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Due to recent admonishments, I won't get too deep into this argument with you. All I will say is that you have taken this position is completely unsurprising to me. I would have expected nothing different from you other than to support and defend a couple of state sanctioned murders and those that committed them on the state's behalf.

Those who hire the repugnant are destined to reap the harvest of distain... .   I would never do business with anyone, no matter how winsome who chooses to hire a genuine murderer; or an accomplice to murder... . The hell with Troy Industries and their stinkin pimps and "trainers"...   leroy

Since we've stirred this hornet's nest up a bit, so to speak, i think folks need to bear some human nature things in mind.    The first is this; you are what you are.... .  If you are no good, it will soon show up if you are given enough power and lee-way.  That's exactly what happened with the Randy Weaver thing.     It got several people killed, some of 'em murdered (...i think...); all over a "failure to appear in court" and shortening two single shot shotguns 1/4 inch under the 18 inch minimum decreed by law.  There wuz one reason and one reason alone, that a US Attorney and the gubmt fooled with this; and that is that they wanted to make an "example" out of Randy Weaver.... . My guess is that it wuz to help the political aspirations of whoever the US Attorney in that territory wuz; or, worse, yet; to send a message to anyone who would defy or ignore Uncle Sam that the consequences of ignoring him are very deadly and final...     Never believe the fairy tale that says that all gubmt servants are selfless patriots.   Some of 'em would be accessories to murder in order to feather their nests; and would cover their tracks and withhold evidence while doin it; just like they did in the Weaver case.  Take a look at what happened in Florida the other day...   There are apparatchiks in the gubmt at all levels that will do most anything to either get what they want or cover for what they have. Ergo, the evidence tampering in the Weaver case.   These apparatchiks have willing accomplices who will plead that "they were just doin their jobs" when they are confronted with wrongdoing... That brings us to the FBI hostage rescue guys.... .   They knew full well what wuz right and wrong; but they choose to curry the favor of those for whom they work... . It takes courage to refuse an unlawful order; and they (...sadly...) didnt have the backbone to say no.... .  I suspect they figured that in the long run that they would be protected... .  It turns out that they were.... .   Government outrages like what happened at Ruby Ridge and at Waco are exactly why lots of people hate the government.   The fact is that we live in an imperfect world full of imperfect people.   Some of them with even murder for Uncle Sam... .   Never believe that government is always right and justified in what they choose to do... . It aint so.   From my perspective, the last people that i ever want to come to see me is the dammed US Attorney or (....God forbid...) the FBI... .  The sad truth is the Uncle Sam and some of his apparatchiks look a lot like Uncle Joe Stalin and his inner circle from time to time... .     Do i think they are all that way?... No.... .  Do i believe that they are enough of them to be noticeable?... Yeah... . Sadly.   leroy

Stay out of anywhere within a 10 mile radius of downtown Memphis, at all times.

I started mine at 5-6. We started with bb guns and move up as expertise is gained. sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

We have the right to resist an unlawful arrest.

  but I moved here from South Florida where I will have you know i was made a naturalized Floridian by some cracker at a NASCAR race,

I'm not even going to comment on the direction this thread is headed, as it has risen my blood pressure already. What I will say is Troy has lost my business. Two of my AR's run their handguards. While I can't say I'm going to rip them off of those guns and start over, I will say I get a sick feeling when I pick them up now. It may just come to me replacing them with a company's that doesn't suck at the tit of government

Her claiming to be a gun owner that supports gun rights is like the racist who claims to have a black friend. Just a way to show a connection and make themselves seem more relavent.     I wonder how long it will be before those who represent us recognize how much support they could get if they supported us. A lot could get a lot more votes if they declared, and acted like, they supported gun rights.

  I'm calling a FTFY violation.  :) Where's Robert?  :rofl:

  Weaver did not open fire on the "cops".  They opened fire on him.  Maybe you could tell us what Weaver was finally convicted of that warranted the murder of his son and wife?   You should remove the American flags in your avatar and replace them with something more appropriate for those who love tyranny.

I'm waiting for the famous quote from Dave...."back when I was a cop"   It never fails.

Ever think its cheaper to manufacture this stuff elsewhere because US business has been regulated into the ground? Why make it here and go out of business instead of making it else where and turning a profit? Seems like a no brainier. That isn't the manufacture selling out; that is the result of an over regulating government.

on my 3rd attempt=trips to the range. limit of 5 shots each on the 2 nickels at 400. my goal is to get them both on the same attempt. but I am still happy. at first I use a piece of carpet that I spray painted the back side white and glue the nickels to it, so they would not be lost when/if hit but that did not work well I had very hard time just trying fine/see them. so this time I wrapped a piece of white paper around a piece of card board the glue it to the carpet then use a 3" shoot-n-see and glue the nickel to the center. so at the Montgomery county shooting complex today I got my first nickel kill at 400 yards, woo who!!

finish is 99% picked up on a trade last week. I love these old revolvers..they really don't make them this nice anymore.

While sitting on the dove field today I had the opportunity to talk at length with TWRA officer Mike Murdock, Robertson Co. During the course of our conversation, the topic came up of a dove hunter inadvertently shooting the wrong species. Officer Murdock stated that he understood that it's usually just a mistake, but that he does write tickets for it. He feels that, as a hunter, you have the responsibility of being able to positively identify the species you are hunting. I agree, and this is also especially true when duck hunting.    As we were talking, a kid, probably 16, shot a bull bat by mistake. It dove into the standing corn. The officer and several others saw what happened. Officer Murdock shock his head in disbelief and headed off into the corn to attempt to recover the bird. We were packing up to leave and drove off before they came out of the corn, but I am sure the kid got a citation, and rightly so.    I have seen it happen many times on dove fields. Swallows, larks, starlings, kestrel hawks, and now bull bats, all fall pray to untrained hunters. I was hunting today with a broken leg, on crutches, really just to supervise the two kids I had out hunting with me. I don't have any doubt that my kid hunts safe and smart. She has had it drilled into her since before she ever went afield. I guess I just don't understand how a hunter makes these mistakes. Why don't they take the same due caution?   We also had a young woman shoot at a low bird that was between us and her. Thankfully we were just far enough apart that we didn't get peppered. Her husband walked over and explained to her not to shoot at low birds. She didn't do it again. I am sure it was a case where no one had explained the situation to her. However, it was a situation that could have ended with another hunter with a face full of 8 shot. I can't imagine taking a new hunter out and not stressing the importance of safe shooting beforehand.    Please, if you take a new hunter out, make sure you take the time to teach them the importance of being a safe and responsible hunter. Don't be responsible for creating another "Bubba" hunter that doesn't respect the sport.      BTW, Officer Murdock seemed like a helluva nice guy. Glad to have met him today. 

Kimber Stainless Target II using Falcon Bullets and Clays powder. 23yds 12rds, I'll take it. [URL=http://s257.photobucket.com/user/dlmeadows/media/falcon.jpg.html][/URL]

I named this one Rupert, but I eventually relocated him, his sibling and their mother. The dad I never could catch but he eventually moved on.

Stay out of the south and north ends after dark and don't go galavanting around looking for trouble and you will be fine. It isn't great by any means, but it isn't as terrible as some would have you believe.

  Here we go again.  :rolleyes:

That doesn't help your case. Once you leave the panhandle, the rest of Florida is not the south. It's a chunk of Long Island that broke off and drifted down.

... besides the city of Memphis?

  Here we go again.  :rolleyes:   Mustard is the king of condiments.  Mayonnaise is Satan's....well, you know.

Either they got scruples, or they don't. That matters to me.

Back to Troy for a minute. Yep... they're on my permanent shit list. 

I think he needs a secretary to write his responses.  He sounds like a dumbass.

Rather than ban things based on sound why don't we get the government to issue us free ear plugs. I know I could use a fresh set every day.

This is why I hat3 the man working for Troy Industries now. He was the spotter for these shots. "Before the negotiators arrived at the cabin, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi, from a position over 200 yards north and above the Weaver cabin,shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son.(The sniper testified at the later trial that he had put his crosshairs on Weaver's spine, but Weaver moved at the last second.) Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, blowing off half of Vicki Weaver's face and killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elisheba[51] in her arms.[53] The Department of Justice Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) Ruby Ridge Task Force Report (June 10, 1994) stated in section I. Executive Summary subhead B. Significant Findings that the second shot did not satisfy constitutional standards for legal use of deadly force.[54] The OPR review also found the lack of a request to surrender was "inexcusable", since Harris and the two Weavers were running for cover without returning fire and were not an imminent threat. The task force also specifically blamed Horiuchi for firing through the door, not knowing whether someone was on the other side of it. While controversy exists as to who is responsible for approving the ROE that were being followed by the sniper, the task force also condemned the so-called "rules of engagement" allowing shots to be fired with no request for surrender." They took a bad shot, on shitty shoot on sight ROE. And still people defend their actions as right. Maybe he should have let that shot go. Seems even the legal system agrees he was in the wrong. So go ahead and support you good ol boys with a badge Dave. I hope it rest easy on your mind that you have no issues with murder as long as the man behind the trigger has a badge. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

  What in the heck are you talking about?  The government does nothing wrong.  Anyone who says such has turned their back on their country. ;) :stir:

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1025637" timestamp="1378137473"] Vicki Weaver is dead because of Randy weaver and Kevin Harris. The first shot Horiuchi took hit Weaver; the 2nd went through Harris and killed Vicki Weaver, he hit both his targets on the run. I’m not upset they hired Houriuchi’s spotter. Weaver and Harris should be in prison for murder.[/quote] Oh I'm sorry. I thought the man who shot and killed an unarmed woman holding a 10 month old child should be in jail for murder. As should his spotter. They would quickly run a military sniper up for doing the exact same thing, so whats the difference? Maybe they should have left the people at Ruby ridge alone is what they should have done. Not that your postion suprises me. You defend to the death anyone with a badge or goverment title. Even a piece of shit like this. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

And where do you think the government is getting all that money for "unsustainable subsidizing"?  I'll give you a hint, they're stealing it from successful businesses and individuals who are having to compete on an international stage :)   The government doesn't create wealth they can only redistribute it, so if they're propping up some businesses it's at the expense of others... many of which then relocate offshore because the tax and regulation burden is much lower.    

Troy is dead to me.

For anyone who thinks the US government may not be a part of the problem please explain why we have the 2nd highest effective corporate tax rate in the world.  Even higher than just about all, if not all, of the most socialist countries. Why would any company bring any of their earnings to the US with such a punitive tax code?  Just ask GE or any of the other large corporations.  Want to see who pays what?:   http://www.kpmg.com/global/en/services/tax/tax-tools-and-resources/pages/corporate-tax-rates-table.aspx   Just a small, but important, part of the problem.

Along those lines, workers who have no desire to learn skills DEMANDING higher wages and when market won't support it, going union.  This week fast food workers (in New York and other big lib cities) struck demanding a doubling of the minimum wage.    I won't name the place but I learned that a place I formerly worked at has probably lost their contract.  They brought in the union at the location and told them, the only way to compete to keep the contracts are to FREEZE wages and for one portion of the group, remove some extraneous extra incentives.  No change to base pay or insurance packages.  They seem to think the management group was just bluffing and refused any changes to the agreement.  Now they will all be looking for employment.  Good work to that leadership group.    Find your place in life and know what your abilities will bring.  Then live within those means and quit looking up at those willing to work harder, get smarter and produce more, with envy.

Here are some top picks in the Nashville dining scene. I've tried to group them more by price than by cuisine. I've avoided naming any regional or national chain restaurants. These are all local Nashville places.   $$$$ Reservations highly suggested for any of these Etch Kayne Prime <<best steakhouse in the city Husk  <<New place. The foodies are going crazy over this one. Germantown Cafe (ask for a seat by the windows for one of the best skyline views around) Capitol Grille at the Hermitage Hotel   $$$ Merchant's (downstairs) Tin Angel F. Scott's Mad Platter Midtown Cafe   $$ Jackson's The Pharmacy biergarten M.L. Rose (2 locations now) Batter'd & Fried Cafe Coco Coco's Italian Market Noshville Deli Mafiaoza's Pizza Broadway Brewhouse (5 locations around town) The Cottage Cafe (in Bellevue...If your wife's a girly-girl, this is a nice Saturday lunch spot to take her to.) Swanky's Taco Shop (sort of becoming a chain, but still small enough for my list) Puckett's (both downtown and in Franklin) 55 South (Franklin) Shalimar Indian Monell's <<Southern food, family style servings   $ Pizza Perfect Baja Burrito San Antonio Taco Company Varallo's Chili Parlor Arnold's I Dream of Weenie Merridee's (Franklin) Cuova Calypso Cafe  <<tasty Caribbean food     BBQ gets its own category 'cause it's awesome. There's no shortage of places to try around here. Edley's is popular, but I'm personally not crazy about it. 2 locations now. Slow & Low has some killer brisket. Good beans, but the greens are soupy. Judge Bean's in Brentwood is good. Stick to the beef brisket. Texans can't make good pork BBQ to save their lives. ;) Pegleg Porker is the newest place and is getting some great press. I haven't tried them yet. They're in The Gulch, so may be a great choice before a show at Station Inn. Jack's is good if you're downtown. Otherwise, there's better. Tex's off Murfreesboro Rd. has good brisket, smoked turkey, and sausage. Pork is better than at Judge Beans', but there's better elsewhere. He has good sides. Only open for lunch M-F. Bar-B-Cutie is decent. Certainly not the best but it does the trick if you're jonesin' for some que and it's close by. They have some of the cheapest prices around. Hog Heaven behind the McDonald's at Centennial Park. Grab your 'que and find a shade tree in the park (no handguns in Metro parks though).   Last category is hot chicken. It's one of Nashville's culinary landmarks. Prince's is kind of the standard, but it's in a really crappy part of town. Hattie B's Pepperfire 400 Degrees     Local Taco was mentioned above. The last time I stopped in there a few weeks ago, their health score was atrocious. For that reason, I can't recommend them right now.   You'll hear good things about Sunset Grill and Cabana. Both are Randy Rayburn's places and he's a big anti 2A guy. FYI. I've probably listed a few in here that are also owned by anti's, but not to my knowledge.     ETA: Calypso Cafe and Monell's

the final straw for me was the daily friend request from my wife's stepmother.  At one point she called and wanted to know why I did not friend her.  That is when I got rid of it.    that woman gets on my last nerve.

If you have a flat while there ride it out on the rim. The BBQ Shop on Madison is very good also.

  well aside from they both are horrible how do you compare a 12 year old with # 7?      Mustard is very over rated in general,  I am guessing the love of it originated in Memphis

I think they gave those up for shaved heads. I couldn’t be a cop today; I don’t look good with a shaved head.

Both it seems. Being secure in one's papers is part of it as well. I don't agree that questioning, or at least answering questions, is compulsory if no crime is suspected of being committed or observed. Traffic stops are different because the driver has broken the law by speeding or some such offense. If I'm just driving to my house and have not committed any crime nor am I suspected of committing any crime to the point of there existing PC, I don't see why I am forced to hand over my papers or answer any questions. It doesn't jive with the 4A. It is like a cop stopping and questioning a person to see if they murdered someone even though there is no evidence a murder took place nor is there any reason to suspect the person of committing murder. Your justification for this tactic at checkpoints is that there are people out there who drive drunk, and therefore it justifies these slights on the 4A. Well there are people out there who murder too.

You get to 1700 because only 6-7% of the alcohol related fatalities involve a drunk killing an innocent third party.  But even if it were 100,000 a year I'm not willing to trade away my God given freedoms so you can feel safe.  Those freedoms belong to me, not you...  I haven't given my consent to take those freedoms away...   And we've seen time and time again - recently a couple of months ago, where citizens who don't break the law, but refuse to comply with unlawful demands are harassed, illegally searched, and nothing is done about it.  So yeah my rights are being violated.   Now the truth is I don't drink, so drinking and driving is a easy thing for me to avoid.  I also don't drive around late at night when most of these checkpoints are being held, I also don't travel along non-interstates a lot...  So the fact is the chance that I'll get stopped at one of these checkpoints is pretty low to almost zero.  But that doesn't change the fact that I'm outraged at unconstitutional actions the government is doing in my name.   I'm a lot more worried about my government growing out of control, than I am about drunk drivers, druggies, terrorists, or other any other boogieman the government can come up with to try and 'reason' away my rights given to me by my creator.  And unfortunately in my case, the numbers support my concern.    

How do I not have a right to drive a car?  Because a car wasn't invented when the constitution was written?  So if I go driving around in a horse and buggy I can't be accosted by the police, but because I operate a vehicle with an engine I'm not longer free to travel...  What about a bike?  Can I ride a bike without risk of being asked to show my papers?   This makes as much sense as the idiot who argues that the 2nd Amendment only protects black powder rifles because that was all that was invented at the time the constitution was written.   People have a right to freely travel, it's a natural right, granted to us by our creator, and existed before the the Constitution was written, period.   And Dave you keep focusing on the unreasonable part of the 4th Amendment, yet you keep glossing over the part where a warrant is required for ALL searches, which must be supported by probable cause, an oath to the truthfulness of the warrant, and to describe the people or items to be seized.    

My son and I have been doing long distance .22 for a few years and today he took it to a new level and raised the bar on me. Some facts and background info. * He shoots A LOT and has shot a few 1,000 yard F class matches w/ .308 at 14 years old. He is pretty comfortable w/ windage, holdover etc. for a 14 year old and generally is a pretty (very) good shooter. * He has 20/10 vision is his right eye. I can't practice enough to overcome his advantage with this. * He was using a Savage TRR-SR which is an extremely accurate .22 rifle, by far the most accurate .22 we own. I installed a 20 MOA base and the rifle zeroed at 300 yards. Who zero's a .22 at 300? :) * A 6-24X power scope was used and set at 18X. * A Huntertown Arms suppressor was used (it tightens the groups). * For comparison, best 5 round group to date was .680" at 100 yards w/ Lapua Center X ammo. * Since we were shooting 300 yards, subsonic had too much drop. I used CCI Blazer w/ approx 1235 FPS muzzle. * Since I can't handload .22, every round is weighed to within .1g on my scale and then the bullet waxed. I did a test on that once and it cut groups in half. We shot at some paper targets 1st to get the windage dialed in. Once he figured out where the POI was, he made some corrections and was doing pretty darn good on paper at 300. Before we left, we were discussing the rifle w/ some others and got it out to shoot some steel again. He promptly put 4 rounds in approx a 4" group at 300 yards, with a .22! I attached pics of two different targets (I shot the larger one after him, reason for the extra splatter). Would be glad to answer answer any questions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGg2K0EQrkU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wG6te8-REA

I went again today! I got a good bit of research done. But best of all, I was able to take a new friend who had never been in a cave before! Cave salamander Beginning formations And this guy tried to eat my face!! sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

[quote name="The Itis" post="1025472" timestamp="1378105566"] Despite your insistence on ridicule, I'm going to be nice and just say I didn't say whatever it was you thought you read. I'll try to say it very simple language so you can maybe understand. American businesses cannot compete globally without help from the US government. Many industries are merely getting by with the help of unsustainable subsidizing. This is not news. I mean, I sense that you are not happy with the current administration, and even though I'm agreeing that they are not using sustainable practices, you somehow think it's a joke? Yes the government is not doing well, but who called for their help? The very same American businesses that couldn't make it without the government padding their earnings. That was a point you seem to have glossed over. American businesses can charge less for their products to be globally competitive only if they make up the price difference in the money they get from the government. That is the problem. Go on and talk about being an American while extrapolating a "let Detroit fail" attitude to "let America fail"[/quote] Sweet baby Jesus, the reason US business can't compete globally is because the government punishes them financially and regulatory. They can't produce a product cheaper than other countries because of how expensive we have made it for them to operate; minimum wage, crushing taxes, OSHA, EPA, Obamacare, unemployment, and about 20 other government regulatory agencies that so many businesses have to be in compliance with. The game is rigged and the answer IS NOT MORE GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT!!! It never is the answer. Try to start a business in any kind of manufacturing. It is almost impossible. Ad let me just add: do you know what overhead is? I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm serious. If you know what it is then you know that overhead has a direct correlation to the retail cost of any particular item. You have to agree with that. It is a solid fact. If you agree to that I suggest you attempt to calculate the amount of overhead a manufacturer has to deal with that is solely related to government regulations and taxes. It costs money. That cost is passed on to the consumer. The consumer is not willing to pay that extra cost when there is a cheaper alternative. The cheaper alternative doesn't have as much overhead because they live in countries with less regulations and taxes. The choice for both the consumer and the business is simple; the consumer will buy cheap and the manufacturer will move overseas. When it becomes cheaper to manufacture it here, then you would see less jobs go overseas and more domestic growth, but the artificial overhead created by the government must be eliminated. Raising taxes on imports so that domestic products are more competitive does not solve the problem. It only causes consumers to pay more, which causes them to buy less. That is where the economy comes into play. Less spending equals less revenue for retailers and related businesses which equals less jobs which equals less spending which equals less jobs which equals less spending which equals less jobs which equals less spending which equals less jobs..... The answer isn't to fix problems with domestic production by punishing consumers, it's to stop the endless cycle of regulations that has chased all our manufacturing jobs overseas. The government can't create jobs. That has been proven how many hundreds of times now? How could anyone still believe that?

  You can find them, but not in brick and mortar stores. you have to order them online.  Here is where I buy American made jeans.  Very nice jeans, and they wear better than and cheaper than Levi's that are "imported"...you can even get them in 31 length.  Try that at Pennys or Sears...or any other walk in store!!    http://keepamerica.com/shop/relax-fit-mens-denim-jean.html   Here's another store I have used.  A little more expensive than the one above, but still right at the inported jeans price and Dockers prices for casual.  They also have some nice American made jackets in the mid $30 range. check out the polo shirts for under $30    http://www.allamericanclothing.com/   You can even find nice furniture, kitchen accessories and just about anything at surprisingly low prices if you do some research. Give it a try with your own online searches.  I did and it's the first place I go when I'm looking for something.

What enjoyable pictures and thread! Thank you!   Looks like your all set if TSHTF and not depend on fossil fuel.   The youngsters are going to have very fond memories of their experience all their lives :up:   Stuff like this makes my heart happy, happy, happy!

  Nowadays, commentary on what some would consider core values will be detrimental.  Even remote stances on -    - Pro-Life - Defense of Marriage - Pro-Christian - Anti-terrorist - Pro Second Amendment - Anti-Grievance industry - Pro self-reliance - position on Global Warming - Pro-Nuclear stance   are risky.   I am sure my viewpoints have lost a number of FB "friends", and I have experienced bias from certain personas and groups in my professional areas. Some sectors are downright vindictive in political correctness.   It happens.  The world is absolutely changing.

Just because a person doesn't support checkpoints means they automatically support drunk driving. Every argument you use to support checkpoints can be used to support anti gun legislation. I hate drunk drivers just as much as I hate a person who recklessly shoots a firearm or kills someone with a firearm, but the libs will say that I support dead kids because I believe in the 2nd Amendment. That argument is invalid and dismissive, just like the argument that those who don't agree that checkpoints are constitutional somehow support drunk driving. I have no problem answering a few questions. I also have no problem with someone choosing not to answer any. It is, supposedly, a free country. Before you are obligated to hand over your "papers", be detained, required to be questioned a crime must have been committed or suspected of being committed. Saying that I can be stopped randomly any time I'm in public and subjected to search, detainment and questioning when no crime has been committed or suspected of being committed is the exact thing that are fore fathers DIDN'T want. When you say it is okay because there might be drunk drivers out there is to invite a slippery slope. It never ends there. If it did, cops wouldn't readily admit that checkpoints have nothing to do with DUIs... they have to do with catching folks on other charges unrelated to DUI.