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Saw this from TN state rep Jeremy Faison today: "I am proud to have introduced legislation today, along with Sen. Frank Niceley, that no state funds or resources will be expended to confiscate firearms should the federal government order such confiscation or limitation. I agree that it is past time for the state governments to reaffirm their parental responsibilities envisioned by our founding fathers over an out of control federal government."   I cant link to a bill yet - GA website doesn't have any house bills posted yet, and the Senate version isn't up either.

I really wish we could just not cheapen the unfortunate death of one of the industry's brightest by hanging a bunch of tinfoil tinsel off of it.  Just once.    No offense meant toward you, but I've seen this theory and the theory that he was killed because of the metallurgical patent he had just registered for long life machine gun barrels, etc. both posted elsewhere.  The conspiracy stuff ramped up almost as quickly as the news of his untimely death began to spread on the Internet.   Folks, if I die anytime soon it's probably because I didn't lead the healthiest of lifestyles.  Too many cheese burgers, too much bourbon, not enough salads or herbal teas.  It's not because I run a large pro-gun forum for the residents of Tennessee.  Please remember that.

Haha, Chicago. They think they're people.

A dearly dense friend of mine asked me to explain the logic behind my opposition to the so-called Assault Weapons ban to him.  Because of his stance on guns the argument was going nowhere, so I changed tactics and did some quick research to present the Assault Weapons Ban logic in a slightly different light.  I thought you'd get a kick out of it:     Facts: In 2011 there were 32,267 automotive-related deaths in the United States. To put that into perspective - that's roughly 89 people dying in motor vehicle accidents each and every day or just over 10 motor vehicle deaths for every 100,000 people in the United States according to the handy chart on Wikipedia.   57% of motor vehicle accidents are caused soley by human/driver factors.  Again, thanks Wikipedia. (Note: This doesn't mean that human factors weren't involved in other wrecks - many were a combination of human and environmental factor that this % DOES NOT INCLUDE) 41 Million speeding tickets are issued each year in the United States.  These numbers came from the Department of Motor Vehicles website. According to a study at Monash University - driver/human reaction times (a leading accident-causing factor) reduce significantly as speed increases.  It was a boring read, at 60 pages long but that was the long and short of it. The dictionary (remember those?) defines a Sports Car as "a low-built car designed for performance at high speeds".   Conclusions: High speed causes reduced reaction time which causes accidents, which cause motor vehicle deaths.  In short: High Speed causes Motor Vehicle Deaths Posted speed limits are not enough to stop this threat - signs do not stop people from speeding or there would not be 41 million speeding tickets issued each year. There is no reason to own a sports car EXCEPT to drive at high speeds.  Their low passenger- and cargo- capacities make them unsuitable for daily driving or commuting.  They are literally designed to travel at high speed. If High Speed = Reduced Reaction Time = Motor Vehicle Accidents = Motor Vehicle Death then Sports Cars are designed for death. Additional Facts:   Roughly 50% of the US owns guns (between 45% and 55% depending on the study I looked at).   Roughly 75% of the US own cars (between 70% and 80% depending on what study I read) Cars were involved in 32,267 deaths in 2011. Guns were involved in 8,775 deaths in 2011 Guns were used to save 2.5 million lives in the US in 2011 I could find no data on how many lives cars had saved in 2011 Only 50% more people own cars than than in 2011 yet cars killed 367% more people than guns. Even if the numbers I found are wrong and 100% of Americans own cars - that's a 100% increase in ownership for a 367% increase in fatalities - yet I don't see anyone lobbying for Sports Car Control.  I realize there are HUGE holes in this logic - and I'm not presenting it as a serious argument to ban sports cars - but instead intended to put the argument in perspective (glaring logic holes and all).   Hopefully I got a smile out of at least someone.

Excellent article.  Napolitano is one of the few good things about Fox.  It is too bad his show didn't last, but I guess people prefer egotistical jerkweeds like Bill O'Whiney over someone who might actually teach them something.

  While we do have that law, it has no criminal penalties for violation...  So if a police officer illegally confiscates your firearm the police officer will not face any charges.   The best thing we can do is add stiff criminal penalties to these laws, to include a felony with a minimum 5 year sentence for any government official that violates the law.

Talking about visits. There is a "guy" who has a table at the shows. He takes stripped lowers and makes complete rifles for resale. He has been doing it for the last 4-5 shows now. I am 99.9% positive he doesn't have a manufacturers license much less an FFL. Play stupid games and you win stupid prizes. There are a lot of people who sit in their house and build AR's for resale that don't know it is against the law to do that. I am sure the ATF is aware because those guys are buying dozens of stripped lowers a year.   As far as the supply and demand thing it is true for AR's right now and I feel a little uneasy about it but not overly concerned with it. I view it like predatory lenders in that you need to be informed before making the leep. But on the same token there are people who are taking advantage of people who are not as familiar as they should be. And if anyone has a question about a gun they might be buying feel free to PM me. I won't comment on whether a price is fair but I will tell you if the gun is what they say it is.   Now the ammo thing pisses me off and if I could do something I would. I have watched dealers buy all the ammo at Walmart. I asked the clerk, after the dealer cleared the shelves, how often it happens. And she said that every day they get ammo in between 8am and 10am and that everyday that same dealer is standing their waiting to buy it all. So rather than go through his supply chain to get what he needs he destroys my supply chain. The unscrupulous dealers are creating a false supply shortage by buying up everything then sitting on it.   Not this shortage but a previous shortage I was at another big box store and a dealer had a cart full of all the 22 ammo. I asked if I could get a box and he said give him $20. This was before he had paid for it so I would have had to hand him a $20 bill then pay $15 for the box. I chuckled and he said fine I sell it for $37 a brick in my store. I asked what store it was and he told me. I then blasted what he did all over the web. Within a year he had to close his doors and this was during a boom time. We all forget those who do this but I don't. My supply chain gets smaller every time something like this happens.   I have a store that I frequent. He has not raised prices on ANYTHING. He still has plenty of ammo and plenty of guns. Just a few weeks ago he was selling AK's for ~600 and AR's for ~$800. He will get every red cent I can spend now to ensure he stays open. And he said he would be selling everything for the same prices as before this craziness hit.   Dolomite  

Haha, he and his merry band of lunatics were to overthrow the government, then assume control of it when it collapses? Hahaha, with zero military experience amongst them or even enough business experience to settle their income taxes. At least our Fore Fathers were veterans, lawyers, businessmen and educated. I'll start taking revolutionaries seriously when they start absorbing folks like that into their organization. Dumbasses.

An un-Constitutional law is NOT a law. They can kiss my ass.

We got it Sheldon.

I didn't see this posted anywhere, so please delete if this is a repost You will have to view the video from one of these sites, since James took the video off his YouTube channel http://soldiersystems.net/2013/01/10/james-yaeger-speaks-out-on-possible-executive-orders-restricting-firearms/ http://thegunwire.com/blog/youtube-video-james-yeager-pack-your-bags/

You tell em Oscar!

I'm boycotting CTD for life. They can kiss my old flabby butt :)

There are many types of gun owners : Just like there are many types of Labs

Biden shouldn't be underestimated. He's a holdover from an older generation of Congress, of whom there aren't many left. He's not afraid to negotiate with the gloves off, and he knows more about procedure than most new congressmen combined. He uses the buffoon image to his advantage. Most people are so caught up with "idiot Joe Biden" that they don't notice him getting the upper hand. Dislike him all you want, but don't discount him because of it.

With all the hoopla of the publishing of the permit owners in those NY counties and wherever else right now, maybe it will finally pass.   - OS

[quote name="BimmerFreak" post="880624" timestamp="1357839640"]Well, if they did, it would certainly give him the opportunity to validate that "line in the sand"[/quote] Ha, the only sand he should be worrying about is the sand in his vagina. It seems to make him quite agitated.

I know it's a shame that we have to make additional laws to protect constitutional rights but that's the reality of the times.

Realistically that law is already in place, it's the 2A, but I see your point. I think at this point alot of this is posturing, so to speak. it's the states starting to draw little lines in the sand.

Reading the article the key quote is this: [quote]“I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, [b]but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that.[/b] I’m telling you right up front.”[/quote] How is that different from anywhere else right now? If you turn towards a cop holding a gun in your hand there's a very good chance you're going to get shot. I don't care if you're in Chicago or Tennessee, I've always been told that even if you're completely and legally in the right, when the police show up your gun better be holstered.

[quote name="daddyo" post="880404" timestamp="1357817238"]What do you expect from Ms. Gail "Spoons made me fat" Kerr?   She's the same one who screeched "Blood in the streets!" and "Shootouts in bars!" when the restaurant carry bill was going through the legislature. When I tried to hold her feet to the fire a year later and get her to retract some of the things she said would happen (and didn't), she ignored me.   She's an ignoramus of the highest order.[/quote] The first step in fixing a case of liberalism is for them to admit they're wrong when they are proven so. Of course, folks like her are such ego maniacal narcissists that they can't face it when they are wrong, they just ignore it. There is no cure for that kind of liberalism....not a legal cure anyway. Some right wing conservative dude musta left her at the altar back in the day before her panties were occupied by mainly cobwebs and yeast. I can't think of any other reason that she writes with such willful ignorance and venom.

This "administration" should have more respect for their predecessors.   From George Washington's address to the second session of Congress: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty, teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon and citizens' firearms are indelibly related. From the hour the pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that, to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 and 99/100 percent of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil influence. They deserve a place of honor with all that's good. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour."

Raoul mentioned impeachment, I'm 100% behind that. Both these a$$holes need to GTFO!

  TF is that page trying to accomplish?  I can't even read it.  Is there a requirement somewhere that fringe lunatics have to suck at web page design?  This guy might completely be on the right track but I'm never going to get to the end of what he's shoveling because trying to read that jumbled mess of columns and colors and fonts and pictures makes my whole face hurt.

Hey guys. I just got my Mossberg 500 today. It is my first shotgun. I'm hoping to get it out this weekend. I'll report back when I do. I'm still reading and it will be a week before I can buy some different ammunition to try. I just picked up the Winchester game loads for now. Here are some pictures from a few angles. I've read a lot of good reviews on this gun and the few people I've talked to in Chat on here like them as well. What do you all think of it? Thanks for your time/input. I appreciate all you guys/gals here. Stock fully extended: Stock fully closed: Cartridge holder: Top View/Safety: Heat Shield:

It sure is easy to run through the ten per day or whatever it is.  20 would be better.  Just sayin'...

Built two new ones today, one for jcj here, one to sell. This is jeffs knife, built to his specs. W1 steel, Purpleheart handles, 5.5 inch blade, 5" handle, convex grind, forged to shape. The next is a small utility/edc fixed blade. W1 steel, burmese rosewood handle, 8" overall, 4" blade, convex grind, also forged to shape Comments and critiscms welcome

The Tactical Response fanboys have been noticeably missing so far today... Is it too much to hope that they have finally seen the light? Mark

January 7, 2013 Obama's Disarming Haste By Daren Jonescu According to the Washington Post's Philip Rucker, President Obama is committed to moving quickly on gun violence legislation. Reported as good news, in truth this carefully projected haste and urgency ought to be regarded -- and would be reported, by a media that did not have a stake in leftist authoritarianism -- as the gravest warning sign. "A warning sign of what?" asks the scoffing useful idiot. "Of the end of even the pretense of liberal democracy, constitutional republicanism, or any other form of government answerable to the governed." It became a cliché during the last century to say that tyranny has the advantage over freedom in a crisis, because while the legitimate government must follow its own internal processes for assuring the consent of the people (or of their representatives) prior to acting, the tyrant may simply issue a decree, irrespective of anyone's objections. It is true that legitimate governments comprised of co-equal branches, or of deliberative bodies, are somewhat limited in their power to act precipitately. And that limit is precisely the source of their legitimacy. In almost all circumstances, sometimes even including the most grave and pressing, legitimate governments are compelled to engage in some measure of deliberation. That is, they are restricted in their actions and responses to what can be agreed upon through a process of reasoning. If there are disagreements about the need for action, they must be heard. If there are quibbles about the course of action to be pursued, they must be heard. Churchill argued vehemently and repeatedly in and out of the British parliament against Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler, and in favor of forceful action. Through this process, his case, which was initially unpopular both in parliament and among the British people, grew in force and effect, and Churchill himself was chiselled by it into a greater leader of men -- precisely when Britain, and the world, needed such a leader. His path to action was longer and more laborious than Hitler's, but he had right on his side -- and he won. Churchill was forced to these extremes of patient argumentation in the face of an immediate threat to his nation's survival by a tyrannical lunatic commanding the most powerful military in Europe. That is a case study in what I am calling "legitimate government." Illegitimate government, by contrast, would follow the opposite trajectory: pursue the most radical policy proposals while circumventing or avoiding patient argumentation and debate, even in matters of relatively little urgency. To state this contrast differently, a free nation thinks before it acts in its own best interests, even in a genuine crisis, while an unfree nation is dragged into unthinking action against its own interests, in response to an illusory crisis. When Rahm Emanuel described the Obama administration's modus operandi as "never let a serious crisis go to waste," many conservatives latched onto this supposed revelation as Exhibit A against the administration's integrity. In truth, Emanuel was putting the idea out there early, in the first weeks of the administration, so that, through repetition, it could be transformed, over the course of Obama's first term, from evidence of alarming cynicism into the definition of responsible governance. Thus it is that mainstream reporters can now matter-of-factly describe the White House's mission on gun control this way: Obama's advisers have calculated that the longer they wait, the more distance there is from the Newtown massacre and the greater the risk that the bipartisan political will to tackle gun violence will dissipate. "This is not something that I will be putting off," Obama said on NBC's "Meet the Press" in an interview broadcast last Sunday. At the White House meeting, [Sheriff Richard] Stanek said, "the vice president indicated that there was a very short timeline for him to get back to the president with his recommendations because the American public has a short memory." Think about that. The president and vice president of the United States are urging immediate action on gun control, pre-empting all debate about the measures' constitutionality; and their justification for this urgent, anti-constitutional action is that "the American public has a short memory." In other words, this is not a real crisis (i.e., an ongoing threat), and the public will soon realize that, and carry on with life as usual; therefore, we must act before that happens. Here is Rucker's account of the administration's intentions: A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said. As for where the federal government would get the authority to require "universal background checks," monitor the "movement" of private property, impose "stronger" mental health checks (on whom?), or punish private citizens for "giving" guns to minors (teaching your son to shoot?), these are precisely the kinds of questions for which the normal process of legitimate government would be in order -- deliberate, debate, reason. But the administration is unwilling to accept the likely outcome of such a process, and therefore wishes to foist its illiberal ideas on the public without open discussion. We all know the pattern now: in place of the deliberative process designed to protect the public from unjust government, Obama, Feinstein, et al will rush through legislation and executive orders, and then "lead a public relations offensive to generate public support." There is a striking dissonance between the alleged need to act immediately, and the nature of the measures proposed. Rucker repeatedly tells us the government's response will be "comprehensive"; Biden's working group has "expanded its focus" to areas in which the president may act without congressional support, such as "changes to federal mental-health programs"; the administration is "quietly talking with a diverse array of interest groups"; they are "developing strategies to work around the National Rifle Association," such as "rallying support from Wal-Mart and other gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses" (i.e., crony capitalism in the name of restricting gun sales); their proposals constitute a "deeper exploration than just the assault-weapons ban"; and the discussions include the secretaries of Homeland Security, Education, and Health and Human Services. These are strategies for radical change in the nature and order of American society. One does not solve an immediate crisis by abandoning the entity undergoing the crisis. A man whose kitchen is on fire does not respond by calling a real estate agent to discuss buying a new house; he calls the fire department, and tries to save his property. A nation in a crisis does not abandon its laws and principles; it tries to shore them up with some form of corrective action. Conservatives were rightly disdainful of George W. Bush's nonsense about "abandoning the free market in order to save it." Now, the Obama administration's response to a violation of individual rights (gun violence) is to abandon individual liberty and the right of self-preservation. A government that responds to a genuine crisis -- such as foreign attack, or wide-scale insurrection -- in a precipitate fashion is acting irresponsibly. A government that manufactures a crisis in order to justify acting precipitately is behaving tyrannically. A government that follows this pattern as its normal method of operation is not merely behaving tyrannically - it is a tyranny. "Never let a crisis go to waste" is cynical politics of the highest order. "Never let an opportunity to create the illusion of a crisis go to waste" is worse than cynical; it is diabolical. It is also fundamentally delegitimizing of the government that pursues this policy. A health care "crisis" necessitates immediate passage of a bill that no one has read, let alone debated. A student loan "crisis" necessitates a federal government takeover of the loan industry. A fiscal "crisis" necessitates the passage of a bill that was presented to the U.S. Senate -- "the world's greatest deliberative body" -- six minutes prior to the vote. And so on. Now, a gun violence "crisis" -- which has been cleverly expanded into a mental health "crisis" -- requires immediate, undeliberated measures to begin the final process of ending private gun ownership, while extending the federal government's power to assess, label, restrict, and/or detain private citizens as "mentally unstable," according to guidelines that will be written by the leftist authoritarians at HHS, the Justice Department, and Homeland Security. Talk about the lunatics running the asylum! The only real crisis at play here is a crisis of liberty; the U.S. federal government has become unmoored from any notion of legitimate representative government, and its illegitimate practices have become broadly acceptable to the American public. Corrective measures are certainly in order, but these will not come from the government. They will come, if they come, from the people. Here, from the Washington Post article, is the sensibility now governing America's public policy, in a nutshell: "As we get involved in these ad nauseam debates over the Second Amendment, our children are still at risk," said Jon Adler, national president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association. "Debating is not the action verb we need to protect our children." Actually, Mr. Adler, it is. Debating -- discussing the appropriateness of proposed policy in light of the nation's interests and fundamental principles -- is what legitimate governments do, as long as they wish to represent the will, rather than exploit the ignorance and fear, of the people. While we're at it, Americans might like to consider a few other action verbs pertinent to this moment, and to "protecting their children": resisting, debunking, teaching, thinking, and fighting. http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/obamas_disarming_haste.html

It said he had over 20 rounds in his pockets. I see where this is going.

Nah he's a leader... Alpha male... Top of the tactical food chain. The sooner you recognize that, the better off you'll be. :)

I think if we had mandatory military service in the US like Israel, then this wouldn't be quite as bit of an issue.

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My guard dog Aster and my family's guard dog Shadow

Honestly, that is probably the best thing that could happen in this case. He'll tip his hand, the SCOTUS will kill it and the Republicans will sweep the next election cycle, and likely the one after that. Of course, it won't happen. Obama understands incrementalism and is only capitalizing on this tragedy to take ground in the fight against the 2A. Feinsuck also understands incrementalism; this bill is just for theater and a way to make republicans look like baby killers when they nuke it. They have a strategy, and it is effective. This is why we must have a strategy, rather than doing surgery with a sword, ala Alex Jones. We're playing chess, not checkers.

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It's just Gail Kerr spewing her ignorant tripe. Notice how she offers NO facts or evidence to support what she's saying. Truth is, the woman couldn't find her big butt with both hands.

 I have been there several times and have yet to see the long distance ranges crowded 200,300,400yd I believe(This is the side I normally shoot when visiting). The 25-100yd range or whatever it is seems to be a high traffic area though. Overall it is a nice range and seems to be well kept and is actually quite a large place overall, before you shoot just stop at the pro shop to the right of the drive be sure to pay and if you have any questions just ask them they are nice people.

OK, Rugers are nice pistols but it just ain't right to post a Ruger picture in a S&W thread. :D Jonnin may recognize the S model. :wave:

I think brian may be as objective as we will see from the paper. The issue is the paper is still crap and does nothing for truth

And I'm just posting this for the drool factor. Tucker Leather made this custom http://www.tuckergunleatherblog.com/2006/10/11/the-most-beautiful-carry-rig-i-have-ever-seen/

And, Wal-Mart is a nearly $700B company. A company that employs so many and has revenue of over half a trillion isn't scared of the gov't.

Not sure if any of you are familiar with that network, but I work abroad and I have been watching their news channel for years and I have to say that it is the best, non biased news channel I have ever seen. They do not censor what they broadcast and do not listen to politicians and let them police what they broadcast Unfortunately that is Much More than I can say about any news network we have here stateside Having said this, I still think Al Gore is a Douchebag

I like how they keep saying the "overwhelming majority" of Americans want new action on gun control. The overwhelming majority of people I have spoken with do not support any new gun laws. They need to rephrase what they are saying to "the overwhelming majority of people that hate guns want new gun control".

My kittah.. about 11 years old now.

This is Burley, our Jack-Russell/Black Lab mix . He is a character ! He is 8 yrs old and sharp as a tack .

Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know when they were slated to open.

*Tongue-in-cheek*

Just for the record...I sold my guns to some guy named Ernie.