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[quote name='kesava' timestamp='1352318733' post='841253'] You're a very sad example of an individual to assume that I can't articulate myself or support my stance because my response wasn't within the time frame your expected. I would challenge you in a game of wit, but clearly you're unarmed.[/quote] Never mind my above comment. Clearly you're trolling. Piss off.

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] [b]WHAT AN IMPRESSIVE LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS!… [/b][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner. First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in. First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States. First President to violate the War Powers Act. First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. First President to defy a Federal Judge’s court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law. First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party, a violation of the U.S. Constitution. First President to spend a trillion dollars on ‘shovel-ready’ jobs when there was no such thing as ‘shovel-ready’ jobs. First President to recommend changing our National Anthem as it portrays and promotes violence and is warlike in its theme. First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer Breakfast and activities. First President to initiate a Cash for Clunkers Program to clean up exhaust that adds to global warming, then extended it because it was so popular — wasting hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars. [/font][/color][color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to bypass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to demand a company hand over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to tell a major manufacturing company which state they are allowed to locate a factory in.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to fire an inspector general of Americorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office, 90 to date.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to pledge complete transparency while campaigning, then hide his medical, educational,and travel records.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to go on multiple global ‘apology tours’.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends; paid for by the taxpayer.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.[/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Tahoma, sans-serif] First President to repeat the Holy Qur’an and tells us that the early morning Islamic call to worship is the most beautiful sound on earth.[/font][/color]

You will get what you ask for (and deserve) in voting for him. A representative Republic can only stand until people realize they can vote themselves prosperity. I now feel like a fool for risking my life in war(s) for people like you.

A happily married man with combat experience seeks to impress no one, only find a level of comfort for his weary sole.

[quote name='ThePunisher' timestamp='1352310577' post='841102'] Where do you get that stuff you're smoking? [/quote] Medicinal marijuana? Unfortuantely we are going to see our economy collapse from his policies. For everyone who hates big business and the millionaires they are the ones who create jobs, not the government. Governement, now, is only there to take away from those who work hard so those who don't work hard can live better than they should. If you are able to work and don't you should not receive ANY assistance, be it for food or shelter. You should not get a free ride because I worked hard. You are not entitled to live as well as I do unless you worked as hard as I do. Dolomite

BHO is the worst president since GWB.

[quote name='Sam1' timestamp='1352333008' post='841450'] It's like having $10,000 in your pocket, riding a bicycle to the car lot and trying to buy a Ferrari. When they say you can't have a Ferrari for that much, but here's a new Z06 Corvette, you say no thanks, hop back on your bicycle and ride off.[/quote] I think a more accurate assessment would be it is like haggling over whether or not you are going to get a reach around.

When a LEO handcuffs an individual "for your safety and mine" that is called an arrest. An arrest requires probable cause of a crime. I do not see probable cause of a crime here. What I see (well, hear) is an officer who does the typical illegal arrest and tries to justify it for officer safety. The officer can conduct a stop and frisk if the officer can articulate reasonable suspicion or probable cause that the individual is engaged in criminal activity and is armed. If the officer didn't see any traffic violations, then he has no lawful authority to make a stop. Regardless, once the officer found the individual had a weapon and became uncooperative, I think it would be reasonable for the officer to detain him (not arrest him) and take possession of the firearm until he can further investigate and dispel his suspicions. Frankly, the rider brought this on himself for being a jerk for no reason. He also doesn't fully understand the 4th Amendment. It does not protect us from any search and seizure; it protects us from UNREASONABLE search and seizure. This is determined through case law and interpretation of the circumstances on a case-by-case basis. Beyond the fact that he likely made an illegal initial stop, he acted professionally in my professional opinion.

So you assume every single one of those votes would have went for Romney (even a vast majority)? Pretty optimistic. I begrudgingly voted for Romney, but am not surprised Obama won. Like it or not, the electorate is changing and we are becoming the minority. This is democracy. You may not like it because you lost, but the process ran it's course and Obama won. Time to move on and either be part of the solution or continue to be part of the problem.

[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1352323970' post='841325'] Gee...why am I not surprised that the next response from this person after a direct question was a personal attack on ETP. [/quote] That's the liberal way. Sidestep the question, then distract with name calling and personal attacks. Diversion successful.

[quote name='kesava' timestamp='1352310450' post='841097'] I think he's been doing a fantastic job. I'm a hard working American that believes in responsible gun rights. Not trolling, just sharing. It seems that most people who were pro Romney didn't see the fallacy in his economic policy. He Is out of touch. All of this anti obama rhetoric will subside when we see that he's been doing a fantastic job a the economy continues to recover and unemployment continues to drop [/quote]

No problems here about someone voting for Obama, Romney or anyone else, just so long as they took the time to get informed rather than adopting opinions of a talking head.

Figure it this way... TGO might as well stand for Tennesseans 'gainst Obama

[quote name='mikegideon' timestamp='1352304738' post='841031'] So... it's over.[/quote] Unless God changes things (He can), I don't see how we ever undo 8 years of Obama. Our children will not have the same America we did.

November 7, 2012 [b] [size=6]Victory of the Demagogue[/size][/b] [b]By[/b] [url="http://www.americanthinker.com/hyatt_seligman/"][b]Hyatt Seligman[/b][/url] [size=5][font=times new roman,times]Our newly re-elected, incompetent President is good at one thing: Chicago style politics. Kill your opponent by character assassination and promise freebies to your base. That's exactly how he beat Mitt Romney, a good and decent man, a man of substance, who would have been a great president to turn our economic mess around.[/font] [font=times new roman,times]Instead the community organizing, empty-suit incumbent won by pandering to the Democratic base and defaming and distorting Romney into an evil caricature. His simple plan of dividing and conquering through fear, envy and class warfare trumped all else, barely. Appeals to race, gender and emotion triumphed over economic reason and self-interest and the good of the country.[/font] [font=times new roman,times]What is that Democratic base? It's quite simple, a cobbled, bare majority of "victims" comprised of blacks, browns and women. It didn't matter to them that their unemployment was at record highs and their communities and lives devastated the last four years. It didn't matter that the President deliberately killed the oil, gas and coal industries and hundreds of thousands of jobs, or supported the teachers' unions over the right of their children to get vouchers to go to quality schools of their choice, or supported the auto unions over the mom and pop shareholders who owned stock, or that he crushed the middle class. It didn't matter to young people that they are personally bankrupt before they start out in life, already burdened by over $200,000 in national debt per person in their generation. And Obama ain't done yet.[/font] [font=times new roman,times]Why? The external world is not real to them. What is real are their feelings and emotions. And why not? The modern American message to minorities and women is well learned by now. It's what our public schools have taught for fifty years. The most important thing about you is the color of your skin and what's between your legs. Don't believe it? Look at any high school American History or Civics book. Ten pages on the slave-holding, Founding Fathers and the American Revolution, thirty pages on FDR, the New Deal and Big Government saving America from the evils of capitalism and endless pages devoted to glorifying, heroic, victimized "Native Americans," and other minorities and, of course, demonizing our, evil white, imperialist, ancestors who exploited them and the earth itself. Such endless, sophomoric, guilt-ridden, pabulum has consequences, to wit, the blindness of navel-grazing.[/font] [font=times new roman,times]Yes, Obama is the master of the "basic instincts" of his self-centered, narcissistic base. It's not complicated once you understand the con. To blacks he was one of their own and that was really all that mattered. They were in the bag from the start, 95% plus. To Hispanics, he bought their vote with his illegal, dictatorial, but hugely popular, to them at least, executive order for amnesty to young illegals. Result? 70% plus from a community that is Catholic, church-going, hard working, anti-abortion and generally conservative. To women he trotted out the classic Democrat ploy, the fear of losing control over their bodies and even added a new wrinkle, the "right" to free contraceptives even if you're a law student on the cusp of making $150,000 a year to start. Result, a margin of some 9 points, especially in the suburbs. Yes, pandering to the self-absorbed pays.[/font][/size] [size=4][size=5][font=times new roman,times]Toss in a little scapegoating and blame-gaming through envy and class-warfare, just to make the base feel even more self-righteous, and you have a country divided almost fifty-fifty, but more importantly, a winning electoral strategy despite being the worst president since Jimmy Carter, perhaps the worst in modern history.[/font] [font=times new roman,times]Such is the vapidity of the American people today. Iran going nuclear? Libya what? Muslim Brotherhood, is that a new rap group? Israel who? Hey, Obama killed Osama! I saw it on Nat Geo! He's the guy I trust on foreign policy. Amazing.[/font] [font=times new roman,times]Four years of disastrous failure at home? No big deal. 47 million on food stamps, 23,000,000 unemployed, robbing Medicare to pay for Obamacare, death panels, trillions of dollars wasted, gas doubled in four years, energy and food prices rising like crazy, entitlement spending out of control, no budget in four years -- not to worry. Just tax the rich and fuggedaboudit. Problem solved. [/font] [font=times new roman,times]Damn Republicans. Don't they know it's all Bush's fault? Plus they only care about whites, right?[/font] [font=times new roman,times]Romney shares some blame, too, for losing, barely, an easily winnable election. He coasted when he had a five point lead. He played not to lose. He allowed himself to be defined early by attack ads. He let Obama off the hook for Libya, his blind support of the Arab Spring and his obeisant, appeasing foreign policy that helped set our embassies afire across the Muslim world. Instead, Romney's third debate on foreign policy was like a group, me-too, hug.[/font] [font=times new roman,times]But Romney's biggest mistake was to try and turn this into a technocrat, tunnel-vision campaign on the economy alone and not to focus on where Obama was truly vulnerable, on character, trust and integrity, because of the latter's many, many lies and distortions, especially after Benghazi. Two weeks of "Why should you trust a President who won't tell you the truth about Benghazi?" could have gone a long way towards putting the President on the defensive and maintaining Romney's momentum. Instead, like Senator McCain four years earlier, he let Obama off the hook without a swing. Why should Americans care about character if Romney doesn't?[/font] [font=times new roman,times]So now we have the spectacle of blacks, browns, young people and many women screaming in ecstasy at the man who has bankrupted them and generations to come by making empty promises paid for by trillions of dollars we don't have. They won't know their betrayal until it's too late, until the Piper has to be paid, when inflation is out of sight, our credit rating is downgraded, when the entire coal industry is shut down and fracking banned, when China stops buying our worthless debt, when the dollar standard is discarded and we can't delay disaster by printing more worthless money or buying our own treasury bonds with money borrowed from China, when we finally, inevitably, fall off the cliff into a truly great depression and/or World War III breaks out, only after anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying Iran has nuclear weapons and Israel is possibly incinerated. What a great second term we have coming.[/font] [font=times new roman,times]These epochal issues were what was really at stake in this Presidential election, but Mr. Romney, good man that he is, wouldn't go there. On the contrary, he praised Obama's good intentions, refused to dramatize the real danger, apparently out of fear of being labeled a warmonger, and lost the true battles of character and ideas to the shameless, craftier, demagogue.[/font] [font=times new roman,times]If only Romney had chosen Marco Rubio, the obvious, ethnic choice for his Vice-President. Crass, yes. Racial politics, yes. But Rubio was equally or more qualified than Paul Ryan, and sometimes you have to fight fire with fire, to win Florida, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and more, and save your country from itself.[/font] [font=times new roman,times]If the Republicans get that, maybe they can win in 2016, if we survive the next four years. It's going to be touch and go. We have an unrepentant, unaccountable, scapegoating, leftist demagogue in the White House with all the "flexibility" in the world and worse, the mastery of how to pull the wool over the eyes of his base whenever and however he wants. Honey, you ain't seen nothing yet, plus four Supreme Court nominees to rewrite our "deeply flawed" Constitution of "negative rights only" that Professor Obama despises.[/font] [font=times new roman,times]You get the government you deserve. Pray for America. We have let the dogs loose.[/font][/size][/size] [left] [background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]Read more: [url="http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/victory_of_the_demagogue.html#ixzz2BYBY0vLY"]http://www.americant...l#ixzz2BYBY0vLY[/url][/background][/left]

You are correct it is my opinion. I don't ask or expect anyone else to agree with it. It comes from my experiences in over 20 states of this country, plus experience in several other countries. I have met good and decent cops before, there are several on this forum. I have also met way more cops who strap that badge on, and assume that they are better than you, and that you will do what they say because they have the POWER. These kinds of people are attracted to the law enforcement profession for the wrong reasons, and plenty of them end up out in the field. I've never been arrested, I've never been to jail, and I've had one speeding ticket my whole life. So why such a messed up view? Because I've been told that the cops were to busy to come and take an attempted rape report for my sister when she was barely out of high school. They said it was no big deal because the guy couldn't get in the car to touch her. Didn't stop it from wrecking her emotions and scarying the hell out of her. Yep my dad went to the courthouse with that one. I've seen one to many cops flick their lights on to run a redlight, then right back off and pull into a restaurant or etc. I've been passed by to many police officers busting the speed limit with no lights on, talking on cell phones. I've been talked down to by way to many cops for being a younger guy with a shaggy beard and hair. Then all of a sudeen they find out I was prior military, and its all "Thank yous". Why don't they treat everyone with that respect? Your a public servant, you should treat the young man who needs a haircut with the same courteous and respect as you do the veteran. I get sick and tired of cops complaining about how dangerous their job is. You don't like the danger? Get outta the profession. I was a Marine for 5 years, and never once did I complain or expect special treatment because it was a dangerous line of work. I did what was expected of me, and I went home, and came back at it the next day. Cops want my respect? Then try acting like your here to protect the citizens, the ones who pay your bills. You turn yourselves into the bad guys being nasty to the people you meet, and trying to lord over people like your better than they are because you have a plastic badge and a chip on your shoulder. If your a good cop, and you know it, ignore this. If your a bad one, maybe you should rethink your profession for the good of the world.

[quote name='Erik88' timestamp='1352290960' post='840895'] Well, it looks like those "biased polls" were right all along. I can't say I'm surprised. Perhaps the GOP will be a better candidate next time who people actually like though I don't think Jesus Christ himself could have surpassed Obummer in this election. We can sit here and bitch and moan for 4 years or we can accept the fact that Obama is our president and just pray things don't get worse. I'm not going to live my life in fear because everyone on this site claims the sky is falling. Let's try to stay positive.[/quote] It isn't fear for me; it's rational thought based on a few decades of paying attention...my generation has failed the generations behind, like the one you are part of...I'm sorry about that...it wasn't me personally as I did what I could do but it obviously wasn't enough. As a group, the takers who are dependent on the teat of Uncle Sam is only going to get larger between now and 2016; I don't know what "better candidate" is going to overcome that unless he/she promises exactly the same government milk the Democrats have been putting out since the 1960s...by the time Obamacare really kicks in there will be nothing left of freedom and liberty except as etchings on stone buildings. Won't get worse? You mean the communist in chief will agree to only add $1.2 Trillion to the debt every year instead of $1.25 Trillion while the House Republicans pats themselves on the back for "holding the line" on spending and taxes??? Maybe we'll go over the cliff and people will start dumpster diving (like they are doing in Greece now) two months later than we would have otherwise.

I can't believe people are so blind that they are still following this guy. Oh well, no since in pouting over it. I'll keep working until he finally brings this country to its knees.

I've heard the arguments back and forth on the moral decline of our society, the Judeo-Christian ethic, whether or not we were founded on Religious principles, and whether we were a humanist secular nation or a Christian nation and up to this point it was mainly academic with pointers going in both directions. Last night I saw it quantified. How any one could vote for and not see through a thinly cloaked avowed socialist who has proven that his ideology is divisive and destructive can only mean one of two things. Either Americans are not very bright or we have ceased to be a culture that looked out for his fellow man and are willing to burn it all to the ground as long as we get our Union pensions, welfare, cell phone, government checks, and healthcare, Two things that became reality last night: 1. We are no longer a Judeo-Christian nation and govern by the principles of our founding fathers and documents. 2. The secular-humanist now outnumber the conservatives. You can argue that these are good things, but every part of our society that is measurable would refute that claim. You can argue that we are progressing, yet every quantifiable measurement would deny that. We only have to look at the history of those who have gone before us in Germany, Russia, Italy, Greece, France, China, England, Spain ........... Argue what you may, but the moral decline in America is now quantifiable and present. We have stripped the values of our founding from the highest levels of authority and this is what we have been left with. This is not fatalist, but I propose we let the socialist have full economic control and let them finish what is unavoidable. By fighting it we only prolong the pain and suffering that is inevitable. When it is in ashes and the people cry out for redemption, we rebuild from the beginning, fresh and new. My 2 cents or 1/2 cent once inflation catches up.

Two reasons there will ALWAYS be only two parties running this place: 1. Pandering 2. Stupid people

[quote name='Steelharp' timestamp='1352334612' post='841476'] Is he a troll? He has 244 active posts; he didn't just join, he's been here for almost 3 years. True, not a terribly active member, for whatever reasons he may have. Does a differing opinion constitute being a troll?[/quote] No, not until he attacked a guy for having a different opinion. Just stirring the pot. He knew he was going to get naysayers, and that's cool. But ETP didn't insult him or anything and this dude was a dick about it for no reason. He should go piss up a rope, elsewhere.

It seems like I have repeated this until I am blue in the face and folks like you just refuse to get it. Romney was never going to get my vote, nor the vote of any real Libertarian. Whenever you vote your conscience you are not throwing the vote away, no matter how impossible it is for your chosen candidate to win. Romney was a terrible candidate who was on the wrong side of all of the civil liberty issues I was concerned with. From the NDAA, to the drone wars, Gitmo, drug laws and the Patriot Act Romney had the same stance as Obama on all these issues. Why on earth would I vote for him?

I think people will blame absolutely anyone they can to justify their anger that their man lost. I do not believe that even if independents voted for either a Republican or Democrat it would have made any difference. There were not enough independent votes in Ohio or Virginia to have made a difference one way or another. Those states still would have gone to Obama. Even if Romney won Florida, he still would have lost. Hell, Romney could have taken Ohio and Florida and STILL lost. If you want to hold on to a theory that independents cost Romney the election, go grab yourself a calculator and look at each individual states results. He lost, move on. Furthermore, isn't it kind of... well, stupid, to be upset because people won't bend on their principles? "Oh jeez, unlike me you won't bend on your principles, you actually have beliefs and ethics you wont sacrafice. Darn." Forgive my rant, this is about the upteenth time I have heard this rhetoric today.

[quote name='kesava' timestamp='1352318733' post='841253'] You're a very sad example of an individual to assume that I can't articulate myself or support my stance because my response wasn't within the time frame your expected. I would challenge you in a game of wit, but clearly you're unarmed. [/quote] Since you can't support your stance. [IMG]http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk59/bubbiesdad/troll-01.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk59/bubbiesdad/trolldetected.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk59/bubbiesdad/savings.jpg[/IMG]

I heard about this and the people reporting tone sounded like they were in disbelief that this was happening. I mean you cant make a chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.

[quote name='mikegideon' timestamp='1352315214' post='841201'] I've lived there twice. The subject comes up. I'm betting it has reached a dull roar about now. [/quote] This morning, Davy Crockett's famous line of "Y'all can go to hell, I'm going to Texas." was going through my mind. But then, I thought back to my two years spent in Houston. You can't find a pork sandwich down there to save your life.

Karma is going to be a real bi!ch for a while.

[quote name='nysos' timestamp='1352313641' post='841171'] Canada is starting to loosen up some of their gun laws, that is my prime choice at the moment. [/quote] Press 1 for English or 2 for French. No thanks. I'm moving to Texas. I figure they're about ready to seal the borders.

[url="http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html"]http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html[/url] The first few FAQs will confirm what has already been stated here.

That is the great thing about this country, you are entitled to voice your opinion, no matter how short-sighted or asinine it may be. That is, until your man completely undermines the Constitution.

Oh yeah hes doing a bang up job.... [url="http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fbc-fns-20120902-obamarecord.jpg"]http://cloudfront.me...obamarecord.jpg[/url] http://www.politicalmathblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Job-Gains-By-Presidential-Tenure-Medium.jpg And lets not forget my brothers in arms who got killed in Benghazi, because their Commander in Chief failed them when they needed him the most. Or the fact that his plan for the military includes neutering us when they are needed most. I've seen the messiah in person. He looks at people wearing a military uniform like a piece of dog crap stuck to the bottom of his wifes $10k shoe.

[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1352307183' post='841056'] Yeah...right...the Repubs lost because too many people talk about gays and rape. All the Republicans need to do is to look just like the Democratic party and all will be well with the world. [/quote] Robert, I can't fight with you guys for the next four years. Obama didn't win a great victory last night, but he won because even with the bad leadership and poor economy people are tired of the scare tactics. There are actually some adults out there that want real straight talk about the big issues. The voters know that things are bad under Obama, but crazy talk, scare tactics and clicking your heels are not a solution. So,what do you do? As I mentioned in another thread, the demographics of the country are going to continue to change. If the GOP remains the party of the angry old white man it is DOOMED.

I don't know where some of you folks are getting the idea that the GOP is suddenly going to grow a brain or a pair and care how 2% of the population voted...maybe you all had more JD than I did last night but I don't see it happening. I've followed the Republican party for nearly 50 years and I've NEVER seen it be truly different than it is today. More to the point, if it takes giving millions of criminals citizenship to get the "Hispanic vote" or being okay with killing babies in the womb to get unmarried whores who are too lazy or too stupid to use birth control or saying telling the masses that they can do any damn drug they want so long as we can tax it or telling homosexuals that they can marry anyone or anything they want then I don't want anything to do with such a party...if I was okay with all that #### I'd just be a democrat.

[b] [size=4]Rev. 22:12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Obama, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”[/size][/b] (edited for arrogance.)

Last Saturday night I was sitting at a local, weekly auction when I noticed a guy who I went to school with who often attends the auction - and who is now one of the local cops (he was off duty) get up and go outside while talking on his cell phone. He came back in and spoke to the auctioneer who announced that someone had just hit a deer out on the highway and did anyone want it. My hand went up. Well, Bobby (the off duty cop) told me that the deer was still alive and that the officers who called would wait until I got there to shoot it. Not wanting it to suffer, I hurried out there. True to their word, they put it out of its misery when I arrived and helped me load it into the back of my truck. I took it home and my brother in law and I - by the light of a drop cord light - cleaned and processed it. The meat was all in good shape. When the deer was hit, it had mostly shattered one of its forelegs and broke one of its antlers off (the remaining antler was a spike with just enough of a prong to make that antler a 'two point' so I guess it is possible that it was a four point buck before the accident. Not a huge deer but very solid. I'm guessing probably about sixty to seventy five pounds of meat - including the heart and liver that I kept. I am not skilled/equipped enough to do 'steaks' and so on but I can do the basic 'primal cuts'. I now have two racks of venison ribs (I purposefully left a good bit of meat on them), two hind quarter roasts, two front shoulder roasts, two boneless (front) shanks, the majority of the liver, already sliced (I fed some of the liver to my dog, raw, and she loved it) and a decent chunk of backstrap in the freezer. I also have some 'odds and ends' pieces that I plan to grind into 'burger'. I sliced and fried the heart in butter and had that along with some pan fried backstrap (dredged in seasoned flour and cornmeal) with biscuits and gravy for breakfast Sunday morning. I plan to put one of the hindquarter roasts into a disposable roasting pan with a braising liquid and cook it on my smoker for Thanksgiving. Man, I love venison. I don't like seeing anything (even a possum) get hit by a car and I hate seeing anything suffer. I am happy to have the meat in the freezer, though. Waste not, want not, right?

[quote name='Razz' timestamp='1352295387' post='840942'] Yeah, I figured. I guess I'm just wondering why capitalism doesn't kick in and flood the stores with product. If I'm an ammunition manufacturer, I should have seen this coming and driven up supply to further line my pockets. Are margins really so thin that over-production is an issue or are there laws in place that limit manufacturing? [/quote] I don't know but will take a guess. I think a lot of the manufacturers are running at capacity to keep up with demand. When I see government agencies buying billions of rounds, it makes me think they get priority. When you get a spike in civilian demand, they just can't make it fast enough, but expanding is dangerous because the demand may slack up.

I guess I'm one of the ones eating crow. I've heard they're pretty good if they've been in the corn field for a while. I honestly thought that there were enough people with 2 brain cells left in the country. Guess not.

[quote name='mikegideon' timestamp='1352262169' post='840737'] Y'all give it a rest. Obama won. Enjoy [/quote] Good point. Now, the GOP has got to examine itself. The demographics are going to continue to change and the GOP is going have to make women and minorities feel welcomed into the party. I'm not saying give up core beliefs or values. I'm saying make all Americans feel welcomed into the party, stop the gay bashing, hate only those who warrant hatred, and stay out of a woman's bloomers. ECONOMY, SECURITY AND EDUCATION will equal PROSPERITY!

Lot's of people making the case that Obama is horrible and Romney isn't so bad, so everyone should vote for Romney. I'm just curious - and really, I don't want to start a fight here - but at what point do you say "No, they are both too bad to vote for. I'm going to 'waste' my vote on a 3rd party, or not vote at all." I realize this is hypothetical, but I think it is a valid question. I mean, some people have already reached that limit, what is the limit for the rest of you? I assume that limit exists for everyone - surely nobody on this forum is going to assert that if it was Hitler vs. Stalin they would still be touting this "Don't waste your vote" line. Where is the limit for you? As long as there is somebody slightly better than Hitler/Stalin? As long as there is somebody better than Obama? Again, just curious.

[quote name='DaddyO' timestamp='1352250524' post='840476'] Explain how a citizen exercising his 4th amendment right is not normal. You seem to be suggesting that the LEO would have been justified in shooting him simply for not answering his question. How absurd. Is that the kind of cop you are? [/quote] I’m not a cop; haven’t been for many years. And if you read what I posted and interpreted it as me saying I thought it was okay to shoot him for not answering the question; then there’s no point in you and I continuing the discussion.

Its that time again, reminder to enter Sig Sauer's sweepstakes. This month is a 1911 POW-MIA pistol. I actually seen one of these earlier in the week at a Pawn Shop in Maryville. [url="http://www.sigsauer.com/TeamSig/Sweepstakes.aspx"]http://www.sigsauer.com/TeamSig/Sweepstakes.aspx[/url]

[quote name='NRA' timestamp='1352333877' post='841465']seem kinda small to be man feet[/quote] My, what small feet you have! The better to fit betwixt your cheeks, my dear.

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1352332169' post='841435'] I would have loved to hear kesava's answers to ET. Looks like that won't be happening. He's just around for the moment, stirring poop. kesava, you know that bed you made will slowly wither away, until it's nothing. Enjoy it, troll. [/quote] Is he a troll? He has 244 active posts; he didn't just join, he's been here for almost 3 years. True, not a terribly active member, for whatever reasons he may have. Does a differing opinion constitute being a troll?

He is wrong. You can buy a long gun such as your rifle from an FFL in another state. For all other inter-state firearms transactions you must have the gun sent to an FFL in the buyer's state. Scenario 1: You buy a rifle from Joe's Gun Shop in Kentucky, but you life in Tennessee. Status: perfectly legal. Scenario 2: You buy a handgun from Joe's Gun Shop in Kentucky, but you life in Tennessee. Status: illegal. Scenario 3: You buy a rifle OR a handgun from Bill the guy you know in Alabama, but you life in Tennessee. Status: illegal. edited to correct misinformation, thanks OhShoot for correcting me

[quote]It was proven last night that more people want Other People's money than want freedom and liberty or anything close to financial responsibility[/quote] It just occurred to me that, in a sense, we are just bringing back slavery. The freedom loving minority will slave away providing the entitled majority with goods and services, all while the entitled majority kick back and drink their iced tea...or perhaps a nice glass of Kool-Aid.

[quote name='Peace' timestamp='1352266649' post='840819'] So is the there anyone who thinks there will NOT be a run on ammo or ARs? If so, It'd be great to hear your thoughts. [/quote] There shouldn’t be. But as you can see here, it looks like we are going to do it to ourselves again. Some people don’t seem to be happy unless they are overreacting about gun laws that no one has proposed expect them. The anti’s can just set back and have a good laugh…. Again. Luckily I’m pretty well set. I won’t need to buy anything until the prices go back down. All the guys that got burned last go around paying hundreds more for their AR’s than they were worth will be able to unload them on a new group this time. [img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/TourGlide/Web%20Stuff/biggrin.gif[/img]

Remember this. Obama got 69% of the hispanic vote. Obama offered a path to citizenship for young hispanics while Romney offered them an opportunity to self deport. Something to remember the next time around when the numbers will be even higher.

[quote name='ThePunisher' timestamp='1352264655' post='840788'] Congratulations, and enjoy your JD. [/quote] Thanks, but I only made a prediction based upon Romney's actions and words. Obama is still a disappointment and the people still have work to do. I hope that we can do it without being ugly to one another. This country deserves better from our leaders and representatives.

Far out. Megan goes halfway across Fox building to interview the guys in the Decision Desk Room about their decision to call Ohio in response to Rove's ranting. Boy she really is one fine lookin' dame....don't get to see her walking around much. - OS

Downtowns getting rough these days. Some people don't belong in a functioning society, pants around your knees is always a prime indicator that you are one of those people. Followed closely by the straight bill cap.