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My wife picked up a bag to shoulder carry an oxygen tank. Fits my mini Draco perfectly even with a side folder. The only issue is a 20 round mag is a little too tall. I will pick up a 10 rounder and see how it works. If it does who is going to say anything to a guy on crutches holding an oxygen bag.

I finished my 1st SBR build with my brother in law recently. Geissele combat trigger Troy alpha rail Noveske 300 BLk 8 in barrel AAC 2.0 brake AAC SR7 Bravo company BCG Magpul K grip BAD ambi safety Strategic edge light Aimpoint T1 A bunch of other ridiculously expensive things that put me in a bind with my wife. But forgiveness, not permission, right? Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

https://twitter.com/msn It was originally reported as "Heavily armed white civilians patrolled Ferguson, drawing criticism from police".   And this is how all this crap starts again. It gets reported one way so that a certain group will take to the streets but in the meantime they change the headlines and act like they did nothing wrong.   The media, for the most part, sickens me with how they report news here in the US. Anyone who has been overseas knows that real news is everywhere else and if you want to know what is going on here then find a news source from another country.

Where you and I apparently disagree is the premise that he was suspicious to begin with: therefore, the police officer had no reason to stop him based on that alone - other than carrying a weapon which the officer expressed no concerns over to begin with, and considering the propensity of many of the >250,000 HCP holders in this state alone to open carry, this could no longer be PC, (the courts would have to argue that one out).   Let's break this down, shall we?   1. "I noticed a cop staring at me while I loaded my tail bag."  Does someone stop to calmly load a bag on their bike, pat their selves down checking for whatever it was that he was checking for, put on their riding gloves, and check the security of their bag after walking out and seeing a cop eye-balling them after they just robbed a store? Does he then calmly mount the bike and take his time starting it and pulling out of the spot?   2. The biker was clearly on the side of the brick building of the store where there was only one other person who got into their vehicle to leave, (who apparently having NOT just witnessed a robbery), so there wasn't any obstruction to conducting any interaction with the "suspect" at that time, no other indications of criminal activity, (alarm, call, or body language of the citizen getting into the vehicle next to the biker), and avenues for escape of the vehicle/rider were reduced where he was. Since statistically the most dangerous thing that a police officer does is a traffic stop because conducting business on the side of the road with vehicles whizzing by is inherently dangerous, does it make sense to allow someone that you think might have just robbed the store get on a crotch-rocket and pull into traffic leaving a more controllable location for a less controllable location? Is increasing the chance of a chase on public roadways safer for the public than where he was initially? Remember, the rider was courteous enough to the officer to pick an open parking lot for a safe location; not the officer choosing the location.   3. The officer states that he was just "checking" on the rider because he had his tag "not displayed right" and walking out of the store with his helmet on and a gun on his side, and that he looked suspicious. Suspicious of what? Over my many years I've seen many law-abiding motorcyclists who do not take their helmets off to run into a convenience store, so that's BS unless Lenoir City is the world's capital of motorcycle bandits who do this. The officer appeared to be waiting on the biker to leave. I base that opinion on the fact that he was parked in the back corner of the side of the convenience store back by the dumpster. That's a pretty unusual place for a patrolman to park to get a cup of coffee if he's concerned about emergency response time as he should be. What would happen if his car was blocked by a trash truck while he was in the store and got an emergency call? So it appears that he noticed the armed biker before the biker left the store and was waiting for him to leave, so why wait for the guy to go into the store to begin with if he either noticed the tag first or thought that he was suspicious for another reason? If he noticed the tag first could he have not run the tag of the bike and the registered owner for wants/warrants while he was in the store? We don't know about how the tag was displayed, but if it was affixed to the factory mount that claim is total BS since manufacturers have to make their vehicles in accordance with lawful standards in order to sell them. Also, from the sound and what could be seen of the bike, it has not been modified leading me to believe it very unlikely that the one thing the owner would change on a crotch-rocket would be the tag mounting location.   4. The officer first asks if the biker has a license on him; not a HCP, nor does he ask about a HCP at all, so I submit that this again points to the officer not being really concerned about the legality of the gun. Then when questioned about the reason for the stop he responds that his reason is that the tag is not displayed right. He then snatches the gun from the biker. Within his right? Yes! Dickhead move? Absolutely! What would be the consequences had the weapon gone off giving the biker a bad case of Glock Butt or worse?   My take from this video is that the officer was NOT truly suspicious of any criminal activity. And if the tag was really properly affixed to the factory mount, (it would have been great if the video showed the tag to remove all doubt about that), he could be subject to legal scrutiny because we do NOT live in a police state. You and I both know that many officers pad their activity numbers and up their warnings count with BS stops like this. Besides the fact that crap like this just exacerbates the general public's negative perceptions of police as a whole, the increase in the number of cameras out there also increases the chances of suits against officers and departments. Why risk it just to pad your activity numbers?   So my opinion is this: If the tag was indeed illegally affixed to the motorcycle then the officer was within the law but not a very good officer, and he certainly needs to explore other job opportunities before he does something drastically stupid and gets someone hurt in the process.

So when you post that up for sale in a couple of years, I'm guessing it's going to be listed with the number of rounds Rob gave you minus one? :)

  I will agree that it is wrong for any officer to revert to this argument early on in any discussion, and should reserve it for the hard cases like the ones I'll talk about below. In all honesty though, I would advise citizens to understand that without that background they could totally misunderstand what is going on and to look before they leap. Here's what I mean.   A number of years ago a man killed another man with a hunting knife and took off running up a steep hill on a state highway. One of our officers saw him and cut off his escape with the police car. As was custom in those days, the officer spread eagled the killer with his hands spread out on the trunk and his feet spread wide also. The officer then frisked the man with one hand while holding his service weapon on him with the other. A few minutes later an irate woman went busting into the nearby state police facility demanding to see the Commanding Officer. When the Captain came out to talk to her, she greeted him with an irate demand to know what the hell a state police officer was doing forcing an innocent citizen to push his police car up a hill at gunpoint. That actually happened in the Newhall CHP Area in 1967.   As this story illustrates in a bit of an exaggerated fashion, there is a great deal the citizen cannot understand about the actions of policemen unless he has been a cop or unless he has a cop friend or even an officer's supervisor explain it to him. Citizens, even the most well educated and observant ones, have no background in voluminous and complicated police procedures, policies, enforcement tactics, training doctrine, and least of all, case law. A lot of the criticism of officers expressed on internet gun forums is based on a lack of knowledge about many of the things needed to formulate an informed opinion. That plus an angry determination to charge ahead full speed without them. Most of us cops understand that and allow for it in dealing with public criticism. We do our level best to explain why something was done by an officer the way it was. I spent a lifetime as a police supervisor explaining such things to irate citizens. But when some of the people involved in these discussions, regardless of thoughtful and time-consuming explanations offered by officers, insist on pontificating about officers' actions, always in a critical vein, and basing accusations of incompetence/malfeasance on supposition involving no knowledge of any of the things mentioned above, and often on nothing more than having passed the written exam for an HCP, there's really nothing left to tell them but to go try it from behind the badge. In those extreme cases there isn't enough bandwidth on the internet to offer them an explanation they will accept - they always know better, insist on making uninformed statements they are not qualified to make, and not even the most thoughtful explanation from an officer or supervisor will dissuade them from such pontifications. That's when I consider it proper to tell someone to go get some training or study some law, or try it as a cop.  There's just nothing else left to tell them.

I don't have much to say on the primary subject of the thread as I think that btr96, SWJewelTN and others have articulated most of my views reasonably well. I do want to address an argument that I have seen made repeatedly in this thread and elsewhere whenever the subject of interactions between the police and the public has arisen. Variations of arguments that question the standing of those critiquing cop behavior to even do so because they don't have an LE background are just plain bad argumentation. It is one thing to use your background in LE to explain why you do things a certain way. That's a valid argument, but to say that someone shouldn't question a tactic or action because they don't understand what it is like to be a cop is in no way shape or form a valid argument. It is the equivalent of feminists saying that men can't have an opinion of abortion because they lack a vagina or when SJWs say that folks can't question certain behaviors because they aren't of a particular race. It is simply a tactic to silence the other party without substantively addressing the topic actually being discussed. When you say "you need to be a ______ or you wouldn't understand what _____ go through" what you are really saying is that you can't make a strong argument to support your position would rather try to weasel out of the debate by delegitimization of your opponent.

Just to add to a PITA week I am already having...I am going to share something that just happened 10 minutes ago.   If anyone didn't know, I'm currently AD Army stationed on Campbell and been trying to sell my WASR-10. One of my coworkers asked me to send him a picture and typed his number into my phone...apparently he fat-fingered my touch screen and put a "0" where there should have been a "1"   A few minutes later I get a call from a Louisiana number - from a VERY IRATE lady working at a counseling clinic of some sorts, she was demanding to know who I am. A quick synopsis: Her: WHO ARE YOU?! Me: Umm, I don't know this number so who are you? Her: Well I just received a picture of a machine gun at my work phone and called the police to file a threat report!   Then...I knew what had happened. Instead of SGT So-and-So getting my picture, apparently it got sent to the work phone of a youth counselor near Ferguson....holy crap. She said she called the police to file a hate crime report or something.   Finally explained the situtation to her: 1) It is not a Machine Gun 2) I am a resident of Tennessee and in the Army 3) It is a legal weapon 4) This is a big misunderstanding.   She lightened up after that - kudos to her confronting the threat, I apologized and she said she would call of the Local PD and tell them it was a misunderstanding - hopefully CID or some other wierdos do not come and try to ball me up over this, it would just add to the level of stupidity that I am undergoing lol.   So folks, make sure you confirm the number of the person you are trying to text before you send it. Especially if they do not say it to you.   Hopefully nothing more comes of this...

Hey, as long as you're not packing a revolver, you're good to go :)

I'm afraid we all gonna be Civil War reenactors if stuff don't change.

Here's a biggun' headed to a TGO member via the leather sheath maker.

A bud and I went up to the range today to do some AR target shooting. I was using a new Palmetto pencil barrel build and my friend was using a Bushy M4gery, both with iron sights. We were both using common 55 grain ammo.   We had zeroed both rifles last time so we started right in on the yellow steel plate dingers at 100 to 200 yards, sitting at the bench but shooting off of our elbows. Ringing the dingers with great regularity, I got cocky and moved on to the 300 yard dingers. Well Shazam I was just dingin' heck out of them, so I decided to stretch myself a little farther and shoot at a much smaller yellow dinger out in the puckerbrush to the side of the main dingers. I had no idea why the club had put it out in the bushes like that, but I wanted to give it a go anyway.   I hunkered down and gave it my best squeeze with the sights dead center in the middle of it - and missed it clean. Couldn't believe it! So I rehunkered, reaimed, resquoze, and missed it again. Dang!!! Five times in a row I gave it my best shot, literally, and missed it slicker'n heck every durn time. So I turned to my friend and told him what was going on. He picked up his binocs and spied the dinger I was missing so bad and said: "Are you shooting at the small yellow dinger about 20 yards to the right of the main dingers at 300 yards? The one out in the bushes?" "Yessir, that's the one." I replied.   Lowering his binocs and looking at me with a sad grin, he said: "Jer, your dinger is a bunch of yellow flowers. You're shooting hell out of a beautiful yellow bouquet."   OK, so I left my binocs at home. What of it?   :rant:  :rofl:

I'm torn, agree Ferguson does not need anymore gasoline.  There is a time and place for the Oath Keepers and alike, this is not one of them in my opinion. 

That's what I was wondering? As in a special forces operator? What does that have to do with a cop snatching a weapon from the holster in an unsafe manner? Sent from the backwoods

  TGO wasn't the only site I discussed this video on, because believe it or not, I do seek informed opinions other than my own, including from subject matter experts.  So I'll just leave these comments here to speak for themselves.  They are all from current or former LEO's just like those here on TGO.  Only difference is their jurisdictions were not in Tennessee, but I would think the dangers of the situation at hand transcend state lines easily enough.     -----   I can't speak for other officers, but I always let the person's attitude dictate the need to or not to disarm someone for my safety. My attitude toward the person I stopped played a pivotal role in their attitude.   99% of the traffic stops I did with a CCW holder were uneventful. If they were kind enough to let me know they were CCW, I was cool with that. I'd just tell them don't show me yours and I won't show you mine. Did what I had to do and moved on.   I knew of officers who would immediately want to take control of the persons weapon upon knowing they were CCW. They'd always run the SN to find out if it's stolen or not and unload it prior to returning it, telling the owner not to load until they were away. Every time I heard of an officer doing that, I always thought of them as being scared.   As for this video, that was a chicken #### thing to do by the officer. He was scared.   -----   Judging his body language, he was scared. He should take off the gun and swap his badge for a parking meter attendant patch.   -----   As I write this, I cannot remember ever disarming someone for my safety during a routine traffic stop. I never felt the need or felt so uncomfortable that I would take an individuals weapon for my personal comfort (lack of a better term).   After watching the video, the action was plain stupid and the officer is lucky his head didn't get shoved in.   Watching crap like this pisses me off to no end because it just escalates and provokes incidents for no reason, and furthers the rift between LE and citizens.   -----   I wouldn't say the officer would be scared of you, per se. They're more scared of the weapon and I feel it stems from how they're trained and lack of leadership.   -----   ^^^You take the weapon out of the equation, total different reaction from the officer. You ask any officer how the would handle a armed civilian vs an unarmed civilian, you'll probably get two different answers. It shouldn't be like that, but it is. Why? I really don't know. I feel it's how they are trained and a lack of leadership.   -----   Where I was a cop, there were a LOT of guns, as you know. In the academy they beat it into you from Day 1 that officer safety trumps everything. They show you the videos of the Texas constable getting jumped by three Mexicans and shot with his own weapon along with lots of other videos that show similar situations. You cant help but leave the academy being paranoid that anyone you encounter might jump you/stab you/ shoot you etc. ANYONE can be a bad guy.   For me, I was fortunate that I had some older seasoned guys who were able to tone that down for me after the academy and explain/remind me that most people are not criminals and should not be treated like it without cause "just to be on the safe side". I was told point blank that if I didnt want the risks involved with doing the job properly, that I should find a safer line of work. The light bulb came on and being a cop was a lot more enjoyable after that. The default became that I was out there to help people, not look for reasons to arrest everyone I came into contact with.   In my experience, most cops today never make that transition, and in most cases they dont get that "chat" from the older veteran cops. So, they stay in that mindset of 1* (one ass to risk) and that your rights and/or your life come second to their safety.   I also knew many who were just straight up drama queens who liked to play up the potential-hero or paranoid cop thing. The ones who even off duty act like they could be called upon at any second to jock up and go save the world. Sit at home and have the scanner or their radio on at all times. Pull people over when they are off duty.   Power and adrenaline are very addictive drugs to some personalities. Some guys settle out and become solid cops. Some guys dont. But by the time you figure out which ones dont you cant get rid of them.

Its Denzel from training day. Monica patch Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

Just don't mix up numbers and send a picture of your gun to the wrong person. Had a guy I was stationed at Miramar do that and accidently sent it to some Butter bars wife. That took some explaining lol. Sent from the backwoods

I highly doubt that anything will come of sending a picture to a wrong number. Maybe if you threatened to eat her children, praise be Allah! you might be in trouble.

I pay attention to the signatures....just sayin'. ;)

Heavy weapons? I didn't see any barricaded heavy machine guns or MK-19's. I bet the rioting would have calmed way down after one long rip from a MA Deuce or MK 19. Sent from the backwoods

The deal a few weeks ago in the classifieds was too good to pass up for me. I got a great deal, and met a great member in the process. You won't be disappointed with the lite in light blue. I too was going to get a pack lite barrel for my 22/45 HB, but again couldn't pass up this deal, lol. Great suppressor host, and loads of fun to shoot. With the compensator the balance is phenomenal.

From a secret undisclosed location near Flat Top Mountain this summer -

It will process the deer before it hits the ground. Complete with styrofoam trays and plastic wrap.

Good margarita's are easy.   Step one.  Throw away that corn syrup margarita mix.  Usually has Cuervo on the label.   Step two.  Throw away the Jose Cuervo Gold or Silver mixto tequila.  It is crap, basically tequila flavored vodka.     Salt the rim of your glass, two shots of good tequila, one shot of triple sec or another orange liquor, the juice from half a lime, splash of some type of fruit juice ( OJ, pineapple, mango, or combination of them)    Drink up and enjoy.

A couple of vids from my trail camera.  Nothing like the above pics, but considering two years ago I was lucky to see one deer during the summer, I've slowly been getting them back in to the area.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMFh5aDXcoI   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzx4xV06k4Q

  Based on your sig line picture I'm guessing you'll be shopping in the Union section...   :)

If you want one like the restaurants make it...both of those are a solution. If you want a GOOD margarita, squeeze about 6 limes, 1 lemon, add a cup of tequila, half a cup of triple sec, splash of simple syrup (sugar water for us rednecks) rim a glass with lime juice and kosher salt, toss it in with some crushed ice.... And the panties drop. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

I think that may qualify as "cruel and unsual."

I took this week off work and decided to spend my vacation in the Smokies, backpacking and fishing. I am sworn to secrecy on the backcountry fishing spots, but I also fished the middle prong of The Little Pigeon and the Pigeon below Big Creek with some success. The best fun was catching brookies in the head waters of the backcountry streams. I got into Tenkara fishing last year. It's basically a fixed line, ultralight fly fishing that works well with backpacking. I took zero fish pic due to my fear of dropping my phone in the river, but I did take some scenery shots. Weather was great and I had a wonderful 6 days in the mountains. I spent a few night backcountry and a few front country. All were great in the hammock.

Glenn... Will continue to send up the prayers... They are the best medicine...     leroy

And that is how  the iRobot Roomba came to fruition.

  No local shop is even remotely likely to have something like that laying around.   572 extractors, spring, and pin:   https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/Remington-33454/Rifles-37895/572-39538.htm?page=2   - OS

^ This! The picture in and of itself without a threat or prior knowledge of the person to whom the picture was sent is a bit of a no-brainer. On second thought I just realized who was appointed the AG position. Perhaps you should go into hiding? :)

Coreing bit on a stand drill that is what we use at work the one we have is 6 1/8" works good but slow and need lots of water

I was commenting on the lack of her position in the OP; not lack of her position on the subject. :)

Good margaritas require a very generous helping of good tequlia.  Don Julio, Herradura, ....

I like it. Very Sun Tzu. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

  Great term from a great book. 

Yes! That definitely helped my mood. I need to get my cams back out... maybe later this week. I've been shooting my bow a lot more recently, so I'm getting the itch. Nice pics!

  Against the law to possess a loaded firearm period. Even doing so at your home is a defense.   People in other states don't usually grok that regarding "The Patron State of Shootin' Stuff".    Most states simply pass laws against certain actions with firearms, while TN starts with premise ALL possession of loaded firearms is illegal, and then gives a scatload of defenses or exceptions.   - OS

Texas Roadhouse is the only steak place I frequent anymore. They have the consistently best steak.   In ten years they have messed up one steak, and that was for my daughter, as she also only eats her steak medium rare like her father. They brought her a medium and she wouldn't eat it. When the waiter asked her was was wrong, she told him, and he brought her a proper steak in minutes. He got a decent tip for that.

A better score would have been a LE6940.

And we are regularly advised they are going bankrupt.  Wonder why!

I've stayed out of this until now, but an officer sees a guy come out of a store with his helmet on and a gun on his hip. The biker calmly takes his sweet time to put on his gloves, mount his bike, turn it on, wait for the truck next to him to pull out, and all while having made eye contact with the officer sitting in his car, but the officer thinks that's suspicious enough for a stop but waits until the biker gets on the road to pull him over citing a BS tag mounting? I don't think so. I call BS!

When there is a potential for abuse of power, the government usually takes advantage of it.

   They are not allowed to cook hamburgers that way or hamburger Steaks but there is no rules about steaks. They use that as an excuse because they don't know how to actually cook a rare steak................... :up: :up:

  I would have shot back.                   :D

I would say the RIA would be a better choice. What is better to start out with as your first gun than a 1911?   Get him an apple pie and a baseball glove too, an American Trifecta.

  After a year of owning an SBR, my 16" AR feels like it's the size of a musket.  SBR's are awesome to shoot, and very practical for home defense.  Not that I'm happy with all the rules around them, but from a cost benefit analysis, it's worth the hassle of the process to get one.

Cocaine and a hooker