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No one should pay any attention to what the Southern Poverty Law Center says anyway... They are no more trackers and objective evaluators of the beliefs of "groups" than i am a brain surgeon... They are a bunch of far left, racist jackasses formed up by a piece of lawyer trash named Morris Dees whose goal is the intimidation and smearing of people and groups they dont like (...which is most everybody who doesnt see things their way...)...    They are a smear machine for the black supremacists, the gubmt,  and the news apparatchiks who use them as handy "expert sources" to smear who and what they don't like...They evidently believe that it's still slave days and whitey is still busy persecuting the black slave population...   I say the hell with the Southern Poverty Law Center, the pimps that work there, and the trash that use them as sources...   hatin leroy

As of 10:30 last night I am now a Grandfather ! I am posting in Women And Firearms because it's a girl and I will teach her to shoot and hunt along with my son. She is 6 lbs. 4 oz and 20 inches long. Woohoo !

I am pi***ed. This punk who was born in 1969 doesn't have a clue. By the time he was old enough to form a sentence the war was over. What's next the US flag is racist because it offends someone who isn't an American. I have lost a few friends in that war both in combat and after coming home from the side effects of battle. GOD bless all our troops where ever they are, Amen.

Just completed this build and had to show it off a bit. Parts list below Remington action trued by Long Rifles Inc Bartlein barrel M24 profile chambered in 6.5 creedmoor, threaded and installed by LRI Resurfaced recoil lug Bolt fluted and knob installed by LRI SWFA 5-20 scope Seekins precision rings Seekins 20 moa base Masterpiece arms chassis Timney 510 trigger AAC 300TM suppressor with rifles only MAD cover Harris bipod Ergo grip AI magazine Cerakote by LRI [url=http://s107.photobucket.com/user/samson7x/media/DSC_0585_zpsq5a2phsp.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s107.photobucket.com/user/samson7x/media/DSC_0582_zpsjalak4rs.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s107.photobucket.com/user/samson7x/media/DSC_0588_zpsjt3enxgd.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s107.photobucket.com/user/samson7x/media/DSC_0587_zpsjy3yvtvr.jpg.html][/URL]

    Yes, I have noticed your new sig line. You need to enlarge it though.

East TN is horrible.  Don't move here.  You will hate it.   Especially the greater Knoxville area east of Knox.  Worst place in the world.   Nashville will be more to your liking.

"Too many people complained" I like that statement right there.  :up:

We had supper last night at The Corner Pub in MJ. We ended up parking at the other end near Papa Johns and we walked past the entry door I had to do a double take their posting was gone. So after after we ate we again went past tbe entry door one of the drivers was walking back in so I asked him why the posting was gone? He said too many people complained so they took it down. Kind of wondering if it was a corporate directive or a store based decision.

Journalists = liberal idiots.....no really.

Yet, these four men were not caught looting or causing other damage....interesting. Seems like there were there peacefully armed and it stayed that way. If the people of the community don't like the laws, then change them, but they were doing nothing illegal. Of course, if the people of that community focused on the fact that their little "angels" are't, the community would be in better shape.

Well, except for the whole happening in Australia thing...

I finished my 1st SBR build with my brother in law recently. Geissele combat trigger Troy alpha rail Noveske 300 BLk 8 in barrel AAC 2.0 brake AAC SR7 Bravo company BCG Magpul K grip BAD ambi safety Strategic edge light Aimpoint T1 A bunch of other ridiculously expensive things that put me in a bind with my wife. But forgiveness, not permission, right? Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

I suck because I just can't shoot very well.

I wouldn't, and it was just snark at the stupidity of trying to assign a race to a silhouette type image --- which obviously can't be done.  Its like saying the black outline targets have a race (and its been claimed there too) ... its so glaringly stupid that you have to wonder how the person ever learned to read and write enough to be able to even express their stupidity in words.   Sorry if I offended .. pretty much anyone who uses the word racist amuses me with their antics ... they ARE comedians, right?

That is one bear he really shouldn't poke with a stick.

I want the government to see citizens, especially armed citizens, willing to take a stand.  We need more of that I think.  I'm fine with a group coming together to take that stand, protest, or otherwise exercise their rights, but I would like there to be some purpose and sense of thought behind it to put their actions in perspective.  I'm not seeing that from the Oath Keepers in this case.

If they are paying taxes that is great but if they are not then expect to loose 1/2-1/3 of the $44 by the time you pay your taxes, insurance and all the other "mandatory" government withholdings.   If you want to talk about overseas contracts feel free to contact me. And honestly going overseas as a contractor might be a better option, especially coming out of active duty. Now is the time to get things going before you get out. It takes 3-6 months to get the first overseas contract from the time the company says they want you because of clearances and IDs. And no, your current clearances have ZERO bearing on any future contracts. Your current clearances are with the DoD and you will get vetted by the agency issuing the clearance. And it depends on the government agency what they are looking for. I have known of people who have been in jail get contracts while others were refused a contract because they were too far in debt. BTW, grab an SF 86 fill it out and use it as a master copy for when you fill them out for other clearances.   Doing overseas contracts allowed my wife to stay home with our child. And with the rotations you will get more time home than you could ever fathom. I worked, on average, 6 months out of the year and lived it up the other 6 when I was home.   And although it is dangerous it is no where near as dangerous as being an active duty soldier.   Not sure what skills you have but if you are trained in medical or communications you could command a premium.   I will say that the pay is not what it used to be and the competition is a little tougher now than 10 years ago but for the person with the right training you can easily get a job making a good wage. I know people who bought, and paid for, their house inside of three years. I also know people who blew every red cent they made. But how much you make is up to how much time you want to be gone. I know of one guy who would only do one trip a year that would cover Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years because of the bonuses working during the holidays. If you time it right you can make between $30K and $45K in two months time during the holidays.   And if you, or anyone, is considering an overseas position only go with companies that are established and that you sign a contract with. NEVER go over on someone's word, you might end up dead or left in a hostile country trying to find your own way home. I have known a few people who went over with a fly by night company and were basically abandoned after the government paid the company. One guy turned over his passport to the country lead then the country lead flew back to the states with everyone's passports and fell off the face of the earth. My friend had to cross from Iraq into Jordan then go to a consulate to get back to the states and after all that he never received a single dime. One of the biggest indicators as to whether the company is reputable is to ask if you get paid during the training or if they are flying you to training. If they will then it is probably a decent company. If they want you to pay for flights, training and lodging then stay away from them as they likely either do not have a contract yet or they are just interested in making a bunch of money then splitting without paying you.   All the times I was paid on a 1099 the "employer" never took out taxes or anything and that was three separate companies over the course of several years. I was left hiring a CPA to go through all of my 1099's to figure out what was owed and what was exempt.   And finally, EVERYTHING is negotiable not just pay. I was on a contract when the company needed people to extend 2-3 weeks to cover a transition period. One guy said he didn't want any money but what he did want is some sort of rare 60's-70's drum set. I just laughed until a few weeks later when the company delivered on their promise to find him the drum set they promised.

I'm torn, agree Ferguson does not need anymore gasoline.  There is a time and place for the Oath Keepers and alike, this is not one of them in my opinion. 

And that is how  the iRobot Roomba came to fruition.

https://twitter.com/msn It was originally reported as "Heavily armed white civilians patrolled Ferguson, drawing criticism from police".   And this is how all this crap starts again. It gets reported one way so that a certain group will take to the streets but in the meantime they change the headlines and act like they did nothing wrong.   The media, for the most part, sickens me with how they report news here in the US. Anyone who has been overseas knows that real news is everywhere else and if you want to know what is going on here then find a news source from another country.

  "Papa Johns never intended to offend anyone when rolling out the no firearms policy. In Oct 2014, a 21 year old shift leader in Columbia, Tn was robbed at gun point of which ended fatally. At that point Papa John's decided to promote the safety of their team members in the attempt to deter theft and violence."   Maybe I'm just tired, but my brain just exploded at that attempt of logic.

  BLASPHEMY!     I love blackberries so this post makes me sad.    :cry:

Out of all the issues in the FOX GOP Debate (Can we even call it a debate? They have one minute for goodness’ sake) this week, there were a couple of Constitutional issues that came up. Rand Paul and Chris Christie got into it over the Fourth Amendment. Other candidates spoke about immigration, which is a Constitutional issue for Congress. They even spoke about spending, which is also Constitutional in limited spending, not balanced budgets. No one pointed to that though. The one thing interestingly missing from the debate was the Second Amendment and the right of the people to keep and bear arms. So, why was there no talk about the Second Amendment? After all, we know the current Marxist administration is anti-gun ownership and we know that those in the Democrat Party are for some level of gun control. But what about those who were debating and asking you for your vote for the highest office in the land? For starters, we know Chris Christie is clearly not to be trusted with the rights of the people concerning guns. Christie has signed into law all sorts of infringements upon his people in New Jersey and when called out on it at a town hall meeting earlier this year, he said, “Send me a Republican legislature. And with a Republican legislature you’ll have a governor who will respect, appropriately, the rights of law-abiding citizens to be able to protect ourselves.” At least one woman is dead in his state because of infringement upon the people’s rights and Brian Aitken was imprisoned in New Jersey for having legally purchased guns. Then there was Christie’s appointment of anti-gun Jeffrey Chisea to fill the seat in the US Senate. Ben Carson has said he believes citizens have gun rights, but then has broken that up when it comes to whether or not you live in the city or the country. Governor Mike Huckabee is pro-Second Amendment supporter without restrictions. Senator Rand Paul has been in his words and votes a pro-Second Amendment supporter without restrictions. Senator Marco Rubio opposed the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty. He opposes restrictions on the right to bear arms and was given a B+ rating by the National Rifle Association. He also claimed that the Second Amendment is the cornerstone of our democracy (It’s a republic Marco). Senator Ted Cruz has also been a pro-Second Amendment supporter in his voting, except for the claim that arms “such as Machine guns, and weapons especially attractive to criminals, such as short-barreled shotguns, are not” to be considered as protected under the Second Amendment. Governor Scott Walker opposes restrictions on the right to bear arms, has said the Second Amendment is not optional and desires to see concealed carry recognized under the Second Amendment. Donald Trump has said he is against gun control, claims Republicans and Democrats are wrong on guns, but he is for an assault weapon ban, wants a waiting period and background checks, none of which are in the Second Amendment nor a part of the federal government’s authority. He recently stated that he also supports the arming of all military personnel and repealing “gun free zones” there. Governor John Kasich opposes restrictions on the right to bear arms and believes more parenting is better than more gun laws. Florida Governor Jeb Bush advanced stand-your-ground and concealed carry during his time as governor. Matthew Speiser also deals with a few other candidates’ positions on the Second Amendment, who were not allowed to participate in the prime time event. I want to hear from presidential candidates that there is no authority given to government to restrict any arms to its citizens in any fashion. That is the law. On top of that, as I stated on Friday on the Sons of Liberty radio show, I want them to be asked to enumerate the first Ten Amendments to the Constitution and their enumerated powers should they be elected to the White House. After all, that is what they job consists of, knowing their limitations and understanding the people’s freedom that is to be preserved. If they can’t answer those few things, they have no business anywhere near the White House.

  Had to reduce the size, tried to enter a larger one and the program said the photo was too large. She still looks pretty nice though, that's all I get to do these days is look and wish I was 25 again.  :)

  Respectfully, and in no way condescending or demeaning your thought processes here but your trying to figure out something that happened somewhere else. That you weren't there to observe and question and was posted by the person who was stopped. Is it for the sake of argumentation or curiosity? Any retired or career police officer who'll even allow themselves to be drawn into a fruitless discussion  on this is probably going to give a different opinion than another officer. Those opinions will vary by whatever region of the country the officer works, the officers level of education and experience. Yes, there are variables involved in the interpretation process. You've pretty much nitpicked this one to pieces and unless the officer in question jumps in with a response its a dead issue.

That's right, no "how are youse guys doing". Either Ya'll or youin's of which I much prefer Ya'll!!.

Haha he doesn't even know it's about him

I missed the target and someone needs to do something to make this right!   (The liberal / Obama excuse)

Welcome Mister Jones. Here "Hi All" gets turned into "Hey Y'all."  and you're probably gonna get accused of having a "New Jersey" accent, like a good friend of mine who moved here from Boston did.   :rofl:  What part of Tennessee are you moving to, if I may ask? 

Cross-edit.   Oh Shoot, I see that TCA 39-17-1359 makes no provision for other states skipping the class, but the TDOS site still shows New Mexico, Oklahoma and Texas as exempt. Do you know if those 3 are still exempt or not?   https://www.tn.gov/safety/article/hgqualifications The 3 states are listed in the paragraph with the For Persons Holding a Handgun Carry Permit from Other States and Applying for a Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit

For handgun I would guess a single stage would be brutally slow. I'd go for the Lee Classic cast turret press. I'm partial though because that's what I bought. :cool:

Older then dirt......;)

Michael, it looks like your partner had to carry you in Round 2 of the Team vs Team event. Where did you find that guy anyway?

I've never had a brother-in-law I liked very much, so I'd get mine a single stage press.   Since you seem to like your brother-in-law, I'd recommend a turret press instead.

Since all he has at the moment is a hand press, I would go with the Lee Turret.  While the Rock Chucker is a very good single stage press, its a single stage press.  The turret press will be much more versatile and for the price of the kit it can't be beat.

Itchy Trigger Finger has built a nasty double swinger that's going to make an appearance tonight!

These are all available at Midway Usa. They normally have coupons online so you can save money as well. But all of this should be under $200. lee-perfect-powder-measure RCBS Hand Priming Tool frankford-arsenal-micro-reloading-electronic-powder-scale-750-grain-capacity lyman-electronic-scale-powder-funnel-pan lee-classic-cast-breech-lock-single-stage-press hornady-lock-n-load-press-and-die-conversion-bushing-kit hornady-electronic-caliper-6-stainless-steel This is what it would minimally take to load. You would still need to buy the particular dies you need as well as bullets, primers and powder. I suggest the primers and powder be purchased locally, say from DLM37015. I would also suggest a person new to reloading use jacketed bullets in the begining, they are easier to deal with than cast. Cast bullets add another facet to reloading. Some people are going to say the Lee stuff is crap but I have used all these items for several years now without a single issue. For the money the Perfect Powder Measure can't be beat but the RCBS is also a great powder measure but a little more expensive than the Lee. I prefer a electronic over a balance beam. Balance beams take a lot longer to settle than an electronic. No need to tumble your brass to clean them. Get some Lemishine at Walmart. Add a table spoon to some water and soak your brass for 24 hours. Every time you walk by give them a shake to aggitate them. Rinse them and let dry. Brass will be very clean and useable.   I will say that depending on the caliber you might want to get either RCBS or other than Lee dies.   If he is going to load rifle calibers, especially bottleneck cartridges, he will also need a way to trim his brass. This is what I used for a very long time and have ZERO complaints about it. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/136199/lee-case-trimmer-cutter-with-ball-grip He will also need the case length gauge and shell holder for the particular caliber. If all he is reloading is straight wall pistol calibers there is no need to trim.

You can do it yourself for a little less than paying a smith. Get a kit from http://www.cncwarrior.com/category-s/1933.htm You will need to cut the shroud off the end of the barrel. They are usually already threaded under the shroud. Just be sure not to cut too deep.

Thanks for sharing our comments. Are you a Special Operator?

Who puts a blue cap on a beer bottle? 

Hey, don't think I didn't worry about that.  I went to UT back in the 80's and I always felt Alabama was our biggest rival.  Oh well, when I got the holster I'll post an image :)   B

Where you and I apparently disagree is the premise that he was suspicious to begin with: therefore, the police officer had no reason to stop him based on that alone - other than carrying a weapon which the officer expressed no concerns over to begin with, and considering the propensity of many of the >250,000 HCP holders in this state alone to open carry, this could no longer be PC, (the courts would have to argue that one out).   Let's break this down, shall we?   1. "I noticed a cop staring at me while I loaded my tail bag."  Does someone stop to calmly load a bag on their bike, pat their selves down checking for whatever it was that he was checking for, put on their riding gloves, and check the security of their bag after walking out and seeing a cop eye-balling them after they just robbed a store? Does he then calmly mount the bike and take his time starting it and pulling out of the spot?   2. The biker was clearly on the side of the brick building of the store where there was only one other person who got into their vehicle to leave, (who apparently having NOT just witnessed a robbery), so there wasn't any obstruction to conducting any interaction with the "suspect" at that time, no other indications of criminal activity, (alarm, call, or body language of the citizen getting into the vehicle next to the biker), and avenues for escape of the vehicle/rider were reduced where he was. Since statistically the most dangerous thing that a police officer does is a traffic stop because conducting business on the side of the road with vehicles whizzing by is inherently dangerous, does it make sense to allow someone that you think might have just robbed the store get on a crotch-rocket and pull into traffic leaving a more controllable location for a less controllable location? Is increasing the chance of a chase on public roadways safer for the public than where he was initially? Remember, the rider was courteous enough to the officer to pick an open parking lot for a safe location; not the officer choosing the location.   3. The officer states that he was just "checking" on the rider because he had his tag "not displayed right" and walking out of the store with his helmet on and a gun on his side, and that he looked suspicious. Suspicious of what? Over my many years I've seen many law-abiding motorcyclists who do not take their helmets off to run into a convenience store, so that's BS unless Lenoir City is the world's capital of motorcycle bandits who do this. The officer appeared to be waiting on the biker to leave. I base that opinion on the fact that he was parked in the back corner of the side of the convenience store back by the dumpster. That's a pretty unusual place for a patrolman to park to get a cup of coffee if he's concerned about emergency response time as he should be. What would happen if his car was blocked by a trash truck while he was in the store and got an emergency call? So it appears that he noticed the armed biker before the biker left the store and was waiting for him to leave, so why wait for the guy to go into the store to begin with if he either noticed the tag first or thought that he was suspicious for another reason? If he noticed the tag first could he have not run the tag of the bike and the registered owner for wants/warrants while he was in the store? We don't know about how the tag was displayed, but if it was affixed to the factory mount that claim is total BS since manufacturers have to make their vehicles in accordance with lawful standards in order to sell them. Also, from the sound and what could be seen of the bike, it has not been modified leading me to believe it very unlikely that the one thing the owner would change on a crotch-rocket would be the tag mounting location.   4. The officer first asks if the biker has a license on him; not a HCP, nor does he ask about a HCP at all, so I submit that this again points to the officer not being really concerned about the legality of the gun. Then when questioned about the reason for the stop he responds that his reason is that the tag is not displayed right. He then snatches the gun from the biker. Within his right? Yes! Dickhead move? Absolutely! What would be the consequences had the weapon gone off giving the biker a bad case of Glock Butt or worse?   My take from this video is that the officer was NOT truly suspicious of any criminal activity. And if the tag was really properly affixed to the factory mount, (it would have been great if the video showed the tag to remove all doubt about that), he could be subject to legal scrutiny because we do NOT live in a police state. You and I both know that many officers pad their activity numbers and up their warnings count with BS stops like this. Besides the fact that crap like this just exacerbates the general public's negative perceptions of police as a whole, the increase in the number of cameras out there also increases the chances of suits against officers and departments. Why risk it just to pad your activity numbers?   So my opinion is this: If the tag was indeed illegally affixed to the motorcycle then the officer was within the law but not a very good officer, and he certainly needs to explore other job opportunities before he does something drastically stupid and gets someone hurt in the process.

Nice build. I have a keymod on my 308 but I kinda felt like they were like Jorts...trying to be many things but accomplishing none of them. In any case you are like the Kevin Smith of jorts. Owning it. I like it. Geissele, CMT, CMMG, VLTOR....great ingredients. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

    And we now just found a new place to have the next TGO meet & greet.

  I was in a meeting last week where a big company with 500 employees is leaving CA and setting up shop in TN. The are letting some of the higher ups move with them but most will be getting a pink slip. The only comment I had was "they get what the deserve". I hate it for the people loosing their jobs but when they elect the idiots that make CA very expensive and restrictive to do business in, what do the expect?

[quote name="wcd" post="1289193" timestamp="1437618609"] Pap John Sez: <snip> "In Oct 2014, a 21 year old shift leader in Columbia, Tn was robbed at gun point of which ended fatally. At that point Papa John's decided to promote the safety of their team members [no gun sign] in the attempt to deter theft and violence. <snip> This was a brilliant move by Papa Johns. Simply post a no gun sign and violent criminals would no longer rob their stores with guns! Why haven't banks thought about doing this. [emoji724]

I'll be interested to know if you're able to get the stink out of the hide. You can usually smell a coyote before you see him.

down before across. weird format.

A lot of us consider ourselves totally responsible for the security of our families in our homes, and part of that is exercising total control over who comes into the house armed and who doesn't. Having a concealed pistol aboard doesn't make one a good guy. Having a carry permit doesn't either. Nor does being a life member of TGO or being able to spell RKBA in seventeen different languages. What makes one a good guy for purposes of me admitting him into my home and into the presence of my family is trustworthy conduct, and that trustworthy conduct is forfeit in my book when someone I don't know comes into my house armed without informing me of that fact beforehand. That's where I'm coming from, and I'm certainly not alone in feeling this way.

Honestly, I'm glad to see courtesy winning out here.