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One of the few perks of getting older than dirt:   got my $11 Lifetime Geezer Basic Hunting and Fishing license (includes Trout).   That is all, whippersnappers.   - OS

If the owner of a bar can ban guns, he can ban thug clothing. If thugs don't like it, too bad.

Mr. Cooper had his version of the perfect 1911, just as most everyone else who's tinkered with them does. After several years of buying, selling, shooting, adding, subtracting, and modifying parts, I've found my perfect 1911 is one of the least expensive I've owned. It is a Rock Island Armory with an officer sized grip frame, and a 4" barrel. I added an Colt ambi safety, three dot sights, and a pair of Grashorn Elk Stag grips. I can't find anything else to do to it. It shoots and feels great, good trigger, and is dead reliable. Sometimes you get more than what you pay for. [url=http://s612.photobucket.com/user/gregintenn/media/IMG_1887.jpg.html [url=http://s612.photobucket.com/user/gregintenn/media/IMG_1887.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s612.photobucket.com/user/gregintenn/media/IMG_1885.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s612.photobucket.com/user/gregintenn/media/IMG_1886.jpg.html][/URL]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a7_1376041402   Ram owns a guy on a dirt bike, make sure to have the audio on, the music makes it better lol

The dress code is no different than a legally posted business. It is their choice to prohibit guns, loitering, solicitation, smoking, requiring shoes, whatever they choose because it is THEIR choice as the business owner. In my younger days, bars or clubs had a dress code saying no hats or men must wear collared shirts ect. This is an example of a likely educated thug, or at least someone that has the ability to somewhat write an educated sounding letter. Sadly they, and I know people like this, think that just because someone (individual or business) requires a certain dress code, prohibits solicitation, or even legally posts against firearms that is ok to challenge them on it. The groups that believe they are entitled are killing the country.

Preppers are only a small part of it as I see it. There is a big lack of "community" in this neck of the woods. It's understandable since all the new mandates (not constitutional laws) set up by Home land Security. (My post just got flagged because I said Homeland security) I propose face to face meetings with like minded people who are concerned with their loss of freedoms. That's where the storefront comes in. A face to face gathering of cautious citizens. We need to know that we're not alone. I also propose a means of communicating other than cell phones or the internet. if there was a member within say ten miles of another  simple 30 mile range walki talkies with a scramble feature always set on the groups channel could be a way of spreading the word throughout the community. I'll bet that in a group of 30  , twenty live that close and the others could be informed face to face by their nearest fellow member. I'm not being paranoid I'm trying to get people who can depend on each other together. I'm a woodworker trained in the old hand tool methods.(and own them) I know post and beam construction. I might be useful for designing or building a new shelter if it becomes necessary to go underground. What do you do? Am I nuts?

You just described REI

  The staff would also need to be patient and not 'freaked out' when dealing with some of the more moonbat extreme members of the 'prepping' community.   One suggestion might be to present the store as a camping/hiking type store with a heavy emphasis on things like long shelf-life foods which could be useful for backpacking, hiking and camping as well as long-term SHTF prep.  I would think there would actually be quite a bit of cross-over between such things - especially with things like back-country hiking and camping - so you probably wouldn't have to stock a lot of 'extraneous' items, just present them in a slightly different manner.  You wouldn't, necessarily, have to stock 'casual camping' stuff like gas grills, huge tents and so on but remain more focused on back-country type stuff.  A benefit of a presenting the store in such a manner would be that:   A. your customer base could include recreational hikers and campers as well as those who wish to be prepared for 'trouble'   B. even though prepping has become a little more 'mainstream', having the hiking/camping element to the store's image might make people who may not feel comfortable about coming into a 'prepping' store feel more at ease about coming into your store.   That would also expand the types of training/classes/seminars you could offer.  Along with 'Prepping 101', it would be reasonable to have classes like "Wild Edibles: Living Off the Land in Tennessee" which could appeal to both groups.  Heck, as someone who considers himself to be 'high interest/low knowledge' in such things, I'd love to see a store here in East Tennessee offering such classes, supplies and help with making decisions on how best to prepare for my situation, etc.  Right now, I have blanked on the name of those classes/groups (I think they are government - maybe FEMA - sponsored) which are intended to help the average citizen be prepared for disaster but getting such a group to meet at your store could be a good thing.   I would think that, if the advertising and customer service were handled well and if you made sure that your store was represented at the right meetings and so on that word about your store being 'prepper friendly' would get out to interested individuals. 

Ignorance and being "mislead" are different things. I'm just saying, if they are on the hook then so should be the retailer and manufacturer. They manufacture and sell products packaged together with the instructions on how you are to mix it to make the target explode which are its intended and common use. Maybe I'm just thinking through emotion (doesn't happen a lot) because I hate to see someone made a criminal just because California wants to make a point. It's BS! But since I am not being logical ill stand back and just read lol

Somebody will pay it, that's the crazy part. Even crazier is the fact that if everyone just stopped paying stupid prices everything would go back to normal.

Since when did midgets become a protected class? Handicapped yes but not midgets. Just because someone is "vertcally challenged" doesn't mean they are or should be a protected class.   I am handicapped, and will be for the rest of my life, and I feel that 99% of the laws written to protect me do nothing for me or the handicap community. Most put an undo burden on small businesses and it has nothing to do with making life better for the handicapped. I can guarantee that if one business was not handicap friendly another business would pop up to fill that need that was handicap friendly. Right now we have no way of knowing which businesses actually support the handicap community because every business has to be handicap friendly. I say let businesses choose what they want to support and let the customers decide whether they stay in business or not. If it were a choice for them to follow the law I would only support those businesses that are actually handicap friendly, kind of like how we only support those businesses that support our priviledge to carry a firearm. When every business has to support our priviledge to carry a firearm then we have no way of knowing which businesses do not support the firearm community and we will mistakenly spend money with those businesses that actually hate us.   I said nothing about putting up a sign. I have refused to sell stuff to people based on where they live, used to do it all the time. Even here in the US I have refused to sell to people based on where they live. Anyone who is selling something should have a right to choose who they sell to. When we get to a point where a seller is forced to sell to someone they do not want to we may as well put a lit match to the Constitution because we have lost. I should have the right to refuse to sell to anyone and should not have to give a reason. But if the reason is because they are a certain race or religion so be it. I mean how many of us would sell a firearm to a Mexican along the border, especially after it broke out in the news about the cartel investigations. Or how many would sell fertilizer and fuel oil to a Muslim using a U-Haul to transport it? I know I wouldn't in either case and that should be my right to refuse but there are some who think I should be forced to sell it to them and that is wrong.

Products I can buy online for cheaper (almost always), and it may be difficult to make enough to stay in business based on sales.  That being said I'd certainly shop there to help out that kind of place so long as it wasn't terribly more expensive.  I really do enjoy browsing through all the neat stuff at places like bass pro and other sporting goods stores, something about being able to see the stuff in person lol.   That being said, what's really missing around here is a forum for knowledge and practical hands on training.  A community, if you will.  An environment where you can go if you're interested in preparing across the entire spectrum: from your teenage daughter who just wants to learn self defense, to your mid range hunters and hikers who want to learn the basics of short term survival,  all the way up to long term preppers.  You have the opportunity to involve a great deal of outside organizations, from boy scouts and girl scouts, concealed carry classes, hunter safety and education courses, self defense classes for the public, HAM radio classes, wilderness first responder courses (I'd really love to attend something like that) and even more.  Classes, both hands on and theory.  A forum for those of like mindset (whatever that may be) to exchange ideas and meet up.  Networking....   What sets the smart phone craze apart from the personal digital assistants that already existed before them? The community.  The support from not just the company (like apple and google) but the developers.  It's not just Apps, because you could install programs on the PDA's of yore.  There just weren't many, and instead of feeding itself in a reinforcing loop (more developers make more apps, more apps create more demand, more demand creates more developers, etc) it atrophied and died. Here's an example.  Mom and dad drops off a scout for a meeting. If they decide to wait and stick around, maybe they see a demo where another group is trying out bow drill firemaking and they roll up their sleeves and suddenly they're interested.   Maybe a bunch of hikers just finished up a class on short term survival and noticed a group of long term preppers having a meeting and a few check it out and end up liking it. Flight attendants at the nearby Nashville international airport have to take self defense classes as part of their training, and maybe the airlines subcontract through you after seeing your instructors teaching a class for the local university. Med students from the university might take a wilderness first responder course (I'd love to, hard to find around here).   Many kids love bow and arrow now that the Hunger Games has been in theatre.  Maybe a place to learn and practice, and a convenient storefront where they can buy their supplies.  Not just amateur bushcraft, but pottery and small scale metal and woodworking classes.  Knifemaking courses even. Your zombie fans have a place to meet up and have fun.  You can have personal fitness classes and do charity 5k runs (after all, being fit helps, plus it brings the place into the community spotlight)   I don't hunt recreationally, but would love to take a class where I get hands on and learn to skin and prepare game.  Instead of simply hunter safety, maybe actual "here's how..." for those who didn't have dads to teach them. To identify useful local plants in person with someone showing me, not just a book with pictures.  To go out and maybe test out my skills on a weekend not just in a safe environment but where those with a great deal more knowledge than I might look over my techniques and offer suggestions.   On the one hand, I can see a lot of possibilities and love the idea.  Plus you have the recent survivor craze with all these cable TV shows that have gotten the people interested in it.  On the other hand, it may not be enough. I'm not a businessman and the whole thing could just as easily fizzle.  There may not be enough demand, enough organization, or enough involvement.   Still, would be nice!

If anyone is interested in picking up a Zero Tolerance 0350, I found a super sale going on for em right now (at least I think it's a killer deal).   http://www.usamadeblade.com/Zt-0350-ZT0350.htm   Coupon code "August" at checkout brings the price down to $103 and some change including shipping.  Just passing it along in case anyone is in the market.    

I guess I will jump in and try to address several issues in this thread. First, no the Constitution is not the end all be all of the law as it pertains to how private individuals deal with each other. There certainly is some relation to the Constitution, but the Constitution deals with the Government (as Monkey mentioned). The Bill of Rights has absolutely nothing to do with actions between private individuals (unless such individual is acting under color of law, like a citizen's arrest). The reason we have things like the Civil Rights Act or Fair Housing Act is to prevent private individuals and entities from discriminating against "protected classes of people." The Constitution, by itself, does not prevent it. No one has a First Amendment right in my house. I have the right to throw anybody out of my house because of something they say. To that end, yes, my property rights trump that person's rights in my house. He has no rights (ie: under the Bill of Rights) in my house. Private businesses have a similar right. That is why they can prevent solicitation on their property. Government has a much lower level ability on these fronts. Why the difference? Because the Constitution limits governments. In this case, he apartment complex owner can make whatever rules it wants. You don't have to sign the lease. The only restrictions on the apartment complex are based on anti-discrimination laws, not the Constitution. However, with this particular complex, I believe it has been reported that the complex accepts some government funding, some there could be some additional restrictions on the complex owner because it accepts such funds. In any event, the actual owner (as opposed to the management company that instituted the rule) has voided the rule, so it is a moot point now at this complex. The big difference between leasing and owning is title. An apartment is owned by the landlord and the renter is given a limited right to possession (not ownership). The landlord has rights that a mortgage company would not have, like the right to inspect the property, to come in for repairs, eviction for various reasons (beyond non-payment), etc. Mortgage company would have none of that. There is a huge difference between owning and renting to leasing. Yes, you can agree to allow someone to restrict your ownership rights (such as HOA restrictions), but that is because you agreed to it by contract. Violations, by you or the HOA, is a contract dispute, not a Constitutional issue.

  Yep, well stated.   But btw, I'd wager that given the same circumstances,  ole hippie Cody Lundin could thrive while most of the machismo around here croaked. :)   - OS

*shrug* maybe back then they only had a single pit? & added the S after digging a couple more?

  Couple miles or less. Run. :)   - OS

The scene with the old Private Ryan breaking down and crying at the graveside tears me up every time.

What does being a vet have to do with anything?

How is that harassment? I know you love posting shit trying to get a rise out of people but this isn't anything. The guy and or group have no legal ability to attach anything to the overpass. When the guy tries to go over to interfere with the highway worker the officer stops hm. He refuses to back up he gets backed up. Then he flops down worse than Lebron James. His being a vet doesn't have anything to do with this other than using it as a crutch to get sympathy.

This is capitalism. It's the way it works. It's not an unethical practice despite how much it pisses people off.

Know where I can register to win new magpul furniture also? haha

I made this one today. Its a little outside my norm, but I plan to make more this style, with the blade ground down, instead of a forge finish. It was designed with being a great hiking, fishing, hunting, and general woodsmans knife. Completely ground to keep it clean for food prep, light enough to make it easy to carry, but sturdy enough for camp chores. 1095 steel from a Nicholson File, unknown wood for handle. Full tang, 5.5" blade, 4.5" handle, 10" overall. Full flat grind, with a razor edge. [url=http://s535.photobucket.com/user/tnplowboy07/media/20130808_185818_zpsf8360080.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s535.photobucket.com/user/tnplowboy07/media/20130808_185803_zpsd6e85d74.jpg.html][/URL]

Does that come with a senior discount for the diapers you'll be needing while being away from a bathroom for more than 15 minutes? :p

Because store fronts cost lots of money. They can be $10-20 per square foot or more. It is not unheard of to see 1500 sqft costing $4000 or more. As opposed to a small warehouse space costing pennies per ft. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I am gonna agree with everyone so far. A BIG agree to websites. If you need any assistance in any areas, I would be happy to help. I may actually be smarter than I let on. :) sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

  Haha, yeah... Those funny people with their ideals and principles. Losers. TEAM RED!!! or blue. Just pick one, doesn't matter which.  

If the military is doing anything other than waging a war in direct response to an act of aggression on our sovereign territory, then yep, that too. 12 years of elective war and nation building have not only sold our children and their children ino debt slavery, but it has also spent thousands of lives needlessly along with going a far piece towards stripping our nation of its last vestiges of the concepts of individual liberty and freedom from government meddling in our day to day lives. The modern surveillance state has been built upon the ashes of the twin towers. Just as "the only way to save the village was to destroy it" was said in the past, apparently the only way to protect our liberty was to strip it from us.

Have you ever wondered about people who complain about politicians compromising on anything, and also complain about the government's inability to get anything done? :shrug:

I contacted a guy this morning on GOC that had some 22 LR for .20 each.I asked him how long he had to stand in line for it and he told me it was shipped UPS and then called me a dirty name . LMAO.So I hope he sells a lot of ammo acting like that.There are some REALLY GREAT people getting into the ammo business.

    uh misspellings   ;) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misspelling

We do not have any poisonous snakes in Tennessee. You can eat all of them. We do have a few species of venemous snakes however.

I have been looking for survival stores. The two I managed to find around Nashville were not in business anymore when I tried to get more details.   I'd love to see one but you need to be careful with your business plan, I suspect. Maybe don't pick somewhere with high overhead. People will be willing to travel to you (within reason) and make sure to have a mail-order/web-store going on as well.

You left out one:   In 2012 a Registered Democrat and Obama voter shot and killed Trayvon Martin.

Also, I don't think anyone has mentioned "Galipoli".  It was a rather stark piece about WW1 with a young Mel Gibson.

Ted Yost Heirloom Colt Government 1911

By the end of the night he will be hammered, broke and married to a 40 yr old country music wanna be who is only stripping until she gets her big break. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

There's a market for this. The key to any successful business is a solid customer service team and policy. sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

People have a right to buy and sell what they want that's the american way regardless of the product. Way I see it you have two choices buy it from the resellers or don't there's no need in crying and bitching because someone has seen a way to make money. If you don't want to pay inflated prices wait it out it'll settle down one day maybe. Some may call me a hoarder that's OK but I've been buying ammo powder bullets and primers way before this ever happened. Yes I have more than I'll ever need in my lifetime. One day it may become a lifesaver and bargaining power to survive, I hope not but I also don't see this country getting any better. sent from my RAZR Maxx HD using Tapatalk 2

Where does this end? If apartment complexes say no guns when do trailer parks do the same, or better yet when you purchase a home and pay home owner association fees? Or buy a condo in a high rise? Really we have a big fight on our hands in the future not just for gun control but also when the govt seizes our retirement funds to pay off the nations debt. Its coming folks mark my words I don't know when but it will happen. Do some searches where other governments in other countries have already done the same. sent from my RAZR Maxx HD using Tapatalk 2

I know what you are saying but I can't help but point out that if you really think you own a mortgaged house or a financed car just stop making payments for three or four months and I'll bet you'll find out otherwise.  ;)   Until you actually have a clear title in your hand and you don't owe anyone money for it you don't really own it; you just have permission to use it.  ;)

Dual, self-cleaning gas operated pistons make it one of the softest recoiling 12 gauges out there.  It's my wife's go to long gun of choice, and she's not a big person.   It's a gun the understands the difference between the trigger being pulled and the action being manually operated.   It's ghost ring sights are a welcome addition to a shotgun - especially with night sights.   Oh yeah.  7 in the tube, one on the elevator and 1 in the pipe make for 9 rounds of firepower.

Sonny they are completely worth it...

You need it. Benelli's are awesome.

  I think you'll find the business license thang to be very sketchy. Except for certain professions that require one from the state, they are handled by each county and city, and you'll find that there's really no penalty for not having one.   Sales and income tax are another matter, and of course every American is supposed to pay them. Right. Hope and Change has created the largest underground economy in history, at least for otherwise legal goods and services.   - OS

Don't see how it could. Like the Blackhawk the Charter headspaces on the shoulder of the round, doesn't accept moon clips, and the .380 is 4.5mm shorter, so hammer wouldn't touch primer. .380 would be pretty loose in chamber, might go off it you held it straight up or something, so that round slid back to hammer, dunno.     Love mine. 9mm sort of feels like .22mag through the thing. :)   - OS

  I didn't know that. I thought it was for standard race baiting and douchebaggery. Oh well, guess it doesn't matter now :)

Here is mine: I bought it a couple weeks ago off Gunbroker. It's not a typical Glock, it's their Professional Line, noted as "GL23PL, or PL23 for short. It's now my daily carry. I like it because with the included holster, you are guaranteed not to shoot yourself if it discharges negligently because of where it is pointed when holstered. And trust me, it discharges negligently a lot. It's worth it though because not only do these discharges replace my CW badge (because I no longer have to display that I have a gun when everyone can just hear rounds popping off in the distance while I am walking), but it also looks different too when I have to toss it to the ground shortly before being tackled to the pavement by the LEO's I now know by name. Top of its class though. Top of its class!

That 300 WM is my dream rifle.

I looked at them, and wanted them, but I figured someone needs them more than me. Just like the .40 ammo. I dont have a 40 and im not gonna hoard what I dont even need. Sent from the backwoods of Nowhere