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Civil disobedience may be required if the cities are going to be reminded what the law actually is.   Get 100 or so people with a valid HCP, have them open carry for demonstrative purposes, and dare the public venue to deny them admission, and/or the local police to arrest them for trying to do so.  Politely but firmly, stand in line as a group, refuse to move aside until you're allowed admission, and let the situation develop from there.  If the city wants to arrest 100 people for exercising their legal rights, they will have to risk more problems and a class action lawsuit to do so.   I really don't see an alternative that won't take years in court battles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=58&v=rKpfD_MECgE

If anyone has any memories of 9/11 they want to share, feel free. Perhaps, you may want to say something about someone you knew that was lost that day. Thankfully I didn't know anyone that was lost that day. I know over the years I have met allot of people that were there. Perhaps you just want to share where you where when you heard the news. On 9/11 I was between jobs, I had moved back in with my parents. I had enough money in the bank to move out if I could only find a job, but that money was shrinking. I was in bed asleep when the first plane hit. Mom came in and woke me up and told me what happened. Everyone including the reporters were reporting it as a terrible accident. It was believed to be an accident until the second plane hit. Then it was known to be an attack of some kind. I remember I took every gas can we had, I all of our cars out to the gas station to fill out. By my second trip the price was already going up. Continued watching the news just waiting to hear anything. Nothing I could do remotely to help. On one hand I wanted to go to NYC to help but the other other hand what could I really do that they didn't already have people available for. Later that month I was in Oak Ridge with a New Job @ Client Logic. Been in OR ever since https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY00LmtUlqQ&list=PLUoL7hxzAJx3ovhkaEi5pty_AmhOXIFry&index=3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyQyH4RoDbw

Water in the gas? I've had this happen before.....more than once.

Me and you both. I'm still pissed at that one and not likely to get over it.

Get one waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than you think you'll ever need.   That's my advice.   Liberty makes a fine safe.

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My adventurous days have long passed me by, so I have ask myself; Caster, wtf are you doing out here in the woods? Seriously though, I'd hate to know I had to use it....but I must admit to staking claim on a currently half full two liter bottle in the fridge. I'm gonna try it. Lol!

I'll see if I can find a video of Cook's recent comments  - here's a link - they we're basically a mea culpa where he said that we as consumers have been way too willing to trade security/privacy for convenience, and that Apple had been all to willing to facilitate that trade for more access to consumer data.  With all of the Snowden revelations - and moreover with the post-9/11 power grab by the government - they really realized the cost associated with that tradeoff, and have decided to push back.  This is fundamentally important.  It could be as historically significant as Phil Zimmermann refusing to backdoor PGP back in the day.  The stance could frankly be Tim Cook's legacy. Mind you, this will take consistent vigilance, but I'm excited to see a company making a stand.   At least right now, I think Apple is in the better position here than Google.  I recognize that Android is largely open sourced, and Google corporate is not Android per se.  That said, Google's business model is still us.  They're not as valuable without all of the data on us.  They're going to have some work to do in the next few years.   Microsoft is actively fighting a court case to watch right now.  It's going to have huge ramifications in the privacy space.   To some extent, I think we as consumers - and certainly the big tech companies are starting to realize the costs associated with the never ending so called Global War on Terror.  We're going to have to push back at some point

Gitchoo a padded electric guitar bag. People just think I keep a Les Paul in my trunk at all times... ya know... in case the zombie apocalypse happens and we need theme music. ;-)

If there are any NRA certified folks on here that have nothing else to do at that time.... Might make sense to have someone who actually knows what they're talking about there.

I have a MacBook and an iPhone, work supplies me with an iPad. I'm a big apple fan because I'm not a tech guy and don't care to be. I want something I can turn on, use, and turn off without having to mess with it. That said, I hate apple music so much if I could find an android app that was like the old iTunes used to be I would probably switch. That one forced change (came on my iPhone 6) has done more damage to my interest in apple than anything else.

Apple is able, as a byproduct of their size to do one thing well - scale.  As such things like using a limited NFC capability for Apple Pay will likely work where others have failed.   I wouldn't call myself a fanboy by any stretch - when it comes to tech, I'm pretty agnostic and moreover am pragmatic.  I'm going to use what facilitates getting the job done best.  That said, our family has chosen to generally step into the Apple ecosystem, and we're pretty happy there.  Some thoughts:   1. I was a PC guy for 35 years.  My dad got one of the first 300 IBM PCs off the line back in 1979-80, and I've generally stayed there over the years.  It wasn't until the first of this year that I replaced my work machine with a MacBook Pro.  Most of the reasons for me staying on a PC for so long were wrapped up in the fact that the forensic tools we use are generally PC based.  That, and I was comfortable with what I knew - despite suffering a lot of little frustrations over the years.  While I am not an IT support guy on a day-to-day basis, I would call myself an expert tech.  And the fact that my high end factory built Dell workstation would regularly lock up, blue screen, fail to come out of sleep mode, etc... just added up.   2. When I decided to replace my $7,000 workstation, frankly there wasn't anything in the PC space that was really that compelling.  A legitimate point to Apple - they're making better hardware than anybody out there.  Period.   3. There are some issues with that great hardware - mainly that it's made by exploited Chinese workers with the little fairylike hands needed to put this stuff together.  That's not a problem that's unique to Apple - but it's one that we should likely require them to take a lead in addressing - again because of their size and ability to scale.   4. Apple's generally closed OS is better for my family - and as a result for me because I don't have to spend a ton of time troubleshooting their stuff.  The 'it just works' may be a stretch for everything I want to do, but for my kids and my wife it seems appropriate   5. Sticking with one ecosystem works well for me.  I hardly ever even open my MacBook Pro.  When I come into the office in the morning, I plug the power adapter and a thunderbolt cable in.  That powers two Cinema Displays, and I go about my day.  If I want to work at home, I plug a thunderbolt cable into my family's iMac and take over that screen.  Couple that with storage in the cloud, and it's seamless.  Our business has really reached the point where we can work from anywhere.  We likely could have pulled that same feat off on Windows, but Apple has made it easier.   6. An $80 license of VMWare Fusion is the best way to consume Windows.  Truthfully, I don't know that I'll ever use Windows in another way again.  We have clean images for all of our use cases in the cloud.  When we need to use a Windows machine, we pull an image down from the cloud, boot it up, do what we need to do, shut it down and delete it.  We use a new image every time.  And, since we've got specific builds for everything we do, stuff runs fast.  Couple that with a few Linux images and we've got amazing capability.   7. I'm a Microsoft supporter.  I think they're an amazing company that is still capable of doing some great stuff.  I've worked for them and with them.  Apple needs good competition in the OS space and elsewhere.  I'm old enough to remember Microsoft's 'evil empire' days.  I find it interesting to see some of that same language being used around the periphery with Apple right now.  Over the next couple of years I would expect that to escalate - probably in the form of more targeted malware, greater discontent around innovations or lack thereof, and finally with some big antitrust suits.  Empire is hard.  Tim Cook has a tough job.   8.  Apple's move to more subscription-based offerings is significant.  Stuff like them financing phones, Apple Music, etc... moves their revenue away from being solely dependent on hardware and gives them the coveted monthly recurring revenue.  As crazy as it sounds, with current Silicon Valley and Wall Street models, if they can make that switch, then they're likely undervalued.   9.  They're going to need focus in the OS/app space.  A lot of their stuff is increasingly bloated.  Thankfully, they're still controlling the ecosystem and their stuff isn't shipping with a bunch of third-party bloatware like most Windows machines these days.  But, stuff like iTunes needs focus.  You can't say that iTunes today is more usable than it was five years ago.  There's more content available - but the usability is lacking if you have a memory of how it used to be.   10.  I like Tim Cook's recent thoughts on user privacy and the fact that they're starting to implement things in a way that neither Apple or other interested parties can get access to without users' permission.  This is a significant difference between them and Google - at least right now.  For Google - we're still the ultimate product.  If the current power grabs within government in the name of 'national security' and 'finding terrorists' continue - then Google is going to need to struggle with this as well.  There is some significant stuff going on right now in the courts - actually Microsoft is taking the lead in the current cases.  It is worth watching where it goes.   11.  Nobody has a monopoly on innovation.  Thankfully.  I laugh when I see announcements like yesterday's about the Pencil.  The cause may be a bit different.  Flash back to the 'evil empire' Microsoft ripping of Xerox, buying out competitors, etc...  There's nothing new under the sun.   12. We're not big TV watchers - but the Apple TV works great for our cord-cut home.  My kids can operate it well - even my 4 year old.  Coupled with a Netflix subscription with a kids profile enabled, and it's about everything we need.     13.  TV is one place where we had to make a choice on an ecosystem, and we chose iTunes.  All the studios are trying to get their own formats/ecosystems out there - and most of them won't last.  Ultraviolet, whatever.  We just decided to download movies on iTunes.  Coupled with their cloud storage - and the fact that they're generally priced the same as anywhere else, we decided to step into the ecosystem that has the highest probability of being left standing when the dust settles.  I know there are ways that I could accomplish the same thing as a techie - but for $69, I've got enough other stuff to screw with in my life.  I don't need to add TV to that list.   14.  The MagSafe power adapter has to be out of patent protection by now.  Other manufacturers should be using this.  It's a better iteration on power adapters. 

Why would you put it in a drop box for free when you can get a $50 gas card with your stolen gun?

  Dude, no joke, I seriously did know what this was before l clicked to open it.  The title is what gave it away as I saw it at the top of General Chat last night, and it did so because I've seen it blasted around for about three years.  The words "Very Serious" were the tip off.   If someone comes on here and asks for a prayer request for a family member, a friend, or even someone or something they heard about on the news, I stay out of that and let those who want to offer a prayer do so.  That's not something I feel is my place to intrude upon ...but I don't hold chain mail to that standard.

Cool concept.  What say you?   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGP5AfknhIs

We used all my sons moving company to get from Knoxville to Brentwood, then from Brentwood to Fairview.  Extremely reasonable on price, they took care of everything and didn't mess around.  The guys were worked hard and were respectful the both times.  If you do pay someone to move and they have a location near your place, consider them.   Not sure on the safe though, we didn't have one at the time of moving.   As for the process, they asked how many bedrooms, how many flights of stairs they have to deal with, how many big screens, dressers, dining tables etc... all the large stuff.  Guess that was so they could determine what size truck to use.  The move from Brentwood to Fairview estimate was $800, that included two workers box/load everything and unload where we wanted.  The guys worked so fast, they got done 2 hours early so they only charged $600~.   As cheap as it is to move, don't think I'll ever move anything myself again.  It would take at least week to pack everything up, then driving back and forth & renting a truck for the big stuff, then paying for labor like lumberjack, or getting friends to help and having to unpack and move everything again is just not worth the time.

Bring your trailer Saturday JMB

I tried that on mine, it made absolutely no difference. I want to be able to sort my music by artist, album, or song and view them all. I used to be able to see all my songs, hit play, shuffle, and have hours of various artists and albums without having to touch anything. Don't see how to do that with Apple Music.

That is an ambitious plan!

Very interesting. Certainly crafty. But, were I to find myself in a situation where I got knives and two liter bottles, but no string; and life depended on that length of string.....I'd probably just greet death like an old friend and walk happily with him to whatever's next.

Post some pictures!  I'd love to see those

Kahr. CM9 or PM9

Perhaps Knoxville Mayor Madeline Rogero has some deep pockets of taxpayer money to pay out in losing lawsuits for violations of carry rights at Chilhowee Park?   I gave her office a call a few minutes ago to ask this very question. The young lady that answered the phone promised to give the Mayor my message.

Well shucks, no need to get everybody riled up with emails or phone calls to your local officials and the governor. Just deep conceal at the Fair and hope you don't get patted down.   /sarcasm

The wife and just seen this film and it was awesome.....it's all real no fake photography in this film   https://youtu.be/YvS6O9lVkkg

I've pretty much replaced my J-frame with a SIG P938 as a backup gun, but I don't pocket-carry it.   IMHO, there's still nothing better than the hammerless J-frame for the pocket.  Autos just aren't shaped as well for it.

I was one of those guys who used an Iphone up until the last time I upgraded (a year ago) and thought "unh, I will give Android a try for something different".  Worst mistake I ever made.  I hate it.  I will also be ordering a 6S as soon as I hit US soil on Saturday.  I don't care what it costs I hate Android so bad.   It has been a hard 6 months not just getting a 6, but I stuck it out (which is very unlike me).   I will have to check out the Apple TV's.  Can't say i know much about them or have looked at them before, but I hear a lot of people who really like them.

What makes it legit is that I only use Macs, but have a full understanding that their stuff is not groundbreaking. Was watching a video of the release this morning and hearing the crowd cheer over a stylus was comical. I expect a Southpark episode to cover it pretty soon.

I wonder if they have all the gun types available for demonstration purposes, I'm sure many of us can each take a good sample for them to show. Sort of a hands on demonstration, works better than just pictures.

Windex has never let me down.  Some say ammonia is what works, some say water.     I say Windex.  It has both.  Never had an issue.

Very cool. I never even thought to question what went in those things, I guess I just figured both side where filled with vodka. Good job No_0ne. You make learning fun!

The ammonia probably does help with some of the copper fouling, but it's the water that dilutes and washes out the salts.  Hot water works well, but any water down a warm barrel will neutralize the salts, follow with an oiled patch and you're good to go.  Otherwise cleaning is done like any modern weapon, just be aware that a lot of the crown and rifling wear of milsurps was caused by over vigorous cleaning procedures as much as battle usage.  The typical 2 compartment cleaning bottle issued with wartime 91/30's originally contained water in one compartment, oil in the other.

Apple sucks

Really? It's the Apple Pencil that discourages you?   http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/accessories/surface-pen   Microsoft sells a similiar stylus for $50. However, the Apple version has integrated charging circuitry and obviously a rechargeable battery. I believe that the Apple Pencil also has more sensors inside than the Surface Pro 3 Pen.   Personally, I'll be picking up the new Apple TV 4.   With all of this being said, keep in mind that I am on my 2015 rMBP, with my iPhone 6 nearby, while my Wife and myself are watching a movie on the Apple TV Gen 3. I might be biased.   I will agree that they should have at minimum 32 GB storage for everything, arguably 64 GB for most products.

Man, that makes it so much easier than going to the river to chuck a gun. Morons.

Political pandering pure and simple with no thought on the civil liability of what the knuckleheads are talking about.

This post makes no sense as there is no dog in the pictures.  Purina seems to work just fine though.

In my email, I suggested that they change the wording to "no unlawful carry of weapons"  so that they could keep some semblance of prohibiting weapons without violating the law.  To my surprise, this is the response:  

Thanks to Luke E., for taking me on a dove shoot Sunday afternoon. We hit some and missed some, but had a great time. I want everyone to know that Luke E. is a good and kind man. He went out of his way to make sure I got to go dove hunting, put me on the best shooting spot, deflected birds my way, and gave me a box of hard to find rifle ammo. It was like Christmas in September! I've got to stop here and add that the thing that makes all of this special to me, is the big difference in our age groups. Luke is much younger than me, but made sure I had an enjoyable time and wouldn't take any pay for the ammo. He could have just gone hunting with friends in his own age group, but invited me. Being a city dweller, but having been raised on a farm, I miss taking my gun and going hunting in the field or woods. I also have to mention that the first we met, he gave me a couple of Weaver scope bases for a Ruger 1022... and wouldn't take any pay for them either! Luke puts others before himself, and that is refreshing, given the selfish...all for/about me... world we live in these days. Luke, thank you for your kindness to an old codger that misses more dove than he hits...but I absolutely enjoyed the hunt and comradery. Thank you for a fun hunt and the ammo.

I quit playing stupid a couple of years ago.  I oiled up all my .22rfs and put them into deep storage.   I can cast a bullet and reload my own .38s, 9mm or 30-30 cheaper than I can buy a .22rf cartridge.   Cast and reload.  Let somebody else be the victim of scalpers.   At this point, I don't think my grandkids would go back to shooting 22rf at any price.  The bragging rights for a 12 or 13 year old are lots greater for 9mm or 38 than .22

Yeah right! I was followed the other day by a Sparta K-9 officer and looked over as he started to pass me and he was texting as he was driving. But then he is above the law!!!!!

Everyone thinks you're crazy for carrying in your house until shit like this goes down. That was five miles or so from where I live. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

I'm sure there's an Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson joke hiding in here somewhere.

Oh yeah. They'll go to town on new born calves.

Natures little cleanup crew

If in Nashville, Greene Military on Lebanon rd just down the street from the police academy. Most metro go there due to them accepting contract purchases. Sent from my LG-V410 using Tapatalk

Shot my Bow yesterday, no arrow explosions! My Carbon Express Maximas are holding up, YAY.

Well, for those interested in this area of Tennessee, Guns & More is the place to get them!