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I was headed thru Mt Juliet today and was stopped by one of their officers. I had hands on the the wheel and window down when he approached. First thing I noticed was he was smiling. He asked how I was doing and if I knew why he pulled me over. I was stopped at a light, so had no idea. He explained that I had a brake light out. Once he asked for my id, I did as I always do. I let him know I was armed and asked how he'd like to proceed. He smiled more and said no worries, just grab your DL for me. Once he came back to me (I'm assuming after a standard warrant check ect) he said armed, good citizens like you are what this country needs. We then had a brief chat about guns and the like. He even offered to check the blinkers just in case so I could grab any other bulbs I may need after I told him I'd stop at the parts house on the way home. I also asked him if his job was different after the July 1 law change. His outlook was simple: he said (as other LEO's here have) that he has to assume everyone is armed. His concern was that he foresees more car break ins with bad guys looking for guns. Kinda makes me reconsider a lock box/safe for my truck gun now. Nothing other than a good experience all around. Not sure if it was not getting the ticket, or having a very positive interaction, but it made my day. It was clear he liked his job and is here to serve the community.

As an officer I actually feel relieved when someone informs me of a HCP and them handing it over. I just assume there is a firearm in every vehicle and those that have a HCP are a lot less of a worry to me. I can not think of a single traffic stop where I have given a citation to someone who has voluntarily handed over a HCP.

This is a case of getting all the justice you can afford. The Judge that denied her pre-trial diversion is the same Judge that approved it for Ray Rice after he knocked his wife unconscious and dragged her into an elevator; he was charged with aggravated assault. Let’s review… no intent, no violence= no pretrial diversion; Intent, violence= pretrial diversion. So what’s the difference? Money. I’m sure the Baltimore Ravens could afford a better attorney. The entire black community is up in arms and protesting because a cop shot a criminal that had just robbed a store and assaulted the owner, while this poor woman is being railroaded by the system. Our society is truly is bad shape.

  Law is neutral on the matter, but clearly states that Glocks suck carried with either method. :hiding:   - OS

I actually don't have a problem with all felony convictions resulting in forfeiture of your 2A rights. Felons are criminals, and criminals should have to pay a steep price for their crimes, thus normally honest folks that are occasionally tempted to cross the line for seemingly innocent reasons might think twice before doing so. Teens and drug use are a great example. I have mentored several teens that were busted on possession charges which they (and unfortunately some parents and our president) felt were no big deal, but when I explained how one felony conviction after age 18 would disqualify them from ever owning guns, they were quickly motivated to dump the drugs and they have been clean ever since. They are now accomplished shooters, honor students, and always test clean. What I do have a problem with is a few truly minor crimes being classified as felonies, which needs to be fixed. And if you are forced to forfeit your guns due to a conviction, the law should not be allowed to confiscate or keep your property, you should be allowed to sell, gift, transfer, or donate it within a reasonable time so that your financial investment is not stolen or squandered. Only time you should lose the property is if you acquired it via illegal methods such as theft or use of drug money to buy it.

Hunkering down in my store with a bunch of rifles and ammo, armor, and night vision.   They may get the booze, but by God they're gonna earn it.  :devil:

Pretty sure I'd rather put my wiener in a blender full of rock salt than force my family to move there! But I've been known to exaggerate lol.

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In case you don't have a current copy, here's your Wally Walk map.

If you read the law closely, you'll find that it is now your duty to strap on a pistol and immediatly proceed to the nearest Wal Mart for your inaugural "WallyWorld Walk". :up:

  Damn the wind. My 800 yard rifles are AR's. Just keep mashing the switch until you see the pink mist in the scope. :)

As of today per the op question; GTFO ....

Pleaae note that the guns are prohibited due to the INDICTMENT, not a conviction. Certainly ripe for potential abuse since its not too hard to get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich

I cannot say it seems it has made much difference to me receiving tickets.

Name one gun law that is actually constitutional. I don't mean its upheld by the liberal courts, but actually adheres to the wording of the second amendment. "shall not be infringed".

HCP arrived in the mail today!  Took the class/range on 8/2, DMV paperwork on 8/4, fingerprints on 8/5, and the permit arrived on 8/18.  Want to get some more range time in soon.   Carrying comes with an awesome responsibility to only use the weapon in your defense when you are in immediate danger of severe injury or lost of life.  Jim  

After taking the first level handgun training in Jan '13 and the "RELOAD" class to refresh those skills again this past July, I took the level 2 training today to help increase the tools that I have to be a responsible and competent gun owner. The class started with the usual introductions and pleasantries. We briefly worked the basic draw and fire skills that we learned in the level 1 class to help get us "warmed up" for today's training. We also worked the basic tap/rack drills using dummy rounds to simulate fail to fires. We then transitioned into the new skills we would be introduced to in the class. We started off with a drill to utilize shooting with our normal strong side supported grip. We then moved to shooting with just our strong hand/unsupported. We were then taught to safely shift our grip from strong side to weak and continue the drill shooting weak side supported/unsupported. We practiced this skill at the distance of 4 yards on 3 inch circle targets. The instructor advised that as we became more proficient with our marksmanship at this distance to gradually increase distance to provide a further challenge. The next drill we performed was shooting from multiple unconventional positions such as kneeling behind cover, sitting, on our backs and on each side. We also performed these drills using various grips with our strong/weak sides and supported/unsupported. These provided a little insight into how you would implement a firearm for defense if you were unable to use a normal, standing stance. We moved on from there to a drill that required us to shoot and move in tandem. The instructor stood behind us during our string of fire and provided a little stress to confuse and get our adrenaline working (yelling in our ears, shaking and pulling on us as a distraction) as we moved forward/backward and from side to side. This was one of the more challenging drills as it forced me to make better shot choices to stay on target. Our class size was rather small so the drills went quickly. We voted as a class to repeat the first drill to practice our marksmanship utilizing strong/weak sides both supported and unsupported since we were moving ahead of schedule. The last drill was the most eye opening for me personally. We were asked to leave the range and the instructor and the range safety officer taped the window to obscure our view for the final drill as we each had to individually perform the drill sans audience. When my turn came I was taken inside and had my firearm holstered by the instructor. Part of the setup for this drill was that we were told our firearm would be pre loaded by the instructor based on their evaluation of our performance during class and we were also told that only one mag would be needed. I was then told to stand in a taped square facing 2 targets about 3 yards away. The instructor told me that I could not step outside of the square and had 10 seconds to put 2 rounds into each target. This seemed a little "easy", but ok I thought to myself. I was then asked who the most important people in my life were and I said my wife and 2 boys. The instructor told me to imagine those 2 targets were about to rape my wife and kill my kids. I have this all setup in my mind and am waiting for the word to draw and fire. When that word came I pulled my gun and pulled the trigger....(edited to remove the spoiler that I was too dopey to not include initially....take the class and you will find out the ending) The point of this post is that if you aren't getting training, you need it. No matter how much you've grown up around guns or gone to the range to shoot. It doesn't even matter if you have thousands of hours of training, you are always able to learn more and tweak the skills that you might one day need to stay alive or keep someone else alive.

105 people no longer employed at the NY facility.  They new it was coming.  Maybe they can move to Alabama and get their jobs back.   http://www.uticaod.com/article/20140818/NEWS/140819513

I'm very surprised that armed citizens are killing these idiots. I can't imagine leaving my home or business to be looted by the mob. I'd stay and fire on whoever tried to force entry into my property. Seems like all the good people of this town just fled and hoped the cops would watch their stuff?

Their range is one notch above gun city.its a good place to go to test fire and hit paper at close range. In the summer I used to see a younger crowd where guys would bring scantily clad girls in to shoot Taurus 40's and bushmasters for the first time. Fun to watch. The guns weren't the best bargain but the owners are nice,the range is convenient and serves purpose.

I had a similar but unrelated gun type situation a couple of months ago hearer is Bartlett.   I had pulled up behind another guy at a stop sign. He had pulled almost half way out into the  first lane of a 3 lane road. He waited on a a few cars to go by the pulled out. I was already at the  stop sign so I didn't have to pull up. I just looked both ways and pulled out. Well, a quarter mile down the road this cop comes up behind me and pulls me over.  I asked what the problem was and he said I never stopped at the stop sign. I told him that I had sat at the stop sign for like 20-30  seconds waiting for the guy that was stuck out in the road to pull out and away. He then said he actually couldn't see me at the sign but that I had pulled out so close behind the other guy that it appeared I didn't have time to stop. He went on to say since he hadn't seen it there was nothing he would do. He suggested I wait a bit longer before pulling out and bid me to go on my way. I didn;t have the heart to tell him if he wants to  catch people not stopping to park in a place where he could see it happen. However, I think he learned from that.   It's refreshing to see a young, honest cop that  actually cares about doing his job the right way. Congrats to him.   Lp 

I was there from 1981 to 1983 (Ft. Dix), I would never go back!

Congrats on your HCP! Everyone seems to be nervous at first but get use to it after a little while. Stay calm and carry on!

Maybe they can get a job involving fries and soda....no, wait...Bloomie don't like that, either.

Quick update on the LCP and Glock 19.  Took them both to the range for a follow-up session this past Friday, making sure to pay special attention to my grip, etc.  Long story short, the problem with the LCP apparently was limited to one particular magazine.  Had my friend at the range look at it, and he thinks the tension was too weak.  Took the mag apart and stretched the spring.  We'll see if that takes care of the problem.  I'm just glad it's not the gun - a mag I can live with.   The problem with the G19 appears to be mostly connected to the 115 grain ammo.  I also shot some 147 grain reloads my father-in-law gave me, as well as some 147 grain Hornady Critical Defense, and they all did fine.  The 115 grain PMC?  Most of it still ejected straight back in my direction.  I can live with that, I suppose, because if I ever need it in a self-defense situation, it'll be loaded with the HCD.  Still kinda miffed, though, that a gun as "hyped" as the G19 can't adequately deal with whatever ammo I feed it, regardless of weight.  Oh well, it is what it is.  At least it has been 100% reliable -- no FTF's or FTE's.   Thanks again for all the advice!

Latest calls Pappa Johns, Oreiles, and Liquor store are being looted  ( Just overheard AL SHarpton whining about pizza and beer) Rioters attacking a security guard off chambers ( they just want his badge) Looting at California nails ( gotta look good doing the harlem shake!) Approx 500-700 subjects at QT moving north ( smokes are gone and stores gas tank is empty) Larency in progress at Pappa Johns - they are looting the store ( who the #### wants raw pizza? cmon) All available cars expedite to the command post ( barbecue has arrived from hog heaven in st louis) Fall back and do not engage the crowd( dont let history repeat itself) Shots fired at Capitol and W Florrisant ( juvenile seen inserting firecrackers into cats anus) Large armed group walking east on chambers near halls ferry ( blazing saddles is playing at local theatre) 100 people fighting with shots fired at Dellwood Market ( monday night raw in st louis was pre empted fans hold own match) Boost mobile looted( trades ins only were stolen) Protesters are shooting fireworks into and at homes along chambers( kids fighting w roman caNDLES)      THIS CAN ALL BE EXPLAINED!  Accident involving a bus, occupants fighting, shots fired ( yes small short bus) 1008 Chambers Hill - Report of black male shooting into the crowd ( ramadan celebration) 6 shots at 10.45 fired approximately Green Valley and Bella Clair, off Chambers Rd. ( ramadan celebration) Police radio: We just took fire on West Florissant  (brevity code for bubba just took some ribs off the grill) Dellwood market is on Fire ( ever since the cashiers started going topless on thursday) Hospital is requesting more officers ( obama care needs enforcement)

It is under the Federal Bail Reform Act (18 U.S.C. 3142(c)(1)( B)(viii)).  When you are under an indictment, there are all kinds of rights that are "surrendered."  Passport, travel outside certain areas, curfews, periodic reporting to the court, etc.  In many cases, you have to pay just to stay out of jail.     NOTE:  The citation will not show properly in this forum (the emoticon is NOT a proper citation)!! :pleased:

The $80 per phone monthly bill is what's wrong with them lol

  You will get used to it, after awhile you will feel abnormal if you don't have it on you in some places. As far as adjusting your shirt or holster, I do that in lines at the grocery store or Walmart etc. and don't care if anyone sees it for a moment.

  This is my experience. I've had a few instances where the deputy didn't even run my license/HCP... He just looked at it and asked me to slow down. All done in 90 seconds.   I always disclose the HCP and that I'm carrying. For me, I see nothing to gain from remaining silent on the matter.

Thanks for the suggestions. My brother and I went to honky tonk central and wild horse saloon Saturday night. Sunday we went to the mall and ate at Jacks BBQ downtown before we left to come home.

Some people bite everytime. Some fresh us vs them prior to the elections

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Batman here's the live feed close up on the action now   http://new.livestream.com/timcast/events/3295551

Here is my problem...   PA has no class requirements.  She was able to buy a gun and get a permit without any requirements to know the law.  She only had the gun for a week when this happened... She assumed her permit was valid everywhere... They should cut her a break, but there are many evil people in this world, and many are in government.   Does she have some fault for being ignorant?  Yes... should she go to prison for several years, and be a felon for the rest of her life?  NO!

  They don't find out about all the armed people who don't have permits, though, so that's rather moot at this point I think.   - OS

Fact is, she was at fault.  As gun owners, we have to take responsibility for our actions.  I don't care if they have dumb laws, when I am there, I will abide by them or go in knowing the consequences.  To me, this is just an ignorant (in the literal sense of the word) gun owner that has to learn a lesson the hard way.  Maybe some others will learn from this also.   And no, not moving to Jersey (although there are some very nice areas).

[quote name="McGarrett" post="1180161" timestamp="1408164207"]I guess I've missed all his posts. I seem to have missed most all the antics that are getting people banned, but I do have kale in my garden and have ramen noodles in the cupboard.[/quote] That's funny, we have Kale in the chat.

Let me see if I can keep this timeline straight and sensible for y'all to understand the scene:   At about 10 pm tonight, my daughter is in our bedroom watching tv. My wife and I are in the living room, she is on the couch and I am in the recliner. We were kind of watching tv in between me on the laptop, and her playing with the dogs. All of a sudden two LOUD bangs on the front door which is between us and no more than 8 feet away from either of us. I looked at her, she looked at me, and without hesitation she jumped up, ran to the bedroom and got my daughter in the closet where she keeps her pistol and got it out. She stayed put, and during that I had jumped straight up, left hand pulled my shirt up and right hand pulled the Glock out and I stepped 6 feet off sides of the door aiming at chest high. All of this took place in a matter of 5-10 seconds I guess. I noticed something bright through the front blinds as I screamed "WHO IS IT!?" 3 or more times and when nobody answered I knew it wasn't the police. I also am sure they would have announce themselves immediately after banging. I noticed that the bright light was flashing, so next thought process went to Police are outside, after a bad guy, he may have tried to break the door down. (My adrenaline is pumping again while typing this) After maybe 45 seconds to a minute went by with no response the light stopped. I hollered to my wife to stay put, with my flashlight in hand I went to the door thinking maybe the curly cue light bulb exploded and the sound wasn't as loud as we'd imagined? When I opened the door with my left foot against the bottom in case anyone tried to shove their way in, I opened the door a couple of inches and the light was still working but I smelled smoke. I shut the door to think for a second because it all didn't make sense? I opened it again and scanned the yard with the flashlight still on high alert, when I didn't see anyone I stepped outside and noticed the bottom of our threshhold was burning. My neighbor came running across the road and asked what happened. I said "I was getting ready to ask you if you knew?". He saw the "strobe" inside his house on the wall. I don't know who it was, assuming kids, but someone had put a strobe firework (I guess) at the bottom of the door and banged before running off, never heard a vehicle. Strangely enough, I have the brightest porch light on the block and it's wide open for anyone to see the whole porch at night. I wouldn't think it would be prime target for a joke, usually a dark one so they can be hidden. It burnt through to the wood but could have caught more of the vinyl on fire and done a lot more damage, so we're glad it didn't. Several things ran through my head while outside staring at it. My wife, daughter, and I are constantly letting one of our 4 dogs outside usually up till 11 or 12 at night. They caught the opportunity in between those times that a dog would have been barking like crazy to alert us. But also on that point, what if one of us had opened the door at the time they were coming up? What would I have done if I'd opened the door and someone is standing there at night time with something lit in their hand? Well, I damn sure wouldn't have thought they were there to say hi! Could have been a very bad day for someone playing a prank!  Anyone who knows me, knows how I am with security, and protecting my family, so it's nobody I know. I don't play like that with them, and they don't with me. I called the cops just to let them know what happened and they said they were going to send an officer out even though I didn't ask them to do that. I just wanted to make them aware in case it happened elsewhere in the neighborhood before a kid got shot over a prank. They thanked me for letting them know. After all of that I sat down and talked with my wife and daughter. I told them I was very proud of what they did. I could sit here and make up practice scenarios all day long, but that was real life training to see if everyone knew what to do. I've talked with them about it enough, I guess it stuck in their heads and there was no time for discussion, they just did it. Do I have to tell y'all how good that made me feel that they immediately went to the safe spot and my wife armed herself till she heard from me?  I am NOT happy this happened because of how it could have turned out, but suppose it had been someone there to bust in? I'm glad my wife and daughter knew what to do without me having to say anything because all I was concentrating on was holding my sights on the door because I had no idea what was happening. My daughter even asked me afterwards "Daddy, what if they knocked so we would open the door and then throw it at us?". She's right. It may have been. It was a heart pumping experience, but practice that they will never forget, nor will I. They both want to go practice shooting more now, even though this time it wasn't needed and didn't happen Thank God!   Just thought I'd share our experience.

Wow, I bet that did get your heart pounding. Sounds like you and your family have a great plan in place. So glad it turned out well, and great job! @ TheDrip, I know exactly what you're talking about with the in-laws. Mine will just walk right on in without knocking, too! What's that all about? I have warned that they shouldn't do that multiple times, but it doesn't seem to register. They have a key and will unlock the door. It happened again recently, so it's time for another talk. The problem is now I'm concerned that their walking in on me so often is starting to desensitize me to any real event. Maybe I'll just change the locks.

Glad everybody is ok

That's wild. Glad you guys are alright!!

I don't live around rioting/looting type people.

... There were riots in Chattanooga in the 1960's and on July 24, 1980... Ask your neighbors if it affected them...? In 1969 there wuz a fellow by the name of Martin Luther King that wuz shot in Memphis... It's easy to read about that one...  This black unrest thing aint new, just another round of foolish people burnin and lootin the property of others under the name of "justice for the black man"; lead around by the same bunch of race baitin demigogues that are makin a big bucks by doin so; and aided and abetted by even rattier polititians who exploit any  tragedy to further their political ambitions...   There was a riot in knoxville in 1925 over the arrest of a noted black guy about town... The black community banded together to demand his release which resulted in the calling out of the Tennessee National Guard... The rest is bad... Several days of martial law and lots of shooting...   By the way, my dad and grandad told me about this one... They were bringing a wagon load of produce to Knoxville the mornin of the martial law declaration... They were turned back at the gay street bridge over the tennessee river and could hear the shooting then...   These riots aint new and they aint goin away until everybody (...black and white...) gets smart enough not to think they are not the only ones that dont get a fair shake.... Remember the great quote from Booker T. Washington:  

How did I determine dominance? I used to several methods. The first was focus on a object with both eyes open. Place my finger in front of the object similar to a front sight post. Close my right eye and my finger is no longer in light with the object. Switch eyes to right open and the object moves back into alignment. I also focused on an object across the room. Put my hands up in the triangle. I brought the triangle back to my face while keeping the object in the center. When I got close enough to my face I closed my right eye and found my felt was complete obscured by my hand. Opened the right eye and the object was visible. I will add that I tried to aim left eye dominant and just as my left kicked in for my right eye, my right kicked in on my left.

Youse guys are always quite the hoot!   Yeah, just a bit North, like 3 x 22! Could be they were worried I was gonna drop dead in their store any minute, I guess, so gave me extra attention. ;) Thing is, I look fairly rough out on these treks, crumpled shorts/shirt, half the time couple days beard, backpack, plus all sweaty in the summer. Was taken for a street person by a cop the time I found the stiff and reported it, for example. All the more amazing how nice they're trained to be there at the new Wally, seems to me.   Lordie, I don't range that far, and my base is near West High.  I've got about a 5 mile radius, 10 mile round trip cap.   This was just one of my YMCA treks, 8 mile round trip, generally do that couple times a week plus a few more miles on closer errands here and there. 3.5 mph on way there / 2.9 mph on way back. :) "Wizened codger" is accurate enough, but still ambulatory, knock on wood.   I have two quite understanding ex-wives, no worry there. :dirty:   And actually, the Y is one of the better places to ogle the female form, quite the head start what with the minimal clothing thing. :stunned:   - OS

They will never admit that because then the next question is "at what point has it become tyrannical"?....................and the next question is "At what point has the tyranny risen to the level that resistance is called for"?  Those are some very sobering questions for a national political discourse...so there is NO WAY they will EVER admit that. 

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#4. I'd really like more of a subdued, less billboardy look on this bad boy.

I haven't been too impressed with Remington since it was sold off to the Cerebus Investment Company. I purchased a nice laminate stock M700 in 270 and could not get it to group worth anything with three different high end scopes, open sights, and multiple brands/weights of ammo. My chepo Ruger American shot circles around it without even trying hard.    I had a 70's era built 700 in 270 years ago and it shot like a dream, I don't know what changed in their quality. I do know if you search gunbroker and other auction sites for "green box remington" or "dupont remington" they typically sell for a lot more than the newer ones.   I have pretty much gave up on big green, only shooting their ammo now. If you look at the big picture of offers, Ruger probably coves more bases in offerings of good high quality firearms than any other maker.