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It is a sad state that our society finds it more acceptable for someone to behave in an unsafe manner than a person who tells them to stop behaving in an unsafe manner. Folks wonder why there are so many people who act with zero regard for others. The reason is no one has ever told them they are wrong. Good people have no backbone nowadays, and the few that do are chastised for being hotheads; as if they are the problem. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  I'm in agreement with TMF's post and likely would have done the same thing as the OP.  Call me a hot-head if you want, but society has gotten to where it is because good people have been told not to turn the other cheek, but to cower in fear of society's turds, savages and primates.

A small suggestion: At the beginning of the engagement with the young menace, turn calmly to your spouse and say in a calm, firm. loud voice: "Honey, bring a Police Officer over here." That sets a clock ticking in the bully's mind that whatever he plans on doing will be shortly observed by the law, as well as by all the law abiding folks around you, and warns those around you that an incident is forming. It also gets your spouse out of the immediate vicinity. On your part, no shouting, no profanity, no verbal or physical violence. I personally wouldn't spend a lot of time restating what you previously said or get down to cases. "Anything I have to say to you can wait until the police officer arrives" is probably enough. The bully will realize that all those around the two of you are now witnesses to his next actions. If he has any sense, his physical bulk over you has been disarmed. If he has no sense, there will be plenty of witnesses that he was the aggressor, and probably one or two assistants if he needs to be restrained. When the Police Officer arrives, be the calm adult, stick to the facts, address the Police Officer as "Officer" and things will pretty much go your way. If the bully gets loud and physical, you win. If the bully pleads his case, the facts are on your side and you win.   I have applied this technique in a couple of other similar cases. On a shopping trip to a big box store, my wife let me out of the Cherokee in front of the store, as my 80 year old father was with us and I was getting his walker out of the tailgate. A Nazi-helmeted biker, roaring and racing through the parking lot, felt that he was cut off by my wife's maneuver, revved his engine loud in disapproval, earned a highly disapproving look from me, pulled up in front of the car and prepared to dismount his hog to exchange a few menacing words. There was a limit to what I could do as I was disadvantaged by the presence of my family and considerations for their safety. Though I was concealed carrying, there was no need to touch the pistol. All I said was, "You are about that far (thumb and forefinger pinch gesture) from having Law Enforcement called on you." Full leathered, mustachioed fat bellied biker dude with an attitude versus a law abiding citizen with his wife and aging father in a walker? It's a non-starter for him in the eyes of the Law. He had already lost. He cursed, gestured, and resumed his irresponsible ride.   By the way, while out and around with my wife and an incident begins to develop, I will tell her "Keep Walking" which is Code for "get away from here quickly, call the police immediately, and report everything that's happening."

I understand all the above viewpoints.  I truly do.  I also have come to realize that we are at this point in our cultural devolution because backbone is being bred out of us.  If you're a kid and a bully kicks you around any retaliation gets you kicked out of school, put in the legal system and on psych meds.   People no longer want to be involved in standing up for anyone - including themselves or family.  It's just not worth the hassle.  Give this one more generation, and we're unable to stand against, well, anything.   No, I don't want to be led off in cuffs to let a disinterested judge sort things out.  I don't have anger issues or go around looking for trouble.  But we need to question what living in a world where we're scared to interact with someone when there's something wrong for fear we'll "get in trouble."   Don't get me started on how some LE agencies and courts handle situations like the OP's story.

Wowser, that really delivered IMO!   That first scene at the killing trough was as freaking chilling as anything I've ever seen on the whole series!   - OS

I have been using the internet since 1992.  I had email before most people knew it existed, or could access it.  (Remember that, back when it was called "e-mail"?)  Before the World Wide Web even existed (I think).     From the beginning, I started reading one of the first gun forums, rec.guns, on Usenet.  I posted occasionally, but not all that much.  Then came, AR15.com, which has become such a behemoth that I rarely check it anymore.   Probably the most I have ever posted on any other gun forum was on 65grendel.com.  But adding up all the posts I have ever made on any and all internet forums in the last 22 years, they would not add up to anywhere near the amount of bandwidth I have used on tngunowners.com.   So, congratulations to TGO for being more worthwhile to me than any other internet resource and thanks to TGO for the same thing.   Sincerely,   Will

Direct sunlight will kill it. Kinda like Nancy Pelosi. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

We all know better but I got complacent and broke a bunch of my own rules on this one.  For the past 10 years my EDC has been a Glock or a 642, both of which are going to function flawlessly 99.999% of the time.  Fire it, carry it around, throw it in the dirt, carry it around, clean it bi annually and it should be good to go, no worries.  I bought a Taurus TCP a few months back from a close friend.  (Buying a Taurus, first rule broken, which I don't regret.)  I've been carrying this gun around for say 4 or 5 months and honestly have not had a chance to shoot it.  (Not shooting a gun before carrying, second broken rule.)  Since I have not fired the gun I haven't cleaned it at all.  (Third rule broken)  The gun has spent most of the summer bouncing around in my work truck which is a very dusty, and dirty environment.    So finally last weekend I fired the gun and found it to be a complete jam-o-matic.  So I took it home gave it a through cleaning and polished the slide and the feed ramp.  Took it out yesterday and she ran like butter!  We all know that pocket guns are finicky but I have to forget the Glock mentality and make it a point to clean this gun at least once a month for now on.  The gun is actually a pleasure to shoot, it has a wonderful trigger and I was hitting cans every shot at 10 yards, not bad for a pocket gun at all.  I believe that there is no perfect carry gun, each one has its pros and cons but I'm very happy with this one.  Just have to make sure that it stays clean.   So people, please, if you haven't fired or cleaned your carry piece lately, take the time to do so.  It may save your life.  

  Some would opine that high post counts on internet forums are a substitute for a real life. I wouldn't know, of course.   - OS

You need to ask yourself...do you really need the Walmart website this bad?  :D

Every time I help a new shooter they end up beating me!  I keep all my secrets tight to the vest now!       :rofl:  :yum:  :wave:

  this should be the standard answer when people ask how it is living in TN.   I always laugh when there is the thread about someone from Maryland or Pennsylvania or whereever thinking of moving to TN.  They ask how Murfreesboro is, or we are looking at Brentwood,  or thinking of buying property on Norris Lake or west Knox.   Then the answers come in about how great the place is and how much the new guy and his family would love it.   Why encourage people to come here?   LOL   My standard answer is that this place is awful and I am trying my best to figure a way to move out.

I understand and realize the best course of action would have been to mind my own business but....I'm done with minding my own business.  If you're acting a fool and being stupid and it is affecting me, I'm going to call you out on it.   I firmly believe that stupidity and foolishness is becoming so common place in society because society stands by idly and watches from the side lines.  Is it my place to do so, probably not.  I believe it's all of our place to do so.   Think of this.  You're at he the hockey game.  Fellow spectator is yelling and screaming profanities at every play and person he sees.  You can tell everyone is annoyed to no end.  Security isn't doing anything about it.  So one guy in the crowd stands up and tells this guy to tone it down and keep it civil.  Everyone cheers this guy for doing so because he just did what everyone else was wanting to do but didn't have the guts to do.     If no one stands up to idiots when they are doing something that is detrimental to others around them, then who will?  The cops?  No offense but how reliable are they and where are they when you truly need one.  Society needs to police its own when it's something that can be handled without police intervention.  So many people rely on the cops to save them when all they need to do is start standing up for what they know is right.     Idiots prevail because good men no longer call them stupid.

Carol is a badass

Anyone dead set on coming to my house unannounced better be better armed than me. The first reported case in Tennessee means anyone who comes a knocking is infected in my mind. Not going to take a chance on getting sick just to be nice. No one will be coming in my house. And trust me when I say I would prefer not to litter my lawn with contaminated blood either.

Ive waited for this day for many months!

Another way to look at it...   A gun, a sledge hammer, a knife, a car is a tool and never hurt anyone without an outside force acting upon them. When a careless person operates them with abandon they are deadly weapons that will maim and kill. What's the difference between an errant bullet and an errant driver? One might be 230 grains and the other two tons and more. What's the difference between 230 grains and two tons just missing you in a parking lot as far as your health and welfare go? They are both a deadly force.   If that 230 grain projectile carelessly passes you are you going to yell slow down partner or get out of the way and call the cops. What about the two ton projectile? It's my experience you can't reason, determine intent or change the behavior of either.   Just sayen...

Yep. I would have yelled at the idiot too. When her boy asked me if I called her a bitch, I would have said... No. Why, is she one? I'm not a very big person, but I won't be intimidated by some mindless punk. Turn the tables on them and they'll back off.

I know you want to hear that you would be justified in protecting yourself, and if that were the case you would be. However, when I responded to these types of situations I needed to determine was this mutual combat or an attack. To do that I had to talk with both people involved and the witnesses. What would the witnesses have seen? You throwing the first punch? Your situation is like a rage road incident; two willing participants. Chances are good one or both of you would have been arrested, had you pulled a gun or some other type weapon you almost certainly would have been arrested. You would have then let you attorney make your case to the DA or in court. At a high school football game or a Hockey game Police actions will be swift to remove the drama. There won’t be a lot of standing around and interviewing people unless a weapon is pulled or someone is seriously injured. I would have ignored him and walked away. If he attacked me I would have had to deal with that.   You have a responsibility to take care of your family. Going to jail or spending your family’s money on lawyers is not in the best interest of the people who depend on you.

I saw one like that one time in my backyard. It was crawling across my shoulder. I ran into a tree and was out cold for about 5 minutes...... :stare:

I think letting someone know they're driving too fast is the right thing to do. While they may be one of those types that are always in a hurry, it was in a parking lot with people walking through it. What if you didn't say anything and next thing you know this clown hits a kid walking through. Some people just want trouble, no matter how idiotic it is. I think your actions were spot on, even if the kid made the move, you had an effective plan which might have ended the situation. Life lessons come by for some the hard way, his buddy might have rethought his next move as soon as the big guy was down. Glad it turned out with no violence!

My all time favorite bumper sticker: "Welcome to the South, now go home."

They disrespect the South, make fun of us, call us names......until they need soldiers to fight their wars.

My widget factory is discontinuing all models of widgets except one and discounting the price on the "discontinued" models.    Was it a strategic business decision to reduce overhead due to poor sales volume on the other widgets or was it just a brilliant marketing ploy to sell more total widgets? Will I actually discontinue the other widgets or is is just a fire sale of sorts because I overpriced certain models of the widgets and they did not sell well enough and I need to boost sales?

Ok, here's the story.   Friday night high school football game, son is in the band.  The family comes to watch him perform.   The wife, daughter (<2 years old) and me arrive late because of work schedule.  The parking lot is packed and we park, gather our things and proceed through the parking lot to the stadium.  Obviously, I have secured my usual choice of defense and went with the trusty fists and flashlight.     While walking through the dimly lit parking lot a car approaches us at an alarmingly high rate of speed (easily close to if not more than 30 mph) for a congested area.  The wife grabs the daughter, I'm trying to get my flashlight out of my pocket to let said car know we are there but my hands are full of cameras and diaper bags.  As she passes us, I loudly state "slow down" as I notice her window was down.  She yells at me to "watch my mouth!" (??)  So I reply much more loudly and much more sternly "SLOW DOWN!!"  She continues to speed off and yell something back I can't understand.  Three other people witness this all and comment on her being an idiot for going that fast in a school parking lot.   The family and I arrive at the gate and pay to go inside and as soon as I turn away from the table with the tickets, there is a slightly taller and much more bulkier kid (?) standing almost on top of me.  I stop and look at him as he asks in a slow, menacing tone "did you just yell at someone in the parking lot?".  Immediately I go into condition red and size this fellow up.  I assumed battle stance and cleared my right arm and reply "yes".  He asks "did you call her a bit*h?".  By now I'm ready to throat punch this cat and drop him as hard and fast as I can because he had a friend behind him and my family was behind me.  I reply to him and say "no, I told her to slow down, she was going way to fast around all these people through the parking lot".  He says "you didn't call her a bit*h?"  I said "no, I told her to slow down".  I'm thinking at this point that this is going to go hands on and I'm ready to ruin this kids voice and he starts to walk away and says "better not have".     So, situation diverted.  Question number one.  If he was going to go to the next, obvious step and I read his cues and used force first, fast and thoroughly, would I be in trouble?  I decided long ago that if ever faced with a problem such as this, I was going all in, all at once and not going to wait for someone else to wound me or use violence on me first specially when he has back up.  I was fearing for myself and my family at that very second and as long as I am breathing I was not going to allow anyone to get near them.   Who ever was in that car must have called this kid (?) and he was waiting for me, which would mean premeditated action to confront me on his part.  I was also wearing a pretty loud shirt that was easily recognizable.  So I was easy to find.   Also, being school grounds I was rosco-less but I might have or might not have had access to an alternative means of protection.  Would I also be in trouble if this went down and he and his friend bested me first and I was to deploy said means, if I had or had not had access to?   Sorry for writing a book, but this really got me thinking.  I spend so much time learning, training and researching situations involving firearms, that I was not prepared for a hands on situation in the ONLY possible place and time I would be without my firearm, a school.   The only thing I was mentally prepared to do was be the first to lay hands and not stop until he was out of commission.  I'm not sure that would have been enough, or if that would have been a good thing at all.    

to hope that most people will believe this tripe? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/07/why-the-south-is-the-worst-place-to-live-in-the-u-s-in-10-charts/?tid=pm_business_pop i use to want to correct the misconceptions of the south from people who did not know any better. this article would have made my blood boil. these days i find myself hoping more will continue in their ignorance and stay away from the south. today, this article makes me smile. is that attitude wrong?

Hah. Acrophobia. Fear of heights. Not arachnophobia....spiders don't bother me, but standing in a chair to change a lightbulb kinda freaks me out a little.

The fund me just passed $20k in barely 3 days! :w00t:

  I was afraid she was gonna get snuffed somewhere along the way after saving them, the ole "no good deed goes unpunished" thang.   - OS

One of my favorite episodes so far!

Rugerla and I spent the afternoon walking over some property I have hunting rights to. I found out that I've got a good bit of work to do between this season and next season because out of 110 acres we can only realistically hunt about 40 of it. It's not so thick that you cant walk through it but with no trails it would be next to impossible to get any deeper without announcing to every deer with 5 miles that you were walking through there. We did find at lest 3 good areas to hunt with 2 of those being along a nice creek bottom. The places hasn't been hunted in more than 15yrs (unless someone was trespassing) and the owner probably only steps foot on the property 5 times per year so if there is such a thing as a low pressure zone this is it. Here's the one picture that I actually remembered to take, [URL=http://s303.photobucket.com/user/lukeduke_03/media/Mobile%20Uploads/046182F6-15F2-4277-9E50-F0F442C69945.jpg.html][/URL]

I read a lot more than I post, but I really enjoy TGO. it's a great site.

Lol. Will let you know how I progress. I'm a first year bow hunter for deer and suffer from acrophobia so stands are out unless they are ladders. No opportunity to put a ladder on this property so I'm brushing in and trying not to smell the place up. But I've seen deer. Just no shots yet. This ground hunting with a bow ain't as easy as turkeys. Butchering syntax with Tapatalk

I witnessed almost that exact thing happen once. Reckless car startles black pedestrian, pedestrian shouts something, car stops, white guy the size of an NFL linebacker climbs out of car, startled pedestrian almost laid an egg when he saw the size of this guy. I caught up with the pedestrian, asked if he was okay, he turned to me pale as a ghost and says, damn that was close. I said yeah, he almost ran over you. He laughed nervously and said, that might have been better for my health than the alternative.

And imagine the innovation that will come when anyone can experiment with silencer designs. We are using technology that hasn't changed in over 100 years.

Yeah I agree, I put him back outside though. Didn't feel like he needed to be in the kitchen...

http://www.soldusa.com/rainworx/detail.asp?id=33389 Sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

What else can u say???

1 - shouting at or verbally arguing with a reckless driver isn't going to change their behavior one bit. Might make you feel better but it can only lead to trouble. If the situation was truly dangerous and you or others narrowly escaped serious harm, you should have just called the police. And especially because there's always some police present at every high school football game. 2 - squaring off and proceeding to verbally argue or debate with one or more adversarial strangers, kids or otherwise, is just as wrong and pointless as #1. You just ignore them and walk away, avoiding the altercation, and only escalate to self defense if you are pursued to the point of having no practical way out or if the pursuers place you or your loved ones in fear of imminent bodily harm or death. If it were me I would have shook my head silently at the unsafe driver, saying nothing, or at most reporting it to local police or security. And if confronted by someone later I'd just dismiss them as unimportant and walk away. Life's too short and my desire to enjoy the game safely with my family and avoid any physical or legal trouble would far outweigh any desire to confront or scold bad drivers and overzealous defenders. Probably not what you wanted to hear but that's my $0.02.

We certainly have our problems down here but if it keeps the damnyankees out then they can publish all the garbage they want.

Put $40 a month in an envelope for the next 6 months. Done!

If you want to read about what a fine man Gaston is, I recommend reading this: [URL=http://s963.photobucket.com/user/runco0318/media/glock_zpsc2a7fd4b.jpg.html][/URL] BTW fine is very sarcastic.

I'm standing in line this morning watching the fat girl with 3 kids scan the buggy full of meat, red bull, and soda pop when I get a call from my accountant. I always wind up extending because the banks I work for typically do not get their 1099's to me early. So my accountant asks what I'm doing and I tell her grocery shopping, She says to pick up some petroleum jelly because my taxes are ready. Then the fat girl swipes her EBT card to pay for her groceries. $629.66. I'm happy.  

  You built the Spud Magnum! I wish you had a picture. Yep, we decided early on that a potato might just disintegrate when we got the muzzle velocity up where it needed to be. So, the next most likely projectile was a tennis ball.   EDIT: BTW, we also planned to use acetylene and oxygen as the propellant!

Congrats!  TGO sure is a time cruncher for me, and an addiction.

Yes, it is a gut-wrenching title. But more people need to read it. From the historical standpoint, as well as for a little foretaste of "future history." Why? Because Bloomberg says it's so.

:surrender: http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/nationalguard.asp

The life prolonging thing is my main motivator. I inherited high blood pressure, and diet has little effect on it. The only way to keep it down to a manageable level without medication is exercise. I like my coffee and beer, so no exercise also means no coffee or beer. That is a problem for me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If you are going to cast I would look at powder coating the bullets. Makes the alloy less critical. Powder coated bullets run cleaner than plain cast or jacketed. You can push them as hard as jacketed in most calibers, definitely in 357 magnum, and the best part is you can color coordinate your bullets to what you are wearing that day.