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Lingo-wise, "quota" is verboten in LE circles.  "Stats driven" or "Standards" is in.  Metro Nashville and other agencies are 'ate up' with it.   Personally, I think it's just a crutch for lazy LE supervisors. Numbers don't tell the whole story.  I know what my people are doing...regardless of what a Stat Sheet says.   For instance, two different 3rd Shift officers...   #1 stays on the main roads and writes 5 tickets during his shift.  Yay. #2 listened in rollcall, heard about a neighborhood getting crushed with vandalisms and car burglaries, and makes it his mission that night (in between the calls-for-service he has to answer). At the end of the shift, he didn't catch anyone (white car with blue lights and POLICE all over it), but there were ZERO vandalisms and car burglaries that night.  Because of this, #2 didn't write any tickets.   Is #1 officer better than #2 officer?  "Stats Driven" says he is. I say no.

As a former Police Officer that has participated in high risk entries without having to dress up in tactical gear; I have always opposed this. The possibility of someone flushing some dope should never been a reason for putting people’s lives at risk.   High risk means just that. Unless someone’s life is in danger there is no reason to kick in a door in the middle of the night; especially when there is any chance you have the wrong house.   If you have to make entry it should be made by Officers in a standard Police uniform that people recognize.   What can you do? You can put this right at the feet on the only people responsible for it, and in every department that is one man or woman; the Chief or Sherriff.   We saw it happen with disastrous results right here in Lebanon a few years back; needless death of an innocent man because the Officers were not prepared or trained for what happened.   This reckless conduct puts the citizens and the Officers at a risk that cannot be justified in everyday use.  

I was better than this punk and I'd bet you were too.   Sure, I did some dumb things when I was 17 but I never did anything even remotely close to Trayvon's actions nor would my parents have tolerated that kind of thuggish behavior.  I don't consider that luck; I consider that the result of having parents rather then sperm and egg donors.

There is a phrase that comes to mind that is true and has been true for thousands of years; there are none so blind as those who will not see.

  That right there is why when I speed, I speed for real.  I've only had 3 speeding tickets my entire life, but I've always made it easy on the ticketing officer and myself.  I got one 5 years ago during the morning rush heading north on I-65 just north of Harding - absolutely beautiful commute, everybody, all four lanes, running 70+ mph in a 65 zone, no consideration whatsoever for HOV priveleges (stupid as all get out, but that's for another time).  I was running ~82 in the left lane with nothing but wide open space in front of me and got lasered by an unmarked car.  After I pull over, the officer comes to my window as says "What's the legal reason you were going 83 in a 65 mph zone?".  Me:  "Is there one?" :hat:

  Okay, let's take away the DL of every diabetic in the US.  That's bout 8% of the population.   If properly managed, passing out from diabetes is a low probability event.  Rather less likely than someone causing a wreck because they're too busy dicking around on their cell phone.

Since you started in Nashville, I'd recommend you head east.  There's plenty of small towns and plenty of land (small farms) for sale.  Personally, the further east you go, the better it gets.    TN, the patron state of shootin' stuff.  Generally discharge of a firearm is illegal within city limits, though I don't expect you'll have to worry about that.  Lots of public and some private ranges do not permit full auto fire or .50 BMG.  That's definitely something to check on.    The decent internet connection may cause some difficulty if you're really out in the sticks.  High speed broadband access is growing, but there's still lots of places where it's not available.  And the fact that you have to get it from the cable company make it worse.  Satellite internet is an option. 

And because it involves LEO a select few here will defend their actions no matter what, because they are "brothers". As a Marine, Iam in one of the tightest brotherhoods in the world. We always have each others back. But if a fellow Marine did something like that, I'd be the first to kick his ass and reccomend him for NJP. Brotherhood doesnt mean protecting bad apples and idiots. Thats why law enforcement is in the shape its in now. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

I thought this might be something that could be appreciated here. I have a forum dedicated to a make and model of automobile that I have been running for just shy of ten years. What and where isn't important. The who and how is. Through this forum for an obscure and discontinued nameplate I have made a close group of friends. Friends from all over the world. It is amazing how friends from a website can become friends through life. I have been hosting a small event for the last dozen years at Deal's Gap. We all get together, spends some time on the roads, get some cabins at Fontana and have a great weekend. Through this event and the activity on forum many of the folks I have met I have come to call friends, some, family. Officer Bruce Daniel Jacob of the Jackson Mississippi Police Dept. was one I considered family. I have known Bruce for several years through my forum. He became staff, eventually getting to be an administrator of the site within the last year. Bruce was an honest, giving man, and a damn fine mechanic. Several years ago I blew the engine in my car. Bruce happened to have a replacement engine sitting in his shop. It didn't take much and I wound up loading my car onto a trailer and driving from Knoxville, Tennessee to Jackson, Mississippi to spend the week with he and his wife and swap the engine in my car. That was the kind of man Bruce was. If you needed it and he had it, it was yours. That was why he became a police officer. He wanted to make a difference in the world. Even if it was one person. Bruce made a difference to a lot of people. Saturday afternoon Bruce was responding to a call of debris in the lanes of I-55 through Jackson. As Bruce was putting the barbecue grill someone had dropped into the trunk of his cruiser, he was struck and killed by a car. He was 35 years old. I just arrived home from attending his private family and friends only service on Tuesday. It was a small private ceremony, sans media attention or the fanfare of the pubic service that will be held Friday for a fallen hero. I was very emotionally moved to have been invited. Bruce was a dedicated public servant, a dedicated mechanic and a dedicated husband. The memorial reflected on all of these. However the moment that moved me the most was one photograph. It was of myself and Bruce taken those years ago in his shop, working on my car. It was then that I realized that not only had I considered Officer Bruce Jacob family, but he had considered me the same. Myself and a dozen other members of our internet family based on a forum dedicated to a nearly forgotten car came from all over the country to pay our respects to a man who was family in a way that only this modern technological age can define. I would like to end this with a plea to all that see anyone stopped on the side of the road, please, move over as much as you can. To our officers on the site, thank you for the risks you take on a daily basis to protect and serve. To any who have met someone on the internet and come to call them a friend, I think you can understand this. I have been on this site only a few years, but I have met several of you in person, and consider you friends. I know that some of you are very close. I think you would understand this. I will now put the picture that means the world to me. Rest in Peace Officer Bruce Daniel Jacob.

Can anyone explain why they would put her face-down on hot pavement anyway just for being unresponsive?  Why not just put her in the back of the crusier like I've seen them do to people who were clearly off their meds and hurling every curse word in the book.  She was in a car accident and doesn't look like a professional athlete.  It doesn't take an EMT to think, "Hey, she might be hurt."   While I won't call it abusive, it certainly appears to be uncaring.  Adds to that us vs. them perception that I thought police forces around the nation are trying to repair.  I guess these guys didn't get the memo.

Sounds more like Klingon. Japanese and German. Both the language of the pissed off. You can read a love poem in either one and it sounds like somebody is fixin to kill someone!

  Big difference between a whole police force of officer friendlies, and having a little common sense. If the womens plates came back as a felony warrant, or violent to officers thats one thing. Treating normal citizens like criminals, as more and more cops do everyday, is not acceptable. Police officers are hated and looked down upon because the majority of LEO interactions lead to this type of attitude. To many times I have seen a police officer drive right by someone with a flat tire, or car problems. No they are not repairmen, but an offer to call someone to help them would go a long ways. If cops wanna be liked, they need to lose the chip on their shoulder, the us vs them attitude, and start punishing those who do stupid stuff. You say a lawsuit would ruin his career? I say the man has no business being an LEO if that is how he conducts himself in that situation. It doesnt matter whether she had worse injuries or not because of their actions. The potential was there. If you discharge a firearm at a person, but miss, should you be turned loose because you didnt hit them and they sustained no injuries?

Police should get paid considerably more than what they are for several reasons. There are the obvious reasons, of course, but in addition to that, higher pay would attract more applicants thereby allowing departments to be more selective. Law of averages; the bigger the pool you pull from the more access to better quality. There are plenty of folks that would otherwise be in law enforcement who choose not to because they can't support their family on the pay. There are plenty of great cops that go into law enforcement for the best reasons and suffer the pay, and there are also the bad kind that go in for very, very wrong reasons. I don't think sense of duty and wanting to earn better wages are mutually exclusive.

  Good point, sounds like both were doing a good job.  I had rather see an officer on patrol where bad things have been happening than writing tickets if I have to choose one or the other.  That proactive approach won't yield tickets or likely even contact and you can't prove a negative (police were in the neighborhood so there was no crime) but you know that if the thieves and vandals were out that night their night did not go as planned.

TMF hit the issue square on the head.  This is the answer...  This is the root of what is being hoped for and politiced for:     The same thing wuz said in knoxville.  Its simply another hopeful attempt to make law abiding folks think twice about arming themselves and make them more apt to take a beating, rape, or a robbery without resisting.  It's disgusting.   leroy

looks like the primer seating rod got out of line, or pushed with to much force, or the crimp rod got off center, or to much force.   in others words the machine that seats and crimps the primers got out of line.  it should not/will not hurt in the shooting of them.  you will have to cut more of the crimp out than normal if you are going to reload them.

The only way I can figure that folks oppose stand you ground laws is that they don't want people to shoot the gangbangers they provided a womb for. There is no other logical reason I can come up with. On another note, I still can't believe how stupid Americans are that SYG is still synonymous with the Trayvon Martin killing when it had nothing to do with it. So this is what I can gather: 1. In the early days of this case SYG was referenced, and the media burrowed this into the story like a tick. 2. Liberals saw the opportunity to change pro-carry legislation, so they kept the SYG debate in the forefront, using the Martin case as their soapbox, even though they knew one had nothing to do with the other. 3. In a way to poetically weave their agenda into racial tensions, SYG became the villain against black youths, and the liberals exploited the incorrect perception that somehow the legislation is responsible for white people killing young black men, thus galvanizing the movement against SYG. 4. The assault continues as low information voters label any facts or evidence contrary to the narrative as "racist" while at the same time supporting a theory that innocents should have less rights than the criminals who do them harm. On the bright side, this racist thing really seems to be losing its bite. I would think that it would go away altogether, but then some idiot shows up and makes a comment about fried chicken and watermelon which only reaffirms what the libtards have been saying all along about our side. We can't expect both sides of this to make it solely about the facts, but if we could just make our side about the facts as opposed to a few folks injecting true racism into the mix then our logic would be undeniable.

Come and take them, by God.

If I had a longer beard and bigger hammer, I'd look like this: sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

I've been going there since it was Gillian's and have never once carried.... they got booze!

I'm just worried about my family, friends, and people who don't take this seriously. +1 for this ^^^

Just doing a quick Google search on Block4Trayvon, Twitter shows a lot of people really wanting to up the effect over the ones last week. Hope y'all are safe and I know you'll stay aware. I'm just worried about my family, friends, and people who don't take this seriously.

That’s non-sense; you don’t leave a drunk in physical control of a vehicle. They either get out of the vehicle or they are physically removed.

  Barrel is too heavy on an American gun for his English wrist!   :rofl:

Interesting, wish I could afford to load that much

I'm planning on a stress reducing range day Friday. Gotta sight in the new Tavor if Nashville Armory's rifle range is back open.... all I'm saying

Nah, tis a peg leg............ with a shoe.

Well, you have a lot of people who seem to think getting a ticket for 51 in a 45 means a cop is out to get them and fill a quota. I mean, never mind the fact the sign CLEARLY says 45. Lol. People seem to think laws only apply to others. I told a cop here in town a while back I had discovered a way to never get caught speeding again. No amount of laser/radar or pacing would ever catch me! Do the dang speed limit and you'll never catch me sucka! He laughed. .....it's true. If you wanna save money, spend less. If you wanna avoid tickets, obey the traffic laws. Its a pretty startling revelation ain't it?

    ORSA is the place for high power. 

Twinkie malfunctions are a common occurrence in my tactical drills. I find that carbo loading gives me stomach aches.     Not sure what that video accomplishes? :confused:

None of us know all the facts, just what the media wanted us to see. They successfully make it appear that a potentially injured victim was man-handled by the cops and her flesh seared on the scalding pavement and the lynch mob takes the bait every time.   I'm not even going to dignify the "scalding pavement" claim with a response beyond saying the avg. temp that day was 10 degrees hotter in Nashville than it was in Santa Fe and my flesh would not be seared to the pavement in 60 seconds. I'm not saying it was cool and soothing, but it wasn't "fry an egg on it" hot either.   Those few seconds of footage don't show everything that happened. If anyone thinks it's SOP for cops to drag accident victims from a car and cuff them, I don't think we can continue to communicate on an intelligent level. The worst cops out there would not risk further injury to someone just because they thought she was drunk.  Some of you act like it's impossible that they observed signs of her being ambulatory and/or seemingly uninjured inside the car.   For all we know she may have been moving around inside, appearing to almost anyone to be drunk, too drunk to open the door or comply with commands. Regardless, she wasn't dragged out roughly and slammed on the ground. I guess they're supposed to ask a non-responsive suspect (which is what she appeared to be to them) until they finally comply and remove themselves from their vehicle?

You can't always judge just by a trailer.  That said, going solely by the trailer, I think it looks like Season 4 has the potential to be better than Seasons 2 & 3 combined.  I can't wait!   Funny thing, Dennis 1209, is that Carl is probably my second favorite character on the show right now (Daryl being the first.)  To my mind, how he acted and what he did and said were exactly right.  Father or not, Rick kept telling Carl how he couldn't be a little kid anymore, how the world they knew was gone, etc. but wouldn't get his head out of his own ass and listen to his own words.   In a post-apocalyptic world, anyone who invades my home with the intent of killing me and mine then does not drop their weapon and stop but holds onto their weapon and continues walking toward me would certainly get shot.  Carl did the right thing in shooting that guy.  In fact, the only fault I could find was that, IMO, he should have shot the guy sooner and not let him continue advancing.  Maybe Herschel won't accept that they can't always cut their enemy any slack and maybe Rick won't let go of being 'officer friendly' and accept that survival sometimes mean not being a nice guy - especially to people who just tried to kill you - but Carl knows from straight up.  Rick needed a bit of a 'wake up call' and Carl did the right thing by issuing a verbal smackdown.  Everything Carl said was true.  Dale did die because Carl didn't shoot that walker when he should have.  Lori and T-Dog did die because Rick didn't kill that inmate when he should have.  Merle did die because Rick didn't kill the Governor when he should have (and so did Andrea, for that matter.)   If Rick wants Carl to act like an adult, to take on the responsibilities of an adult and conduct himself as an adult then he needs to respect Carl's instincts and treat him like an adult.  That means treating him like an adult all the time, not just when it suits Rick, and not start lecturing him like he would a little kid at other times.  What Rick should have said was, "From where Herschel was standing, he didn't think it was necessary to kill that guy.  Are you sure you didn't have a choice?"  Then when Carl answered in the affirmative, Rick should have said, "Well, I wasn't there so I am going to trust your judgement on that.  I'm just glad you all got back safely."  And that should have been the end of it.   Carl is a good guy with a strong, moral foundation.  He isn't a heartless killer - heck, he risked his own life to single-handedly bring Tyreese's group out of the 'tombs'.  He has simply accepted that he can't always be nice, kind or forgiving if he wants to live and see that the people for whom he cares live, as well.  Carl is also not insane.  Fact is, as he seems to be willing to accept the full reality of their situation and not live in a fantasy world where everything is somehow going to be rainbows and unicorns if only everyone is nice to each other, he might one of the more sane members of the group.  Certainly more sane than Rick for the majority of the last season.   Finally, if Rick wants Carl to respect him then he should act like someone who deserves respect, not some half-crazed moonbat who can't decide whether he should crap or whistle Dixie.  There was more than one occasion in Season 3 where Carl was protecting or taking care of Rick and where Carl was acting more like the adult and Rick was acting more like a little kid throwing tantrums so I believe that Carl had earned the right to tell Rick how it really is.  That is the way I see it, anyhow.   One of my favorite lines in the comic comes after Carl goes missing (actually, he stows away in an enemy's truck, all alone, with the intent of killing their leader.)  One character says that she is worried about Carl.  Another character replies that the only people who need to worry about Carl are the ones who cross him.

1.  FAL 2.  M14 3.  G3   I have carried and fired all three in their military issued configuration.  Today I own all three in their semi-auto civilian version.    -  The FAL is the best overall battle rifle due to its ergonomics, ease of maintenance, tough reliability and "minute-of-chest" accuracy.  It does everything well. -  The M14 is the most accurate battle rifle due to its great trigger and outstanding sights.  A very good choice for a DMR. -  The G3 will shoot any sorry-ass ammo that you can put in it, it does not care.  Has poor ergonomics for "running the gun" and the most felt recoil.   None of them are worth a SH*T firing full-auto. All of them are heavy to carry as well as the ammo to feed them (one of the reason that the Infantry is a young man's sport).    JMHO....., but based on my real experiences with each weapon.

I don't do pissing matches, but consider 2 things. 1) intimidation begins when your rights are violated or Infringed upon. I this case, your right to travel safely to and from a destination have been taken away from you and hundreds or thousands of others. 2) if your wife and kids/family member/friend is in need of medical aid, and they are headed to the hospital and are stopped or the medics are blocked from getting to you or them, By this mob of people on the interstate with no option to turn around, or proceed unimpeeded to the hospital, do you just consider this an inconvenience of some friendly protestors or has your right to medical attention. Or I impeded travel been violated? Violent or not, that's domestic terrorism at its finest. And as far as lethal force, I didn't say anything about drones or snipers. I will use lethal force to protect me and mine. If I had a drone, and the situation required it, yes I just might use it :-)

Drunk or not or whether there is a history of this on her part is irrelevant to the treatment she should receive after an accident. If a drunk gets into a crash and injure themselves it doesn't mean they deserve more injury at the hands of officers. It would be different if the drunk was trying to get away or was combative. Obviously she was neither, so why take a woman who may need medical attention or may be suffering from a medical condition, leave her face down on the pavement and walk away? Not as if I have sympathy for drunk drivers, but the officers still have a professional job to do and I don't think that is what I'm seeing here. Of course, the other side of the coin is that these officers are people too and they make mistakes. This may be a relatively small mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. When stuff like that happens the public deserves to hold their public servants responsible. Then the other thing is to ask yourself a question, "what if this was your wife or daughter?" I realize that is an emotionally charged question, but I think we would all be seeing red if we saw a family member suffering a serious medical condition being left on the hot pavement face down.

Can't be...op said he's seen one before

We don't need no stinkin quotas!!

A quiet woman?

Not defending the cops actions here. I've been around severe insulin reactions, where the blood sugar level drops to the point of brain damage. It's hard to tell that condition from extreme drunkenness. 

This woman ran right into the guy stopped at a light. Why was she driving, she could have killed him? Did she not know she had this condition? What appears to be a drunk fails to respond to orders and is forcible removed from physical control of the vehicle. She went limp after an accident; they probably should have waited for paramedics before moving her off that hot azz pavement.

Lets defend piece of shit cops to the end so that they know no matter what they do, their brother has their back. Reminds me of a lot of gangs... Tapatalk ate my spelling.

I am in no way supportive of OWS and I agree with the juries decision on the Zimmerman case, but please do not try to confuse or equate OWS actions with Terrorism. In no way are their actions anything close to those of suicide bombers, 9/11, Ted Kaczynski or Timothy McVeigh. The more we loosely use this term, the more power we give the government to abuse this term to attack its own citizens. Just google domestic violence and terrorism and you can see how this term can be misused. Civil unrest should not be confused with terrorism, that becomes a very slippery slope and a double edged sword. All I have to say on that. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I read it...I think the author missed the real point of the issue. It's not what weapons or vehicles or uniforms that cops have, it's doing these raids at all. I think most people can understand and support SWAT style raids when you have an active shooter; barricaded individual; hostages, etc...but not for someone with a dozen pot plants or any other non-violent situation (or where no one's lives are in imminent danger) these raids trample on our rights for no good reason.

Well, I had just gotten off work this morning and was headed home. Just crossed the interstate (exit 114) and i see a THP officer coming toward me, Thinking nothing of it, and i wasn't speeding or nothing, i still keep on, then see him turn a U-turn and turn his blues on right behoind me. I knew i had done nothing wrong, Pulled over, turned car off and rolled down the window all the way, had my DL and Permit ready. Handed those to him, being friendly and respectful( he was being respectful toward myself, I just did the same). Asked me where my weapon was, I told him and he told me i was doing everything like i was supposed to. Turns out he had pulled me over because i supposedly had a headlight out( just my fog light). Aftermarket headlights i had replaced a year earlier and no problems.   Other than that, I was a bit nervous. Haven't been pulled over for anything since i had the permit. But he let me off with a warning, thought my headlights were cool though.

Why bother to stop??? Zombies can't feel anything anyway... at least that's what the movies portray.

For some people, it's not another chore that needs doing, it's a hobby and a lifestyle of choice. Therefore, it's much like a TRUE Christian. If its all for naught, then in the end, nothing is lost because the journey was enjoyable. I actually USE a lot of what some call preps. I rotate food. I actually SHOOT my ammo instead of hoarding it up. I use the oldest and replace it with fresh goods. If this is all for nothing, so what? When I die, I won't care anyway. Maybe after I'm gone, what I've put away may make the difference between life and death to a man and his wife and kids. If I don't use what I tuck away and after I'm gone, some random dude saves the life of his little girl because he happened upon my stash or stuff then my labor was WELL worth my time.

  It's not worth opening ourselves to the lawsuit that would invariably arise from raising questions about their character.  We'll just skip that and move on to locating a better source.

Look....I'm 63 years old and given the chance I'm not going to allow some young buck to kick my ass. If I feel as if I'm in danger......well enough said.

There was a great article a few months ago on the issue of disparity of force and the simple answer is no, you don't have to be within seconds of death from a beating before you can respond with deadly force.  The problem is that many DAs and juries don't always understand the concept of disparity of force and/or don't care and will prosecute anyway and juries may convict anyway.   Remember, that in most states the standard is a "reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury"...but it might fall on you and your attorney to educate a DA and/or a jury about why the 200lb 60 year old was in reasonable fear for his life or injury from a beating he was getting from some unarmed 180lb 16 year old thug-want-a-be (especially when the thug-want-a-be's pictures on Facebook are all replaced with pics showing how cute he was when he was 12. ;)