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Manufacturers shouldn't give an inch, here.  They'd be missing out on a few sales, but ought to stand on principle.   "I'm sorry upstate New Yorker.  You can't buy this Glock, Sig, or whatever because we're not going to bow to political theater by making reduced capacity magazines."   Only when people realized that they can't have something they want will enough people get motivated enough to do something.  Maybe then they'll start electing some people that actually make some sense.

This is how the left plays hardball, folks. This is why there can NEVER be any compromise.

  Imagine if all manufacturers created an "embargo" with New York. Imagine if Glock, SIG, etc all decided to not sale anything to NY. Imagine the NYPD attempting to purchase duty weapons and getting turned down. 

In Criminology we learned of the "Balloon Effect" in reference to anti-crime efforts. Take a balloon that is half full of air and push your finger into it. What happens? The balloon will sink in around your finger but rise everywhere else. Those that study crime trends have proven this over and over. Focus on efforts on burglaries and robberies will go up, etc. If we close the loophole the not-so-nice people will still get their hands on guns- by breaking into homes, stores, cars, etc, and taking them.

3,000 rds. 9mm ammo - check!

I have no words. I am filled with disgust.

I hope Remington closes today and announces a move South.

WalMart also stopped selling Chirstmas trees. I went in yesterday to get one and they were out. The clerk said they weren't ordering any more. I found gas grills and garden hoses in their place, so they aren't even holding shelf space for them any more.

I hope every gun manufacturer moves from states like NY and IL. Moreover, I believe it is time that the manufacturers ban together and start refusing sale and service to states that pass and support such nonsense. Ronnie Barrett did that in CA and I cannot tell you how much I appreciate that man.

  Well, let's see -- it wasn't understood in 1935, 1968, 1986, 1993, or 1994, but this time will be different?   - OS

We need to send letters of support and signed petitions to support an impeachment if Obama uses EO on 2A rights! :up:    

I would rather be an outlaw than a victim!

I'm more worried about the shitshorm tomorrow.   Dolomite

Most politicians are nothing more than actors so it would make sense. I can't think of a single representative that wasn't acting during their campaign.   Dolomite

I'd rather hit myself in the face with my 24 lb hammer than try to make sense of that crap. Now I know why I stay away from twitter....

We can't get a decent carry bill or a parking lot bill. Please don't tell me THIS surprises you.

  Mary bedwetter needs to swallow her bottle of xanax... all at once.

 Atleast one senator made some sense.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Psgcbqb4vU8

I agree the timing is a little messed up but my cow. Somebody dropped the ball. If someone was against guns they were that way before this game came out. It's just more grandstanding. I am not going to walk on eggshells for these idiots. There is nothing that can be done to please them that doesn't involve banning guns so why try? They have us doing everything we can to keep them from throwing a fit. They are just like spoiled children. And they know it!!! They are using it and it is working. I don't know about you but I'm tired of cowering and begging to keep what few rights I have when they have no place to remove them to start with! It's time we tell them how it's going to be for once!!  Rant over....very frustrated

Registration inevitably leads to confiscation.  I would fight it as I would fight confiscation.   Would I support a simple "phone in, no firearm info, no fee" check?  Certainly, as long as you can assure me there will be no lasting record of any sort.  As Congress couldn't get the NCIS center to destroy their daily backups, I kind of doubt you can assure me of that - but feel free to try!  I feel certain most gun owners would give it a whirl, just for peace of mind.  I am equally certain the criminal element will continue to get their firearms as before - burglary and straw purchases, usually - and won't be bothered by this in the least.   Purchase permit?  It isn't "shall not be greatly infringed".  It says "shall not be infringed".  Now why do you suppose?    Again, this law is predicated on the belief that criminals can be trusted to obey the law, but law abiding citizens can't, and therefore must be tracked, registered, permitted.   In short, NO.

Good read:   [url]http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52402[/url]

Everytime I see a "STOP" sign, I try to collaborate and listen.

  NY "Republicans" are akin to TN Democrats.  RHINO's

Here is a debate between a pro gun advocate and an anti gun news reporter that is very good and worth watching. Be sure and watch the last 5 minutes.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ECxDvwObwZk

It seems to me, that if a gun sale is between two Tennessee residents, the federal government should have no jurisdiction of that sale since no state lines were crossed. Tennessee state laws should be the only ones relevent.

I have mixed feelings on this topic. Since %40 of all guns are supposedly purchased without a background check I find it hard to believe that by eliminating private sales it wouldn't help keep the guns out away from certain people. Obviously there is no way to do this without infringing on the rights of everyone else.   Remember, a lot of these nut job are cowards. I don't think they would have the balls to break into a house or car to steal a firearm. I also don't believe that the crime rate will drop dramatically once private sales are outlawed.   One thing I would be ok with is only allowing private sales between people who both have their HCP/CCW. I also like the idea of private sales being done at your local PD with a background check provided by them at little to no charge. Obviously this may not be feasible.      Like I said, I have really mixed feelings. I can see both sided of the argument. 

Perhaps they will put them all to reloading ammo, a whole new Walmart industry!   - OS

I guess what I mean is I don't want a private business to regulate the cost of a personal sale. I already do this for guns I have shipped in the mail and have to drive 45 minutes because one local gun shop won't do it and the other charges $100. You have to think big picture, not just within your corner where you have the benefit of a dealer with a degree of ethics.

Closing "loopholes" as the antis want it will absolutely restrict my ability to buy sell and force me to be at the whim of a private business when it comes to that. Perhaps if it was done through your local LEO at no charge I wouldn't be so vehemently against it, but if they changed the law it would be an additional 50 bucks (or a lot more since gun stores could really stick it to you then) just to purchase an item. There has to be a responsible way we can restrict sales to felons without screwing over law abiding citizens, but the latter doesn't seem to be a concern.

"Insiders say Cuomo, who is believed to harbor aspirations to run for the White House in 2016, wants to seize the political high ground following Newtown by having New York pass measures aimed at reducing gun violence before such a step can be taken by Congress or any other state." If you plan to run for President then supporting something like this is the quickest way to end your chance.

Actually, this may turn out to be our opportunity to put a stake through the heart of "sporting purposes".  I think imports are going to be his main angle of attack.   I'll also hazard a w.a.g. that he'll try to go after domestic magazines and rifles as 'destructive devices', and claim he can do this through a rule change by F troop.  Likewise for 'armor piercing' ammo.  Suddenly rifle ammo will fall under this.  He may attack ammo through the EPA.   I foresee lots of lawsuits arising, especially from the Second Amendment Foundation.  They asked to be present at Bidens' little clambake and were refused.

None of my travel plans include New York.

Basically the middle of the country without the ends and some of the Great Lakes states.

My Grandfather use to say that a Republican was nothing more than a rich Democrat.

Great! Costs us almost nothing and got more firepower roaming around.

Persons who committed a violent crime as a juvenile would be prohibited from firearm purchase until age 30. Persons convicted of 2 or more crimes involving drugs or alcohol within a three-year period would be prohibited from firearm purchase for a period of 10 years. Persons convicted of a single drug-trafficking offense would be prohibited from gun purchase. Persons determined by a judge to be a gang member would be prohibited from gun purchase.   Wow.  That'll fix Chicago for sure!

  What makes you so sure? Half the gun owners at work seem to be perfectly fine with whatever might come. Hell, they voted for Obummer.   No one cares enough to do anything once this happens. NFL Football and American Idol are far more important.

CZ's and HighPowers are beautiful to me. The absolutely most beautiful is the Bren Ten.   Dolomite

This is why I won't even answer the door anymore.  If it isn't someone I know, they can just keep knocking.  I live in a neighborhood with way too many solicitors (half shady).

Lighten up Francis

I would not support legislation.   If you are worried only sell to someone with a HCP or go to your local FFL and transfer it that way.   You can do that now if you are worried.   Seems like a new tax coming to me, a well as registration to see what I am doing.

if the law would change anything in regard to criminal actions I might be persuaded that it is good.   It will not stop the criminal from acquiring a gun.  So what is the point?

Closing the loophole is a registration scheme. I can guarantee you that if every gun transferred is ran across a computer data base, at some point that data base will be used against gun owners.

  Couldn't agree more!  It passed in the NY senate 45-18 or something along those lines.   Political Suicide in my opinion.  He cares nothing about stopping gun violence, and cares only about lining his pockets for political donations to make a run for 2016. 

I say go ahead and start the impeachment process over bengazi and F&F. That will start the MSM's heads spinning in the opposite direction therby shifting focus away from gun control. Best case... impeahment. Worst case...... well I guess we could loose the house in 2014, so nevermind, lol

Just checked mine.  It said to tell the gun grabbers to eat shit.

While a firefighter I responded to a shed on fire... seems heat lamps were in use, according to the owner (although most people would call them grow lamps). Anyway there was quite a bit of handgun and riffle ammo involved. The biggest problem we had were the casings which came flying off at a pretty good speed once the powder cooked off.They didn't seem to have any real power but as Farmun said it was quite nerve-wracking!

I think the law is intentionally vague so they can charge who they want and who they don't.    

Husband of a wife who teaches and hopes she can carry soon as well