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Sorry, I will NOT buy stolen property. Just because it was stolen by a government agency does not make it right. In fact, to me, it makes it worse. All of those little pocket knives, scissors, and other items stolen by the TSA and they have yet to actually catch their first terrorist. Remind me again why we put up with this cr@p?

You should insist that the complex management make to towing phone call. It's their rule to enforce and keeps you out of the line of fire from your neighbor. The beef should remain between them and the management. Not you.

[quote name='TrickyNicky' timestamp='1354156135' post='852208'] Just out of curiosity, the TSA has found and confiscated many knives, and lots of guns yet so many here are convinced they don't do their job. Maybe all those guns and knives were accidents, maybe everyone they've caught had noble intentions? Maybe some people just expect a terrorist to be wearing a t-shirt that says "terrorist" when they get caught at screening? Anyone else not wearing said shirt obviously is just absent minded enough to try going through airport security with a gun or razor blade post 9/11? Sorry this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, there are all kinds of ill informed misconceptions out there regarding aviation security and for me at least it got old fast. Nothing and nobody is perfect but IMO our system works about as well as any and those that don't like it should remember there is no constitutional right to flying, and yes you do waive your right to privacy going into the sterile area of an airport. And BTW, no, the undertrained underpaid goon working the new body scanners cannot see your wife's goodys or your package. Rant off. [/quote] I believe guns and knives would have been found with a simple pass through the metal detector. My complaint comes with random "pat downs" of the elderly and toddlers.

You should piss in a bunch of bottles and set them back out there for them.

[quote name='Hunting101' timestamp='1354153638' post='852184'] Good luck and be careful. Meth can make people do some really crazy things. I know I deal with them on a daily basis in my line of work. [/quote]true, but I got a 308, and a 45. Plus a 40 carbine in the truck. If they come at me I'll give them something to worry about. And I sit to where they can't sneak up on me .

He's got the best looking woman of anybody in any episode.

[quote name='K191145' timestamp='1354140422' post='852090'] I have read several stories about this incident and what is clear about it is, the security guard and employees violated Walmarts policy on handling a shoplifter, the guard put the shoplifter in a choke hold, when real police arrived they found the man unconscience and bleeding from the nose and mouth then was pronounced dead a short time later. Sure sounds like the guard went way too far in subduing someone who lifted a few CD's. I guess I just happen to actually care about a persons constitutional rights, and yes, even a common thief still has some constitutional rights left, at least not to be mishandled to the point of death by a private security guard who apparently had little or poor training. It's obvious a few here have their panties in a wad because I cared about the dead mans rights which makes me wonder how much they really care about someones constitutional rights. Anyway, I stand by what I believe regardless of what a anyone else believes and i'm not going to apologize for it. [/quote] What about the Constitutional Rights of the guy being punched in the face? The guy didn’t get killed for stealing DVD’s he got killed because he had to be forcibly restrained because he was committing a battery. Wal-Mart may have a store policy that you have to crower and run away when a violent criminal attacks you; but thankfully that has no bearing on criminal law.

Replace "liberal" with "non-shooter" and you've got a winner. There are also plenty of people who are ambivalent to our 2nd Amendment rights and they are just as dangerous. Shooters tend to be white, conservative males by a large margin. So if you have friends that don't fit into that category take them too. Take every person you know that is willing and able to hold a firearm and point it in a safe direction. I have found, at least for me, that guns were an introduction to freedom in general. When I saw what people would resort to in order to remove my 2nd Amendment rights I began to see what they were doing to remove my other rights as well. Come to think of it maybe that isn't such a good thing. Ignorance is bliss, you know.

A brilliant piece by Walter E. Williams - [b] Parting Company[/b] http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2012/11/28/williams-parting-company/?subscriber=1

Powerball/lotto is a tax on the mathematically challenged.

Seems like this is a job for the complex management. They should distribute a letter to the residence regarding parking in front of the garages, and warn about towing. They shouldn't put the responsibility on you. They should call the tow company if the behavior continues.

Have a glock 23 ( still) was my first handgun on advice i recieved from a Tullahoma PD officer. Still like shooting it. Luckily i stocked up on ammo when i first got it. It's harder to conceal i agree, but a dependable gun. I use mine mainly as a winter carry and when out on the atv, Keepmy shield 9mm as my EDC and as a back-up pistol. Have 2 13 round magazines, and one 22 round magazine ( i got tired of reloading all the time at the range). If you find a good deal on one, get it. Never hurts to have another caliber. But it costs more to shoot than a 9mm.

Could be poaching but someone could have just cut the back straps and head off then dumped the carcass. I see it all the time and makes me sick. I always take as much meat as I can from the harvest. Might sound weird but I feel like I owe it to the animal not to waste it.

[quote name='TrickyNicky' timestamp='1354156135' post='852208'] Just out of curiosity, the TSA has found and confiscated many knives, and lots of guns yet so many here are convinced they don't do their job. Maybe all those guns and knives were accidents, maybe everyone they've caught had noble intentions? Maybe some people just expect a terrorist to be wearing a t-shirt that says "terrorist" when they get caught at screening? Anyone else not wearing said shirt obviously is just absent minded enough to try going through airport security with a gun or razor blade post 9/11? Sorry this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, there are all kinds of ill informed misconceptions out there regarding aviation security and for me at least it got old fast. Nothing and nobody is perfect but IMO our system works about as well as any and those that don't like it should remember there is no constitutional right to flying, and yes you do waive your right to privacy going into the sterile area of an airport. And BTW, no, the undertrained underpaid goon working the new body scanners cannot see your wife's goodys or your package. Rant off. [/quote] I don't fly because of the TSA and their extreme stupidity. They can kiss my ass.

I think the little punk got what he had coming. I'd be boycotting the store for firing the clerk! What was with the dudes in black BDU's wearing red berets, they some kinda Klan? Dave S

[quote name='GoneBallistic' timestamp='1354109015' post='851838'] .... My price range is $1000 +- [/quote] Get three Hi-Point carbines and use the rest for mags/ammo, outfit your own squad for the coming meltdown! - OS

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1354146819' post='852127'] What about the Constitutional Rights of the guy being punched in the face? The guy didn’t get killed for stealing DVD’s he got killed because he had to be forcibly restrained because he was committing a battery. Wal-Mart may have a store policy that you have to crower and run away when a violent criminal attacks you; but thankfully that has no bearing on criminal law.[/quote] This right here is the crux of the whole incident. Finding 12 people who all agree that the actions of the security guard were not reasonable would be tough. Heck, as a patron, if I was at Walmart and saw an employee being beaten I would absolutely intervene and subdue the attacker. Having broke up plenty of fights I can tell you my "go to" move is putting the dude in a choke hold. It gives great control and allows the option of putting him to sleep if he doesn't submit. It looks like the guard did exactly that, and was in a capacity where he may have felt duty bound to stop the assault. Walmart policies be damned, if you saw your boss getting beaten and you were a security guard, you may feel obligated to intervene. I mean, damn. I could present all that to a jury having zero law experience and get them to find him not guilty. Why would anyone call it murder other than allowing emotion to cloud logic and reason?

Please Keep us up to date on when this is going to start. My girlfriend is new to the sport but she will participate, and she shoots CDP.

Both counts are very true! He is really stepping up into the roll of a bada$$. And I am thinking Daryl will kill Merle and Glenn will take pleasure in putting the Gov. down. It will take quite a few episodes for it to happen but I think it will. (Disclaimer: I have not read the comic or any other printed material about the Dead).

Yep, she's a shooter... ESP (but I don't hold it against her...)

[quote name='K191145' timestamp='1354140422' post='852090']I have read several stories about this incident and what is clear about it is, the security guard and employees violated Walmarts policy on handling a shoplifter, the guard put the shoplifter in a choke hold, when real police arrived they found the man unconscience and bleeding from the nose and mouth then was pronounced dead a short time later. Sure sounds like the guard went way too far in subduing someone who lifted a few CD's. I guess I just happen to actually care about a persons constitutional rights, and yes, even a common thief still has some constitutional rights left, at least not to be mishandled to the point of death by a private security guard who apparently had little or poor training. It's obvious a few here have their panties in a wad because I cared about the dead mans rights which makes me wonder how much they really care about someones constitutional rights. Anyway, I stand by what I believe regardless of what a anyone else believes and i'm not going to apologize for it.[/quote] Don't be surprised when he isn't charged or convicted of anything. Last time I checked Walmart policy had diddly squat to do with law. In fact, Walmart policy on pursuing shoplifters has nothing to do with loss prevention and everything to do with civil lawsuits from slimy, vulturous lawyers.

[quote name='rebeldrummer' timestamp='1354136403' post='852054'] i have heard of such issues....money does strange things to people [/quote] Not strange, it's peoples' greed and a sense of expectation. After watching a few episodes of that show about how the lottery ruined my life (or whatever it's titled), I wouldn't tell a soul I won from anywhere around. I would just grab the important stuff like the wife, the guns and laptop and move far, far away. Probably change our names in the process as well. If I knew anyone that won, I wouldn't call them or try to contact them in any way just out of respect because they will be fighting off vampires and scumbags so much, that they'll probably just start assuming anyone that comes around at all wants something.

$2 once in a while buys me a few minutes enjoying fantasies about what I would do if I won. I've spent money on a lot worse.

If you post up much in the classifieds it will probably increase your profile views. I always check a seller/buyer's profile to see how long they have been a member. I suspect others do the same. I generally trt to avoid being a lead story on the 6:00 news.

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I'm guessing that isn't happening for these reasons... what can the average firearm bring as scrap metal? Who is the FFL that is doing the massive transfers to them? How can they afford all the paperwork, and the $10 per firearm they would have to pay for TICS? If they are selling the firearms to Steiner for scrap, how did they get the contract? When was the bidding announced, and why didn't a local gun store outbid them for the parts and working firearms alone? I can't imagine that scrap metal pays as much as even crappy guns turned in would sell for in a local gun store. There is an easy enough way to find out, head down to MPD and ask to review any contracts and emails between MPD and Steiner-Liff in the last 5 years... All of that would be covered under TN's Sunshine Law... Note ask to review, not for a copy... they can't charge you to review public records, only the cost to copy them. [quote name='monkeylizard' timestamp='1354112505' post='851858'] Would it be a loophole if MPD is selling them to Steiner Liff who then shreds them? Metro PD isn't doing the detruction themselves and I assume they get money based on the weight of the metal just like anyone else taking stuff to Steiner-Liff. [/quote]

[quote name='LINKS2K' timestamp='1354118785' post='851923'] I'll bet a lot of folks won't venture to read that far.[/quote] I didn't, but that's only because I don't value the opinions of famous actors enough to care what their political views are one way or the other.... not unless they take it to the Jane Fonda extreme.

Extreme sarcasm. Just like my post under that stupid f'ing picture of the Nazi. Check out my other posts in this thread. They're a bit more informative and conversational. But some things, like that quote and picture, deserve to be ridiculed. ETA: And my edited response wasn't meant to sound snippy. Sometimes threads get so long, a lot of what was said is forgotten or people don't read everything.

Most people going from a Glock to an XD are typically very happy with their decision from what I've heard. I'm afraid going the other way may not be to your liking. As far as the Glock 23, it is exactly the same as all other glocks. This model simply designates .40 cal in a compact frame. So if youre looking for a Glock that is a compact .40 then that is the one for you. Top to bottom: Full size, compact, and sub-compact. [img]http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz31/EdgecrusherXES/Glock%20Info/glock_17_19_26.jpg[/img] Personally I wouldn't recommend getting a larger caliber than 9mm in a compact frame. .40 cal is hard to hold onto and I would ONLY get it in a full size frame (which also helps handle recoil besides giving you more to hang onto). Full size guns are easy to carry now days with the availability of holsters made by Crossbreed, Galco, and the like so do not let that scare you into thinking that you [u]must[/u] have a compact gun. Make sure you rent out the Glock 23 at a local range to see if you like it before you buy it. There are many options out there that I personally would... consider... first. Such as... anything but a Block.

[quote][color=#4E4E4E][font='Segoe UI', Calibri, 'Myriad Pro', Myriad, 'Trebuchet MS', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]Of course the artist is deliberately trying to provoke a reaction, especially from the religious people in our society, but the artist refuses to state whether the image is intended to mock leftists who worship Obama or whether it is supposed to incite anger from conservatives for being yet another artist who embraces Obama and his government as a replacement for salvation.[/size][/font][/color][/quote]

I'm glad that my Savior isn't the liar that his is! My Savior gave his life for me. I'm sure Obozo wouldn't!

Honestly, I don't care who I offend. If one if the things I mention happens to fit you, then you need to learn how to drive. If you can't keep your vehicle from randomly crossing the center line, you're a moron. If you tailgate me when I'm not the one slowing traffic, you're a moron. If you tailgate me just because you're too dense to get in the left lane and pass me, you're a moron. If you hang out in the left lane right beside someone who is in the right lane, you're a moron. If you pass me in the left lane and dart in front of me when it would have been easier for both of us if you had just gotten in behind me, you're a moron. If you make a left turn from the right lane (or primary lane, when there is a turn lane), you're a moron. Same goes for right turns from the left. I've only scratched the surface of the idiocy that I see on the road. We on this forum constantly harp and chide others for doing stupid things with firearms, and rightly so. But far too often poor, dangerous driving just elicits a "meh". I speak of the public in general and not necessarily here. But cars carry far more killing potential than do even the most powerful firearms. Put it this way... If a cop spots me carrying a gun in my hand while I'm strolling down the sidewalk in town, he's going to at least stop and see what I'm up to. However, if he spots someone 5 feet from my bumper on I-40 at 60 mph, chances are he'll ignore it. Speeding, on the other hand, which isn't necessarily dangerous in and of itself, is often grounds for a blue light. Society tends to dismiss road deaths as the "cost of doing business". Or lawmakers try to idiot-proof vehicles instead of taking the idiots out of them. We wouldn't even need to wear seatbelts if everyone would just drive like they have half a brain. Can you tell this a sore subject for me?

I just checked on Google for those of you wondering. And yes....Topanga is still hot.

Any type of swiss army knife . Even the more simpler ones are still neat and usefull .

I hope they both lose their permits and their right to own a gun. Asshats!!

He was within his constitutional rights to protect himself in his own home. He crossed the line when he went from self-defense to murder.

Obviously, the God-given right of men to keep and bear arms and to exercise self-defense doesn't also mean that the man has also had the intelligence and wisdom necessary to know when/how to employ such has been imparted to him. That said, I can't help but think of some members here who have, by their statements, given reason to think that they don't grasp the difference between shooting to stop the threat and shooting to kill or the understanding that they have the right to do one but not the other. ;

Measure from the inside of one hole to the outside of the other. That'll keep you from having to subtract the bullet diameter.

I dont care where ya come from, good people are welcome to stay.

Coming from Cal? I am not sure that even qualifies you as being a Yankee

[quote name='JAB' timestamp='1353960527' post='850909'] And that is the angle that should be taken. Screw 'parking lot' bills - simply recognize the interior of a person's car as being like the interior of a person's home. Off limits to searches by anyone but police with a proper warrant. Declare any other 'right to search' employee agreements, etc. to be null and void. Recognize that it is none of anyone else's business - including employers - what people keep in the confines of their [b]own[/b], [b]private[/b] property. It really shouldn't make a bit of difference where that private property is located at the time - in a driveway, at Walmart or in an employer's parking lot. [/quote] At one point last year, I see to recall Ramsey actually postulating something kinda close to this during a discussion we were having. Never heard anything else about it afterwards. To me, this approach strikes at what I perceive as a real central issue - how do you handle co-location of property of different ownership (ie, the personal property consisting of the interior contents of the vehicle I own when sitting on another's real property).

I'm talking about people thinking it's ok to let a thief be a thief because it's not on their property or it's a corporations property. The corporation doesn't think its worth the risk because the legal system has been so corrupted that anyone and everyone can be sued over nothing. If they wouldn't face frivolous lawsuits, then maybe they would be a bit more stringent about keeping their rightful goods in their store and not watching them walkout. Stealing pennies? Those pennies add up and they are someone's pennies. Rambo wannabe? Police reject private security? renta-a-cop? cop wannabe? Sounds like a lot of people here are carrying baggage. You talk about risk/reward? Here's one for you - [b]if you risk breaking the law, you risk consequences[/b]. Also under the "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" doctrine. This thief's death is [b]directly [/b]attributable to [b][i]his [/i][/b]decision to break the law. If he did not decide it was ok to steal merchandise, he would still be alive. He decided he was above the law and things spun up from there. Hoping that the thief's family sues Walmart for millions . I hope Walmart sues them for the thief's bad decision. He is the one that kicked this whole thing off. Everything that happened is a direct result of the decision he made. People think it is ok to stand there and watch a criminal flaunt the law. Remember that when someone decides to come into your house or place of business and walk out with your stuff.

"You doesn't have to call me Johnson..."

[quote name='mikegideon' timestamp='1353954981' post='850860']Bacon could have killed him. [/quote] But... but... I just had bacon... SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!!!!

Play stupid games.... Maybe I'm just an ###hole, but looks like nothing but another dead thief to me. And we could use a lot more of those around here.

The price difference is a meal for two at a fancy restaurant, burn up two hours of your time discussing it and it's a wash. Get the durn gun while it's available.

Please. i am just trying to get use to the idea of 4 years years of this crap, and then i read this! Are you trying to kill me off or something?

Yep. So irrelevant that you are talking about them on a gun forum in TN.

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