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Civil disobedience may be required if the cities are going to be reminded what the law actually is.   Get 100 or so people with a valid HCP, have them open carry for demonstrative purposes, and dare the public venue to deny them admission, and/or the local police to arrest them for trying to do so.  Politely but firmly, stand in line as a group, refuse to move aside until you're allowed admission, and let the situation develop from there.  If the city wants to arrest 100 people for exercising their legal rights, they will have to risk more problems and a class action lawsuit to do so.   I really don't see an alternative that won't take years in court battles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=58&v=rKpfD_MECgE

If anyone has any memories of 9/11 they want to share, feel free. Perhaps, you may want to say something about someone you knew that was lost that day. Thankfully I didn't know anyone that was lost that day. I know over the years I have met allot of people that were there. Perhaps you just want to share where you where when you heard the news. On 9/11 I was between jobs, I had moved back in with my parents. I had enough money in the bank to move out if I could only find a job, but that money was shrinking. I was in bed asleep when the first plane hit. Mom came in and woke me up and told me what happened. Everyone including the reporters were reporting it as a terrible accident. It was believed to be an accident until the second plane hit. Then it was known to be an attack of some kind. I remember I took every gas can we had, I all of our cars out to the gas station to fill out. By my second trip the price was already going up. Continued watching the news just waiting to hear anything. Nothing I could do remotely to help. On one hand I wanted to go to NYC to help but the other other hand what could I really do that they didn't already have people available for. Later that month I was in Oak Ridge with a New Job @ Client Logic. Been in OR ever since https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY00LmtUlqQ&list=PLUoL7hxzAJx3ovhkaEi5pty_AmhOXIFry&index=3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyQyH4RoDbw

Water in the gas? I've had this happen before.....more than once.

Me and you both. I'm still pissed at that one and not likely to get over it.

Get one waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than you think you'll ever need.   That's my advice.   Liberty makes a fine safe.

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My adventurous days have long passed me by, so I have ask myself; Caster, wtf are you doing out here in the woods? Seriously though, I'd hate to know I had to use it....but I must admit to staking claim on a currently half full two liter bottle in the fridge. I'm gonna try it. Lol!

I'll see if I can find a video of Cook's recent comments  - here's a link - they we're basically a mea culpa where he said that we as consumers have been way too willing to trade security/privacy for convenience, and that Apple had been all to willing to facilitate that trade for more access to consumer data.  With all of the Snowden revelations - and moreover with the post-9/11 power grab by the government - they really realized the cost associated with that tradeoff, and have decided to push back.  This is fundamentally important.  It could be as historically significant as Phil Zimmermann refusing to backdoor PGP back in the day.  The stance could frankly be Tim Cook's legacy. Mind you, this will take consistent vigilance, but I'm excited to see a company making a stand.   At least right now, I think Apple is in the better position here than Google.  I recognize that Android is largely open sourced, and Google corporate is not Android per se.  That said, Google's business model is still us.  They're not as valuable without all of the data on us.  They're going to have some work to do in the next few years.   Microsoft is actively fighting a court case to watch right now.  It's going to have huge ramifications in the privacy space.   To some extent, I think we as consumers - and certainly the big tech companies are starting to realize the costs associated with the never ending so called Global War on Terror.  We're going to have to push back at some point

Gitchoo a padded electric guitar bag. People just think I keep a Les Paul in my trunk at all times... ya know... in case the zombie apocalypse happens and we need theme music. ;-)

If there are any NRA certified folks on here that have nothing else to do at that time.... Might make sense to have someone who actually knows what they're talking about there.

I have a MacBook and an iPhone, work supplies me with an iPad. I'm a big apple fan because I'm not a tech guy and don't care to be. I want something I can turn on, use, and turn off without having to mess with it. That said, I hate apple music so much if I could find an android app that was like the old iTunes used to be I would probably switch. That one forced change (came on my iPhone 6) has done more damage to my interest in apple than anything else.

Apple is able, as a byproduct of their size to do one thing well - scale.  As such things like using a limited NFC capability for Apple Pay will likely work where others have failed.   I wouldn't call myself a fanboy by any stretch - when it comes to tech, I'm pretty agnostic and moreover am pragmatic.  I'm going to use what facilitates getting the job done best.  That said, our family has chosen to generally step into the Apple ecosystem, and we're pretty happy there.  Some thoughts:   1. I was a PC guy for 35 years.  My dad got one of the first 300 IBM PCs off the line back in 1979-80, and I've generally stayed there over the years.  It wasn't until the first of this year that I replaced my work machine with a MacBook Pro.  Most of the reasons for me staying on a PC for so long were wrapped up in the fact that the forensic tools we use are generally PC based.  That, and I was comfortable with what I knew - despite suffering a lot of little frustrations over the years.  While I am not an IT support guy on a day-to-day basis, I would call myself an expert tech.  And the fact that my high end factory built Dell workstation would regularly lock up, blue screen, fail to come out of sleep mode, etc... just added up.   2. When I decided to replace my $7,000 workstation, frankly there wasn't anything in the PC space that was really that compelling.  A legitimate point to Apple - they're making better hardware than anybody out there.  Period.   3. There are some issues with that great hardware - mainly that it's made by exploited Chinese workers with the little fairylike hands needed to put this stuff together.  That's not a problem that's unique to Apple - but it's one that we should likely require them to take a lead in addressing - again because of their size and ability to scale.   4. Apple's generally closed OS is better for my family - and as a result for me because I don't have to spend a ton of time troubleshooting their stuff.  The 'it just works' may be a stretch for everything I want to do, but for my kids and my wife it seems appropriate   5. Sticking with one ecosystem works well for me.  I hardly ever even open my MacBook Pro.  When I come into the office in the morning, I plug the power adapter and a thunderbolt cable in.  That powers two Cinema Displays, and I go about my day.  If I want to work at home, I plug a thunderbolt cable into my family's iMac and take over that screen.  Couple that with storage in the cloud, and it's seamless.  Our business has really reached the point where we can work from anywhere.  We likely could have pulled that same feat off on Windows, but Apple has made it easier.   6. An $80 license of VMWare Fusion is the best way to consume Windows.  Truthfully, I don't know that I'll ever use Windows in another way again.  We have clean images for all of our use cases in the cloud.  When we need to use a Windows machine, we pull an image down from the cloud, boot it up, do what we need to do, shut it down and delete it.  We use a new image every time.  And, since we've got specific builds for everything we do, stuff runs fast.  Couple that with a few Linux images and we've got amazing capability.   7. I'm a Microsoft supporter.  I think they're an amazing company that is still capable of doing some great stuff.  I've worked for them and with them.  Apple needs good competition in the OS space and elsewhere.  I'm old enough to remember Microsoft's 'evil empire' days.  I find it interesting to see some of that same language being used around the periphery with Apple right now.  Over the next couple of years I would expect that to escalate - probably in the form of more targeted malware, greater discontent around innovations or lack thereof, and finally with some big antitrust suits.  Empire is hard.  Tim Cook has a tough job.   8.  Apple's move to more subscription-based offerings is significant.  Stuff like them financing phones, Apple Music, etc... moves their revenue away from being solely dependent on hardware and gives them the coveted monthly recurring revenue.  As crazy as it sounds, with current Silicon Valley and Wall Street models, if they can make that switch, then they're likely undervalued.   9.  They're going to need focus in the OS/app space.  A lot of their stuff is increasingly bloated.  Thankfully, they're still controlling the ecosystem and their stuff isn't shipping with a bunch of third-party bloatware like most Windows machines these days.  But, stuff like iTunes needs focus.  You can't say that iTunes today is more usable than it was five years ago.  There's more content available - but the usability is lacking if you have a memory of how it used to be.   10.  I like Tim Cook's recent thoughts on user privacy and the fact that they're starting to implement things in a way that neither Apple or other interested parties can get access to without users' permission.  This is a significant difference between them and Google - at least right now.  For Google - we're still the ultimate product.  If the current power grabs within government in the name of 'national security' and 'finding terrorists' continue - then Google is going to need to struggle with this as well.  There is some significant stuff going on right now in the courts - actually Microsoft is taking the lead in the current cases.  It is worth watching where it goes.   11.  Nobody has a monopoly on innovation.  Thankfully.  I laugh when I see announcements like yesterday's about the Pencil.  The cause may be a bit different.  Flash back to the 'evil empire' Microsoft ripping of Xerox, buying out competitors, etc...  There's nothing new under the sun.   12. We're not big TV watchers - but the Apple TV works great for our cord-cut home.  My kids can operate it well - even my 4 year old.  Coupled with a Netflix subscription with a kids profile enabled, and it's about everything we need.     13.  TV is one place where we had to make a choice on an ecosystem, and we chose iTunes.  All the studios are trying to get their own formats/ecosystems out there - and most of them won't last.  Ultraviolet, whatever.  We just decided to download movies on iTunes.  Coupled with their cloud storage - and the fact that they're generally priced the same as anywhere else, we decided to step into the ecosystem that has the highest probability of being left standing when the dust settles.  I know there are ways that I could accomplish the same thing as a techie - but for $69, I've got enough other stuff to screw with in my life.  I don't need to add TV to that list.   14.  The MagSafe power adapter has to be out of patent protection by now.  Other manufacturers should be using this.  It's a better iteration on power adapters. 

Why would you put it in a drop box for free when you can get a $50 gas card with your stolen gun?

  Dude, no joke, I seriously did know what this was before l clicked to open it.  The title is what gave it away as I saw it at the top of General Chat last night, and it did so because I've seen it blasted around for about three years.  The words "Very Serious" were the tip off.   If someone comes on here and asks for a prayer request for a family member, a friend, or even someone or something they heard about on the news, I stay out of that and let those who want to offer a prayer do so.  That's not something I feel is my place to intrude upon ...but I don't hold chain mail to that standard.

Sorry Gentlemen.I got called offshore and I am working in Australia for the next 5 weeks. Taco Bubba and whoever else sent the payments rest assured I will update this thread when I can with the internet out here. The Knives will not be delayed and in fact might be done early. You all still have until the end of October to pay My apoligies for not being able to post this before

18 gun safe? Yeah...that's good for the first 6 months. Maybe. lol

Bring your trailer Saturday JMB

  If you do see any Asian Carp or Silver Carp please kill them and if possible just throw them up on the bank and the Coons and opossums will make short work of them so they won't be going to waste. You can do the same with Gar and other breeds of carp.   I know what you mean when you say it's hard to get out of the woods in October to go fishing. I use to have that same problem but I found time to do both. If your 10 miles up river from Steam plant you must be close to the 231 Bridge area. Back when I was fishing Bass tournaments I would go under the 231 bridge and never slow down till I reached the mouth of the Caney River....lol. Other Anglers said I was crazy to make that run from Bulls Creek on Sunday Mornings until I began taking their money home with winning bags of fish.   I can't help you with much stuff in the area you fish. I seldom fished Rocky Creek or Little Cedar Creek up that way. Now if you know where Bently's Landing launch ramp is that is a great Pocket for bass fishing and if your going in there from the river mouth as you begin to travel down that right side after the first few boat docks on the right bank, if you look close you will see some steel cables running into the water. That is a deep bank and the folks that live in that pocket and own those boat docks have drilled holes in standing trees near the bank and then put in the cables. Attach the cab;e to a steel stake and then cut the tree below the cable dropping the tree into the water near their docks and created some wonderful Crappie brush piles and you will find Bass in them also. I use to go up there and limit in big Crappie about every time I went. Use Red & Chartreuse or Black & Chartreuse Crappie tubes. I figure since i am no longer able to use these locations I will share them with folks............. :up:  :up:  

  Once you get used to OS X, while it does have it's learning curves, it is nearly impossible to get away from it.

The Postman is great when Tom Petty shows up.

On second thought.....         WOLVERINES!!!!!!         The original, of course. Though I guess it's more foreign invasion than apocalypse. The kids went through similar survival stuff though. Maybe not terribly realistic, but a good movie that makes me want to shout " 'Merica!"

I always liked 12 Monkeys

I like that door, but not the road sign.

Folks I know its the point and the law, but really the Knoxville fair lost its luster to me 30 years ago.  I wouldn't go if they paid me $5 to open carry, but I will say parking and walking to the fair at night, I would probably want to open carry in my hand in that area.

Despite the fact that the two liters will likely outlast us by thousands of years, I'm gonna make my cordage the old fashioned way:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DljWyRQFrNc

  Until there is a legitimate change in the apathetic attitudes of the general populace (e.g-- voting in more statesmen and fewer "politicians" to the Legislative and Executive branches of gov't), I doubt that there will ever be another "true conservative" appointed to SCOTUS in our lifetime. The last strict constitutionalist appointed was Clarence Thomas, and that was 1991, so I wouldn't hold my breath for the next one. The deck has been stacked for awhile now-- witness John Roberts-- who was advertised as a "conservative" when he was confirmed... however, many of his crucial vote positions reveal otherwise. Alito and Scalia are often slightly more conservative in their judicial reasoning, but not by much, and even they have been prone to lapses of constitutional judgement from time to time.   The theoretical concept of a "balanced court" (4 libs, 4 conservatives, and 1 middle/moderate) is not completely flawed-- it helps to insure that the views of most people are represented at some point-- but the court does not exist for "representation" of the populace-- it exists to interpret written Federal law primarily on the basis of constitutionality. However, The Roberts court has tended to veer away from strict scrutiny through the lens of constitutional law and has slowly moved towards legislating from the bench... such tendencies make SCOTUS more like an oligarchy and less like an actual judicial body. When the court acts on "feelings of what is the right thing to do" rather than interpreting written law (or the absence thereof), then credibility for jurisprudence is severely damaged.   I only need to point to the recent decision regarding gay marriage to illustrate this. Whether I agree with the decision or not is irrelevant... however, the method, procedure, and reasoning for arriving at the decision is rather questionable, since marriage has long been an individual state issue, and the Federal government as we know it has never had real jurisdiction over it. In this case, using the guise of "equal protection" is a sham if the same equal protection is not afforded to ALL consenting adults-- regardless of their sex, relationships, or preferences for single or multiple spouses. Pandora's Box has been opened on this one-- and there are already cases moving forward regarding multiple spouses and incestual relationships (even if only for the convenience of hassle-free property inheritance) under the premise of the decision on gay marriage.   As you say, it's a dice roll-- but it's been that way since at least the Warren Court. In this day & age, The phrase "Take it to the Supreme Court" should be exercised with the same caution as the phrase "Please castrate me."  One should never be too confident no matter who is in charge of the court.   Government Statists are enemies of personal freedoms no matter what party they belong to, and no matter at which level of government they operate-- and unfortunately, they ain't going away anytime soon.

For those of you that are interested, the Brentwood Walgreens is 1275 yards from the front of my office building.   This 1600-B is a great little rangefinder.  I have not even begun to figure out all that it will do but looking forward to it.

I am repairing an old leather case for a set of binoculars. They are about 60 years old, marked 'Made in occupied Japan'. There is a makers mark I can't really make out... Maybe a KLi? something in a triangle and circle. Anyway, the view through these things is fantastic. Better than my Hensoldt & Wetzlaars, which are pretty good german optics. If you run across a pair of Glory 16x50's in good shape, don't pass them by.

  CM or PM9. My daily carry.   - OS

If you really want to tie into the bigger Rock Fish just wait till about mid to late October / early November when water temps drop. Then since you like top water tie on a Zara Spook in shad color and go up and fish the mouth of steam plant discharge early in the morning. You better have some really tough gear and 60lb Braid line. If you don't have any luck there go down the the discharge of the sewer plant on the right side of the main channel about midway between 109 bridge and Station Camp creek. Just watch for the birds to tell you if the shad are working there. If the birds are there the Rock Fish are also. Move out on that flat and use that Zara Spook or a Pencil Popper. Water temps will have to be in lower 60's upper 50's before this feeding will start in earnest but you need to keep watch for when it happens.   Right now the catfish are being caught on Shrimp really well up on the ledges of the main channel below 109 bridge on right side going down. Once you get past Peach valley move over onto the top of the ledge in about 12 foot of water and put a shrimp on below a float about 18 inches and no weight. Just let it drift around and watch the float. Shouldn't take long to have a few cats in the boat.    The gar are the reason your not seeing as many bigger Blue Gills and Pan fish as that is the gars main source of food. The more the gars the less the pan fish.   As for the Bass, they are in beginning of Fall transition and are now following the shad so what ever the shad are doing the Bass are also doing. This is a tough time of the year to try and pattern Bass.   I hope I get my vision corrected early enough to be able to do some Fall fishing on Old Hickory this year. I love that lake...... :up: :up:

  Any adult not prohibited from owning or possessing firearms by state or federal law can do so, simple as that.  Unless he has a disqualifying evet in his life, an 18 year old is same as anyone else regarding this matter.   The only difference in treatment of an 18-20 year old is that he can only receive a rifle or shotgun through an FFL and cannot get a TN carry permit.     Was enacted during the 2014 legislative session, not this year.   Note however, this does not cover storing firearms in vehicle in posted, employer-banned, or school parking lots, still takes a permit to be exempt from those circumstances.   - OS

It seems like once a law is passed, it is much harder to repeal it than it was to make it in the first place.  I think a bunch of costly lawsuits to get these municipalities to comply is worth the risk that those same municipalities will use the lawsuits as a reason as to why the law needs to be changed.   As Phil said, Georgia went through similar growing pains when the laws changed, and we can still carry in parks.

I've been in your position and sympathize but recommend you find the closest reliable repair shop, set up an early morning appointment and limp the overheating car in. You might get lucky and only be there two or three hours or you might have to leave the vehicle for a day or two. Of the two vehicles neither sound like anything other than middling repair work with some parts swapping involved.    

  Look around before buying. There is one on the market that is about 1/2 the price of the Troy one and is the same.

Kahr CM9

This thread has some potential, a pissing contest for fanboys ...

Ammo selection is a bigger problem than gun selection for the "social" 20 gauge. There really just isn't a whole lot of defensive ammo options in 20... And none of what's available is anything to write home about. If you're really set on a shotgun for defensive purposes (IMHO rifles are way, way better for this sort of thing, but that's a whole other thread), I'd strongly recommend the 12 gauge. There's a ton more good ammo choices, many of which are reduced-recoil stuff that's as easy on the shooter as a 20.

I'm kind of excited about the new iPad Pro.  For my particular use case, it may fill a need that a laptop cannot.   And, that's kind of interesting when you think about Apple and their continued growth.  To some, they're victims of their own success.  How do you continue to innovate with these revolutionary devices - of which I'd really argue they haven't done since the iPhone.  What they are executing on well is fitting devices to particular niches.  The MacBook may not appeal at all to me writing code, running a couple different VMs or doing forensic work.  But to my wife who needs none of that, it's about perfect.  So long as they keep growing incrementally, they'll be fine.   I think the biggest announcement today was them taking control of phone payment plans - basically their selling you a phone at a monthly rate with AppleCare and a new phone every year.  That's huge.  And I'm sure all of the carriers were calling Apple bad names today.

Isn't this what river bridges are for? :shrug:   I swear I'm not getting any smarter, so the people in charge of government surely have to be getting dumber. :screwy:

Got two of them today. The other will be here tomorrow. :up: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  What about the most important part, the water first to remove the salts from the corrosive ammo     You left out the pissing down the barrel first.   - OS

God didn't answer this one yet?  It's been going around for years...the first time I saw it was before the 2012 election.   Will they update it for Hillary in 2016?

Picked up some Easton Carbon Bloodline aarows last weekend at BPS.  We'll see how they do. 

Seems every time we all have to move the right to pass some azzhat in the left lane they are texting or talking on the phone. If you can’t multitask; get out of that left lane.

Cool.  With the roadkill law, it can be a twofer!  Sriracha...it makes buzzard better. "I'll have the 'turf'n'dump' platter, ma'am!"

If in Nashville, Greene Military on Lebanon rd just down the street from the police academy. Most metro go there due to them accepting contract purchases. Sent from my LG-V410 using Tapatalk

For water you can almost always get the water you need for the day from your yard very early in the morning. There is generally enough of a temperature change that there should be water somewhat regularly sitting on your yard. I took a towel and dragged it on the ground. That one swipe gave me a lot more water than I could have ever expected. And depending on the time of year it could be raining every other day.   I posted a how to on making your own hand pump for a well. If I can do it anyone can and it works great.

No need to be a fun-sucker. :) Preparing for unlikely threats is fun, like Disneyland without all the people.

  I have a theory - no hard evidence to back it up, only my own observations.  I believe that the anti-gunner blowhards and all their hype after Sandy Hook, much like when Obama was first elected (when the last, big ammo 'shortage' hit - except then it was mostly .380 that was hard to find over the long term), started people thinking that draconian gun laws were on the way.  People who never owned guns, before, decided they might ought to go ahead and buy one or two.  When asking for recommendations for a first gun, a good .22 - either alone or as a practice platform along with a heavier caliber - was likely a common answer.  So, now there was the kind of run on ammo that normally occurs in such uncertain times with the further complication that there were a lot of new gun owners competing for the same, old supply of ammo.  Thing is, these new owners came into things at a time when ammo scarcity was the 'norm'.  Even worse, the only .22 ammo they could find was $8.00 for a box of 50 standard, run of the mill stuff or $60 or more for the bulk pack stuff.  These folks may not even realize that the 'normal' price was about a third of that in both cases or that under 'normal' conditions one could go to Walmart and buy .22 all day long with no problem.  Then there is the BS that the profiteers like to sling to keep people's fears stirred up (like a couple of years ago - even before the current .22 shortage fiasco, before Sandy Hook - I heard an ammo dealer at a gun show telling a potential mark about how starting later that year all .22 ammo manufactured would be set to expire and become unshootable within a certain, small window of time - so, of course, the mark would be well advised to buy the dealer's non-expiring ammo.)  I've actually heard 'rumors' at gunshows that went along the lines of, "They are going to quit making .22 ammo."  Throw all of this together and it is difficult to blame people who are new to the gun/ammo world for paying scalper prices and buying it whenever they see it - such as from scalpers at gun shows.   Even when things settle down, I suspect that $4 or $5 per box of 50 and $25 to $30 for a bulk pack (depending on the ammo brand, type, seller, etc.) is probably a lot closer to the new 'normal' than what we remember as normal pricing for .22LR ammo.  As someone who remembers when you could pick up a box of 50 for less than 3 bucks or a bulk pack for about $15, I have resisted this notion for the last, couple of years.  Now, however, I have come to accept that if I want .22 ammo then I will pay those prices.  Of course, keep in mind that it wasn't that long ago - maybe ten years or so - that 9mm range ammo was around $7 to $9 a box (Federal 9mm was right at $10 a box at Wally World as recently as three or four years ago.)  It also wasn't that long ago that 7.62X39 ammo was $3.99 a box in most places.  Both examples are almost double that price, now.  I think .22 prices stayed more or less stable while everything else went up but now we will see similar increases in the price of .22, as well.  I will not, however, pay upwards of $7 or $8 for a box of 50 regular, old .22LR ammo nor will I buy it from scalpers and profiteers at gunshows.