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They don't cross the river for supply runs in dc or Maryland because of the strict gun control laws.

Turned over 100,000 miles! Unfortunately, I was only responsible for about the last 20K. 1991 Honda ST1100. Left the house on Saturday and put on right at 1,200 miles before returning today. It's due for a clutch but besides that I would ride her anywhere. I do have to say the best part about owning a 24 year old bike with 100K on it is I never stay in a motel on the road and wonder if she'll be there the next morning. Shot after I got home and wiped her down.

Get pissed all you want but the second you do ANYTING intentionally to instigate the other person, other than honking the horn, you are the instigator. By law a horn is only to be used to avoid an accident. It is not there to tell the person in front of you that the light is green or because you think they are going to slow. Yes, I call people names when they do idiotic things on the road but that is as far as it goes. I know I would bear the majority of the responsibility of I did something to intentionally provoke another and something went real bad.   And as Cruel Hand Luke said you need to figure out if what you are going to do is worth it. My wife gets onto me all the time for automatically assuming the worst but that probably keeps me from doing stupid stuff.   I will say the one thing that really, really bothers me though is drivers who cross the center line in a curve and forces us off the edge of the road. We will hit the horn every time that happens if we can. I even told my wife I want to install a "panic" button attached to a 170dB air horn but my wife said it is not a good idea and she is probably right but I cannot imagine a more satisfying thing that scaring the living crap out of the driver that just scared the living crap out of us.

I am an ATGATT (All The Gear All The Time) rider and I believe that riding without a helmet is just the right amount of chlorine in the gene pool. However, I agree with you on freedom. If you're an adult, you should be able to make stupid decisions if you want to. I feel exactly the same about seat belts and seat belt laws. Or pretty much any law that dictates behavior of an adult.

The F******* idiots in charge of that school said he couldn't wear a high and tight in support of his brother deployed in the military.   http://www.fox17.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/McMinnville-Boy-Honoring-Brother-With-Military-Haircut-Forced-by-School-to-Shave-It-Off-107206.shtml   They need a good dose of some public outcry to their emails, faxes & phones.

You should totally have the freedom to not wear a helmet or seatbelt for that matter.  Emergency responders should have freedom to say "Mehh, you shoulda wore a helmet." when your brains are oozing out your ear.  The door swings both ways, as it should.  People need to quit trying to make it a one way door.     The typical emergency responder's moral compass would never let him/her sit idle because of someone's lapse of judgment, BUT, ALL lawsuits should be thrown out in toto when you make that choice.  AND, it should cover all the bases.  Didn't wear a seat belt, got ejected out the front of the car and now a quadriplegic?  Don't file for disability, you're on your own for being stupid. Same with a helmet, didn't wear one and now you're a slobbering vegetable?  Nope, no help for you. .....but at least you didn't get a ticket for not wearing it!  LOL!

  Because that's how insurance works. You are put into a pool of people who share similar demographics and either benefit or are punished from the behavior of others like you. That's why, as you get older, your premiums decrease.      This seems like an a-hole move. You don't have to have your car towed because the tags are out of date. Why should it be any different for a bike?      Yea, gun control laws are there to protect us from ourselves too. I am perfectly fine taking care of myself, thanks. 

Heh heh. You're right. I totally read that wrong.

I think he meant out of the high crime area?

I had a near collision over on Old Hickory Blvd headed to Charlotte a few years ago.  THe guy was pretty pissed but HEY, not one hit anyone and poop happens.  He honked and flipped me off and then followed me for a long ways trying to get me to pull over.   Back then, there was a large Police department on that end of Charlotte.  I pulled right in there to see what he wanted.  Funny he didn't feel the need to follow me anymore.           Never, ever put yourself into a position of conflict.  Look like a puss, so what?  ALWAYS actively seek the path of least resistance.  

^^^ +1, last time someone got aggressive with me I dialed 911 and headed to the closest police station.

Proper thing to do? Probably not flip off someone over something so trivial.

While I do support one making their own decision regarding helmets consider this:  insurance premiums will likely skyrocket for everyone that rides if this passes.   Anyone notice this proposal would NOT apply to those on TennCare?

I don't own a Glock and don't plan to but I do love my Bersa's and Llama's 380s and they are my main and only carry guns. I have Fiocchi Ball Ammo loaded in all of them with great confidence if I ever needed to use them they would do what I need in the protection areas............jmho

Congrats!! You got a great wife!!

The .380 was designed by John Moses Browning himself.  Therefore, it is perfect and further debate is not required.

I no longer have a dog in this fight. I gave up the bike two years ago. I had over 45 years in the saddle. I believe in the saying " Let those who ride decide".  Your best bet for fighting for bikers rights is ABATE.  They are the NRA for biker rights. When I was young and stupid I had to have the wind in my hair and as I got older I strapped on the skid lid. But I always wanted it to be my choice!   The bike and the lids are gone, but I just can't get rid of the leathers. Too many memories of days gone bye, I sure miss it.   Bye the way, I'm all for removing all warning labels and let nature take it's course. :cheers:

      That's unfortunately what I thought as well... If that's the case, I think I'm SOL. Guess I've got some fancy paper weights... Ugh.  :surrender:

You still need a buffer tube and all that jazz unless you already have it.   Edit: I guess maybe you were including that with the sig brace and not on this list. Either way sounds like a good deal.  :up:

I'd be fine with "local authority" if it weren't even more asinine than the state.   Brentwood even went so far as to ban running in a particular park citing "safety concerns" lol http://www.runnersworld.com/general-interest/runners-banned-from-tennessee-parks-trails

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  There's quite a nice loop you can do if that's your thing. Natchez->50->48->49->251 (Or finish up a little differently depending on your final destination). 48 south of 100 and 49 are some great riding roads if traffic is light.

Unfortunately; Helmet laws are needed to protect people from themselves. I know around this town with all the young people from Fort Campbell acting like total a*** on "crotch rockets", they have to have helmet laws to protect themselves as most can't make informed decisions for themselves. I don't ride anymore, but if I did, I'm wear a helmet and all the protective available to me!!!! These guys that are hitting the rear end of a car at 70mph in a 45 zone isn't going to fair well helmet or not. However, a helmet may help keep your brains where they belong instead of allover everything.   Peace out Brothers...   Dave

Other states have repealed helmet laws on the premise that they are losing tourism revenue.  I know there are many baby boomer motorcyclists with expendable income.  Many avoid Tennessee and other states with helmet laws.  Hotels, Restaurants all get business from bikers on vacation...maybe they should take that approach in their argument.   http://www.abateofmichigan.org/Michigan%27sHelmetChoiceLaw.htm

A silenced, supersonic round is going to be loud because of the supersonic crack. And that crack is the same regardless of the caliber. A 22lr that is supersonic has the same crack as a supersonic 30 caliber. The supersonic crack starts the second it leaves the bore but doesn't get noticeable until about 15 feet from the muzzle and continues until the bullet drops below the speed of sound. And the supersonic crack sounds like a gun shot even though the muzzle blast might be muffled by the silencer. But as far as actual noise levels it is comparable to a 22 lr so unless the target is under 15 feet it is still going to be considered loud to most people.   If I were to pick one of the cartridges mentioned in the thread it would be the Grendel but that is based on performance and nothing else. It will be pricey to buy ammunition as well as troublesome to load accurate rounds for but it would come close to what you are looking for.   There are other calibers capable of being fired from an AR. The 30 OSSM is somewhere between 30-06 and 300 Win Mag out of an AR. Ammunition is available, expensive but available, and is more than capable of taking ethical shots at 400 yards. Now it will not have the magazine capacity of the others but no matter what you choose there will be tradeoffs. There are also guns available in most of the WSSM calibers, again it will be expensive to buy and shoot but most are more than capable of doing what you are looking for.   A good rule of thumb for the 300 Blackout is whatever a 308 Winchester is capable of doing the 300 Blackout can do the same minus 275 yards. That is if you feel comfortable taking deer at 400 yards with the 308 the 300 Blackout will be able to do the same at 125 yards. The 300 Blackout does two things really well, shoot really lightweight bullets really fast and shoot really heavy bullets really slow. And neither of those options works well for long range shots on game. You cannot get enough velocity, even from the muzzle, for most hunting bullets to expand. I LOVE the 300 Blackout but it is a short range cartridge when it comes to taking game. I do not hunt but most that do hunt with the Blackout say shots need to be under 150 yards.

I have three modern full face helmets. They do interfere. I agree about the insurance. As long as it's the same with the car, why am I paying more for other peoples accidents?

Suprise Suprise. These comitees are politicians own private graveyards

The whole full face helmets decrease peripheral vision thing doesn't hold water, just try one on.  The full faces made in the 70's and 80's may not have had as big as a field of vision but a well fitted modern helmet will not decrease your peripheral vision at all. 

Good luck and prayers on the way. I went thru something similar last year at 30yrs old and again recently. Was working long odd hours at work, just miserable. Started having numbness in my fingers. Got scared, looked up symptoms of a heart attack. Started worrying about it and before long was having chest tightnes, light headed, ect... Ended up having a 2 ekg's, a stress test, and an echo. Cant find any problems with my ticker. Even had a CT scan on my head for the light headedness and no problems. All the docs say its anxiety related. On the plus side Ive dropped 30lbs and eating much more healthy. It also put the fear of God back in me. Got me back into church and trying to live better.

Getting in on this a little late but here goes....   Actions have consequences...both intended consequences and unintended consequences.....but they are consequences of the action nonetheless.    Everyone needs to sit down and really think about what they are really willing to die for and willing to die because of and possibly get others with you injured or killed because of. Are you really willing to instigate a lethal force confrontation with your wife or 4 year old daughter present? Or your elderly parents? Or your friends?    Are you REALLY willing to die for making sure you let some careless driver know you don't approve of his driving? Are we REALLY willing to possibly get into a gunfight with our wife present because we can't control our middle finger and our horn? Most people are not really willing to die for that...yet they never give any thought to how their ramping up a situation could very well lead to that through the unintended consequences of their actions.   Then we need to sit down and carefully consider what we are really willing to kill someone for. I'm not really willing to kill someone because they accidentally backed out into traffic when it was not clear to do so and it angered me. So you're annoyed...get over it ....life is full of annoyances.  I'm not going to instigate a fight where there did not need to be one to start with.....and THAT is what started this situation. When the other driver backed out, the OP could just easily have stopped and not instigated a confrontation. But because he apparently never considered that someone else MIGHT be willing to kill or injure him (or his wife) over an insult he found himself in a potentially dangerous situation, unarmed, AND with his wife in the car. What happens if the wife gets killed or injured due to our inability to keep our road rage in check? Better to consider that now than have to deal with it later as a consequence of our actions.    Actions have consequences. And instigating a confrontation where a simple wave and driving on would have been far more appropriate is not going to be looked upon kindly by the courts. The REASON that people can act like jackasses in the North is because the likelihood of anyone actually beating their ass or shooting them for yelling and flipping them off is so remote that they never even consider that as a possibility....but down here...nothing is guaranteed. There are people willing to kill you over their jacked up Impala......   I told my wife when we started dating that I'm almost always armed in public and that if she loses her $hit and goes full redneck on someone because they do something stupid or careless that she may put me in a position of having to kill someone because she couldn't keep it under control. It really made her reconsider what is TRULY important and under what circumstances it would be appropriate to confront someone. And those situations are VERY few. There is a reason that Heinlein said "an armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his actions with his life". If everyone knows everyone else is armed and willing to confront insults with lethal force then people tend to be far less insulting to their fellow man.      Having said that, once the Impala driver becomes a threat then plan A is to head for the local police station as we IMMEDIATELY dial 911.  This is a situation that could go down hill very fast. So getting on the phone with the police and giving a location and description (and getting you on record as being the victim) will help not only possibly end the situation by leading the guy chasing us to the cops but also help if anything happens that goes to court. You don't ever want to be a participant in mutually agreed upon combat that ends in someone being killed or seriously injured. It needs to be clear that YOU are the VICTIM, not a willing participant.     John Farnam has a saying about avoiding stupid people , stupid places and not doing stupid things. We need to make sure our actions don't paint US as the stupid person doing stupid things....

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Yes, fear of costs by the use of terror tactics make this a conversation.    Local 8 reports; Triple-A was part of a study that shows with a no helmet law, traumatic brain injuries and deaths increase after crashes. Milani says, "If the helmets do come off and the bill is passed, the state residents and private insurance companies can see price go up 100 percent." So by their math, if 10% of the 167k motorcyclists are in accidents, they would need to affect 280 automobile drivers (of the 4.5 million) to cause an increase of 100%.   It's all a farce, there are 31 states where one can ride without a helmet, chaos isn't the norm.   How many uninsured thugs are getting shot, stabbed or having babies or drug od's and who is paying that tab? I've got a feeling it's more.   Control is the reason, otherwise it wouldn't be a left leaning agenda using fuzzy (to put it lightly) math.    http://www.local8now.com/home/headlines/No-helmet-law-under-review-in-Nashville-297439431.html   I'm awaiting response from the AAA rep and the (rather good looking) journalist, of course I'm not holding my breath. 

I'm not sure if it's TN law but I would imagine wearing a helmet in a car is illegal, reason being is it can block your view. A full face blocks most of your peripheral vision. It was illegal in another states I've lived in. I too have lost friends and have some that are permanently damaged, helmets can certainly protect the melon just as they can help snap your neck from the added weight and momentum. I've also put bikes down, twice in the road and numerous times in the dirt. I've learned from them, since then I probably have at least 200k miles under my belt on two wheels. I've gotten more injury from the weight and size of the helmet Not to mention dehydration. Of course I've participated in numerous training courses and have learned something new each time. Safety prevention sounds good but also tends to have consequences. Those of you that have seen heads split open have most likely seen more people injured in car accidents. Both are horrible and unnecessary. I've been in one accident in a car, fell asleep behind the wheel. 100% my fault and luckily didn't hurt anyone else (or me). I pay attention and am patient. The way I see it, there are no accidents, none, they are all caused by someone's neglect. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just advocating for freedom of choice. Ride safe and look out for the other guy!

Pull-a-Part.

You got out off the situation without using a gun, what better ending could you have had? No reason to ever get put of the vehicle and no reason that a gun should be involved unless you are trapped in traffic or something and the aggressor has exited his vehicle and it's coming towards you. Someone tailing you is hardly a reason to be in fear of your life, just drive towards the police station.

I could see insurance companies refusing coverage for not wearing a helmet regardless of fault. I personally don't care if they do away with the helmet law but I've seen aftermath of not wearing the proper helmet resulting in open skulls and brains on the roadway.

If you don't wear a helmet when you ride, you don't have anything that needs protecting.

It starts at the beginning. Don't give him the bird. I know this isn't what you are looking for, but I really try not to flip people off.

The Tenn care thing must be an appeasement for support.  My point about helmet less riders being better dressed is because of the focus on training instead of just a law. Same thing here if the effort is placed on training versus just having a helmet law.    While it is logical for the insurance co's to increase rates, a good portion of that would be because of opportunity (in my opinion). In Florida (I need an example from somewhere) legislation was passed to restrict insurance companies from gouging rates. Of course FL is unique because the state doesn't require motorcyclists to carry insurance on the bike, to get the law passed they did require medical coverage though.    TN had 4.5 million licensed drivers in 2010, I'm guessing about 300K have a motorcycle license. If rates sky rocket due to a potential several thousand drivers, something is fishy.    http://www.statista.com/statistics/206453/total-number-of-licensed-drivers-in-tennessee-in-2010-by-age/   I've got to find some real stats (not skewed gov ones) and when I do I'll post em. 

The bill is going to committee today, I might have jumped the gun. I saw the article and just started writing.    The article on WATE's website is very minimal and written by the AP. Follows:   "NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) – AAA motor club wants to put the brakes on proposed legislation that would allow many motorcyclists to ride without a helmet. Currently, Tennessee law requires all motorcyclists to wear a helmet. But a bill  that will be going to committee on Tuesday would allow anyone who is 21 or over who has health coverage, as long as it’s not through TennCare, to be able to legally ride without a helmet. Anyone over the age of 21 on TennCare, the state’s Medicaid program for the poor, would be required to wear the head protection. The bill is being sponsored by Rep. Jay Reedy of Erin and fellow Republican Sen. Kerry Roberts of Springfield. AAA says the bill would be almost impossible to enforce and will lead to more deaths and injuries." From what Ive seen so far, there isn't a strong showing in Tennessee's ABATE, (hope it's OK to post another group on here) usually this group is the strongest proponent of motorcycle freedom and a push for an investment for safety. I haven't gotten my feet wet with them yet but will once my life is settled a bit. ABATE is nation wide and each state runs their own organization. In PA and FL, they were successful with getting the laws overturned but more importantly, they were successful in getting the states to focus on safety and training for the populace as a whole. While there are those folks that will hurt themselves because they can, the majority of crashes are because of car drivers not seeing the biker. This is where the safety effort comes in. I'll see if I can track down and monitor the legislative side. In the meantime, here are a few links on it.  http://www.cmtabate.com http://helmetfreetn.com/helmet-legalization.php http://www.chattanoogan.com/2015/3/24/296667/AAA-Urges-Tennessee-Lawmakers-To-Not.aspx http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HB0700&ga=109

Just a suggestion: http://www.motorcycleroads.us/roads/tn85.html   Heed the warnings though. If you ride your own ride it's a fantastic road. If you don't, you could end up like me, coming over the top of a hill really fast with a 90+ degree turn to the right and looking down at the river below. Thank God for anti-lock brakes is all I can say. :D

I'm this guy. One day, I will have a 41 Magnum! I love having choices. This is 'Murica, dadgummit! Do I have more 9s and 40s than other handgun calibers? Yea, but I'm not ditching any of my other babies. I've got more 223 rifles than any other rifle caliber, but they won't do the job of my 270 or 308. Everybody needs a Mosin. What kind of Tennessean doesn't have a few 12g pumps and autos scattered about? (The doublegun is next!) In general, I don't get in to hobbies to enjoy a specific, narrow portion of it. I go whole-hog. I've got Strats, Teles, Les Pauls, an SG, two Ibanez from the 70s, and a couple others in the mix. The only things keeping me from going deeper into each hobby are time and money... and skill, if I'm painfully honest. ;-)

Caps Lock!   Must be serious business...   :D

I'm like 173ABN, mostly 9mm/45ACP/5.56mm/7.62mm.   However....,   During each of the recent BHO Panics I had no problems finding and buying all the .38 Super & 10mm that I wanted at pre-panic prices.   So having a couple of cult-calibers can be a good fallback during those times of politically driven social activism.

I see real value in having at least one gun in all common calibers. For handguns that would include .357mag/.38spl, .44mag, 9mm, .40s&w, .45acp, and .380acp. .22lr for rim fire, 12ga and maybe 20ga shotguns, and for rifles probably 5.56, .308, 7.62x39, and for hunting rifles .30/30, .30-06, .243, .270.

I think that having multiple calibers to shoot at the range is half the fun. I really enjoy shooting less popular calibers and older firearms. I could see a benefit to keeping your personal defense weapons that you are going to practice frequently down to one caliber, but I don't think that I could consolidate my whole collection. Variety is the spice of life!

Parts of me are pretty round.

I like the idea and lab results of this round but I think I would like to see some field results from it. Maybe ship a few boxes to the Pershmerga

Folks.... There's a lot of baloney, hype, failure stories, invocation of "expert' opinions and test results, along with a healthy dose of fanboy stuff RE the smaller calibers on most every gun forum... The one thing i've always noticed in all of them is that there is no one who wants to volunteer to demonstrate the "failure" of "small caliber" handgun cartridges by offerin to be shot with one... I wonder why that is...?   I bet most any bullet works good in a 380 if it's loaded up a bit (...1000 fps or so...); and fired in a good, strong pistola by a competent shooter... Whatta ya think...?   observin leroy

Didn't watch the video but just looking at it makes me wonder if it could induce feeding issues.