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I could really care less about someone standing around in a walmart waiting to buy ammo to resell I have better things to do with my time if someone wants to do that fine with me I buy and sell every day I buy product when ever where ever I can find it but I don't stand around in walmart to do it I see people in Ashland city doing it every time I go to the super center more power to them I stocked up on 22 lr years ago when it was 65,00 per case if you didn't see the writing on the wall I am sorry life is not fair just because johnny has a new bike doesn't mean you should have one too if you are not willing to do the same work for it we do not need more govt regulation on ammo sales that's crazy we have enough of that heck if you need ammo that bad go into work late stop by walmart get some some of you know me and know I have given a lot of 22 ammo away in the past 6 months now is a great time to start reloading get you a 223 and load it for less than 22lr I have several reloading presses extra if you really need one let me know I will give it to you I want every one to shoot I like this form I want every body to get along some people are always going to try to profit from times like these cant be helped I have told 2 of my suppliers that I would not be buying anything from them anymore because of this just my 2 cents worth David

  You can make flat bread and beer with millet. Forged is inedible.

Maybe I look at our little community differently than some, but I'm surprised at the nerve of those who have been willing to advertise those kind of prices on TGO. Maybe it's because I've been an active member for quite some time, but I look at most of the members around here as an extended family. And I sure as hell couldn't bring myself to sell stuff to my family members at those prices.

My personal thoughts are that a POTUS can be any race, religion, orientation or whatever floats his boat provided he serves the people, is faithful to the United States Constitution, and doesn't go around making our global image any weaker than it already is. Obama has done the exact opposite of what a POTUS is supposed to do. I don't dislike him for being Muslim, I hate him for being a POS POTUS.

Monkeylizard's explanation is spot on.   Buying up the Wallyworld 22LR bricks with no intent other than reselling them at a gouged price is kind of the same as throwing a box of roofing nails in the road and setting up a temporary road side tire repair business. Seems shady to me. How would you feel as a customer at the "tire repair stand" if you found out the guy running it threw out the nails?    I would say that none of these "re-sellers" are legitimate businesses. Walmart is a legitimate business that sells to the end user. They are not a wholesale distributor but are selling retail to the public. These "re-sellers" are inserting themselves in between Walmart and the public as a middle man.   I have learned that you can take about anything and find that there will be somebody that has found a crooked way to make money off of it.   Years ago I would just pick up a brick every once in a while at Walmart whether I needed it or not but when there is not any on the shelf or it is too high I just don't buy any. I still have an adequate stock from what I bought over the years. Hopefully this situation will level off. If there was 1,000 bricks of it on the shelf the re-sellers would pack up and go home and start looking for a new game. Kind of like a parasite looking for a new host.

  Drugs I'm sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sXxT0Ny2zI

Well I haven't been buying any at all. I won't contribute to the nonsense other than buying ammo from a dealer when it's available. I'd rather not shoot than line the pockets of some POS trying to profit from market panic.

It's over and over and over again. Quit complaining if your buying it , quit buying it if your complaining. The ammo is out there , get it as cheap as you can , if you can't find it at a reasonable cost , don't buy it. Yes , when the scalpers can sell it for a profit they will continue to do so. Only when scalping prices cease to sell will the scalping stop. Wish it was that easy .........

Army veteran fighting to get ‘INF1DL’ license plate  

That's alright. That just means the funnel cake line won't be too long.

I don't care if he stuck is head into the window of the police car and told the LEOs that he just got done banging their wives. It appears the LEOs abused their authority and got away with it.

And basically this is the reason why we don't have a true "free market" in our society.  It's not possible to have a completely unregulated "free market" as long as we have sellers who are considered unethical and consumers are considered to be acting unwisely, and that is a reason to regulate the market.   What I do see here going on is the free market at work.  The opportunist who is being marked as unethical is being called out by more informed consumers who will educate other consumers and stop supporting the unethical seller.  This loss of support will discourage unethical practices in the future by hurting the seller's bottom line or drive them out of business.  Those sellers who foolishly spent panic prices on guns, ammo, magazines, etc. will eat the loss and learn from it.  The manufacturers who did not have adequate production capacity or product on reserve will adapt by producing more or keeping more stock on hand in the future.  Griping about price gougers and criticizing them is not anti-free market. IT IS the free market.   The only time I am in favor of some degree of governmental regulation is during times of emergency when people need stuff to survive.  Even then, I am somewhat leery because high prices for gas and fuel do help prevent people from wasting those resources and/or hoarding them.  In those cases, I think rationing is perhaps more important than controlling gouging.  Let the prices rise to an extent and keep people from using their wealth and/or wastefulness to take more than they need thus preventing others from having access to that necessary resource.  What that magic formula is, I can't claim to know.

im down for the moon war as long as it happens before im too old

Two years ago I would shoot at least a brick as week. And if I was in the mood to shoot I would shoot that in a day. I have not shot a brick since the first of the year. I have a new 22 that I have shot about 50 times and that is likely all it will be shot until I can walk into Walmart, or some other retailer, and buy a brick or two. And because I cannot shoot as much as I used to I know I am loosing a perishable skill and that skill is what I will use to protect my family. Make no mistake, pulling the trigger on anything helps maintain skills more so than not pulling the trigger at all.   I have even considered buying a pellet pistol to be able to practice proper sight picture.   So these people buying up all the ammo are keeping me from practicing or at least practicing without a lot of cost or effort. I can shoot my centerfire handloads loaded with my cast bullets but that is a lot of labor to be able to practice when I should be able to shoot 22's.

CZ9MM,   What you're missing is that the sellers (or re-sellers to be accurate) are manipulating the supply to drive that equilibrium price up.   Scenario: You and I are the entire buying (demand side) market and we each want some ammo, let's say 2 bricks of .22 each. A store called Wally's represents the entire supply side of the market.   Week 1 - Wally's is happy to sell those to us for $20 each. They know through market research that they can sell them for $25 each, but will sell fewer. They're a low-margin, high-volume store so they set the price at $20. They have one in stock, and should have some more in next week. I get there first, so I buy the brick at $20 and you get none.   Week 2 - I still want another brick and you still want two. You get the brick for $20 'cause you get there first, and we both have a little something to shoot, but we'll have to wait until next week when they expect a larger shipment of 3 bricks to show up to top off our supplies. We'll each plan to get our last brick and there'll be one left for later. Fantastic, right?   Week 3 - When the truck unloads at Wally's a fellow, (we'll call him BBJ) buys all 3 bricks before we can get there leaving the shelf bare. Now BBJ doesn't want to shoot them. For all we know, he doesn't even have a .22 firearm. He tells us in the parking lot that he'll gladly sell us each a box for $50. We say "screw you" and go back to shooting our remaining boolits from our 1st brick.   Week 4 - Wally's gets another couple of bricks in, but whaddayaknow, our old friend BBJ has scooped up both boxes and again offers to sell them for $50 in the parking lot. Now this time, you and I are getting pretty low on our supply and could really use that extra brick, but comeonman! $50? ain't gonna happen so we go home empty handed again.   Week 5 - Wally's doesn't get any on the truck. that's kind of normal for Wally's. Every week doesn't always bring in more .22 because some weeks there's still some sitting around from prior shipments.   Week 6 - 2 bricks arrive and BBJ snakes them both. You and I are both totally out from our 1st bricks. Want to buy some for $50 yet? Sorry...you can't.....this week our buddy BBJ wants $75 a brick.   Week X - Week Y repeat ad nauseum.   So when I finally break down and buy one brick from the asshole, does that mean that $75 is the equilibrium price? Keep in mind that the actual supply to the market from the manufacturer has not changed. Wally's still gets its customary weekly shipment just as it always has.   What about when our neighbor, Mr. Newb, gets a new .22 rifle and needs some ammo for it? This would normally be an honest increase in the demand side. But Mr. Newb heard on the news that maybe the UN, or Obama, or the EPA or Ronald McDonald is going to ban .22 so he goes to get some from Wally's. Finding none for weeks on end, he panics and buys from BBJ. Does that make $75 the new market equilibrium price?   Supply and Demand economics is based on the principle of free flow of product and cash between the maker of a product and a consumer of a product. Prices are bumped up somewhat by a value-added supply chain. Winchester wants to sell 1,000,000 rounds at a time and will sell them for $.03 each and you have to pick them up at their factory. You and I only want to buy 1,000 at a time and can't/won't drive to their factory. Wally's buys the million rounds and resells them in smaller lots closer to us. They add value by doing this for us and we reward them with an extra $.01 per round.   What BBJ is doing is not adding any value. The lot size, location, and product are exactly the same as how Wally's delivered them. Winchester still got their $.03 per round and Wally's made their $.01 per round. BBJ is manipulating the supply by monopolizing it as best he can. He's also manipulating the demand by starving the market of its usual supply to increase the feeling of panic amongst the consumers. That is NOT free-market enterprise. It's price-fixing market-manipulation at its worst.

Costco doesn't like my gun being in their store so this one is a no brainer for me.

  Red highlighted emphasis is mine.  THAT is the key difference.  You've sold what you already had, for whatever reason.  Be it you changed calibers, got rid of a gun entirely, whatever... it was yours already and you had no need for it.   The people I take issue with are the ones who clean out entire ammo supplies at stores to capitalize on "market panic".  They buy it from Wal-Mart or some other retailer and then dole it back out to people for a premium price because those people feel hostage to the situation.  It's morally and ethically wrong.  Benton offered up the sort of gouging that happened in Nashville during the flood a few years back as evidence that he's not guilty of gouging.  I say hogwash.  It's the same damn thing.   When a buying public feels that they have no alternative but pay an artificially inflated price for an item that the seller either partially or wholly controls the supply of, through nefarious means, then that seller is guilty of gouging.   I'm seriously teetering on the edge of actually wanting more government involvement in ammo sales as a result of this crap.

Problem with the logic in this thread is that there are buyers at the prices you consider "gouging". As with any product, so long as there are buyers at a given price there will be sellers. I have watched the price of a bulk pack of .22 drop over the last few I months from close to $100 down to around $40-50. That tells me that the buyer pool is drying up and those "gougers" will be out of the game shortly. Now, had these people not been buying up every box of .22 available we still would not have it on the shelves. The same people that are paying $60+ a box would have been right there to collect it off the truck at every retailer in the area. Very simply, if you don't like the price then don't buy from that person/business. But no reason to get all bent out of shape over it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

To continue the "war on terror", which basically means to continue and expand the various anti constitutional programs, they need a credible enemy. If the threat were gone, people would be a lot more vocal about the various abuses and power grabs, and before you know it the money and contracts would dry up. Can't have that, now, can we?

What ever happened to all that "free market" talk?  I guess it only works when you're gouging but not when you get called out on it in front of everyone.  Free market goes both ways.  You can buy up all the supply and make a few bucks, but people absolutely have the right so throw your sorry ass under the bus.

  No one cares.  Worry about your own affairs.  What he does with things he bought and paid for are his business, not yours.   I'm giving you 5-days of not being able to post to think on it some.  Attacking your fellow members won't be tolerated here.

Lol

I don't know if this is an act of repentance or not, but it seems Bob Corker has finally realized he's hitched his wagon to a dimming star.  Although he still believes Obama is "very good in an interpersonal setting," the junior senator from Tennessee expresses disappointment over how his hero has handled the Syrian issue as commander-in-chief.  Yes, senator....I feel the same way about you as a voice for us.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxxFk8UwhYM#t=97

WeaponsOutfitters is having a sale I just got the email... 30% off ALL mags... you can get the standard MOE Gen2 mags for $9.06 a mag   http://www.weaponoutfitters.com/ar-15-m16-1/magazines.html?manufacturer=47   Promo Code: mags4life

way cool, i've got lurking bambi's in the yard as well,peaceful to watch....thanks for sharing !

Hognuts....... You need too bring your A game tomorrow after that spanking you got at NA idpa. LOL !!!! See everybody at GGC in the morning.

Eh... I mean, to be fair they could have just as easily posted a headline saying that Obama is a bi-sexual wrestler.  I didn't see any hard facts in either of those articles.  Just accusations.   Is it plausible?  Well, duh.  But it's also plausible that it's a smear campaign because they're not happy with the Obama Administration.  And I'm not even a fan-boy.

I would say the police invoked that confrontation with no probable cause. I didn't see anything out side or inside that would require that they be asked for ID's. I don't feel that the police officer had any probable cause to place his hands on the man to push him back. Instead, he should have given him a verbal order to step back and if the order was refused then take physical action. There was no verbal order given. Way I see it I would not call it profiling, I would call it cops just wanting to throw some weight around and thought they fond easy targets........jmho

Don't turn loose of that 4.0. I'd take one of those over either the 3.8 or the new 3.6L "Pentastar" engine. The 4.0 might be old tech, but it's a proven workhorse. My 2012 JKU does alright with the 3.6 and it's a huge step up from the 3.8... but I'd take an old 4.0 I6 in a heartbeat. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2

Depends on the individual animal.  But most of them will stay away after a lesson like that.  Some agencies use paintball guns on habituated wildlife as "negative reinforcement".  That's not the term they use, but I can't remember it right now.     It works for most animals.  But there will occasionally be one that will keep coming back regardless.  When I was trapping bears one summer we caught one three times.  I suspect he may have been addicted the the drug we used to tranquilize them.   Will

If I followed someone into a restaurant to confront them over something they did/didn't say to me in a parking lot and during the confrontation I pushed them, like that young cop did, I'd expect to be charged with battery.

  That is exactly what I have been trying to say but you explained it much more thoroughly and clearly.  Thank you.

'72 CJ5 here... This is her, 20 minutes after I dug here out of the previous owner's back field.... [URL=http://s4.photobucket.com/user/robtattoo/media/ResizedImage951376168882588_zpse694d663.jpg.html][/URL]

Great ending. Thanks for sharing. I hope they catch the POS. She needs to get an alarm or safe if possible.

  I don't know what the OP originally posted about but it's obviously turned into yet another thread of discussion about the ammo shortage, prices, re-sellers, etc. (I suspect that were it not for the ammo shortage and George Zimmerman the post count on this forum would be about 60% less this year than it is)! :)   Anyway, I think you hit the bull’s-eye; that this may well be the new normal (or at least close to it).  I think the re-sellers who are trying to gouge people will eventually go away and that supply will normalize but I'm suspecting that we'll likely never see prices down to what they were pre-crisis.  Just five years ago we could buy gasoline for significantly less than $2/gallon; now we think we are getting a deal if it's less than $3.50/gal and I doubt we'll EVER see prices come down again.   We are going to have to adjust to higher ammo prices just like we've adjusted our lives to more expensive gasoline...maybe that means we shoot less, train without ammo, reload our own, or whatever but I think that is what we'll have to do.   As you noted...this should be a wake-up call for people to have/keep a substantial supply on hand at all times,  I didn't have huge amounts of ammo on hand when this current problem started but I had enough that I’ve had no reason to panic about my supply either.  When I go to the range I try to buy as much as I’m planning to shoot and sometimes some extra if they have what I want. We all here ought to be smart enough to know that having adequate stock of anything we consider important to get us through "emergencies" (that always happen) is just the prudent thing to do so I hope folks take this current situation to heart and acts accordingly.

My opinion is this.......Resellers, gougers, AH's, whatever you want to call them, have a very low code of conduct, are self centered and don't give a crap about other people or the damage they are doing to our sport. They are not our friends. By scarfing up the supply in the manner that they are, they are taking ammo from us all. Like someone earlier said, might have been Dolomite, they are also taking ammo from our kids that like to shoot because many young people cut their teeth shooting 22's. I know I did. No, I'm not using an Obama tactic here, just stating a fact. None of this matters to them. They are not helping anyone but themselves by lining their pockets with silver. Many are not part of the shooting community, but some are, and are even worse because most probably read the forums and know the ammo situation first hand. Their customers? These people are just weak or have a ton of money is all I can figure, but they are as much a part of the problem as anything else.. We all come from different backgrounds, have different beliefs and look at things different ways. When a hurricane is heading to an area you have communities and individuals that stand together, spend their time helping others to prepare for the storm, while others are out buying up all the plywood, ice and other supplies to resell at a huge profit when the storm passes and the stores run out. The money they make don't last very long.......memories of those people they rape do. If they fall on hard times needing help, they might find themselves without. People of like mind tend to band together naturally. None of us are going to convince the other side that we are right. Am I whining? Some will see it that way I'm sure because of their upbringing and mindset. But I'm just stating a belief....and an observation. I simply believe this ammo reselling thing is highly unethical and very selfish of those individuals. Right or wrong, many others feel this way and is why about 35 or so states have "anti gouging" laws in place in times of emergency, like the hurricane scenario I gave above. I've been patient and have been able to buy enough ammo, including 22's, at regular prices to keep me shooting some, enough for me anyway with the limited time I have from work. I've even shared with some and helped a few that have kids that love to shoot find good deals. Now that to me was worth an unmeasurable amount more than making a killing on armslist. One thing this shortage did, which I'm thankful for, was get me back into reloading after 20 years which will save me a lot of money after I retire next year and I hadn't thought about it before. I've been slowly building up supplies, again when I find a deal, so as not to get caught by the next crisis. Even if nothing else happens to prolong this this ammo shortage, we have a ways to go before its completely over. If it ever is. In the mean time I'm going to shoot a lot of sporting clays and skeet, then shoot IDPA a couple of times a month and call that good until I can walk in buy a brick off the shelf anytime I want to. I will keep my eyes peeled for good deals on 22's on the Internet however, for myself occasionally and friends I have that i know will shoot it and not rape someone on Armslist.

Condolences to you and your family.  I lost my sole remaining grandparent (grandma) a couple weeks ago, she was 96.  Both of my grandfathers passed before I was born.  My wife's grandfather is still around and I really like the fact that not only do my boys have 2 grandfathers, they also have a great grandfather. 

If properly prepared (stripped to bare metal), it doesn't matter.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.

  Couldn't find them on their web site. Good question. I'm not interested in building a rifle with a billet lower and forged upper. I just assumed they would be billet too.

  You're gonna have to drive to my house to pick it up. We can tell some lies and eat some prunes... It's all good :)

Sam's - donates heavily conservative. Costco - donates heavily liberal. Haha, if that matters to you.

Well, there are unintended consequences and unintended benefits when someone purchases something like this for resale. First we must face a fact. If someone is paying $50 for a brick of ammo and Walmart places some of the shelf for $20, what is the fair market price? You have the ability to purchase it in a limited quantity at $20, but if people are actively paying $50 a brick, I argue that the true fair market value is $50. For this example, we will assume it is a "fair market" and disregard any potential "insider trading" or the like. Lots of people pay $50 for a brick, so the fair market value is $50.   That means that the $20 brick that Walmart is selling is undervalued. Econ. 101 will tell you when the selling price is below the equilibrium price, you will have a shortage. We see this when we go to Walmart and they have no bricks. Generally speaking though, I can find $50 bricks all day long if I am willing to pay that price for them. This, arguably, is the equilibrium point. Purchasers can find what they are looking for, and sellers are happy to sell it to them at that price.   Now, lets pretend that there wasn't a single person in the whole state of Tennessee that was buying ammo and reselling it. Lets pretend that Walmart keeps their prices at $20 a brick. However, the demand that we are seeing right now is still the same. Thus, it is very likely that anyone that would have paid $50 for a brick are now able to purchase 2.5 bricks for $50. Once again, since Walmart is selling their bricks at a price-point lower than market equilibrium, we have a shortage. However, in this scenario, since the ammo is going straight to the consumers, it is likely that all of this ammo would be shot or stored for usage later by the consumers. Thus, it would arguably be more difficult for you or I to find ammo because those purchasing it from Walmart would be using it.   I can find ammo today simply by going to Gunlistings.org, GunOwnersClub, Armslist, etc. It would be an inflated price from the Walmart price, but truthfully probbaly represents fair market value moreso than the Walmart price.   I don't speak up against re-sellers. I don't do it because I find myself having that "American Picker" mindset sometimes myself. Who hasn't purchased a used item at a great deal a time or two and "flipped it" to make a few bucks? Sure, if someone is going to do it time after time again and supplement their income by doing so, the right (and legal) way to do so would be opening a business, paying income taxes, etc. However, that issue should just as much be solved on the government level as it should be on the re-seller level. Some of you may agree with me and some of you will probably disagree with me, but eliminating the income tax and replacing it with a fair-tax type tax, and then you no longer have to worry about a lot of the "legal restrictions" so to say. However, I don't want to talk much about that in this thread, but perhaps we can talk about potential tax scenarios in another thread.   The bottom line is that, in my opinion, the problem lies not with the re-sellers but with the sellers. If Walmart is going to sell their ammo at below market price, we will see a shortage. All the re-sellers are doing is taking advantage of this gap between the Walmart price and the fair market value price, and while they should be paying income tax on doing so, we know many of them don't. Look in your local classifieds section and see how many of the "skilled labor" workers are paying income taxes on the side work they do.   There certainly is a line somewhere between what is an "honest" way of making a living and an "unethical sleazebag" way of making a living. I am not here to tell anyone where that line is. Lets take the richest person in the world. That person could afford to buy every gallon of gas in an are 500 square miles. Then they could attempt to resale it at a 10% markup. Or they could try for a 100% markup. Sleazy? Yes. Illegal? In some/most cases, probably. However, would the same implications be there if instead of much needed gasoline he were purchasing every single Hot Wheels Car he ever laid eyes on, effectively reducing the supply and then charging 200% for them?   They way I see it, re-sellers are providing a service of some sort. There are many people who either don't want to, don't know how to, or don't even know that you can order ammo from the internet.  Some of these people are the paranoid type who are afraid that purchasing 100 rounds of ammo will put them on a watchlist. You know these people. Some of them are members here. Some of them are reading this post. If you have ever considered "losing" your guns in a boating accident, you are one of these people. Some of them are just the older generation that doesn't order things on the internet. If someone is purchasing ammo on the internet and offering it to these people at a price they are willing to pay, you have equilibrium. Sure, many of these people have a competitive advantage in the fact that they are skipping on their taxes, but it is still equilibrium. You have a guy who made a few bucks, and you have a guy who purchased ammo at a price they were willing to pay. Many of you are wanting to place ammo in a "necessity class" and protect it from being marked up, but ultimately, just like any other good or service, it should go for market value.   The best, and likely only, thing that you can do to lower the price of ammo and eliminate re-sellers is to not support them. I for one do not purchase ammo from them, but I also do not speak out against them.   Also, I find it very ironic that the original purpose of this thread was to notify you of a place you could purchase in online at a reasonable price. If Benton wanted to purchase a bit extra when he could find it at a reasonable price and then help offset the cost of his original purpose, it doesn't bother me. Personally I have met him a few times, I thought he was a standup guy. He's done a few favors for me even though he doesn't know me that well. Last I checked, he has a job. He also has, just like everyone else, bills and a family to feed. I am not one to judge him for supplementing his income by making a few bucks extra a month if he can by buying and reselling ammo. Perhaps that is all that is allowing him to stay afloat? I don't know. Whether he pays appropriate taxes is between him and the IRS/Tennessee. It's just very ironic to me that he was attempting to help TGO'ers out by letting them know about a deal. Should he have removed his posts? Probably not, but who cares? It sounds like he is "out". If he wants to take "his" posts with him, it is an argument that could go either way on.    Just my two cents.

I saw a lady get out of her Prius with Illinois tags, the other day.  We walked parallel to the grocery store door.  I looked at her and said, "welcome to Tennessee."  She said thanks.  I then asked if she moved or was visiting.  She said moved.  I then said, "Tennessee is a great place to live, I hope the liberals don't screw it up!"  She never looked at me again.  I tried to make sure I went down every isle she went down.

I've quit buying too, and just reloading my stash.   PSA had 375 rounds of CCI for $64.99, if people would quit buying it the price would drop quickly.    If people would quit buying from the secondary market it would go away too. 

I know my mind's in the gutter, but I just realized that if you remove the "12ga 00" portion of the original thread title, it totally changes the the paradigm of this whole discussion. :stunned:   Peculiar how funny the English language can be sometimes.

If you can afford enough ammunition to wear out a 243 barrel, the price of a replacement barrel is quite minimal in comparison.

I use bacon grease on everything.

mine is an m16 with a sure fire can on it.1 / 14 twist barrel loaded with barnes 65 grain ammo .it will not shoot very good over 100 yards but up close its not bad