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Wow, this pretty quickly went from a pretty decent discussion about general purpose rifles into gun store commando prattle.   I'm looking for a 13 shot .45ACP pistol that weighs less than 12 ounces, fits in a pants pocket, and has soft recoil and a really good trigger.  Oh, I'm not looking to spend more than about $250...   :squint:

Wait until they hear about the ultra-flammable untraceable arson fluid that you can literally buy by the gallon at nearly every corner in your town... without even giving your name!!!      :rofl:

Absolutely a case of fishing for a cop. The key part of the equation y'all are missing is that it is entirely up to the cop whether or not he gets hooked. If the cop acts within the limits and scope of his duties everyone goes on their way and the douche is just a douche. If the officer oversteps his limits, he gets himself into trouble or the agency on the hook for a payout and the douche gets the smug satisfaction of being right, and possibly wealthier. The lesson to takeaway from this is for cops to act within their limits. Yes, they have a difficult job. I don't think anyone denies that. It is a difficult job on purpose.

Kyle, it seems your request for suggestions has turned into an argument to convince others of your views. There are a lot of great options out there that fit your need for an inexpensive SHTF rifle. If you truly want to hear the other's opinions you might do better just taking in what they are suggesting instead of attempting to tear them down.    I have run across a lot of knowledgeable guys on the forums here at TGO. Whether it be an AR platform, levergun, M1, bolt action, etc I am sure many can speak from experience about firearms they either currently own or have owned in the past, or that they may have used during military service or on the job as an leo. To effectively make use of this vast knowledge one may have to set aside his own views for a minute and consider what is being said. "Wisdom is the reward you get for a lifetime of listening when you'd have preferred to talk." Doug Larson.   Good luck with your quest for a .308 SHTF rifle.

Another case of refusing to cooperate and giving the Officers a rash of crap! Answer the questions and get on with your life. Same old crap, Cop Fishing!   DaveS

pretty much all true.  Of course make no mention of the party that initiated the loss of those freedoms, that might not fit in here.

I'll be avoiding shopping in stores like the plague. A few years ago i got my hands on a discounted GPS. I was all happy about it until i saw the line.... then i realized i'd rather pay $30 just to avoid standing in that line for 4 hours.   Online shopping for me only!

Wo. No wonder I can't get any work done.

This thread reminds me of the saying about cars. Cheap, fast, reliable. Pick two because you cant have all three. You can have all the characteristics you want for a rifle but it wont be cheap. Or you can compromise on something else. If you could have it all, everybody would have it. Also, Mad Max was a movie not real life or an accurate look into the future.

Well, That went well, didn't it?

So here is the update.  I had some email communication with a fellow in Spike's customer service department.  After a couple of delays, he sent me a return label and RMA number.  I sent the complete upper with BCG, copies of email correspondence including that associated with the previous RMA, photos of the malfunction posted here, and explanation of what I had tried to fix the problem including types of mags, ammo, etc.  Two days later, I received an email from the customer service rep stating that he hand-carried the upper to their armorer who, upon reading the correspondence, built a complete new upper for me and installed my LWRC quad-rail on the new upper.  I received the shipment today and it included 7 fired casings that do not have the scratches/gouges on them like the ones I got in the old upper receiver.  I asked if they knew what the problem was, they said they didn't bother to do any sort of diagnostics.  I am very confident that the feed ramps on the other barrel extension were not machined properly because these look much more flared than on the previous upper.  They also tossed in a couple of decals and a American flag velcro patch, which was nice.  The only problem is that they didn't swap out the engraved dust cover I had on the previous upper, but that is a very minor problem and I'll take credit for that because I didn't specify it was installed on the upper I returned.  Hopefully I'll be able take it out and shoot it this weekend to confirm it works properly.   I'm glad to see that Spike's has finally tried to make things right.  I'll give a range report soon.

You touch that FAL off inside a house and you won't be hearing squat either.

  Dave, I think that is a slippery slope your traveling down with the recorder.  Not tremendously different from the leftest argument that carrying a gun means your seeking confrontation.  Personally i don't see the need for me to carry a recorder, but i can understand why some feel that it is in there best interest to record conversations with LE.   I wish i could say that there are no dishonest police officers, but we both know that that is not the case.  Additionally it assists in preventing the he said she said that can come from encounters with non LE, like the security guard in this case.  Again, i agree that i dont find it personally necessary, but it is not a guaranteed indicator that someone is seeking confrontation either.

Situational awareness. And they better hope they succeed. Sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

Bury it, stuff it in a yard bag and trash it, burn it, toss it in a lake, grind it up and compost it, .....

After hearing his story and seeing the subsequent outcome, I've considered getting a recorder.  Not because of how I carry (which is 99% of the time concealed), but because it seems like this would be the only way to prove your side of the story in any situation  involving an arrest, detention, etc.  You shouldn't have to prove your side, but that's what it seems like sometimes.  (Like those numerous people who had large amounts of cash confiscated by Tennessee cops, and then had to prove they weren't drug dealers).    I have not gone out and bought a recorder, but I have put a recorder widget in an easy to locate spot on my phone.  I don't keep it on, but I have decided that any interaction with a representative of the government will be recorded.  Its sad, but I have heard numerous instances where the citizen's word was given less credence than the government official.   I'm not looking to sue anyone, I just want to protect myself.     And all the audio is posted on the first page of this thread:  http://www.georgiapacking.org/forum/showthread.php?t=237726

I feel life my life is scripted by Rod Serling everytime I read crap like this.

Then in her golden years, you can just tell her you got cable for her and she's watching Animal Planet.  :)

Because it's in the 5th Amendment, and back when they started blocking felon's rights there were very few felony's.  You had to do something bad, and you often spent your entire life in prison....  Rape, Murder, Armed robbery...  all of which were life without parole or death sentences back in the day.   I keep asking the question, if we don't trust them enough to own a firearm, why on earth are they loose on the streets with us?  

  When are they gonna regulate stupid? It's a helluva lot more dangerous than a box of Tannerite.

she broke up the band

Scavengers probably scattered the carcas around. There's probably another pile of bones nearby. Super nice find!

Not going to be much time at that distance. I would think step 1 is to have adequate medical supplies on hand and make sure that at least one or two people in the office are trained in first aid. This is probably a good idea in any event. I like the ideas for barriers. I'm sure someone probably makes desks with flip-up ones or maybe a desk pad with a sheet of steel embedded. As to a weapon, I'm not sure. On you person seems likely the best bet. It increases access time but it will always be with you. Say if you were in the bathroom or elsewhere in the building and the shooting started... Some of this will be dependent on the layout of your offices and other factors. Of course, nobody says you have to have just one. Peejman's suggestion of an ejector seat is clearly ridiculous. A button under the desk that opens a trapdoor to a pit of sharks is a much better idea.

If you already know so much, why are you asking for suggestions? $300 probably won't get you a reliable rifle with the characteristics you've named. You might consider saving some more money and getting a Springfield M1a or a Steyr Scout rifle. Buy all the ammo you think you need to single handedly whip whatever army or mob you are planning for. I'm not sure where you plan to "scrounge for ammo" but most people I know who own it wouldn't be very receptive to your idea.   I'm always entertained by the new guys who know more than the rest of us. How old are you? Late teens I'm guessing.

I guess it worked out for him, huh? It seems like here lately that that's a little game everyone wants to play. Refuse to show ID, refuse to answer LEO's questions and start the cameras rolling! Some folks think they'll just drop dead if they had a good encounter with LE. And at the same time, cry that their rights are being violated if the LEO was video taping them for his protection. What's good for one is good for the other right? I just don't agree with all this damn recording of LEO's. Find another hobby like recording wildlife or something.   DaveS

If it were me, I'd look at these two as well as the 686:   Smith Model 66 Smith Model 19

I am sorry to say that I have no patch , but I commend you gentlemen for your service ; especially today.

   Well I think that's due in part to the fact that we have let this go to far and i'm not just talking about since the CCC push started. My grandparents were both educators from college to retirement and filled every role from classroom teacher to principal and everywhere in between as well as my grandfather being on the school board and they don't even recognize whats going on now. We've allowed even our small conservative town's schools to be infiltrated by liberal/socialist teachers so it's not as easy as saying 'whoa now, lets just let the educators run the show" because they are a huge part of the problem. That leaves concerned parents and citizens to try to try and get something done and that's not going to be easy because we can fuss all we want but that accomplishes nothing until we get the scuzzy teachers and politicians out of the way and good ones in place. See if we had put the brakes on this crap a long time ago it would have been easier but we've let it fester and the infection has reached the bones and it's going to take a hardcore dose of antibiotics to cure it.. I don't mean to be pessimistic but I don't see this being stopped much less good changes being made until being fed up and pissed off becomes a lot more wide spread than it is. 

I haggle on EVERYTHING. If the shop says they can't do it, I am fine. But I am always looking to get a better deal.

they're not even as good as animals, animals only attack to feed, or defend themselves. they are beneath animals...

FAL , forget the suppressor , once you shoot the head they can't hear anyways !

  Good for them.

So please tell me Chuck, who ALWAYS has a recorder on them? No one except someone who's looking for a confrontation. Maybe the dude was 100% right...the recorder bugs me. What the hell....I'll start carrying one tomorrow. Never know when something cool might happen. That's all I'm saying. For some reason, all those Georgia boys are carrying recorders. Why? I still smell a rat! Sorry.   DaveS

Some stores will negotiate some will not. If a shop wants me to be a steady customer they cut me a break or give something, for example: a free range pass. If the store will not, I will find a store that will or find excellent deals online that will cost less even with shipping and transfer fee. I like supporting LGS but I don't like to be over charged. I always do my research before buying, be it guns, cars, etc.

Late to the party, I guess. Hope you all had a peaceful Veteran's Day yesterday.

Hitler said something to the tune of "give me the loyalty of the children and I can take over in ten years" Most people make the mistake of thinking that bad people are idiots because in their mind they all fall into the category of broke thug. If you study the actions of all the major mass murderers such as hitler you will find that they are all far from idiots, in fact most of them have been brilliant men that have mastered the art of deception and manipulation. I think that we are being shown their hand and we (collectively) are choosing to stick our heads in the sand and say "oh that could never happen in America". We are no different that any other country besides our constitution and the fact that for the most part we don't worship a murderous false god. I think we are seeing both of those being eroded to the point that they won't be able to save us much longer. They are getting rid of us the same way you eat an elephant, one bite at a time.

Ditto Austin. We got the 55" version of the previous gen... built-in wi-fi, fantastic quality... love it!

I use www.slickguns.com under the ammo heading to see best deals and relative pricing.  I recently bought from Selway Armory.

The Liberty Amendmendents by Mark Levin - These would solve a lot of the country's problems if they could be enacted, but unfortunately I don't believe the establishment politicians (either party) would ever let them be put in place.   The Expanse series by James S.A. Corey - Absolutely great space opera sci-fi series, with some really interesting characters.

    I see men with wallets that have a change pouch thingy in them.  See them every day.   I hate change.  I never put it in pocket if I can help it.  Keep it palmed and drop it in the truck's cup holder.

had a customer OC into the liquor store yesterday.  No one but me noticed, customers are oblivious to it.  Of course he acted like anyone else in the door acts, did nothing to draw attention.  Got his case of wine, paid and left.  This is how OC should always happen.

Thanks to all the veterans out there.  Thank you, Gene Parks, USN, WWII RM2, USS Fullam  My Dad

The day that happens, is the day I drop 10 F1/4's....

  Well, we lost God given gun rights in 1934 I reckon, not to mention crapping on the Second Amendment the first major time.   - OS

I'm sure there are others out there. I'd love it if my house had one but I wouldn't tell a soul.

I changed my avatar to participate. My last unit.   DaveS

I have read this entire thread, reading both points and counter points. The bottom line is this guy was looking for a confrontation with LEO, there are just to many examples of this on the internet, very similar to this. This is not the wild west. When you are in public you should act accordingly. If you are asked by a police office what you are doing and you are doing nothing wrong why would you not cooperate unless you are trying to make a spectacle of yourself or you are doing something illegal. I don't believe open carry in a park with play areas for children and seeing children present is a acceptable situation especially with what has happened a few months ago up north.

There is a silver lining to all of this with the bullet bozo's.   The next time you see one, smile and say. "It sure will be nice when you're dead and buried and I can buy up your .22LR ammo from your  widow for 25c a box. Ya'll have a nice day now".  :)   Lp

I had a boss once tell me, "It don't pay to piss people off". That advice has served me well.

Obviously a person who has looked at too many freaking pistols lately.