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One of the few perks of getting older than dirt:   got my $11 Lifetime Geezer Basic Hunting and Fishing license (includes Trout).   That is all, whippersnappers.   - OS

He can’t be charged with carrying at a posted business, he owns the business. What the Mall owners can do depends on what the contract says. He could be charged for shooting at the fleeing suspects, but it doesn't sound like that is happening. What he did was reckless.

Carrying a gun doesn't infringe on another person's rights. Denying them the ability to use their own property does. As annoying as cell phone users are in a movie, the theater makes that policy and enforces it, not you. I rarely get to go to movies, but when we get a babysitter and go out, I have my phone on vibrate in case of an emergency at home. What a dick move for someone to be so self important to think they should block any ability for me to receive communications.

That's a boatload of fail getting ready to set sail. Anytime I see the words "warning shot" in print I cringe cause I know that this wont end well.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a7_1376041402   Ram owns a guy on a dirt bike, make sure to have the audio on, the music makes it better lol

That is a wonderful story.  Over the years my faith has led me to believe that God is not a micromanager.  However, I do believe there are times when we do receive divine intervention.  We might not realize it at the time, but afterwards when we sit back and ponder the incident, it is a humbling and awesome experience.

You are welcome to your opinion.   My opinion is that your opinion is pretty sad.   Miracles happen every day; very few people ever realize or notice them.

  There is a muti-billion dollar opportunity for anybody that can defeat ANY of the laws of physics :). 

The ram must've seen what that biker did to his sister

I really like these, and they're OhShoot approved. Full flat ground blades in VG-10 steel. Real light and solid lockbacks.

Agreed, I also believe this to be nothing more than mere "gerrymandering".

It's better than a drought though!

Was it just one shot or did you have consistent groups to the left? Was it directly left or low/high left. More often than not it is the shooter rather than the gun. Have someone experienced put a mag through it before monkeying with anything. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ2-x3lCyyY

Another business without enough balls to stand by their own word.

I can't wait to eat me some squirrels.

For my carry, yes everyday, gun I carry a full size 1911 that is all steel. It came with an extended thumb safety that I removed immediately and replaced with a standard small one. The reason is I have seen those extended ones get bumped off too easily without someone noticing. It has an extended slide release because my hands are smaller and I need to be able to reach it. I run a commander style hammer and a beavertail. I also have a fully adjustable trigger that has less than a 1/16th inch travel. The trigger pull is ~3.5 pounds and very crisp. I replaced the factory firing pin stop and the extractor with Ed Brown versions. The firing pin stop is square and not radiused. I do this on every single 1911 I buy, new or used even if they run fine. I run a 16 pound recoil spring and a 20 pound mainspring as well as a shockbuff. I replace the springs every 1,000-1,500 rounds ad the shockbuff if it looks worn. I also run a 4 finger sear spring rather than the traditional 3 finger, this helps tune individual parts within the gun without affecting others. And finally I added a Kart barrel bushing.   For sights they were 3 dot but I darkened the two rear dots and redrilled a center dot in the rear. I drilled out the white dot on the front. I then added a mixture of epoxy and glow in the dark powder to both the front and rear sights. The glow in the dark powder is brighter than any tritium sight. A 1 second blast from a flashlight will charge it and they remain brighter than any tritium for about 6 hours. And if it needs a recharge it just takes another 1 second blast of light. I used high quality glow in the dark powder, not the stuff you find in local stores. And when mixed in with two part epoxy it is impervious to any solvent you might use on your gun for cleaning. I have also used the same epoxy with titanium dioxide for white dots. Titanium dioxide is the whitest substance known to man. The cost of the glow in the dark powder and the epoxy is under $30 and you could probably do 100 guns with the amount you receive.   I have over 3,500 rounds through my 1911 so far and can't recall every having a single issue. I carry it every day and it looks like hell but it is reliable and accurate.

Very old, black and white movie related to WW1.   The African Queen.  it may have been colorized or remade but I remember the black and white version. 

If he gets charged for carrying at a posted business it will not have any bearing on someone who carries past a posting. In this case there are aggravating circumstances, just like other folks who have been charged so far. I've yet to see a story where someone simply carried past a posting and was charged. There's always more to the story and other laws broken.

Warning shots should equal a punch in the face.   He should have drilled them where they stood.   Talk about a bunch of fail on the Mall Owners....[quote]Since the 2010 shooting death of a security guard, the mall has worked hard to repair its image a “family friendly” shopping destination. Not even the security guards carry guns.[\quote]  Awesome.  You hear that criminals and thugs?!?!  We're defenseless!!  Southland Mall should focus its efforts on actually improving security if it wants to make it's patrons actually safer.  No, they'd rather subscribe to the liberal ideal of burying their heads in the sand by banning OMG! GUNZ!!, rather than criminals. 

If he shot at a fleeing perp (and where the threat is over), then then any gun permit involved should be revoked..

Thugs don't like rules. I feel just terrible about this for them  :down:  LOL

Mr. Cooper had his version of the perfect 1911, just as most everyone else who's tinkered with them does. After several years of buying, selling, shooting, adding, subtracting, and modifying parts, I've found my perfect 1911 is one of the least expensive I've owned. It is a Rock Island Armory with an officer sized grip frame, and a 4" barrel. I added an Colt ambi safety, three dot sights, and a pair of Grashorn Elk Stag grips. I can't find anything else to do to it. It shoots and feels great, good trigger, and is dead reliable. Sometimes you get more than what you pay for. [url=http://s612.photobucket.com/user/gregintenn/media/IMG_1887.jpg.html [url=http://s612.photobucket.com/user/gregintenn/media/IMG_1887.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s612.photobucket.com/user/gregintenn/media/IMG_1885.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s612.photobucket.com/user/gregintenn/media/IMG_1886.jpg.html][/URL]

There's just no honesty left in the world.....Jeez.... :drama:

Regardless of the high school economics, those who practice their version of "capitalism" by greasing WM employees for intel, buying everything up and then reselling it at 100-300% profit are assholes. 

I was able to trade even for my Ruger LCR 357Mag with a Gen 2 G19 . I am really happy . To me it means true Tenifer , true Glock perfection and no stupid finger grooves. Here she is . Man the G19 Gen 2 is the 3rd in line for me of the Holy Grail . The first and second are the Gen 1 G17 and the Gen 2 G17 . Here is a pic of her .... [URL=http://s768.photobucket.com/user/tercel89/media/g19_zps64d583ac.jpg.html][/URL]

The only way you could buy a handgun out of state legally is to purchase it from the FFL at the show and have them ship it to a FFL in TN to do the background check and transfer.   BTW there's a gun show in Nashville which is much closer to you than Knoxville.

I agree with what you said Wheelgunner, but a lot of people have gone to prison for shooting an assailant before these laws were passed that stopped the stupid requirement to retreat or run away in the face of a threat.  They have great merit in our violent society and protect those of us that are to old to run or too feeble to fight.

Good Lord. I'd have to take a course at a trade school to use that.

God does send his angels to help us all the time. Sometimes they are just the right person at the right time, others its actual angels and then you have "mysterious" strangers hello and disappear never to be seen again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=wWMsrzya1CE

In the thread you are talking about the bad guy had threatened the clerk with a gun. While being chased the bad guy turned and pointed the gun at the clerk, the clerk shot him dead. How is that remotely close to this?

  You're right, I was just going off of the description from the story that they were running away.  For all we know one of them had a firearm and pointed it at him while they were fleeing.  Personally, I don't care.  The only part of this story that pisses me off is the fact that these theives lived.

I've been hunting, successfully too I might add, with a .22 rim-fire for over 20 years. Prior to hunting with a .22, I put many a squirrel, bird and rabbit on the table with just a lowly pellet rifle. Some personal observations over the years...... when still hunt squirrels(most prolific small game in my area) a single shotgun blast will send squirrels into hiding for at least a half hour or longer. A .22 on the other hand, especially when shooting standard velocity or subsonic ammo, they tend to return much quicker. Also, the more hunting pressure in a given area, the more the average engagement distance tends to increase as the animals are much more skittish and will bolt quicker and stay hidden longer. .22's are also not just for shooting stationary game either. I've taken countless squirrels, rabbits, possums, and raccoons from stand still to a dead run. Also have taken low flying waterfowl mid flight and off of ponds and waterways with .22's (as a minor unaware of illegalities of such things). The principle is not much different than wing shooting with a shotgun..... just a different lead distance. I've seen a lot of folks try to take game beyond the capable range of their shotgun with their given loads too which resulted in injured animals. Having lived and hunted in "shotgun" only deer hunting counties of eastern VA, I have taken a few deer only to find buckshot pellets lodged just beneath their hide from long shots(that have since healed) that should not have been taken. All that said, I don't dislike shotguns in any way. I enjoy shooting and hunting with them as much as I do all my other firearms. But like the .22, it is not the end all be all of the hunting(survival or recreational) world. They are simply tools that come with their own individual pro's and con's. Like was mentioned much earlier in this thread..... if it is a matter of survival, I prefer traps and snares over any gun any day of the week! 

That is not my area of expertise. But this is 2013 using high tech systems. I refuse to believe that it is impossible to prevent the jamming of something as important as aircraft systems; especially with the money they have to throw at aircraft security.   However… I certainly could be wrong.   Felony charges and fines have never been a deterrent to criminals or terrorists; I don’t know why that would change.

I tend to like what we would call "plane jayne" government models myself.  I think its a "older generation" thing for some of us who remember when 45ACP actually meant 45 Automatic COLT pistol.  As others have opined, i like the looks and handling of a 45 that has the "old timey" look ,,,, round dust cover, spur hammer, low sights.... .    We recently re-did a light weight commander (...colt of course...).  Lowered and flaired the ejection port, low adjustable nite sights (...old eyes...), ambidextrous safety (...im a lefty...), long trigger and a bit of trigger touch up... .      I really like it; but i cant bring myself to carry it.   I keep the glocks handy.  They are excellent pistols; but are like a hammer or a handsaw.  The re-done colt commander is like a valued member of the family.  So the little sayin: ...." i show my colt to my friends and my glock to the heathen"... .   Remember, the colt government model wuz the only fitting replacement for the great single action army.  It wuz issued to the calvary for delivering firepower and mayhem on the gallop.  That alone is reason enough for every finished pistol man or woman to own one.  I say "...collect em all....".   I'm thinkin about pickin up an STI spartan myself.   Maybe i could bear to part with it.  I simply cant stand the thought of loosin a colt to a police locker for several years.   leroy

Well that's just silly to call this "moaning". People bitch about overpriced businesses all the time. There are a few gun shops I see folks post about here frequently who complain about over pricing for various things. The difference here is that there are a few people controlling the stock for the many. The same as if a gun shop moved into an area with no competition and jacked their prices sky high. Sure, that's their right to do and there are people out there dumb enough to patronize them, but it won't stop people like me from calling them out and directing people to a cheaper alternative and boycott those businesses. Just as it is their right to price how they want, it's my right to call them POS's with no ethical standards. Capitalism goes both ways. You can sell your AR for $3,000 during a panic, but I'll remember that and remind people of that down the road when things get back to normal. Goes both ways.

  Get old enough and use a large enough caliber, and you could find yourself crapping your pants every time you fire! Don't ask me how I know. . . .

I think the pacifier is only gonna give you mouth hurt ... this is better for butt hurt.

Dashcams aren't expensive. Honestly, they might be good insurance to have over here as well. I've thought about installing one.

  Sorry but I figure that the best way to make sure ammo will be there when I need it is buy it when I see it (at normal prices, not from profiteers) and can afford it and then put it on the shelf at my house - where it will be when I need it (same goes for reloading supplies in the two calibers I am set up to reload - .38/.357 and .44 - albeit to a lesser degree.)  In fact, buying extra to put on the shelf is what I did during the intervening years between the last ammo shortage and this one - which is why I have ammo, if I need it (and can largely avoid the panic/desperate search for ammo.)  I don't have a huge amount, mind you - and I have certainly not been shooting anywhere near as much for the last, several months as I do during 'normal' times - but at least I have some on hand if needed.  I will agree that, once I feel I have enough of a 'cushion' on a particular caliber I don't continue to buy it just because I see it.  Luckily for me, the only ammo types in which I don't feel I have as much of a cushion as I would like are buckshot and slugs in various gauges.  Since those are more or less still available, I am concentrating on building a cushion of those until things get back to normal.  I am also shooting shotguns more, right now.   As I posted, before, I have no problem with people buying ammo when they see it, even if they aren't shooting it right away, in case they don't see any more for six months.  Buying ammo at a 'normal' price from Walmart to use in one's personal stash is far different from scalpers and profiteers buying to resell, IMO.   I am seeing slightly different ammo situations at different Walmart locations.  I am most often in the Lenoir City store and they usually don't have any handgun ammo, period.  I don't often notice much .223 (I don't own anything chambered for .223 or 5.56 so I don't pay any more than passing attention to those.)  Even in hunting rifle calibers, they usually only have .270, .243, 7mm Mag and 300 Win. Mag.  No 30-30, no 30-06, no .308, etc.   Yesterday I was in the Madisonville location and noticed that they had one 50 round box of (Federal) 9mm, two or three 50 round boxes of (Federal) .380 and one 50 round box of .380 in whatever that 'new' brand they are carrying is called, a couple of different brands of .45acp in 50 round boxes, one or two 100 round boxes of Winchester .45acp and several boxes of TulAmmo .223 along with the ammo I normally see at L.C.   I thought the presence of so much .380 was particularly 'odd' being that, during the last shortage, .380acp was the first to disappear, the last to reappear in normal amounts and the most difficult to find during the entire shortage.  This time, it seems to be one of the few handgun rounds that actually turn up here and there.  I have enough of a 'cushion' on the rounds I use that were available (don't own anything in .45 and actually stopped shooting 9mm and .380 very much even before the shortage) that I didn't buy any.  Honestly, I was hoping they would have some .22WMR in stock - I would have bought my limit on those (I have pretty much given up on finding .22LR for the time being.)

I've become more and more cynical as time has gone on... I don't really believe much of these survival shows anymore... Survivorman was better, but all the rest... I have a particular disdain for Naked and Afraid just on principle, I mean... come on... what's the appeal of a couple hippies or nudists or whatever they are running around the jungle? These ridiculous shows are getting out of hand.

  Copperheads can wind up about anywhere, even in the city.   I killed one just around the corner of the mountain from Ms. Kraut's place when I lived up that way. Pretty sure one of our dogs got struck by one once, too.   Probably lots of them around, we had 40 mostly unkempt acres, ran across snakes all the time, but that was the only copperhead I ever saw. Never heard of any timber rattlers in the area, though, at least from anyone whose opinion I'd trust. Lots of black panthers spotted though, of course. :squint:   - OS

Inforce WML.  I've been very happy with mine, I'm going to buy a couple of the IR-capable ones once my wallet gets over PVS-14 trauma. 

There is a law that says you have to buy something or else!!!!!!!How much did your health insurance go up in the past 1.5 years.....That law is called Obamacare.

Don't take me the wrong way...If any one of these scandals is true, and I believe that all are,, then Obama should be impeached, and others should go to prison. I just don't have any faith in our leaders any more. They seem to be too content to let the country fall.

Guys, I don't think that The Itis is saying shotguns are worthless.  Instead, he posed a hypothetical question that went something like, "IF you were on the move in a SHTF situation and IF you could only carry two guns and IF one of them were going to be a .22LR and IF one would be a long gun and the other a handgun and IF neither of them could be a shotgun, THEN what would be your setup?"   Sure, the question makes no more sense - in an overall survival scenario - to many of us than if he had asked, "IF you needed to travel from Tennessee to Florida and IF you don't want to use any mechanical conveyance and IF you also do not want to use any animal-powered conveyence and IF you don't want to utilize any waterways THEN what brand of walking shoes would be best?"  Sure, just like in my example, his question disqualifies many superior choices but that was his question.  Heck, I remember something from my Philosophy classes about being able to discuss a subject even if the parameters were wrong by having everyone agree to accept the parameters and go from there.  Something like, "IF unicorns existed, they would _____."  Not a realistic question, really, but possibly an interesting mental exercise - just like the question posited by the OP.   Now, I admit that I did bring up a couple of points to disagree with him on shotguns, too, but that was only because he stated the reason for omitting shotguns as being the 'bulky' ammo.  I couldn't resist pointing out that, if such were his only reason, it really wasn't as 'valid' a reason as some folks seem to believe.  Yeah, I also couldn't resist stating my opinion that .22WMR would be superior to LR in a survival/subsistence situation.  But calling him names because we aren't working within the parameters of his original question is probably a bit over the top.

This is always fun.   Handgun:  Glock 22.  15 rounds of awesome .40 cal might with a light. AR:  NO  Too much gun. AK:  NO  Too much gun. Shotgun:  12 gauge pump, 20" barrel or less.  No explanation needed.

Yes a .223 can cleanly kill deer. So can a .22 short. That doesn't mean that either should be recommended for the task. I killed lots of hogs in Florida with a .22mag. I won't recommend hog hunting with a .22mag.    A .223 is a suitable choice if the shot is well placed. That said, my daughter put a 100gr .243 in a doe's chest a few years ago. Knocked the doe down, but the shot was a little high, top of the lung. The doe traveled a long way and was only recovered with the aid of a dog. She was only off a couple inches. If that shot had been made with a 30-06, I don't think the deer would have gotten back up. Part of the killing equation is transfer of energy. A larger diameter bullet of heavier weight has the ability to transfer more energy. That, coupled with the larger margin of error that a larger caliber can compensate for, make the .223 a less attractive recommendation for deer.    I don't have a problem recommending a .223 in an AR style rifle to get a kid or lady started hunting. The low recoil helps them practice more and so long as a responsible hunter is coaching them on shot placement, then it's one more hunter joining our ranks.    But if a full grown man walks into a gun shop and says, "What's the best caliber for deer hunting?" I don't think the answer should ever be .223.    I believe that Tennessee changing the law to allow any center fire caliber for deer hunting is proof enough that the .223 can be an effective round for deer. Hunt with what you like, hunt how you like, be responsible and enjoy the sport. That's way more important that the caliber you choose.