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What is a patriotic American I wonder?   In this day and age there seems to be all kinds of Americans, liberal, conservative, left, right, Democrat, Republican, Independent, etc. What is a true American I'm wondering?   Does a true American believe in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence and future of this great nation and their prodigy, or want to change it for a utopian world and society? Give up our individual sovereign national freedoms and way of life for a one world global bow to the crown existence? Is that American?   Is it American to work your tail off to provide for you and your family, and by force of law, take what you earn in taxes and squander it for generational welfare or to foreign countries, both of which diminishes your ability to provide for your family?   Does a patriotic American or government strive to remove the Pledge of Allegiance from all schools and public gatherings? Remove all vestiges of reverence to God in the class room and public gatherings? Strive to remove all semblance of Christmas displays public and private unless all inclusive? Is that the America your forefathers would be proud of and got killed and maimed fighting for? Are we growing to big for our own britches and need put in our place?   I may be old fashion and out of touch with the political main stream but, I see our nation crumbling and going down the road to self destruction before my very own eyes. As said, “a house divided against itself can not stand”, and to me that says America.   In the last 100 years of our national sovereignty, knowledge and technology has exponentially increased and wisdom and common sense has exponentially decreased by the same amount. A little more than 100 years ago the fastest a person could travel was about 35 M.P.H. by horse back, and look at where we are today. Thousands of years of humans evolving on planet earth, then all of a sudden in 100 years, an explosion of knowledge. Go figure, but I do know why.   To name just a couple major recent historical changes in our society as reflected by law: A murderous rapist has more rights with the state than the victim and family of the deceased. The unborn have no legal or moral standing under U.S. Law and are disposed of as trash. Without naming specific crimes, hate laws have been passed for certain segments of society that makes us unequal in the eyes of the law. The government is calling good evil and evil good and calling for U.S. to embrace and celebrate it? What's wrong with this picture, or is it just me and my old views?   At my old age I had the opportunity to talk to many grandfathers, great-grandfathers and old timers who served in World War II. If I were old enough to personally talk to veterans of WW I and all the other wars previously fought for our nation, I'm sure their opinions would be united. I don't believe they would say they lost a limb(s), life, eye sight, mental capacity or disfigurement for the America we are and are on the road to. We are self destructing and a moral mess.   By a show of hands, how many of you respect the last measure of self your forefathers gave to preserve our way of life and want to preserve it, that of our great nation and our children's inheritance?   Or do you hope for a God-less one world government where the government dictates what's moral and what's not.

Homophobia:  An extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.  Absolutely NOT!  Its very simple, First, I fear God!  Second, I have a responsiblity as a parent to teach my children right from wrong. 

Good for the range. Actions have consequences and this is a consequence.

First gun?  I'll let you have 500 of mine at cost in that case.  PM inbound.

  Homophobia, what else?   Just because someone is gay does not make them a child molester.  Thinking that is about the height of ignorance.

Jim Cooper is my rep. I don't need to send him a letter to know why he didn't sign it.

Usually issued in a semi formal ceremony (at least mine were) while serving with that unit.   Tradition is huge part of being in the military.  A coin, while holding no value like our fiat money, holds value greater than gold to those that served.  This is why issues like stolen valor mean so much to those that served and are generally not of interest to the greater public as a whole.   Done correctly, a TGO coin could hold good value to those here.  Can't be purchased until a certain time being a member had been fullfilled and issued with a number that can be "striken from the roles" should that member catch a ban hammer. 

Since when do Chicago politicians care about what is legal and what is not? They are the biggest bunch of crooks in the country. 

What the politicians are attempting to do as far as gun control is stupid, but asking the leaders of our country to give up their protection is equally dumb. Their are more productive ways to address this issue.

I think our Liberal Retard friends are going to see a lot of consequences. Just not soon enough.

  They don't overestimate or underestimate; they flat out LIE.

  Many wild things raised in captivity don't want to be free, indeed can't even survive as free creatures.   Little Nanny State parallel therein?   - OS

  Gridlock is a good thing with the stuff this admin is pushing

Please tell me I can still like Clint Eastwood. I dont care if he talks to empty chairs, Josey Wales kicks ass.

When your body goes into full adrenaline dump all fine motor skills go as well as tunnel vision along with your hearing. You will not hear the gunshot but you will still suffer the temporary ringing when your body gets back to normal.   I would never shoot without hearing protection, indoors or out, any more. I used to when I was young and invincible and not I have a constant ringing because of it.   Dolomite

I'm with you 100%. I tire of hearing people use that to discribe every person that they don't like. We should really come up with something better and a little more demeaning like.... "What a steel guitar player!" Or "That guys dumber than a bag of studio musicians!" :0)

Meh.  Stallone and other celebrities are entitled to their opinions. I will still watch their movies.   To me, Hollywood actors are here it entertain me.  They are the court jesters.  Why in hell would I care what the court jester thinks.

Remember, the truth is always the truth regardless of timing or delivery.   I'm 66 years old and ive never seen the divide any deeper nor the rancor any nastier than it is now between the opposite sides of the political spectrum.  It's time to tell the truth.  These people want to disarm you and me; while keeping their arms and bodyguards.  It's nothin more that the social darwinism thing that wuz popular in the early 1900s. At its core; it says: "....We the elites are smarter and more responsible than you less evolved "ordinary citizens"; therefore we'll TELL YOU what's good for you and make you abide by it, because we are "more advanced beings; and you are too ignorant to know what's good for you; so we'll disarm you and threaten you with the power of the state to keep you in line....".     I wouldn't worry about offending these sons and daughters of satan.  They are tryin to disarm you and make you a serf while tellin you that that's not what their doing.  Finestein just as well have been standing on the caskets of the kids murdered at Newtown when she started this show.  It's political opportunism, pure and simple.    Remember, political figures are "public figures".   That's a choice they make goin into politics.  They bring their families along with them, and should have no expectation of privacy for themselves or their family members.  They may try "theatrics" and "feigned outrage" at those who criticize or point uncomfortable things out publically; demanding that family be "off limits" ALA Clinton and Nobama.  I say "baloney".  It's a "red herring"; they know better.  It's nothin but an opportunity to try to divert the conversation from the real issue to a side issue that really means nothing for tactical advantage. Dont get drug off in the woods with this baloney; that's what it is. The republicans criticized Truman's daughters piano playin ability; the demorats called Lincoln the "Illinois Baboon; the demorats said Bush wuz dumb.   They just may have been right on all counts.  They were, in fact, "unkind on all counts" and meant to be.  Politics is a tough business.   I say: "...The hell with most all of them... Theyve asked for this, let it be...".     Remember the great quote from a real hero and giant of politics, Fredrick Douglas: "...I will always join with those who are doing right, and never join with those who are doin wrong...".  That's exactly where we are today.  I refuse to turn on and "eat" those who are tryin to help in this battle.  I would advise you and others in the kindest way possible, not to do so either.   We're well past the point of worryin about hurting feelings and worryin about timing.  This one is for all the marbles.   leroy

  I say we just stop resisting and give them all of our bullets.

Looks like we need to start doing a little pressuring of our own. We can contact the firearms manufacturers just like we do our representatives.

David, Have you ever had any decals printed of the TGO logo? I didn't see any in the store, but I'd sure put one on my truck if you had them. Be a great conversation starter at the range. Any chance of that happening?

Nice little video from a news station in Cincinnati    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83014609/

Would it be better for everyone if they had a Gay BSA separate from the BSA? I'm not homophobic, but i know a lot of parents are uncomfortable having gay children around their children.   Oh, wait they did that with segregation back before my time. I don't think it should matter if a person is gay or not, just because someone is gay dosen't mean they are interested in the straight kids.   When i was in scouts we never had this problem. If there was a problem, it was hid very well.

not ashamed to say that as a father of a 6 year old boy who is the light of my life, this video brought a tear to my eye, and that man deserved a standing O from that entire room

How do you think those in power, stay in power? They are the so called "masters", do as they say and not as they do. For the Nanny state knows what is best for us and when we are dependent on government for security, it gives government an excuse for existing.   The more people realize they do not need government for everything, the less powerful government becomes.

Looks like just Roe, Blackburn, and Duncan from TN   Only 77 of 432 currently installed.   Assuming they are all GOP, so that's also only 77 of 232.   Not all that rosy, seems.     - OS

  Its a throw back to the old days, mountain men used to wear them. They are just a simple, long wool coat, that is extremely warm and comfy.

Diane Black was also absent.  I am waiting for her response.

and we can rid ourselves of these anti-American Liberals in one election cycle if the People wake up!

Call now if you haven't already........ their offices are still open. :usa: It's time to OVERWHELM them with support for the 2A. I will say that it made me feel good that I had to keep calling because the lines were busy. I hope it's fellow 2A supporters!

I saw this at SHOT... definitely cool engineering, but I have to wonder about what kind of market research SIG did before building this.  I'm just not sure what the target market is supposed to be.  The subgun is all but gone in military use, and rapidly fading out of LE use as well.  I'm sure there will be some buyers for a US-legal version, but even if they do manage to get one imported, it will be expensive, and competing against rifle caliber stuff just in like the Mil/LEO market.  One possible thought is that the Russians have been doing some pretty cool stuff with AP 9mm ammo... it's possible that such ammo would allow for a gun like this to compete with PDWs like the P90 and MP7... I don't know.  I wouldn't kick one out of my gun safe, but I'm perfectly happy with my 9mm AR pattern gun.

***PLEASE NOTE I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT AND APPRECIATE OUR TROOPS AS WELL AS OUR UNDERPAID HARDWORKING POLICE FORCE WHO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR OUR SAFETY*** What organization profits most when thing are illegal??? Who do you think allots more revenue in the drug world? This guy: Or these guys: Whom ultimately pays for it ALL!?

That idiot would be this guy - http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57566014/professor-take-our-country-back-from-the-constitution/   A Professor who's teaching our kids.   Just another closet socialist, expect to see him make a move into politics. Heck, as soon as BHO hears about him he's libel to get a cabinet position or be JoeBlunders VP choice for 2016.   Sad shape we are in indeed.

If I was looking for a sig 9mm I'd look for an old P228 before they beefed up the frame for the P229, but that's just my personal opinion on the "best" sig in 9mm.     The fullsize P226 is probably what your wanting if you wanna 'step up'

Punching through isn't the issue, sagging is. People are considered "dynamic loads" as they don't sit in the same spot for years. The safe will sit in the same spot for years and years. The floor will begin to sag and pull the adjacent walls with it.... the sheetrock will crack, doors won't swing or shut properly anymore, and it's easily prevented. As Lester suggested, some blocking between the joists, a post footer, and a floor joist jack. Should cost less than $100 and take a couple hours to do. Blocking between joists and they've laminated additional joists to the existing ones. Floor jack post.

I have seen this magician's trick used by the media before, when they were filming Muslims protesting. They announce "There were THOUSANDS of protesters marching in Washington DC." Then they show film footage of protesters. The film footage that I am seeing shows no more than a few dozen to maybe a couple of hundred. They do this to create the illusion that there were thousands of people marching, when it truth, the numbers were not there. If there had really been thousands of people in Washington, they would have filmed from a higher location and panned the crowd to show it's immenseness. What they did was shoot low angle shots of the protestors so you really couldn't tell how many there were. Unless someone can give me some concrete numbers or better film footage, I would say that the turn out was much less than expected. The liberal media does not want us to know that so they "wagged the dog" on us. With less than expected support for gun control and gun sales sky rocketing, I see a weakness that can be exploited. IMHO, a lot of Americans are turning away from the anti-gun crowd. If we keep the pressure on we can win this fight. Even on CNN's website their video shows a few hundreds of protestors at the most. I see one shot where there might be 500 people in it. Have gun Will Carry.  

  Ah, but you couldn't have come up with it without the years of influence from Carnac the Magnificent, eh?   - OS

If not a curse word, I seem to use the term "twat waffle" most often.   Edit: Silly filters...starts with a "T" ends with a "wat".

    You have to look outside of the bible and into other text's to understand calling someone a Nimrod.  I think this sums up several of our elected leaders very well  "He also gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his power"  from the book of Jubilees.

Buddy o mine who works at a small airport in New Orleans called me a while back. Said The USMC Commandant (apologies if I misspelled that) came through his airport and gave him some kinda weird coin that didn't look like it was currency but did look valuable. He had no idea what it was. I told him to hold on to it as he got a freaking challenge coin from the freaking USMC COMMANDANT. On a side note, from what I've learned about the challenge coin stuff, even if the other person is able to present it the higher ranking coin wins and is still owed a drink.

I've always been partial to F**ktard, toolshed and assclown   On a sidenote (and i really hate to point this out) but does this have anything to do with your last name being "Douchette"  :)

... where's ole' Joe McCarthy when we really need him...

Think my fiancée could give me a pass on my own wedding to come to this?!?! Sadly probably not so see you guys another time!

I'm just curious. What's a tax refund? Don't think that I've ever seen one.

Wow...very jelious!

Scores posted to the website:  http://www.mctsclub.com/Match%20Results/2013/2013-01-27.htm   Glad to see each of you out there.  Hope to see you for our next match which is an intro to competition shooting match.  MATCH: Intro to Competition Shooting - Saturday February 2nd, 2013 Round count: 115 pistol rounds minimum 5 Stage match: 1 Limited, 1 Vickers, 1 Steel Challenge, 1 Run n Gun, 1 Outlaw Steel   For those that are having trouble finding ammo, I have secured factory 9mm ammo to sell at the range at cost.  This is not for hoarders but for shooters attending the match.  100 rounds to shoot the match and another 100 rounds so that you will have it for the next match.  I am working on 40 S&W and 45 ACP.   

  Good on you. Would likely have done same if he were local to me.   - OS

I think if they restrict U.S. Citizens from purchasing any firearms or magazines, then the restriction should be for all. That includes LE, the Feds, Hollywood, etc...  Everyone, means EVERYONE!

  Beards save lives and aren't part of the kit reduction that Kyle is advocating.

The only thing keeping me preoccupied is hockey (finally!) and my quest at getting reloading components.