can't really add anything of value here. I was growing up in the the early 60's and the percent of households owning guns was higher than today. Inner cities were a mess like they are today. Mass casualty events like school shootings were very rare.   The culture and moral compass of the United States has changed. Political correctness, abortion, music, politics, Americas standing in the world, the quality of leadership and a million other things have contributed to where we are now. And bastards like this POS who killed these kids seem to be everywhere.  Sorry for the rant.

Oh and don't think my statement before means I would stand idly by as I watch others die. I can guarantee I would fight to the death to prevent me, or anyone else, from being murdered.   This is why you must ALWAYS have a means to defend yourself no matter where you are.   No matter what people may think you cannot talk your way out of something like this.

    Amen.  I can't fathom just standing there and taking it.   F that.  You might get me, but I'm not gonna make it easy.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yid-CW-O9Qw             That's the law in TN.  Oregon may or may not have a similar law. 

This year, I show no mercy. [URL=http://s75.photobucket.com/user/whiskey101/media/50cal.jpg.html][/URL]

Anytime a politician uses the phrase 'common sense', I know it's all B.S. and I tune out.

They will still spin it to say we need to ban these "killing machines with ghost mag clips that go bang and shoot 700 bullet casings a second at high range very much speed!" Honestly this administration can get bent. All this PC crap, no one wants to take responsibility. This puke was probably on some sort of drugs because he was "depressed" Sally Rottencrotch wouldnt grease his chicken or had "ADHD" because he butt-chugs Monsters or Red Bulls. Then they will blame it on "big pharma" on the NRA, on Our Lord or on Donald Trump. The bodies arent even cold yet and fucktards like the Huff Post, Vice and our Salafist-In-Charge are politicizing it. Gun laws dont work. I have seen more NFA weapons growing up in the Bronx than legally. Every weekend someone I know has a another aquaintance that gets killed by someone and it doesnt even make the NY Post Obituary section. America is TOO used to blaming everything and everyone else, not taking responsibility and trying to make a political campaign about it. Fucking vultures. They can get fucked. Sorry in advance, but stuff like this pisses me the hell off. Prayers to the families and loved ones. ...Except the ATF agents there. Because the ATF can also get bent. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk

  Took the words out of my mouth. Did not wait 1 min to turn it political. What a POS!

  I fucking HATE that guy!!!

  As always, victim's likely last thought --  "I wish I had a gun".   - OS

  Oregon AG says shooter in highest custody of all, ie dead.   - OS

  Carry permit secondary -- he simply needed a GUN!   - OS

Complaining that Franklin Gun overcharges is like complaining about a politician telling a lie. You know'd that before you went in that place. Won't surprise me a bit one day when they start charging a cover charge to walk in the door.

Bought a new pistol for the wife from Bud's and of course had to send to a FFL. When selecting which one to use, I saw some rather ridiculous prices. Franklin Gun shop was charging $70 ......to push some paper. Most seem to be around $35-40 which I also think is ridiculous. Nashville Pawn was lowest at $25. Anyone else noticed this escalation in FFT transfer fees?   Making me think that maybe I need to get my FFL license.       Update: Nashville Pawn did charge $25 for FFL transfer but added a $10 for TICs fee

If you don't believe that our government would not lie to us or have someone knocked off you are blind. We are still looking for those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The CIA has been wacking people for years.

As far as I am concerned I truly believe there are more bald faced liars in the gooberment than there are people whom tell the truth. Just look at the IRS scandal, the planned parenthood, Benghazi, Hillary's server/cellphone etc/

I have no doubt they would do it. My skepticism lies in their ability. If the federal government couldn't make a simple website work, they'd be hard pressed to pull a scam like this off.  I do, however, believe a lot of this isn't as cut and dried as it may appear.   Hoax probably wasn't the best way to put it, but how hard would it be to find and hire some poor derranged soul to do something like we see here?

  Tin foil hat not required when they come right out and say that's what  they're doing.

Were there a shooting at our local school, I cannot fathom tearing the entire building down. It just doesn't make sense.   I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist, and usually laugh at the Alex Jones crowd, but when something doesn't pass the smell test, I start looking for answers.

  That's my favorite Eastwood quote and there's 100% truth to it. I used to have that for my signature.

we get both.  they both are full of "give us money" and commercials.  They actually just duplicate the spam articles rather than write 2 of them.   hunter is full of dead animals.   I find it depressing... they cover a lot of trophy hunting of things that probably should not be shot at anymore -- there was some azzhat in the last one shooting at elephants.   rifleman is full of random firearms of all types.  It varies from boring to decent depending on what things interest you.  I find about 10-15% of it worth reading each month.

If you decide to buy the lights and batteries from Fasttech, place two separate orders. The flashlights will arrive in two weeks or less. The batteries will take about 3-4 weeks. I messed up and placed the order together so my lights will be delayed getting here. The Sipik clone can be run on AAs until the 14500 batteries and charger arrive. In fact, a AA battery is fine for indoors or walking at night, provided you don't walk longer than 15 minutes. It will dim noticeably after 2 minutes and then hold steady for 10 minutes, then drop off in brightness.   I have another light that stays at a steady brightness and then just... stops... when the battery gets too weak.  Not good for walking the dogs at night! 

does look like a lot of redundancies for a get home bag, but it looks good!   agree with above...commo,   Extra pair of socks...  and I would add a trash bag/trash can liner.   then test it out .  in the rain.  then in the dark.  

The war on poverty hasn't gone very swimmingly either. The war on guns could get real interesting.   I still say we should just make killing people illegal. :cool: If a fella isn't going to obey one law, it's insane to believe he''ll obey the next one.

I can't imagine standing in line watching him shoot people in front of me without doing anything.

Charmin! Marking trails, tinder, plus it's obvious uses. A paper map to go with the compass. You never know where you might be when you have to get home. A couple of the small bottles of liquor. Pain killer, sanitizer, and it'll make those dehydrated food pouches go down easier! ;-) A survival rifle? Assuming your defensive arms are too large for small game hunting, a small, light rifle is perfect for grilled squirrel or rabbit at the end of a long hike. An analog wrist watch can serve the same function as a compass, or you could have a compass on the watch band. Other than those additions, while I understand one is none etc., you could probably drop some things to shed weight. A couple of candles instead of 2 of your flashlights and 2 fire starters, for example. You have a cooking set... Could you boil water in it instead of using one of your filters?

Fighting Sheep Dog is the cheapest I know of local to knoxville. If they haven't changed its $20 total. $10 for TICS and $10 for the shop. And they are a vendor here Sent from behind the anvil

I just hope we don't go too far down the rabbit hole on this one, the conspiracy shit gets more annoying than the libtard antigunners.   Would have given anything to be in that room when he lined those people up, he would have had a knife through his throat or I would've had a bullet in the face, but be damned if I would have lined up like cattle and be willingly shot.   Wish one person in there was illegally carrying and took the guy out before he was able to get a round off.  That is the only way this story would've ended well.

The point is that he didn't need to take a political stance at all, just give condolences. Specially due to the fact that he just bold a$$ lies to the lemmings.

  If ya like the Fenix PD35, ya might want to check one of these out... I've got one and i like it as well as the Fenix (...i like them too...)... They are on sale here... http://www.batteryjunction.com/nitecore-p12-smo-xml2.html   I do a lot of business with these guys, they are straight and these lights are good ones... Buy without hesitation...   leroy

  This 100%

  Can't legislate crazy....but they're gonna try

I like that. It really seems like it would work especially well with business/business casual attire. Might have to pick one up.