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    At this point, anything's better than the fiscal cliff, the impending weapons ban legislation, and the resulting supply shortages.

  I feel your frustration, I really do.  But this wouldn't be my first rodeo and like others have said it's just a recipe for disaster.  I too have spent time at countless ranges over the past 28 years of shooting and have seen all too well the extreme diversity of skill-levels and weapons safety practices among firearms owners.  There's too much about this that scares the hell out of me, and it has nothing to do with "sticking it to the man".   It's a bit of a catch 22... I firmly believe everyone should have the unrestricted, Constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms.  I also firmly believe that there are a lot of people out there I wouldn't trust being around with a sharp pointy stick, let alone a carbine of some sort.  I'd prefer some folks observe their 2nd Amendment rights out in the middle of the desert somewhere.  ;)

some things, just should be left private.

Funny how the same folks that want to call gun owners/carriers "baby killers" are the same people who will openly support abortion (in most cases) The left want gun control to help "save the lives of innocent children" but will do nothing to help the unborn. It makes me sick.

I dunno.. In our house we prefer to talk about things and work them out and not withhold anything.. seems childish to me.. I never witheld anything from my husband, I grew out of playing games when I was 18..

I don't advertise, have no problems.

Full recoil comparison video soon to come!   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oA0z1-0r88&list=UUxeAlQe_QtiTuM0IP_7DHkQ&index=4

Warning... video not safe for work, family, children, delicate ears. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2BjA7B_mpg :lol: First thing that came to my mind. Anyone else?

No.......... Mary Ann was hotter

Now way in hell I want to be anywear near that demonstration. I spend too much time a the range watching nitwits mishandle their firearms in a "safe situation".

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/

Having lots of trouble getting to the site tonight. The NSA or ATF must be scanning or running their software.

i still send them.  but,,,,i was saying,,,,,

I can believe it. I went to a gun auction last summer, and it was crazy then. Post CT, a public gun auction, and wow! PT Barnum is clawing to get out of the grave to get a piece of this action!

Here is where we might be in a fwe years: http://youtu.be/JLLCsBX5BJU Thought it was pretty funny.   Dolomite

Good stuff, Fitty. I looked at more of you stuff yesterday. Real good quality.

go screw your wife, that's an order

Great post, thanks much! I am going to say,"We have to take our country back from the ones that have to much power, I dont need anyone telling me or mine what will make us happy, what we need, what to do, what to THINK!!!"

  You mean back when Hackett lost by less than 200 votes, but 3000 idiots voted for Mongo?

Costa had a very short and to the point post this morning on Facebook.   http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=510842915614285&set=a.246354765396436.65474.229735767058336&type=1

The title of this topic reminds me of the several quotes from the 1980 hilarious movie Airplane.  Steve McCrosky (Loyd Bridges) would often say, "Looks like I picked a bad time......"  For you over the age 40 crowd do you remember?  

I did. I'm not done. The first wave was to get something in the pile. The second wave will be carefully written.

yep.   be advised that for Sen. Alexander, voice mail boxes for DC and Knoxville are full (hit Chattanooga box).    I Got through to DC voice mail for Corker, and,   A real,  and pleasant person in DC answered for Chuck Fleischman (working on New Years day).   BTW, I saw on one of the congress-critter web sites that snail mail takes two weeks to arrive at their office due to security scanning.

WRONG ATTITUDE, keep sending the e-mails!

Yes

it has got to the point i don't think they read the e-mails.  don't try to call, it does not go through.  mail is slow and who knows it they open the mail in a timely manner.  sometimes you will get a can answer back from them. 

This was floating around Facebook and thought I'd share here....   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAvMHWhdEUU   Some text from the video below. :usa:   [quote]December 22, 2012 - “What I am about to tell you is something you’ve probably never heard or read in history books,” she likes to tell audiences. “I am a witness to history. “I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. If you remember the plot of the Sound of Music, the Von Trapp family escaped over the Alps rather than submit to the Nazis. Kitty wasn’t so lucky. Her family chose to stay in her native Austria. She was 10 years old, but bright and aware. And she was watching. “We elected him by a landslide – 98 percent of the vote,” she recalls. She wasn’t old enough to vote in 1938 – approaching her 11th birthday. But she remembers. “Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.” No so. Hitler is welcomed to Austria “In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unem- ployed. We had 25 percent inflation and 25 percent bank loan interest rates. Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were go- ing from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn’t want to work; there simply weren’t any jobs. “My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people – about 30 daily.’ “We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been in power since 1933.” she recalls. “We had been told that they didn’t have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. Austrian girls welcome Hitler “Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group – Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone in Germany was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria. We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back. “Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler. “We were overjoyed,” remembers Kitty, “and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed. Austrians saluting “After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service. “Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn’t support his family. Many women in the teach- ing profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been re- quired to give up for marriage. “Then we lost religious education for kids Poster promoting "Hitler Youth" “Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school.. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler’s picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn’t pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang ‘Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles,’ and had physical education. “Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail.” And then things got worse. “The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. “We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had. “My mother was very unhappy,” remembers Kitty. “When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn’t do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun – no sports, and no political indoctrination. “I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. A pro-Hitler rally “Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time, unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler. “It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn’t exposed to that kind of hu- manistic philosophy. “In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn’t work, you didn’t get a ration card, and if you didn’t have a card, you starved to death. “Women who stayed home to raise their families didn’t have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men. “Soon after this, the draft was implemented. Young Austrians “It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps,” remembers Kitty. “During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys. “They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines. “When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat. “Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service. “When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately es- tablished child care centers. “You could take your children ages four weeks old to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, seven days a week, under the total care of the government. “The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had. “Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna.. “After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. “When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. “If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the med- ical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries. “As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80 percent of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. “All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing. “We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables. “ Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because peo- ple might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands. “Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control. “We had consumer protection, too Austrian kids loyal to Hitler “We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, and then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it. “In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps. The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. “So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good man- ual work. “I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. “I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months. “They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness. “As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia. “Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily. “No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up. “Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria. Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.” “This is my eye-witness account. “It’s true. Those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity. “America is truly is the greatest country in the world. “Don’t let freedom slip away. “After America, there is no place to go.” Kitty Werthmann [/quote]

How do you lose your carry gun and not notice until you've already left the building. What an idiot Sent from behind my anvil in ye olde smithy

I love the sheer black and white message from this shop w regard to the AR Mag shortage,enjoy: http://www.urbanertslings.com/twopihaform4.html

Have to agree with RobertNashville on this one. I support their right to their company, their rules, but at the same time my money, my rules. Which is what I posted on their FB page.   Like mcurrier I too delivered pizzas and though I never had any trouble I knew several people who did get beaten. Oddly enough, none of the drivers that I knew were armed in some way ever got jumped and all the ones that did were not even carrying a flashlight. I think it was more mindset etc than anything else, but knowing I had a switchblade backing up my full size Maglight sure helped my confidence :)

  I forgot that one. Kinda cheesy but I really liked it

It's kind of a gun-fu movie, but I always thought Equilibrium was a pretty good gun movie.

i ordered 1100 i will let every one know when they come in dont usually sell mags but dont like to see people selling them for 75.00  i will chow cost on mags

[quote name='dlm37015' timestamp='1356991785' post='873359']i have a large order in for them i will not price goug[/quote] Mags? Did someone say mags? :ph34r:

Here is my rough draft for what its worth. I tried to keep it short......     I am a former Police Officer and have seen firsthand the damage criminals will do. I am not a hunter and do not kill animals for sport. I do however have firearms to protect my family and my community against criminals.   As a Police Officer I was usually reactive; not proactive. By the time the Police get to an active shooter it is usually over. The only way to stop an illegal active shooter is with a legal active shooter. Please do not take part in legislating away our rights to protect ourselves, our families, and potentially your family.   The recent massacre in Connecticut was a mental health issue; not a gun issue. The devil himself walked into that classroom and all the gun bans in the world would not have stopped him. What might have stopped him (other than a mental health professional being proactive) is a legally armed citizen; unfortunately those aren’t allowed in schools so all those small children had to die.   As private citizens we are generally the only hope victims will have. Please don’t disarm us by voting for gun control legislation.   Also, please don’t put our Police Officers in the position of having to choose between enforcing laws they do not believe in or abandoning their law enforcement careers.

I sawry, I won't speak out again without permission.

I think the problem is they've banned all forums greater than 10 posts ... taking some time for the ATF to process the paperwork to approve and register anything with more posts

Nothing good can come of a bunch of people "marching on" the state capitol with rifles on their shoulders.  If you guys are looking to persuade the fence sitters to support the Second Amendment, you're totally fucking it up.

Kudos to them for publishing this. They know what they've lost. A cautionary tale.

  I beg to differ in a major way. They may not have the stopping power for up close engagements, unless there is a CNS hit, but at the same distance a person would use a scoped deer rifle a 22 is quite capable fo stopping a threat. A suppressed 22 engaging a threat at 200 yards is a very effective tool for protection. It would also very demoralizing to have no clue where to go to hide. Even without a suppressor a 22 can keep people at bay well beyond 200 yards. I can hit 1/2 sized steel targets at 200 yards 9 out of 10 times. That is a target that is 12" wide and 18" tall. A 22 is less intimidating to kids or women and provide a level of protection a pointy stick doesn't.   I can guarantee if I start engaging a threat at 100 yards with any of my 22's they will not be a threat for very long.   Here are several studies on the varsatility and lethality of the 22. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=22+lethality&oq=22+lethality&gs_l=youtube-reduced.3..0l2j0i5.103962607.103965059.0.103965396.12.12.0.0.0.0.147.894.9j2.11.0...0.0...1ac.1.iLAFFo7B72s   Dolomite

I have 3. (1 year old, 2 year old, and a 3 year old) I also have a 9 year old bio.

Most of us die hards could easly cash in on the craze, but I for one did not acquire my thunder sticks for making money, I acquired them to have, to use, and to fill up a safe.  Once you sell, its gone forever (likey).  Instead of passing down a real legend to your kids, you can tell your kids of a legend that you once had...., but sold it to turn a profit. 

The thing is, going over the edge wont "FIX" anything, STOP SENDING MY MONEY OUT OF THIS COUNTRY, STOP GIVING FOOD STAMPS AND UNEMPLOYMENT TO DRUG USERS!!! That will fix some of IT!!! Sorry for yelling.

I've always wanted to go over the so called fiscal cliff. I want cuts to everything. No sacred cows. Not even the military and foreign aid.

Thanks everyone for the warm welcomes.    Dave we may know one another? Your screen name sounds very familiar. Thanks for the compliments as well. I've been out of the long range competition now for around 5 years. I got invloved in running matches in Oak Ridge and I did that for 2 yrs and then the IBS wanted to impose more rules and waivers for shooters to sign at each match that it just got to be too much. So I decided to take a break. I made a believer out of a lot of the 1000 yard BR guys shooting a 22 caliber bullet. That Dasher was pushing an 80 grain bullet over 3500 fps with ES of only 5 fps with a case full of H 4350. In some sense I renewed the Dasher line cartridge in the 600 yard game, as there are now many variants of this cartridge being used mainly in the 6mm range for 600 yard competition.    Decotriumph: I travel to Tullahoma every day for work.   Klamb5: Bell Buckle has one of the best diners to eat at that I know of  within 200 miles of us.   Here's to wishing each of you and your families a Very Safe Holiday Season and Merry Christmas to you all.   James

I have a solar plan in place if the power goes out long term. But all I am wanting is lighting, that is it. I have no grand illusions about being able to run the appliances off what I have. But what I do have will keep the boogy man away at night, longterm. I can run my 12V LED lighting system for probably a week or two without recharging the batteries. But I can recharge my batteries in a day with the panels I have. So as long as I have at least one day of sunlight a week I will always have light at night.   The LED panels I bought are cheap and have a long run time. I ran a test using a single panel and a standard 9v and it ran a long time before I unplugged it. I honestly could not tell whether it had dimmed or not. They have 48 individual LEDs and are bright enough that you can easily read a newspaper from 6-8 feet away in total darkness. I plan on running four in each room which will be as bright as the rooms are now.   I plan on isolating my house from the grid. I will remove all the 110v bulbs and install the 12v LED panels in their place. I will flip all the breakers off then plug my battery bank into an outlet, any outlet. Then I will flip the breakers to connect the areas I want light to the battery and engergize that circuit. Then I can use my lightswitches like normal. I also have an inverter that I can use to temporarily run smaller appliances. I have also made sure to buy nothing but rechargeable batteries for things like flashlights. I also have smaller handheld battery chargers that will charge 2 AA batteries in a day.   A few friends gave me the panels and a deep cycle battery to go along with the batteries I already had. If I were to buy everything I bet it wouldn't cost $300. And that is a small price to pay to have light when no one else does.   When the power goes out long term, as in months, I am not worried about convience like A/C or television. I am going to start looking at long term survival.   Dolomite

TN should pass a law prohibiting unmarked cars from doing traffic enforcement...  It's too big of a safety risk for the public to be pulled over by unmarked cars....   And the reality is that marked cars doing traffic enforcement have a better effect on road safety than unmarked cars.   The only reason cities want to use unmarked cars is for revenue, NOT road safety, it's time we place the safety of our wives and daughters above revenue in this state.      

MSM headline: Deputy shoots Jesus ;)

I'm going to keep buying Mountain house for now. It lasts longer, tastes better, and is lighter than MRE's.

[quote name='dunndw' timestamp='1354579815' post='854477'] Shrecmanager I have a question. What are the requirements for the ROs? Is it something like the NRAs RSO course or does the state look for something more [/quote] Fun disposition. NO Democrats