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My ancestors fought and died under that flag. If anyone is offended by that they can kiss my ass. I can't change it, nor would I.

[b] Trace Adkins explains Confederate flag earpiece[/b] http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/11/30/trace-adkins-explains-confederate-flag-earpiece/?intcmp=features Some people need to just get over themselves. All of the political correctness and the constant apologizing is getting old. I'm a former yankee, got healed of that in 1974. I don't see the problem with a Confederate flag period. It doesn't represent what liberals and those who would claim to be politically correct say that it does. They need to get over it. I could make a list of things that offend me and cry about them (NAACP, BET, UNCF, CBCF, etc.), but I say live and let live. Give it a rest already.

If your name is Drew Smith, it wasn't very anonymous here.

Humm...I wonder if perhaps TGO needs to establish a policy that no one is allowed start a thread or post immediately upon joining the forum or that the fist "X" number of posts must be approved by a Mod before being visible??? I've nothing specific against the "petition" above (I don't really know anything about it other than the post) but it just rubs me the wrong way to have someone from Colorado join just for the purpose of posting a link to a petition.

As a banker I have has situations were a husband dies but whoever signed that note with them is still responsible. Even if someone didn't sign for it, if there was collateral you would have no choice but to collect on that collateral if someone didn't take care of the note. If there was no collateral you would have to file a lean against the estate. I'm sorry but bankers can't give money away. I have student loans, if in the case that I pass away there is enough life insurance to cover my debt. People just need to be more financially responsible. I truly believe that the loan provider should not be pressured into forgiving this loan because of pressure from idiots that don't like to pay bills. I fell very sorry for the pain that this young man's death has caused to the family, but they signed a contract that has to be up held.

mmm tough lesson about cosigning ... something to never do.

Geez, I guess they need to lock me up for my taking my boys shooting since they were 6 and 8.

I agree. They should loose their clearances as well as their job if they hold a government job. If they signed it as a military member then they should be booted out under dishonorable conditions. If you signed the petition then, to me, you have denounced your willingness to remain a citizen of the United States. If you think the US is so bad that you feel you need to leave through secession then you probably need to go ahead and leave the country anyways. After all you have given up on the democratic process that we would have cheered had your chosen candidate won. Dolomite

I have heard Fox news reference factcheck.org. Heard it after every debate when they cited factcheck over things Romney claimed. Just because they aren't verifying what you want to believe does not make it less truthful. I have a hard time believing that you 6.8 are drawn into it based on the link in the original post. I gotta trust my Occams razor instinct here. I also believe 2A is about all the Homeland Security we need here.

Woohoo!

Thanks SO MUCH for posting this, I laugh so hard when I see the pics, we all need a good laugh sometimes!!!

[quote name='glowdotGlock' timestamp='1354316511' post='853100'] I have had some nice chats with the older bald guy with the galco shoulder rig though. [/quote] Over the years I also had pleasant experiences; that is what made my experience and treatment from the owner this week especially surprising. Oh well, Franklin Gun Shop will likely continue to thrive and I will happily continue on my way with my hobby. And so it goes. ; )

I find that word "collectively" somewhat disturbing.

Well, I'm proud to say my 26 yr old son is a strong-right-leaning-conservative and so is most of his friends. My wife and I won't take all the credit, his private education in a Christian school may have also had something to do with it.

When I first heard the term "homeland security" over 10 years ago I knew it would not turn out well.

Youth army. Youth army........where have I heard of totalitarian fascism creating a youth army before.....dang.

[quote name='Fingersoup' timestamp='1354315237' post='853084'] In your proposal, can the Libertarians and Independents have their own island? [/quote] Kalifornia is scheduled to soon become an island when the next big one hits...but I wouldn't wish that on Libertarians and Independents. The kool-aid drinkers and rats can have it and go down with the ship.

Huh, that doesn't sound good. If it's any consolation though, they couldn't get their act together for any natural disaster so imagine them trying to bring in these "youth army people."

[quote name='maroonandwhite' timestamp='1354306891' post='852993'] The saddest part about this whole thing is that she got 200,000 signatures asking for the debt to be forgiven. Of course with the state of things now I guess that shouldn't surprise me. Where do these people think this money comes from? [/quote] If each one of those people donated 5 cents, she would have the $10,000 to pay off the loan. Stuff pisses me off that people will go out of their way to spend everyone's money but their own

[quote name='mcurrier' timestamp='1354138075' post='852073'] A brilliant piece by Walter E. Williams - [b] Parting Company[/b] [url="http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2012/11/28/williams-parting-company/?subscriber=1"]http://www.gopusa.co...y/?subscriber=1[/url] [/quote]I thoroughly enjoyed the article and, while my agreement doesn't mean anything I agree that from a Constitutional perspective; a sate does have the right to secede. However, I would say that any actual attempt by a state today to do so today would turn out even less well for that stat than when it was attempted the last time. Even were such a move "successful" and peaceful, I think those who would propose it would be ignoring many, many realities of life today.. The Constitution may be (mostly) the same as the day it was ratified but society has changed in ways that our founders could never have imagined. All the individual states today are extremely dependent on other states for basic needs from food to pharmaceuticals to fuel and 10,000 other items any state existing without the other 49 is almost impossible and has been so for at least the last 100 years or so.

[quote name='cardcutter' timestamp='1354309603' post='853021'] My 7th great Grand father, Charles Butler, walked off a farm near New Bern NC back in April of 1776 to join the 2nd NC infantry. His son and his son's sons and their son' sons have fought in every war this nation has had until this one. My Father was WWII Navy. My uncles were in Korea, My brothers traded off tours in Vietnam. I am a Marine and a disabled Vet from my service in the Gulf. I signed the damn petition and I dare anyone to challenge my patriotism. The petition is nothing more than a symbolic gesture show our dissatisfaction the nations leadership and to remind them of our history when dealing with despots. Nothing was ever going to come of it and we all knew it going. If not they should have. If you do not believe Civil descent is American, then perhaps it is you sir who should be doing some insightful soul searching about what it means to be an American and a patriot. [/quote] I am descendant of Henry Knox, Revolutionary War General and Secretary of War (not [i]Defense[/i]), one of Washington's top generals who captured the cannons at Fort Ticonderoga and brought them back across frozen Lake George. Knoxville, TN is named after him. I have always been fascinated with the founding of the United States of America and particularly the Revolutionary War and the Founding Fathers. My house is an 18th Century museum and tribute to America, Freedom, the Flag and all-things Colonial. I was a pre-law student in college with a major in History. This stuff has always been [u]very[/u] important to me since I was about 10 years old. That is where I am coming from in my view of America.

If memory serves, isn't CA one of the states that has federal bailout money in its budget as a revenue item doesn't it (and I don't think they budget is balanced even then)? As far as I'm concerned, these people are getting exactly what they deserve when reality finally starts catching up with them...unfortunately, they are going to try and make everyone else pay for their inability to run their state properly.

[quote name='Chucktshoes' timestamp='1354296918' post='852884'] Think how scary it would be to be in mid coitus, look down, and have Clint's eyes looking back at you. *shudder* [/quote] And if she looked back at you and said "Go ahead punk, make my day."

Uh, isn't that the purpose of a cosigner?

You mean they have guns there? That's no good when the city attorney says load your guns.

When my dad died a few months ago he left behind a lot of debt and not enough life insurance to cover it all. So we're liquidating a lot of the estate to cover it. No one's forgiving those loans and we sure as hell didn't expect them to or ask them to. Life sucks sometimes.

[quote] Ideally I would have it for shooting at the range and for shooting small game in a SHTF scenario.[/quote] Someone will disagree with me, but I would prefer a bolt action rifle for this. Not to take away from .22lr AR's, but I just feel that the bolt action ones, preferably tube fed, have more to offer. For example, I can feed the CCI "Quiet" .22lr ammunition in my bolt action. Pull the trigger, it sounds like a pellet gun. Cycle the bolt, pull trigger again. http://www.cci-ammunition.com/whatsnew/newproducts.aspx [b]710fps 40 grain bullet[/b] Just a thought. I own the Marlin XT-22TSR. It was the only .22lr stainless tube fed bolt action I could find. For a survival gun, this is my vote.

Oh.. its simple... The fact is.. Its a police officer who gave the shoes. Leo`s have a bad name and mostly thought of as heartless ,pompous, jerks who dont give a crapp about others.. See? The morale of the story is that even Police Officers have a heart

I believe I've pretty much answered that question in this thread and in at lest one other thread. I also believe that you and I have very different opinions on the matter that aren't going to change.

[quote name='DaddyO' timestamp='1354287651' post='852827'] How is the fact that it was a cop relevant? [/quote] Did you just hear that big "whooosh" flying over your head?

[quote name='Razz' timestamp='1354286886' post='852820'] Thanks. Follow up question: Why handguns? Seems weird considering I can come and go with my CW, with my HCP. I'm just curious... [/quote] Because handguns are evil!!! I stopped trying to find logic in gun laws.

Irregardless of how a game plays out in Miami, Notre Dame has already been the big winner this season. No one saw them going unbeaten this year. The boost to recruiting will be immeasurable. 12-0 or 12-1 really doesn't matter. It would be awesome to go 13-0, but either way the next chapter in the Irish legacy is already written. All that remains to be added is a post script. Kelly has shown repeatedly in his coaching career how to build a contender. And don't forget history. The last four coaches who have won national championships at ND did so in their third year. Kelly is in his third year. And also let's don't forget Lee Corso picked ND to win it all. That guy is never wrong.

He also co-starred with Sylvester Stallone in "Cliffhanger". Good film.

[quote name='Mike.357' timestamp='1345414691' post='802890'] gotta love a team that has not won a national title since 88 but still collects millions from a national tv network,is the only school with someone sitting in BCS meetings and has fans always commenting on them. HA Haters gotta hate! And I can't wait until the Miami game at Soldier Field with the funkyl uniforms and two tone helmets. [/quote] I enjoyed dredging this one up, Mike - you were way more confident than I was at the start of the season! I was hoping for 4-4 through October, with a 7-5 finish. It seemed like a safe bet at the start of the season, didn't it? 12-0 is so unexpected that I don't know how to act these days, other than to say whoever the opponent is on 1/7, I hope they lose. Go Irish! (note to those who aren't reading the above with comment - the quote was made sarcastically to a "Is Notre Dame even relevant?" question). Now that we've been through the first two cycles of the standard and invariably rote Notre Dame press approach, e.g. 1) "Is Notre Dame still relevant?", and 2) "Notre Dame is back!!!", if they pull out a win, I'll happily sit through the inevitable 3) "Did Notre Dame sell its soul for national prominence?" story. It's been a long time since I've had a chance to read a legitimate one, since the last time was over the outcry over Ty "Radio" Willingham's firing.

[quote name='LINKS2K' timestamp='1354254908' post='852741']my sons famous remarks that "everywhere is better than Memphis". [/quote] You got a smart boy there.

anyone in the sevierville area wants to go for a ride, I'd be glad to take ya in mine [IMG]http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/Bosgarage57/IMAG0106.jpg[/IMG] Convertible, leather heated seats, its like driving a big gocart.

[quote name='Il Duce' timestamp='1354220003' post='852526'] I agree but they are ranked 2 in the computers. Oh well [/quote] Computers haven't watched their anemic offense over the last four games (before FSU) - the human voters (2/3rds of the BCS formula) have. Not talking smack about ND - if we get past UGA (fingers crossed), I've learned my lesson about this ND team. RTR

Having bought a few RCs over the years, it does not pay to go cheap. Either they will break easy/early or they will not have the power to go most places. Traxxis vehicles are a great buy and all of the parts can be replaced when they break. If you want one but don't want to drop a lot of coin, to checkout craigslist for a used one. Here is one in maryville for a reasonable price. [url="http://knoxville.craigslist.org/ele/3433197675.html"]http://knoxville.cra...3433197675.html[/url]

This is my BIL's site. [url="http://wolfcreekrcpark.com/"]Wolf Creek[/url] He has some info on there and links to other forums he posts to. Here is a pic of his place. [img]http://wolfcreekrcpark.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/dsc00915.jpg?w=315&h=420[/img]

I was in 1WTC the morning of September 11. I watched the planes go in and the buildings go down. I spent 9 months at Ground Zero looking at the devastation caused by that attack for 18 hours a day. I don't have to close my eyes to see it now. I can still smell it. I can say for certain that I have not been as safe on an airplane as I was on September 10, 2001 when I flew with a full sized Spyderco clipped to my pocket. If we wanted the airlines to be safe, we wouldn't use a government jobs program to do it. We'd let the airlines provide for their own security and suffer market consequences for lapses. Security theather is okay for pacifying the majority of the population and keeping up the illusion that we care. Just don't confuse it with actually being safe.

You should insist that the complex management make to towing phone call. It's their rule to enforce and keeps you out of the line of fire from your neighbor. The beef should remain between them and the management. Not you.

Why unlock the door?

Um, I should stick to smaller words. We will be holding the match every other week. I'll start making the announcements on Facebook probably in mid-December.

I got really ticked off today when this lady (I think) made a purchase of food items with food stamps, and spent twenty dollars on lottery tickets. Not right at all!!! Dave S

Sorry, I will NOT buy stolen property. Just because it was stolen by a government agency does not make it right. In fact, to me, it makes it worse. All of those little pocket knives, scissors, and other items stolen by the TSA and they have yet to actually catch their first terrorist. Remind me again why we put up with this cr@p?

This season has gotten incredible. I really like that they use the books as only a loose guideline so you really get a whole different story.

I kinda look at Chicago like I look at a restaurant with a "No Guns" sign. I won't go! Find another gun friendly place to spend you $$$!

[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1353450891' post='848904'] You're right; it's time to give up on the Constitution and peaceful ways to effect change...it's far better to grab our "assault" rifles (before Obama confiscates them) and fight another civil war in our streets and among our homes while our children duck and cover....yeah...that's the answer! [/quote] Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't. The majority of the country has knowingly and willfully chosen European style socialism. The degradation of individual rights and personal liberty will only continue. While most who are involved in the discussion of secession wish for a peaceful outcome, I don't think anyone really believes it will be nice or easy even if in the extremely unlikely event it were to happen. Creating a new government is by its nature problematic and full of strife. All that being said, what are you willing to acquiesce to avoid bloodshed? How far down the road to slavery are you willing to travel to remain comfortable and safe? Where is your line? That is what this conversation is about for me. When do I stop ignoring the oath I took and begin defending the constitution against the domestic enemies in Washington? At what point am I willing to risk everything for a chance at true freedom? Something none of us in this country has ever actually known.

If they keep pushing Israel for a fight they are gonna get exactly what they want. And they are not gonna enjoy it when they do.

yes nice folks, I spent some time one day looking over some rifles but OMG the prices. I felt the need to buy something due to all the time he spent with me so a I bought a tube of overpriced Terta grease