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I could really care less about someone standing around in a walmart waiting to buy ammo to resell I have better things to do with my time if someone wants to do that fine with me I buy and sell every day I buy product when ever where ever I can find it but I don't stand around in walmart to do it I see people in Ashland city doing it every time I go to the super center more power to them I stocked up on 22 lr years ago when it was 65,00 per case if you didn't see the writing on the wall I am sorry life is not fair just because johnny has a new bike doesn't mean you should have one too if you are not willing to do the same work for it we do not need more govt regulation on ammo sales that's crazy we have enough of that heck if you need ammo that bad go into work late stop by walmart get some some of you know me and know I have given a lot of 22 ammo away in the past 6 months now is a great time to start reloading get you a 223 and load it for less than 22lr I have several reloading presses extra if you really need one let me know I will give it to you I want every one to shoot I like this form I want every body to get along some people are always going to try to profit from times like these cant be helped I have told 2 of my suppliers that I would not be buying anything from them anymore because of this just my 2 cents worth David

  You can make flat bread and beer with millet. Forged is inedible.

Maybe I look at our little community differently than some, but I'm surprised at the nerve of those who have been willing to advertise those kind of prices on TGO. Maybe it's because I've been an active member for quite some time, but I look at most of the members around here as an extended family. And I sure as hell couldn't bring myself to sell stuff to my family members at those prices.

My personal thoughts are that a POTUS can be any race, religion, orientation or whatever floats his boat provided he serves the people, is faithful to the United States Constitution, and doesn't go around making our global image any weaker than it already is. Obama has done the exact opposite of what a POTUS is supposed to do. I don't dislike him for being Muslim, I hate him for being a POS POTUS.

Monkeylizard's explanation is spot on.   Buying up the Wallyworld 22LR bricks with no intent other than reselling them at a gouged price is kind of the same as throwing a box of roofing nails in the road and setting up a temporary road side tire repair business. Seems shady to me. How would you feel as a customer at the "tire repair stand" if you found out the guy running it threw out the nails?    I would say that none of these "re-sellers" are legitimate businesses. Walmart is a legitimate business that sells to the end user. They are not a wholesale distributor but are selling retail to the public. These "re-sellers" are inserting themselves in between Walmart and the public as a middle man.   I have learned that you can take about anything and find that there will be somebody that has found a crooked way to make money off of it.   Years ago I would just pick up a brick every once in a while at Walmart whether I needed it or not but when there is not any on the shelf or it is too high I just don't buy any. I still have an adequate stock from what I bought over the years. Hopefully this situation will level off. If there was 1,000 bricks of it on the shelf the re-sellers would pack up and go home and start looking for a new game. Kind of like a parasite looking for a new host.

  Drugs I'm sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sXxT0Ny2zI

Well I haven't been buying any at all. I won't contribute to the nonsense other than buying ammo from a dealer when it's available. I'd rather not shoot than line the pockets of some POS trying to profit from market panic.

It's over and over and over again. Quit complaining if your buying it , quit buying it if your complaining. The ammo is out there , get it as cheap as you can , if you can't find it at a reasonable cost , don't buy it. Yes , when the scalpers can sell it for a profit they will continue to do so. Only when scalping prices cease to sell will the scalping stop. Wish it was that easy .........

Army veteran fighting to get ‘INF1DL’ license plate  

That's alright. That just means the funnel cake line won't be too long.

I don't care if he stuck is head into the window of the police car and told the LEOs that he just got done banging their wives. It appears the LEOs abused their authority and got away with it.

And basically this is the reason why we don't have a true "free market" in our society.  It's not possible to have a completely unregulated "free market" as long as we have sellers who are considered unethical and consumers are considered to be acting unwisely, and that is a reason to regulate the market.   What I do see here going on is the free market at work.  The opportunist who is being marked as unethical is being called out by more informed consumers who will educate other consumers and stop supporting the unethical seller.  This loss of support will discourage unethical practices in the future by hurting the seller's bottom line or drive them out of business.  Those sellers who foolishly spent panic prices on guns, ammo, magazines, etc. will eat the loss and learn from it.  The manufacturers who did not have adequate production capacity or product on reserve will adapt by producing more or keeping more stock on hand in the future.  Griping about price gougers and criticizing them is not anti-free market. IT IS the free market.   The only time I am in favor of some degree of governmental regulation is during times of emergency when people need stuff to survive.  Even then, I am somewhat leery because high prices for gas and fuel do help prevent people from wasting those resources and/or hoarding them.  In those cases, I think rationing is perhaps more important than controlling gouging.  Let the prices rise to an extent and keep people from using their wealth and/or wastefulness to take more than they need thus preventing others from having access to that necessary resource.  What that magic formula is, I can't claim to know.

im down for the moon war as long as it happens before im too old

Two years ago I would shoot at least a brick as week. And if I was in the mood to shoot I would shoot that in a day. I have not shot a brick since the first of the year. I have a new 22 that I have shot about 50 times and that is likely all it will be shot until I can walk into Walmart, or some other retailer, and buy a brick or two. And because I cannot shoot as much as I used to I know I am loosing a perishable skill and that skill is what I will use to protect my family. Make no mistake, pulling the trigger on anything helps maintain skills more so than not pulling the trigger at all.   I have even considered buying a pellet pistol to be able to practice proper sight picture.   So these people buying up all the ammo are keeping me from practicing or at least practicing without a lot of cost or effort. I can shoot my centerfire handloads loaded with my cast bullets but that is a lot of labor to be able to practice when I should be able to shoot 22's.

CZ9MM,   What you're missing is that the sellers (or re-sellers to be accurate) are manipulating the supply to drive that equilibrium price up.   Scenario: You and I are the entire buying (demand side) market and we each want some ammo, let's say 2 bricks of .22 each. A store called Wally's represents the entire supply side of the market.   Week 1 - Wally's is happy to sell those to us for $20 each. They know through market research that they can sell them for $25 each, but will sell fewer. They're a low-margin, high-volume store so they set the price at $20. They have one in stock, and should have some more in next week. I get there first, so I buy the brick at $20 and you get none.   Week 2 - I still want another brick and you still want two. You get the brick for $20 'cause you get there first, and we both have a little something to shoot, but we'll have to wait until next week when they expect a larger shipment of 3 bricks to show up to top off our supplies. We'll each plan to get our last brick and there'll be one left for later. Fantastic, right?   Week 3 - When the truck unloads at Wally's a fellow, (we'll call him BBJ) buys all 3 bricks before we can get there leaving the shelf bare. Now BBJ doesn't want to shoot them. For all we know, he doesn't even have a .22 firearm. He tells us in the parking lot that he'll gladly sell us each a box for $50. We say "screw you" and go back to shooting our remaining boolits from our 1st brick.   Week 4 - Wally's gets another couple of bricks in, but whaddayaknow, our old friend BBJ has scooped up both boxes and again offers to sell them for $50 in the parking lot. Now this time, you and I are getting pretty low on our supply and could really use that extra brick, but comeonman! $50? ain't gonna happen so we go home empty handed again.   Week 5 - Wally's doesn't get any on the truck. that's kind of normal for Wally's. Every week doesn't always bring in more .22 because some weeks there's still some sitting around from prior shipments.   Week 6 - 2 bricks arrive and BBJ snakes them both. You and I are both totally out from our 1st bricks. Want to buy some for $50 yet? Sorry...you can't.....this week our buddy BBJ wants $75 a brick.   Week X - Week Y repeat ad nauseum.   So when I finally break down and buy one brick from the asshole, does that mean that $75 is the equilibrium price? Keep in mind that the actual supply to the market from the manufacturer has not changed. Wally's still gets its customary weekly shipment just as it always has.   What about when our neighbor, Mr. Newb, gets a new .22 rifle and needs some ammo for it? This would normally be an honest increase in the demand side. But Mr. Newb heard on the news that maybe the UN, or Obama, or the EPA or Ronald McDonald is going to ban .22 so he goes to get some from Wally's. Finding none for weeks on end, he panics and buys from BBJ. Does that make $75 the new market equilibrium price?   Supply and Demand economics is based on the principle of free flow of product and cash between the maker of a product and a consumer of a product. Prices are bumped up somewhat by a value-added supply chain. Winchester wants to sell 1,000,000 rounds at a time and will sell them for $.03 each and you have to pick them up at their factory. You and I only want to buy 1,000 at a time and can't/won't drive to their factory. Wally's buys the million rounds and resells them in smaller lots closer to us. They add value by doing this for us and we reward them with an extra $.01 per round.   What BBJ is doing is not adding any value. The lot size, location, and product are exactly the same as how Wally's delivered them. Winchester still got their $.03 per round and Wally's made their $.01 per round. BBJ is manipulating the supply by monopolizing it as best he can. He's also manipulating the demand by starving the market of its usual supply to increase the feeling of panic amongst the consumers. That is NOT free-market enterprise. It's price-fixing market-manipulation at its worst.

Costco doesn't like my gun being in their store so this one is a no brainer for me.

  Red highlighted emphasis is mine.  THAT is the key difference.  You've sold what you already had, for whatever reason.  Be it you changed calibers, got rid of a gun entirely, whatever... it was yours already and you had no need for it.   The people I take issue with are the ones who clean out entire ammo supplies at stores to capitalize on "market panic".  They buy it from Wal-Mart or some other retailer and then dole it back out to people for a premium price because those people feel hostage to the situation.  It's morally and ethically wrong.  Benton offered up the sort of gouging that happened in Nashville during the flood a few years back as evidence that he's not guilty of gouging.  I say hogwash.  It's the same damn thing.   When a buying public feels that they have no alternative but pay an artificially inflated price for an item that the seller either partially or wholly controls the supply of, through nefarious means, then that seller is guilty of gouging.   I'm seriously teetering on the edge of actually wanting more government involvement in ammo sales as a result of this crap.

Problem with the logic in this thread is that there are buyers at the prices you consider "gouging". As with any product, so long as there are buyers at a given price there will be sellers. I have watched the price of a bulk pack of .22 drop over the last few I months from close to $100 down to around $40-50. That tells me that the buyer pool is drying up and those "gougers" will be out of the game shortly. Now, had these people not been buying up every box of .22 available we still would not have it on the shelves. The same people that are paying $60+ a box would have been right there to collect it off the truck at every retailer in the area. Very simply, if you don't like the price then don't buy from that person/business. But no reason to get all bent out of shape over it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

To continue the "war on terror", which basically means to continue and expand the various anti constitutional programs, they need a credible enemy. If the threat were gone, people would be a lot more vocal about the various abuses and power grabs, and before you know it the money and contracts would dry up. Can't have that, now, can we?

What ever happened to all that "free market" talk?  I guess it only works when you're gouging but not when you get called out on it in front of everyone.  Free market goes both ways.  You can buy up all the supply and make a few bucks, but people absolutely have the right so throw your sorry ass under the bus.

  No one cares.  Worry about your own affairs.  What he does with things he bought and paid for are his business, not yours.   I'm giving you 5-days of not being able to post to think on it some.  Attacking your fellow members won't be tolerated here.

definitely....corker is playing get along and forgetting what the majority opinion on syria is. He needs the boot in five. since senators have been elected by vote, they no longer represent the majority views of the individual states.

Several of them. I have leather by gjohnson and Mark@sea and both do great work. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

Oh sorry. I misunderstood your implications there. Good stuff. Your jeep looks great. Once I get my wife all MD certified shell be buying me one :D, but that'll be a few years yet.

My CDP score your SSP score. I shot SSP at NA now you shoot CDP at GGC, and you show one of the times you've beat me , come on now be fare !!!! I knew that post would get going, your so funny

Justin, you threw me off my game at NA Tuesday night.  You weren't fighting with your "significant other" (MCTS) or yelling/cussing at the SO (NA) for cover calls, etc.  Good job on winning by less than half a second.  I will be there tomorrow to see the latest melt down.   MCTS 9/7/13   Justin Cooper 119.07 (26)   Michael Bresson 107.55 (40)   If I actually could shoot accurately, I would have beaten you worse......LOL

hopefully  a good thorough investigation will return a shooter fast. wished those kids were carrying so they may have had a chance to shoot the turd in the face......before he shot them...

scary stuff for sure. I do have the unicorn apocalypse app still..... sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

If you are familiar with Oak Ridge, I live near the football field, or Big Ed's Pizza, and we have a large family of deer that live in a small greenway in the neighborhood. It is not an uncommon sight to see deer walking down the middle of the road in the middle of the day. People have started putting out corn and salt licks to bring them in, and it has made them less and less timid. I drove home the other day around 6:00 pm and one was eating something in my neighbor's yard right at the curb. As I drove by it looked up at me, kept on eating and watched me drive by.

I have had several over the years, I drove one in high school so they hold a place in my heart. There are two of them I would do just about anything to have back, a 06 4.0 with a April build date(one of the very last TJ's) and a 94 on 1ton axles and 38's.

The suspect is in need of rope therapy.   Dave

Easy to say not to pay the Gougers prices.... but when your 12 and 16 year old sons want to go shooting you do things you would normally not do.

If a person can't realize that paying $60 per brick of .22LR is overpaying, they probably need to have their head checked. If people weren't so gullible, maybe resellers couldn't have made so much money? That's my thoughts.

Yes, but now the dots are connected from our gov. ID to our consumer ID... what we search for on the Internet, what we ask Siri to do, what we purchase, take pictures of, text, type, etc.... :) Oh, and where we've been and where we are at any given moment. **undeniable in court because of a time stamp with a confirmed epithelial sample. ....sent from my iPhone 4s. :(

They already have all our fingerprints. :(

My opinion, for what it's worth (not much to some here I know!) is that if someone is willing and able to pay the price being asked for something then all you have is two people engaging in a transaction that frankly, isn't the business of anyone else. If including some ammo in the deal garners you a better price than the ammo itself may be worth so what - business do that sort of thing every day and twice on Sundays.

I find it interesting that the ACLU is backing him up and saying that the issuing of said license plate should be protected under the 1st Amendment.

...one is for my Grandaddy. It will be under his best suit tomorrow, and I will crack a smile and remember him every time I pull one of the other three out of the drawer. Kind of neat to be able to share one last thing. 93 years old, Army Air Force in WWII, retired firefighter, was a loving husband for 65 years. When my son and I pluck sweet potatoes out of the ground, peel them with my pocket knife, and savor earth and sun, saying, "How sweet it is!", my heart will be full - knowing that my son is going to be at least a little bit like the great grandad that loved us so well.

I"d prefer to be at the range now, but all the reasonable priced ammo was bought by gougers and I'm not paying their prices. 

I know if i come across some ammo at a decent price i will pass along the savings to them. Not in it to make a buck on the backs of those who cannot find ammo. But those that do, be aware that there are those on here that don't like what you are doing and they will spread the word like a wildfire. I really could care less about those who feel the need to stand in line somewhere to buy ammo. I have not and will not stand in lines for ammo. I have better things to spend with my time. (usually 7 a.m. I'm sleeping after a night of unloading trucks anyways).   Kudos to you david, I wish more people would tell it like it is and not just sugarcoat the truth.     One of these days I want to get into reloading just simply to learn the process and it would beanother good thing to learn if and when TEOTWAWKI ever comes. I save my brass when I shoot( just for the time when I ever decide to get into reloading).   I actually overheard a re-seller brag that he could get $60 for the ammo he would buy from Wal-mart for $20. He said the problem won't go away for the next 2 years. Unfortunately, he and those like him are part of the problem. The best solution to that problem is to not buy from them.   I didn't feel as bad after snagging those 2 boxes of .22 after hearing that conversation. I did however pass along the savings to my neighbor ( who was in desperate need for some .22 for her HCP course). We, like dlm37015 should be helping our fellow gun enthusiasts instead of fleecing them. Never know when it might be your turn when you are in need.

That is a very helpful breakdown. It seems both are pretty equal in most areas. With Sams being owned by Wal-mart ( who has openly stated they want to run my wies company out of buisness) I have to decide between a company that attacks my wifes company or my carry rights. I think the only purchases we have made at WW in the last 8-9yrs are gun related. I think I will check to see if Costco here is posted and keep my membership until carry becomes an issue. It is getting harder and harder these days to agree with Corp policy.

My family recently made the switch from Costco to Sam's Club due to their anti carry policy.  We've been going there (Costco) for at least two years and I never saw it posted. Someone here on TGO had posted a link to http://friendorfoe.us/ a while back and I noticed that our Cool Springs Costco was listed as being posted.  Sure enough, next time we went I walked all around the front entrance area and finally saw it over on the far right side.  There is no way you can even see it coming in over by the liquor store on the left or through the "main entrance", only if you walk in from the far right.  So anyway we made the switch.   First thing I noticed is the people in Sam's "appear" much more down to earth then those in Costco, and there are certainly fewer Obama stickers on the cars out front.   Sam's pros: not against CCW Corp level membership a bit cheaper Larger selection in several categories (particularly snacks, diapers, baby formula, protein powder) Monthly coupons are automatic when you purchase sale item, no need to bring the coupon book in Return policy seems on par with Costco so far   Sam's cons: The "rewards" back on the corp level card are nowhere near as good as Costco's Their "snack bar" food sucks.....bad   Costco pros: Excellent return policy Incredibly friendly workers Better selection on clothing Good rewards on corp membership.  (If you spend about $200 or more a month in there it covers your membership cost)   Costco cons: Posted no carry Limited selection in some catagories  Low quantities of their seasonal items, so you have to know when its coming in otherwise it will be picked over pretty bad

Ditto Nightrunner. I've gotten lucky a time or two in the afternoon, but rarely. Thankfully I have a stack of .22 bricks pretty tall, deep, and wide... and no, not from panic buying. For about 3 years I was in the habit of buying 2 Federal 550rd bricks every time I was at Wal Mart. Some times that was only once every 2 or 3 months, and other times once a week. It all added up to a "healthy" supply of .22, aling withe the other calibers I shoot. I've been tempted to take advantage of the hysteria and make a small fortune, but I'm such a hoarder I can't bear to let any go! I'm even kicking myself now for selling (at cost) a few boxes to a friend who has had a hard time finding a few calibers. I come by it honestly... you should see al the crap my Mom has been holding on to for 40 years!!

I find that I no longer need to buy mayonnaise by the gallon.

  And they would be buying it at a normal price from a regular retailer that is a normal part of the supply/demand chain rather than paying overinflated prices to profiteers who are interrupting the normal supply/demand chain and contributing to a perceived shortage, thereby creating a FALSE market, not a free market.   As others have said, a person who decides to sell something they have decided that don't need, cannot use, etc. is not the same.  A person or business that obtains goods from a regular supplier and sells to the public at a normal, retail price is not the same.  A person who makes a product and sells it to the public is not the same.  A person who knowingly and willfully buys a high demand item from a retailer - and uses straw man purchases (i.e. brings his buddies with him) to skirt rules put in place by said retailer to try and prevent exactly what that person is doing - is not 'just another entrepreneur participating in the free market economy.'  Instead, such a person is a profiteer who is falsely manipulating the market to be able to sell at ridiculous prices.

and the RINO's

I know a lot of others put more through their bolt guns than I do and I can put 30-40 rounds through just my .243 in a range trip and I usually shoot pistols, semi auto rifles and bolt rifles.

No...Government rules are...."Be a Good Boy and Obey"   Big boy rules are "Do whatever you like...but be prepared to deal with the consequences if the worst happens".

An AR is ridiculous for home defense as is an AK or any other rifle, unless the rooms in your house are 50 yards long.   Shotgun or handgun.  Take your pick.