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The devil himself walked into that classroom, and he will put his hand on another soul to do it again. The next one will try to outdo the last one. Would a gun ban stop him? Absolutely not, but it might stop a lawfully armed citizen from stopping him.

Well, the brits have a counter-petition up.  I say we should compromise, and deport him halfway.

You don't have to lower yourself.... Buy the guy an NRA membership. That's a nice thing to do and who wouldn't appretiate it !?!?

Just made this on Paint program thinking about all the pompous remarks we hear about "needing" an assualt weapon, high cap mags etc.

They did mention that 2 million people will lose their unemployment benefits. Not sure what to make of that but my gut feeling is if they were looking for work, rather than just sitting around, it would help the economy. Remember these are the people who have been collecting for over a year now. And along with unemployment benefits they are likely receiving food stamps, housing subsidies as well as healthcare in some states. All those benefits cost the taxpayer as well as increase our national debt.  And it is those of us that work that are going to replay that debt.   If someone is so hard up for food I am sure their family or their church would be glad to help them. But there are some that think having a Playstation for Christmas is a necessity.  Or thinking it is a requirement that they have a 60” television to watch their HD cable on. If you are on governemnt assistance you should have enough to eat, clothe your bodies (an not with brand names), heat your home and not much else.   Dolomite

vote with your remote

Ms Frankenstein is living in a dream world, like all the rest of the gun grabbers. But don't ask her to give up her armed security.

Worth? That does not figure into the equation. You'll be offered a Starbucks gift card and be happy you got it.

  Highly insulting to gays.  Likely many of them don't want to be associated with him either.

  Yup ... hickok is a TGO'er ... Same name :)   He visits every few weeks or so :)

  Yes.

December 26, 2012   You're in the Army Now ...or Should Be   By Ebben Raves   Militia: a word which has been twisted into something that has an entirely different meaning from when our country was founded and now with its every utterance, spits on the graves of those who died in our nation's birthing. Thanks to the Clintonite media after the Oklahoma City slaughter, just the mention of it conjures up images of rednecks dressed in camouflage, running around the woods with plans to kill everyone isight. A fringe element with who knows what on their minds -- but you can bet it is evil. It is a group that has little in common with the farmers, shopkeepers, and mechanics of Lexington, Concord and Battle Road.   But what really is the militia? According to United States Code, Title 10 USC § 311 -- Militia: composition and classes:   (a )  The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.     (b ) The classes of the militia are-    (1)  the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and   (2)  the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.     Who is the unorganized militia? To find out who the unorganized militia is, we need to look at the history of this country. In its early days, all males of military age were expected to have sufficient arms, ammunition, and supplies to answer the call to meet a threat. What were these threats? Prior to the Revolutionary War, they were savages, foreign incursion, and to some extent, wild animals. There are those who will argue that we no longer face those threats. Are they uninformed or willfully misleading when there is rampant crime committed by soulless monsters in urban areas and there are border areas of this country where Americans are advised not to tread?   The reason the Second Amendment was included in the founding documents was to ensure that the people could meet the threat of a standing army. Its writers knew from history that a standing army serves only the government, not the people. Since the form of government they provided rested the ultimate authority with the people, it was only fitting and proper that the people had a means to ensure their power was not usurped.   Although at this time, the 82nd Airborne Division is not conducting operations against American citizens on U.S. soil, this has not always been the case. In fact, George Washington himself led federal troops against citizens during the Whiskey Rebellion and MacArthur, Patton, and even Eisenhower led troops against the World War I veterans of the Bonus Army. There are other examples but the most recent have been committed by the new "standing army". What new "standing army", some might ask? Most readers of this article will have already connected the dots between the never ending "War on Terror", the NDAA, domestic drones, the arming of the various federal alphabet agencies, and the militarization of local law enforcement with equipment such as armor. In fact, our president even stated that we need a domestic security force that is as well equipped as the actual military. Add to that the "fusion centers", military training operations on our streets, and think tank war gaming against the TEA party, and you have a standing army that would be the envy of even the most totalitarian regimes. All of this is in the name of "protecting the people" when truthfully it is about protecting the federal government from the people. This is the same government that enforces laws selectively, encourages porous borders, voting fraud (franchise suppression), and the murder of children for their "safety" (see Waco), not to mention arming drug cartels with real automatic weapons.   Now the leviathan and its lackeys want to strip away the last of the powers of the true government, the people, "for safety's sake". Many, especially those who do not or cannot understand history, cheer this decision. Living in an emasculated bubble, they are content to contract out their security to others in the hope that evil will never reach them. For many of them, either with privately hired or government security or living in some gated community, it never will. If it does, though, it will shatter their world, making them cry out even more for a utopia that will never exist, others' views be damned. Some may rethink their views on security, but most will not, thanks to the difficulty overcoming the constant indoctrination of the statists. Many, as we have seen, even wish violence on those who disagree, committed by others on their behalf, of course.   Last week, the NRA proposed police in the schools. That is not the answer. It would only add to leviathan's bulk. This country has many competent, trained private citizens who take their security and the security of those around them to heart. Many are equipped in the same fashion that the colonists were and are held to a higher standard of retaining arms than many in government. Among these are former military and law enforcement who we have already entrusted with our security. Unorganized -- yes. Enemies of the people -- no. Call them what you will, sheriff's auxiliary, volunteers, or even "unorganized militia", states and localities that truly understand the value of these individuals and their duties as Americans will protect them from federal encroachment and encourage their participation in the safety of the community. Those who do not are on the side of government, not the people.   Ebben Raves is a veteran, constitutional activist, and speaker who teaches American history and has been a guest on several talk radio shows. He can be reached at ebshumidors@yahoo.com.     http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/youre_in_the_army_now_or_should_be.html

They're rapidly searching for a 30 round mag with a 10 round limiter. But they can't fine any mags for sale anywhere! Lol

Hindsight is 20/20, but wouldn't that have been great if he called him out on that right on the spot? That would've went down as one of the most epic things on tv.

First and so far only rifle? While I love my Mosins I can't imagine not owning a 22. A nice remington 597 can be had for $200 or less new before tax/background. If your like me you'll find yourself shooting that little 22 more than any other five calibers combined.

I really do not understand why this stuff is so upsetting to people.   Gun owners or possessors willingly turn them in.   I like guns and enjoy owning, shooting, and handling them as much as anyone.  But a gun buy back does not affect me or any of you at all. It is not illegal, immoral or forced upon anyone.   And every time something like this is announced people post up that " we oughta go stand on the street and offer cash"  Yet no one here has ever done it that I am aware of.   heck people, worry about crap that matters

So you're telling me that if you were offered a job with the federal government making more money than you are now and with benefits, which was always the draw of federal employment, you'd turn it down to make a political point?  I highly doubt that. FWIW, she works in the court system, and they have been cutting positions, not filling positions, not gotten pay raises in 2 years, had increases in the health insurance costs, and restructured their pay scales so that employees won't make as much money as in the past.  I'll admit that I don't know whether other government agencies have implemented the same cost-saving measures, but it's always problematic paint with a broad brush and stereotype all federal employees as lazy and useless because of some examples of bureaucratic waste.  They don't send their employees to fancy conferences in exotic locales.  They don't have fancy parties.  They don't get expensive cars to drive. Their offices aren't lavish or finely decorated.  Our bank account has taken a hit, but I don't complain because I know something has to be done. These conversations are always interesting to me because many of the people who complain about federal government spending (not saying anyone here applies) also take full advantage of federal government benefits and complain if there's talk about cutting those benefits.  I would suggest that many of the more wasteful programs are in areas that most conservative leaning folks refuse to cut spending: military and defense spending.  Among the top 15 countries, the United States spends more money on military and defense that the next 14 countries combined.  Are you all willing to take a cut to your Medicare/Medicaid or Social Security?  Most Tea Party people asked were not.  At the end of the day, most Americans aren't serious about cutting spending.  They only want to cut the things that aren't important to them personally.

Many many years ago (don't ask for an exact number, haters) I had dreams of being a rock star. I bought a guitar, and learned a few chords. There were a handful of us back in them there woods, and well, everyone wanted to play guitar, and well, you can't have a band with five guitar players. So a buddy of mine decided he would play bass, and I bought a set of drums. This is pretty much how it went for a good handful of years. I played drums, and after a while I started playing bass as well (seems bass players are rare as hen's teeth.) After a handful of years had passed by, and one day I realized that while I enjoyed playing in a band, we really weren't going anywhere, and I was in a dead end town. I have told my story a time or two, and being in a band was not enough to keep me on that track, and to be honest, I don't think the two were mutually exclusive. I haven't touched a musical instrument in fifteen years or so. I have an old Epiphone Les Paul in my closet, and that is where it has set. A couple of years ago, my daughter wanted a guitar, so for Christmas we got her a little acoustic starter guitar. She plinked around on it for a while then dismissed it. Well a handful of months ago, she dug it out of the closet and it has gone everywhere with her. She made up her mind, she wants to be a rockstar. Last week, I came home, and she had stripped a tuning peg and broken the headstock, making repair nearly impossible. She was crushed. The end of the world. And the Mayans saw it coming. So in her fit, she somehow remembered Daddy had a guitar in the closet. And out it came. She fell in love with it, and made her mind up, she had to have an electric guitar, and it had to be red. The journey began. And it was filled with adventure. In the end, it resulted in a Squier Affinity HSS starter pack for almost a third of retail. That was pretty awesome. She rather enjoyed Christmas. And I have too. It grabbed a set of strings, and tuned up my old Les Paul, and started teaching my daughter the very limited things I remember from twenty years ago. I guess I am going to look into some lessons for her, I am thinking piano, and then grabbing more learning material for the guitfiddle for myself to learn, and her to translate. It has been a really good day.

Latest word on talk radio is that NBC asked the DC police if they would let them borrow or allow them to have a magazine for the show and they said no. Then he turned around and got one on air any way.     http://rt.com/usa/news/david-gregory-magazine-law-894/   So not only does the ban not work, being specifically told no by the police department doesn't work either. I would be really interested to hear on how his proposed ban would prevent criminals from having them, if "law abiding" people are ignoring legal information directly from the police, then rubbing it in their faces.

No, you're right about everything you said.    But I figure if LA can take the guns "no questions asked" (let's be real ... meaning: illegal), then I'll hand out 'free' higher value gift cards, and not ask questions about the gun that magically appeared in my back seat.  :woohoo:

I've always wanted to go over the so called fiscal cliff. I want cuts to everything. No sacred cows. Not even the military and foreign aid.

My personal opinion is always to start without doing any work to the stock.  Who knows, it may shoot great without doing a thing.  Only after I shoot it "as is" would I consider doing anything else.  I would also check for barrel float before going as far as bedding.  Bedding for me is after I have tried a few easy things first.  It may come to having to bed it, but I don't think it's necessary to start there.   I am sure there are others who may say bed it from the start.

French guns don't need to work.

  "Sarcasm"

Metal working is a "combination" of many different crafts.   And I do know several welders after 20 years who still can't weld! Many might think metal fabrication is easy, and it comes easy for some and hard for others. We all know people who are great shots with a firearm, and also many that are not after many years!   One of the biggest problems people have is knowing the difference between metals and each has different characteristics the way they are worked and welded. Like most everything else... it's easy if you know how! But what works for regular mild steel... won't work for titanium. And many metals come in several different grades in the same base metal and fabricate different.   Metal fabrication and welding to be learned to any high degree needs both "book learning" and "hands-on experience".

Hey man I've got a metal detector too that I need to get out and use. Let me know if you wanna get out one day!

So this basically bypasses all democracy? Great...

GREAT thread about the slide stop issue, and date codes. Excellent pic at the beginning showing what to look for.   http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/pps/16700-check-your-slide-stop.html

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck." I have no problem playing their game meaner, dirtier and far more viciously than they ever imagined it could be played. These type of people can't be reasoned with, but they can be made to cower in fear as that is all they can understand.

But I promise you have a long lost uncle who needs money to bail himself out of prison in Nigeria so he can go collect your families fortune! I promise!

They went in a 400,000 order in 2006 to the army. Now they have another contract. They are USGI mags.

Sure they can.  The same way the marginally performing .223 is also a nuclear-tipped WMD.      Hey, how is it that semi-auto rifles are WMD in the States, but full auto rifles, machineguns, RPG's, and chemical weapons in Iraq don't qualify?

You know what? I have them. I paid for them. They are legal. They are mine. If a sorry politician attempts to change that, then screw them!

I primed about 1200 9mm cases today while watching Clint Eastwood and John Wayne. Reloading is where it's at guys!

Something you are going to trust your life to isn't where you want to cheap out.

  There was a bill introduced after the DC "sniper" to ban sniper rifles. It was nothing more than an attempted ban on "assault" rifles but they used "sniper" because that is what was relavent. Now it is "assault" rifles but could be any name that garners support for their cause. Heck, I am surprized they are not out saying these weapons are used to kill defenseless little baby bunny rabbits or some other cute animal.   ohbehave, if you think wood furniture is going to save you it won't. There are dozens of guns on the CA DOJ list that have wood stocks. And even the Mini-14 by Ruger has been villianized by various organizations. I have even read where they referred to 22 lr as a high powered round.   Dolomite

Grammar he must learn

For those that know me and my interwebs based activities, if I am not on every watch list out there, somebody is not doing their job. I have already come to the conclusion that I will be murdered by my own government. So,when the day comes, I shall exercise my right to engage in an unfair gunfight. Lord willing, our elected officials and the people that vote for them, will wise up before that day comes as I really would like to die an old man in bed with someone else's hot young wife. If not, all I hope is that at least one person knows is that all I ever wanted is for the government to leave all of us alone to live our lives as we saw fit. I don't want revolution. I don't want civil war. I just want to be left alone. However, I fear our government is too far along down the road to tyranny to allow that to happen.

I'll continue to pay the $10 a day (though not much more) ... I'll just stay longer when I go. Good place to shoot. I'm able to, and always do, go on days in the middle of the week when it's less likely to be crowded.

It's not about being worried. Like must gun owners, it's about being proactive.

As the title said let me know what you think. This is my Remington 597. The camo stock was faded and just didn't look good. Cheap gun so I said what the heck. I sanded the stock with 400 grit and then cleaned it with alcohol. I used the rustoleum brand camo paint and pine needles for the pattern. The pictures don't really accurately portray the colors but it is somewhere in the middle of the two. I couldn't get good light anywhere in the house. Oh and Zeke (my dog) says hi. He photo-bombed the one pic.

I had access to my first gun, a 20 ga and the shells for it when I was 8. I understood that I was to tell one of my parents before touching it unless it was life or death. By the time I was 17 in 2005, I had a loaded 38 special on the nightstand, my 20 ga. Loaded by the door, and the model 12 12 gauge loaded on the gun rack. It was very normally to grab a shotgun or rifle and take off into the woods fri. Afternoon before my parents got home from the time i was 15. But I was raised with respect for guns from birth, and I was very mature for my age.

The hypocrisy of this thing reeks.  First amendment is just as important as the second, people.

I love all this country has become if that is true.    mmmm pussies

You know, we all keep trying to make sense out of this tragedy and there just isn't any sense to make of it.   We'll almost certainly never know what really happened to him or in his mind that precipitated his evil actions.   We'll almost certainly never know what this mother/son family was like day to day...how they interacted...whether there were signs the her son was this dangerous.   Unfortunately, when an "evil gun" is involved; that is what always gets the attention and it's good, honest, people who understand the GOOD a firearm can do when a good person has it; yet we are the ones who suffer ridicule and hatred and new gun control laws.   Maybe the masses focus on the "gun" because to focusing on the real problems is just too painful and inconvenient and, maybe, a little to "close to home". :shrug:   Folks like us on TGO and in particular, those who have made the decision to go armed, know that evil exists and that ultimately, the best way to overcome evil when it has a gun in his/her hand is a gun wielded by a good person who is willing to confront; even at the potential cost of his own life.

I'd just be happy to see the Rifle accurately described in a media outlet.   The "make up whatever fits the narrative" that is going on right now isn't "news," it's propaganda.

damprid suxs, at least for me

Thanks OS. I Found out that Oodles Uncorked on Market Square is very gun UN-friendly. They have good prime rib but don't care for firearms in their restaurant. B

Tell ya what, if you keep up with the pure face of the liberal progressive on MSNBC some, it will actually make you appreciate the relative neutrality of CNN.   - OS