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I believe Levi Strauss ranks right up with Ben & Jerry with respect to Second Amendment rights.

I vehemently disagree with every sentiment in this post.

  Sadly, it looks like the terrorists have already defeated you.   For free speech to be truly cherished, we must have a society where people feel safe to voice their views and opinions.  Don't like someone's view?  Then discuss it in a civilized, rational way. Or ignore it.  It is these terrorists that do not want you to have freedom..........freedom of anything.  They want to impose their views on you, or kill you if you won't accept them.  It is they that bring the mayhem onto the innocent bystanders, not the cartoonists.

This is my FREE SPEECH , I do not disagree with religion , only with MURDER.

The Lord is my Shepard, I shall not want   I pledge alliegence to the flag of the United States of America   Homosexuality is a wrong lifestyle choice   Jesus is the Christ, the Only begotten Son of God   All these are my free speech and someone, somewhere, will object to it. The crime is not the words or their meaning but the actions others choose to do in objection to them. You have the right to speak your mind, you have the right to be offended by others yelling "aloha snackbar" in a public place. The offense can be as simple as wearing white after Labor Day but as soon as you decide to harm another person because of something you don't like...you have crossed the line into criminality. I am highly offended by "artists" submerging Christian items in urine and calling it art....but their heads are not mine to remove.  I will not hide among others of like mind so as to not offend. I will not succomb to political correctness so others might feel good in their debauching and destructive behaviour. Wicked people are the source of wicked actions and must be stopped by people that have a moral backbone. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. I will not do nothing. We are being pushed into a decision, as our forefathers were pushed into one. My free speech is now "hate" speech to those that disagree yet my disagreement is also "hate" speech...

What bothers me is I wonder if at some point in the future they will determine the steel jackets of cheap combloc ammunition to be AP as well. Then we will really be screwed.   If every person who bought a case would send an email to their representatives as well as the ATF comment email this would get squashed. But now all the gougers are buying up the ammunition and praying it is banned so they can make a buck off of their fellow gun owners. It sickens me to no end to see supposed gun owners doing stuff like this to fellow gun owners.   There will not be a push back. If the Sig brace decision didn't do it nothing will. It will be the usual bitch and complain anonymously on the net by gun owners because they are too scared to put a name with an email. Way too many gun owners are paranoid and probably a bit delusional when it comes to voicing their opinion. A lot of gun owners think if they disagree with the government they will come kick the door in and kill their family. Anyone who thinks that will happen over an email probably should not be around guns.   BTW, this will not affect me in the least. My hand loads will still defeat body armor as well as, probably better than, M855.

Oooh, snow. A measly 3-5 inches? I'm hoping they underestimated it as well. But unless they call off work on monday, it's gonna suck heading into work with all the rest of the idiots out there that don't know how to drive, much less in the supposed snow.   I'm just glad I have a 4x4 and i'm always prepared for the cold weather. If work is called off( which I highly doubt that will happen), I'll be out in it either having fun or getting those unfortunate to get stuck, get un stuck.

I'm looking forward to it, I actually hope they under-estimated it!  :rock:

And as usual the gun community is going to sit around and bitch about it without even sending a single email or making a single phone call. Just think of how bad it will be is all you can get is the super expensive commercial ammunition.

You got "tactical mom jeans" Haha

  Yeah, high cholesterol intake does not necessarily equal high cholesterol blood levels, and even those levels seem to be more concerning as regards to LDL and triglycerides rather than total volume. And even saturated fat is looking to be much less of a culprit than always assumed, and maybe no culprit at all. And carbs are increasingly being admitted as the biggest determent. Science and even gummit recommendation is coming around on all that finally. The long standing recommended "food pyramid" is increasing proving to be the best way to shorten your life. :)   Basic deal with carbs is that our bodies aren't really optimized to use them, especially as major source of fuel. Remember, homo sapiens has been around about 200K years, and our bodies haven't significantly changed -- until less than 10K years ago with advent of agriculture, carbs were small % of the diet, and then only seasonal as gathering allowed.   Indeed, studies into folks with severe grain allergies has led to the idea that the normal body sees carbs as an invasion to a certain extent, and produces histamines in various levels in reaction. Which is why many folks with allergies who low carb find that their overall allergy responses improve -- by taking away the "background radiation" histamine level, the overall histamine level is less when other allergic agents are encountered, often low enough to trigger no real response at all. I found this out right away with my ragweed response from Labor Day to first frost for example.   As far as weight retention, carbs are notorious, as any excess not directly needed for conversion to glucose for energy is immediately stored as fat, while in the absence of excess carbs,  excess fats and  protein are largely excreted. And the claim that high protein intake damages the kidneys has been proven to be a myth too.   The body uses intake in the order of: alcohol, carbohydrates, fat, and protein. Good thing about the alcohol, or you'd be drunk for days instead of hours. You can see the alcohol being used first as really as  much defense mechanism as anything else, and to a certain extent at least, the preference for carbs first in the absence of alcohol, as if fat and protein were used first and if that intake were sufficient for energy level, every gram of carb consumed would store as body fat.   - OS

I like to comment on the over priced items "What's the non felon price on that?"  That usually gets them going.

lol you had someone offer you some jews?

I just joined.  This place is TOP NOTCH.   http://www.strategicedge.us/gun-range   https://www.facebook.com/pages/Strategic-Edge-Inc-Gun-Range/169737329873102?ref=br_tf   First and foremost, they are VERY safety oriented, as you'd expect most ranges to be.  Still, they go above and beyond here without being Nazis about it.  Kind of a "use your damn head and common sense" approach, but with rules very explicitly laid out.   - 1250 yard range with 1500 and 1700 yards on the way.  Cameras at some of the longer distances and TV monitors under the shed - State of the art timed/manual RANGE HOT/RANGE COLD system - Golf carts for your use - Use of chronographs, sandbags, shot clocks, spotting scopes, and other equipment that many shooters don't own but would like to use periodically available to use free of charge - Large selection of targets available for purchase.  The range provides staplers for you to use. - Three very nice pistol/short rifle pits that go back to 75 yards - Plenty of shooting benches - Large area for .22  LR - Really nice clubhouse/classroom with a bathroom and running water (aka not Portajons) - Automated Five Stand shotgun area ($10 per round of 25 clays) - Steel at various distances on the rifle range - Steel at the pistol pits (absolutely NO shooting of pistol steel with rifles, and no shooting steel with pistols closer than 10 yards) - Common firing line extends throughout the range - Very high berms between pits and very high backstops.  Each exceeds NRA standards for height (I'm surprised the bulldozers didn't flip over when they were being built) - Two low-light training lanes - Secure gate system - you get a unique code to both it and a another unique code to enter the clubhouse/office/classroom - Drink machine on site as well as fridges inside.  Snacks/water/Kuerig coffee available for purchase. - Ammo available for purchase - Well-groomed parking lot - Two archery ranges:  Static and 3D   I'm forgetting a few things, but I feel very fortunate to have this range an hour from my house.  I think you have to drive a few hundred miles to even get anywhere close to what Strategic Edge offers.   You can shoot anywhere on the range as soon as you sign up for membership and complete the safety orientation, except for the long-range rifle area.  In order to shoot past 500 yards, you must complete a 3.5 hour long-range rifle class that is free of charge.   Membership is $150 + $50 joining fee.  Those living more than 75 miles away are offered a $75 membership.  Membership renewal is done on July 1, and rates are pro-rated quarterly if you're joining   If you're looking for a place to shoot, you should join.  Even if you don't shoot often or even think you might be interested in long-distance shooting, I'd go ahead and sign up because membership will fill up, and then you'll be placed on a waiting list.  Those suck.    I've been a member at Gallatin Gun Club since 2006, and I'll keep that membership as well because it's half the distance from my house.  I'm mainly after a place to stretch my .300 Win Mag model 700 5R out a bit, and that's why I joined.   Check the range out.  You will not be disappointed.

All he did was tell them something every rational thinker already knows: LEOs are not always there to stop the boogie man.   http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/13/texas-sheriffs-stark-message-after-homeowner-fatally-shoots-would-be-intruder/

That is what I have lost so far and plan on being in the 150 range by my birthday in June.   Been eating ~700 calories a day and nearly zero carbs as well as limiting fats substantially. I can't exercise so it is diet only for me and seems to be working. I have also cut out all caffeine and any sort of processed foods. I cook fresh food for every meal.   After years of 230+ cholesterol and adding a few pounds a month it was time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFkKivO3Vtw&index=4&list=FLgfjDwt5qfxn464BQsw_cJQ

Yep, peanut butter flavor, takes after his Dad! Lol

I think that picture of your cousins' house is an example of why you never hear of people retiring to the north.

Heck yeah these are valuable! The'll go nicely with my Jean Luc Picard plate   *smashes buy now furiously*

As I understand it, the inner workings of the Colt designs are such that they are VERY labor intensive and even at $1k, they wouldn't be making money on them. Rugers are dead simple inside, and generally the Smiths are a happy medium between the two. In these days of MIM mass production and less skilled labor, the business case for the Python just isn't what it used to be.

Well after reading all of these replies and doing a little more research I went ahead and ordered a 20" 1 in 12" twist Green Mountain Rifle Barrel. Also went ahead and ordered everything else I needed for the build

  I'm not sure the info above is correct since I found the following info on page 15 from the PDF link in the OP.   These AR-type handguns were not commercially available when the armor piercing ammunition exemption was granted in 1986. To ensure consistency, upon final implementation of the sporting purpose framework outlined above, ATF must withdraw the exemptions for 5.56 mm “green tip” ammunition, including both the SS109 and M855 cartridges.

i wish you luck i havent gotten insurance and dont want too

If you plan to have kids try Williamson County. Prices are almost reasonable in Spring Hill but not as low as Fairview. 840 has cut back on the time it takes to get to many places.

I have........plenty. Just for bullsh#t reasons like this.

  analog.  Lee jeans. Sorry, that made me smile.

  Haha, same here.  Both so I can enjoy how people react, and because I think the kids deserve some fun in the winter, not just the cold temperatures.    Snow days were awesome for me growing up.  I remember waking up, going to the window and loving the sight of my yard being covered in snow.  After shoveling the sidewalk, and sometimes making a few bucks doing it for others, my friends and I would trudge to the park and play full tackle football since we had jackets for pads and snow for soft landings.

Excellent, the marlin 336 is the best looking 30-30 there is!   :cheers:

All of my Glocks seem to perform better with little to no lube. I have several that have shot many many rounds as proof. [emoji41]

I'm currently trying to make a horse drink on a Facebook page.  Guy buys a Wolf .40SW to 9mm conversion barrel and wants to know why his Glock is short cycling.  It's the spring.  He didn't change the spring weight so of course a 9mm isn't going to have the oomph to fully cycle the slide on a brand new Gen4 Glock 23 guide-rod.   Some other putz from Columbia, TN keeps telling him it's lack of lubrication.   Jumping Jesus on a pogo-stick... Glock's don't need a whole lot of lube.  Lubricating them at all is just being nice to them.  I've run my 19 to the point that all oil had long since burned off and what was left had mixed with so much dirt and grime that it was more abrasive than lubricative.  But this jackwagon still wants to argue that the guy needs to lube it and all of his problems will go away.   If you're that jackwagon and you're a member of TGO, please raise your hand so I can argue with you here too.   :bored:

She is one of the sheep. Sheep don't understand that cops cannot always protect them.

All the M855 stuff has been selling like crazy on the web over the last 12hrs .... Palmetto state has sold nearly 2000 cases .... I hate to start a panic but I guess buy some while you still can 

Even if it's a scare tactic the message is true. The police is not responsible for your safety or my safety. I think we can all agree on that.   Personally, I'd much rather have the Sheriff say this than tell us "there is no reason to go out and buy a gun." 

This is just for a upper. I'm sure whatever lower you put it on will affect its performance.

For me I am Anti levi Wrangles all the way. Still rember the day when their parent company supported peta demonstrations at IPRA events.

No .30-06 handgun that I know of aside from the single shots

    Patton said the M1 Garand was"the greatest battle implement ever devised".  

I hope none of you guys get to that $300 RG that shoots like a laser before I do!

 I went to these a few months ago and I like them but the material has a different look than regular bluejeans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jai_flUIC9Y

It would be great if there was a handbook of what you can and can’t do; but there isn’t because of words like “immediate” “great bodily harm” and the main one “a reasonable person”. All you need to do is to look at many of the cases we have discussed here or have been in the news. People that seemed to be defending themselves have gone to prison; people that committed murder have walked free. We can look at any one specific case and determine why it went to court and why the outcome was what it was. But you can’t really generalize. I have a plan for myself that I think will keep me out of court in all 50 states should I have the need to shoot someone. I also won’t get in an altercation while I am armed. If I do; I am willing to take an azz whipping before I pull a gun. If I get hurt; so be it, I shouldn’t have been being a dumbazz. If I am attacked without provocation; that’s a whole different story. Not only do you have responsibility to protect your family; you have a responsibility to stay out of prison and not leave them to fin for themselves because you either misjudged the situation or just did something ignorant. We live in times where people are rioting over criminals that were either attacking cops or pointing guns at them and being killed by the cops. If you are a HCP holder the dirtbags and liberals will come after you the same as they do with the cops. If you don’t believe that I hope you never have to find out.

Wow, nice finds.   The first guns I owned as a teenager were single barrel shotguns but the gun I mostly learned to shoot rifles with was my dad's Marlin (actually, Glenfield) lever 30-30.  I loved shooting it (partly because of the Lucas McCain vibe - I liked watching the old Rifleman reruns.)  To this day, I prefer levers to any, other type of rifle.  I inherited that Glenfield from dad and have since bought myself a Marlin in .44Mag and a Henry in .22LR.  I'd kind of like to have a lever in .357, too.  If I came across another 30-30 at the right price I just might pick it up just to have a 30-30 lever rifle that had no sentimental value.   Also, I have what is probably the 'descendant' of that .22 Mag.  Mine is a 925M (I'm guessing yours is a 25M.)  When I bought it (at Sportsman's Warehouse in Chattanooga) I went ahead and picked up an inexpensive Simmons .22 Mag scope for it and had the guys there install and laser zero it for me.  That package is more accurate than I am.

serving size is key...   We make a lot of currysoups..chicken or fish or salads.. cod fillet with  4 cups of water..curry ,cardamom, some greenery.{cabbage works well} and 1/4 of a cup of coconut milk. .buy some bottles of ponzu sauce for seasoning..red wine vinegar...Splenda or Monkey in the Raw sugar ..use it sparingly..no sodas at all..avpid sugar like the plague.. salads we use around 70 grams of lettuce and grilled chicken of the Foreman Grill..again..portion control is key...

Just don't buy a Tuxedo Godson, there will be an extremely cool TGO one offered here towards the end of the year 

Like Mac said, I'd go with the GP100 since you don't want a dedicated carry gun. something like this, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=465250390

I'm not surprised at all.    I think an even more interesting number would be " how many of those people with HCP actually carry on a regular basis?" Those numbers would be depressingly low.....   I'm going to guess that is 10% or less of the total number of permit holders that carry regularly.So it would be less than 10% of those "less than 20%" with a permit.  Most people out in the world, even in TN, and even in the "gun community",  really don't like carrying a gun around or making the lifestyle adjustments and sacrifices to be constantly armed. It is cumbersome to them, and deep down they really do not think anything will ever actually happen to them and that breeds complacency.   So what do they do? They get a permit, carry for 2 weeks, decide it is too much trouble and then after that they just  take a gun with them when they go on a trip, or if they have to go to a "bad part of town" but other than that it sits in the safe or the sock drawer at home. Even at my day job working for a firearms distributor where it is perfectly acceptable to carry, only about 30% of us actually carry at work.....so in a job filled with HARD CORE gun enthusiasts only 20% of THOSE people actually carry a gun on them regularly.   Take a look at people packing up and and leaving at the end of IDPA matches...I'd guess that 25-50% of those people (who by definition are HARD CORE gun enthusiasts) who are competing in a sport that is for practicing CONCEALED CARRY SKILLS do not actually carry on a regular basis. That is just reality. And I base that on watching people stow their guns in their trunk and take all their gear off before they leave the match. I have actually had a HIGH level shooter at a regional match see me replace my match gun (glock 34 with fiber optic front sight)  with my carry gun (glock 34 with tritium front sight) while getting ready to leave look at me curiously and  comment "You're one of those people that really carry a gun on them? " while he got in his truck to leave...... with no gun on.......   Just sayin'...it does not surprise me at all.

I don't think you will find a clear answer.  The most important issue in any self-defense situation is one of reasonableness.  The real question is: if you are acting in reasonable fear of death or significant bodily injury.  If having training plays a role in that is subjective.  More importantly, you have to think about each element of the italicized statement above.     Is your fear reasonable?  Could the person or persons you act against actually do you harm?  Have they made statements or committed acts demonstrating intent to harm?  Is your fear imminent?  As in now; not next week or tomorrow.  NOW.  If you have the ability to restrain someone without hurting them I think training could definitely come into play.  It is probably one of a number of factors such as your attacker's build, size, strength, any disparity of force issues (two against one perhaps) that could come into play.  I don't believe there is a different legal standard for a "trained" person v/s an "untrained" person.  If however, your level of training plays a role in shaping how "reasonable" or "unreasonable" your fears are, I think it could come into play.  The bigger question is usually, whether you acted in reasonable fear of death or significant bodily injury and whether you did anything to wrongfully provoke the attack yourself. 

This.   I have been through Fighting Rifle and Advanced Fighting Rifle.  Distances were not very long.  A 3-9x40 scope would not be a good fit for the class.  Use a red dot optic.  I used an Aimpoint T-1 and that worked extremely well.  Others in my class were running Eotechs or just using iron sights.