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[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1352157408' post='839603'] Okay...at first blush, I don't see this as some big breech of this marine's rights. Regardless of our "rights" and regardless of whether the state we are in at the moment does or doesn't allow open carry and/or constitutional carry; I don't think it should be difficult to understand that when an officer stops us, whether he was or wasn't justified in doing so, it's not unreasonable that the officer may be concerned about the fact that we are armed and may be overly cautious. I guess what I'm saying is that both this marine and this officer could benefit from some relaxation techniques. In the meantime; I'll listen to this again...maybe I missed something. [/quote] Next time you're handcuffed for nearly an hour by an officer who admits you committed no crime come back and tell me YOUR rights weren't breached.

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1352130478' post='839360'] It's called modern day slavery, Gordon. The government hands out money or services with very little requirement or qualification to keep people off the employment list. Many takers, quite a few criminals and cheats in there. Money paid out by the government essentially equates to power for those handing it out, wealth redistribution. It's even being paid for with borrowed money with no chance of being repaid. Obama's and other liberals way of "fundamentally transforming our nation" Just one way, though. It started out maybe(I doubt it) with good intentions and morphed into something evil. And that doesn't include free Obamaphones and other political trickery. [/quote] What has happened is that it was given out to some, those who really needed it. And it slowly went from the poor needy people who are actually in need to those who don't need it but just want it and are willing to lie to get it. It is the entitlement generation that believes they are entitled to the prosperity of those who worked hard before them. I have actually heard one of them say that someone else worked really hard so they didn't have to. There are several things that need to be done to weed out the fat. First, require them to take a drug test when they apply and then at least once annually. If you are so poor you need public money then the public has a right to ensure that money is not supporting illegal activities. 1st offense you lose the funds for one month. Next time is six months. A third time would remove you from the rolls indefinitely. Second, they need to require them to perform some sort of public service. I know our highways could use a good cleaning of litter. Paint or clean up buildings or empty lots in their neighborhoods. Or maybe answer the phone of a government office to answer the most common question of all "Are you open". Third, publish a by name list of those who receive public assistance. Nothing more than a name and the town in which they live. People should be embarrased to receive public money in lieu of working. Fourth, get rid of the automatic renewal system. Make the recipients come down to have their cards refilled and maybe take a drug test. And remove the ability to get unhealthy foods when using public funds. I was in a fast food restaurant the other day that accepted EBT cards. Fifth, set a lifetime limit of say 4 years. That is you can only receive 48 months of public assistance during your life. If you choose to use it while you are 18-22 then you can never get it again. Everyone gets to a point in their life in which they could apply for governement assistance. And that is what it is for and not for those who receive it their entire lives and enver work. And finally, require an ID proving citizenship in order to receive anything. If you are not here legally you get NOTHING. Dolomite

"I don't like someone with a gun" That says it all right there. And the only one being confrontational was the cop. Period. Why do some LEOs have such an issue with a citizen knowing and exercising his rights? Is it little man syndrome, or is it just that they believe that a citizen should just do whatever they say without questioning it, whether it violates someone's constitutional rights or not?

What a screwy poll. One might logically agree with 1 [i]and[/i] 2, or 2 [i]and[/i] 3. - OS

I'm not taking the bait tonight. I don't like Romney or Obama. Regardless who wins tomorrow, we lose. They both suck!

[img]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/06/esu9a3un.jpg[/img] Look at the very bottom of picture....still funny though!

[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1352131845' post='839379'] .......seeing them getting picked off is making it hard for me to keep following the show. [/quote] I have the opposite reaction. Departing from the "good guy always wins" convention makes it more tense, and emphasizes just how dangerous a world like that would be. More "realistic" drama which overrides a good bit of the inherent [i]un[/i]realistic premise in the first place. Since anyone seems to be fair game for croaking, it makes the whole thing a bit more unsettling. - OS

If you're caught without some sort of liability insurance, the state should impound your vehicle until you show proof of some kind of liability insurance.

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Ghetto trash dress that way an they are all animals. The fact that they relieve themselves like animals comes as no surprise.

Does a Police Officer have the right to detain or disarm a person they perceive as a threat? I don’t know if the SCOTUS has ever answered that question or not. That will be the question that will need to be answered in his civil case, if there is one. If I ask a person if they have any weapons and they responded with the kind of BS this guy did; I am in fear for my safety and he would be in cuffs. If he wanted to sue me, or my department wanted to fire me; so be it. The guy was obliviously trying to set the cop up for a lawsuit. The mistake the cop made was trying to reason with the guy when it was obvious he wasn’t interested in hearing it. The cop should have cuffed him, ran his checks, waited on his back-up, wrote him, warned him or whatever he was going to do and then let him go. All that conversation about rights, Officer safety and the Constitution was not necessary. The other mistake the cop made was stopping the guy before he had a violation. He already had PC for a stop (citizens complaint), but I wouldn’t stop him until I had witnessed a violation. And why does “Marine Helo Pilot” have anything to do with it? Would something be different if it was a “Dirt bag on a motorcycle”? From listening to the audio; both descriptions apply.

[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1352158265' post='839612'] So are you suggesting that so long as a source says what you need it to say, it doesn't matter where it comes from or what their bias might be? It sure didn't seem to work that way for my master's degree....those professors always insisted on "competent sources"; the Huffington Post and Wikipedia were not acceptable! ROTFLMAO [/quote] Folks hear what they wanna hear. I'm worn out on the whole damn thing. If somebody bought the picture the Obama campaign painted of Romney, they're just not gonna see it any other way. The 6 billion dollar election cycle did its magic.

I'm preparing for both ends of the spectrum. If Mitt wins, I get to play plinko from my roof top. If Obama wins I have candy and popcorn to eat and plastic to cover my electronics while I watch all of the heads of Obama opponents spontaneously combust.

With the impending riots I was surprised that the range wasn't at full capacity today. Everyone must have been at home fortifying their fighting positions.

I could be wrong but I'm thinking the vast majority of the people threatening a riot are a bunch of college age libtard pu$&ys who wouldn't even begin to actually try anything remotely resembling a riot. The rest may actually do something but as others have said they won't even leave outside of a three block radius to the nearest check cashing liquor store. I'm not at all concerned, we're ready at our house just in case. I do wish there were some good riots happening actually, a lot of wanna be thug suburban white kids with an "eff the police, anarchy for America, I'm BA" type attitude I'd like to round up and drop off. Love to see how they feel if they make it out.

4 more years of Obama and it won't matter who we elect. Obamacare will be entrenched, destroying quality healthcare in this country, and coincidentally acting as another boat anchor on the remnants of employment. EPA regs now being written will be in force, terminating coal production. Price of electricity will triple, even with the rolling brownouts we will have due to loss of generating capacity. Oil and natural gas production will take serious hits, we will see $7 -$10 gas. There will be wars, and rumors of wars, because this country will no longer be an effective force in foreign affairs. Inflation will ramp up. The nation will drop to, possibly, AA credit rating or worse. A Weimar scenario will be a strong possibility. New gun control regulations (not legislation, as it couldn't get through the house) will just be the opening salvo of his attack on Constitutional freedoms. Look for restrictions on speech, economic activity, right to privacy, right to property.

[quote name='kieefer' timestamp='1352144116' post='839465'] .....Watching past elections I believe local elections are where you change the direction, not in national elections. [/quote] The US Constitution agrees. That's why it only stipulated that people voted for their area representative. Not senators or even president. The American Idol method of choosing the president has become an abomination. We'd do well with going back to what the constitution intended, which was to become more involved with politics by holding local reps' feet to the fire about everything in Washington. Including choosing the prez. - OS

[quote name='Drewsett' timestamp='1352074109' post='839120']If any of you could name more than two third parties; or more than one third party candidate's name, I'd be surprised.[/quote] I can but it has no impact on how I voted because I won't throw my vote away by voting for a non-viable candidate (plus I have at least as many, and in ssome cases many more, philosophical problems with these third and fourth tier candidates as I do with Romney, although not the same ones). [quote name='Drewsett' timestamp='1352074109' post='839120']...the reason our candidates didn't make the cut is because they weren't Democrat or Republican. Between the fact that the DNC/RNC control the access to the debates through imposition of arbitrary percentages and the fact that the mainstream media are in the business of appealing to the... mainstream, you won't hear anything about these so called "fringe" candidates.[/quote] They didn't make it because none of them have ever appealed to more than a fringe percentage of the population...their message doesn't resonate...supporters of these third party candidates can blame everything from sun spots to unfair treatment in the press but at the end of the day, these candidates have no chance because THEY don't have a message that works. As to the debates, I don't want to see a presidential debate with 10 candidates who, if you took the eight who were not the R or D nominee and combined their votes together, they won't get more than 1-2% of the vote - why the hell would I want to wast time hearing them in a debate. [quote name='Drewsett' timestamp='1352074109' post='839120']...but the simple fact remains: the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. ..[/quote] You mean like RP running for president multiple times without ever gaining any ground?

What those on welfare don't realize is they have given up their dreams and aspirations for what amounts to less than minimum wage. I know I would be pissed if I looked back at what my life had been and realized I had become a slave to the governments will. They are given just enough to keep them from trying. Dolomite

People have a right to vote for anyone they want but the idea of a "protest vote" is about as ill-conceived as a screen door on a submarine...I guess it just goes to prove that some folks would rather believe in fairy tales than get their hands dirty doing the real work of effecting change. If anyone thinks voting for some meaningless third-party hack or writing in someone who isn't even good enough to be picked up by a third party is going to make a difference to the "two party system" or make "Republicans take notice" they are fooling only themselves (assuming they actually believe it). If Obama wins reelection, either because you voted for him or effectively voted for him then we'll all be getting exactly the kind of country we deserve.

[quote name='TrickyNicky' timestamp='1352168040' post='839752'] I've had to deal with homeless dumping on the back wall of one of my businesses before. It puts you in a weird position, you know you need to catch them in the act if you want to try to do anything about it besides clean it with a hose,but you really I mean really don't want too. [/quote] Just so you know, homeless people hate a water pistol filled with a 90% solution of ammonia. Of this I am absolutely certain.

Surprise Surprise. Im sorry you go over here and risk your life and no you cant vote to remove me. And I agree about the internet voting thats just plain stupid.

I am concerned that more and more we see officers that would rather treat every citizen as a suspect rather than a fellow citizen. Police are civilians too. They need to realize that just because someone is armed does not equate to reasonable suspicion or probable cause for anything. The fact that the supervisor ordered him released tells me there wasn't anything to it more than likely - officers have a litany of things they can arrest for if they are angry. Some police I think are scared of citizens from the time they go onto the road until they come off. That is unhealthy for them as well as society.

[quote name='mcurrier' timestamp='1352153164' post='839559'] Stopping a ticking time bomb is better off than not, even if the other guy is a complete dud. We know what we will get with the one. At worst, it's just a matter of putting on the brakes for that. Difference is for our side, we don't consider our candidate to be the messiah. The other side does. So at least we are sober and can acknowledge that while everything might not turn to sunshine and lollypops, going the other way is going to mean eating a lot of turd sandwiches. [/quote] This is where I differ from many ... The ticking time bomb NEEDS to go off before anything of substance will happen. Until then (1-5-10 years) -- Everyone will continue to live in a false *utopia*

I saw a polymer AR15 complete lower for $110 at the Nashville Gun Show this weekend. I sat down to fill out the paperwork while the guy was dealing with another customer. I filled out my paperwork and set it on the table along with my drivers license. I picked up the dealers business card and to my surprise I saw Kikrnu Firearms as the dealer name. I waited till the guy was done with his other customer and asked if his name was Leonard. He confirmed he was Leonard, so I took my application and my license and ripped it up as I was walking away. Just wanted to let people know he is at the show.

[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1352148527' post='839500'] Not to get off topic but even though I've asked the question of proponents of repeal of the (I believe) 17th amendment, no one has been able to demonstrate to me that the legislature of each sate choosing its senators would provide "better" senators than we have gotten by electing them. [/quote] The State Legislature had the ability to appoint, or recall at their whim, (or more correctly, the electorate's whim), the Senators. I know my local Representative, on a first name, he sees me coming he runs, either to shake my hand or hide basis. I can instruct him as the Tennessee Constitution intends. Never get a chance to speak to Alexander or Corker, so my influence there is far less than it is with my State Representative. It was how it was intended to be.

[quote name='OhShoot' timestamp='1352149127' post='839508'] What a screwy poll. One might logically agree with 1 [i]and[/i] 2, or 2 [i]and[/i] 3. - OS [/quote] Yup. Just like many of the so-called media's watered down "polls" that have all of the answers still leaning slightly towards one side of the topic on even the best possible answer. Where are the "Hell No!" and other more vigorous choices?

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gsa4uLmTw0M#!"]http://www.youtube.c...v=gsa4uLmTw0M#![/url]

Excellent Video .... Ending it with Ronald Reagan gave me chills

[quote name='S&WForty' timestamp='1352143012' post='839455'] We could at least count the number of times each phone went to the polls to vote!!! [/quote]I was thinking a better name would be "riot stoppers" because you monitor the info being transmitted and viola, riot stopped.

Tennessee pulled his HCP saying he was a potential threat; so the FEDS gave him FFL. So much for the FEDS taking background checks seriously.

Valerie Jarrett - born in Shiraz, Iran. Tony (Antoin) Rezco - born in Aleppo, Syria Barack ("Barry") Hussein Soetoro Davis 0bama - born in Kenya as witnessed by his grandmother and stated by himself many times in the 1980's and 90's, both verbally and in print. "My muslim faith..." as stated by 0bama verbally on video to George Stephanopoulos. There have been MANY, MANY visitors from the muslim Brotherhood to the White House since B. Hussein has been living there. B. Hussein is good friends with another terrorist, Bill Ayers, the ghost writer to B. Hussein's first book. B. Hussein announced his first run for office at Bill Ayers house. Rod Blagojevich - born Chicago, IL (currently in prison) Rahm Emanuel - born Chicago, IL B. Hussein surrounds himself with a lot of dubious characters. [url="http://www.akdart.com/obama1.html"]http://www.akdart.com/obama1.html[/url] [url="http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/13/Top-Ten-Felons-In-Obamas%20Life"]http://www.breitbart...-In-Obamas Life[/url] 0bama said in his second book, Audacity of Hope, on page 261 that he would "stand with the muslims should the political winds shift..." They ARE shifting, and he is helping to shift them. [url="http://ireporters.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/i-will-stand-with-the-muslims-should-the-political-winds-shift-barack-obama/"]http://ireporters.wo...t-barack-obama/[/url] "Obama's Taqqiya (Lying) Unravels" - [url="http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/obamas_taqqiya_unravels.html"]http://www.americant...a_unravels.html[/url] [img]http://bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/obama_new_yorker_cover_01_wenn5164032.jpg[/img]

The argument can be made that he threatened to shoot me, and I believed him.

[quote name='Il Duce' timestamp='1351961205' post='838376'] This is just for yall and yalls "big" spiders [img]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/04/verydudy.jpg[/img] Sent from my SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2 [/quote] I think that one is a Decepticon based upon its markings. :0)

Great job Daniel.

[img]http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii73/mike243/IMG_0016.jpg[/img] opening morning 7pt, 295g powerbelt on top of 100g 777,good luck to all & have fun

I like to keep mine stored in very small amounts inside small brass cylinders of various diameters.

I think that Glen and Maggie will raise the baby. Carol is still out there she has to be. Look at Carl, wow, that is rough on the kid. Everyone hated Lori, but boy oh boy did they find a way to make her death matter. I like the one inmate stepping up. The blond guy is crazy, he is bad news. That was one rough episode.

[quote name='Slpeod' timestamp='1352082363' post='839214'] It's cheaper at this point to give them an EBT card than to incarcerate them. [/quote] Even cheaper to .... no, never mind...

Well, I'm not going to berate anyone for who they vote for, at least him / her cared enough to go out and exercise their Constitutional right to elect our government. I won't even talk about politics or our problems with people to lazy to exercise their right to vote. But I will state this undisputed fact, either a Republican or Democrat will win the Presidency and most state seats, period, end of story! A protest vote is a vote that doesn't go to a "lesser of two evils". It's simple math. I would love to vote for a candidate better than Mitt Romney, but the numbers are just not there. I personally don't want to endure another four years of Obama, but what other logical choice is there is you don't want to waste your protest vote? The politicians and news media are always going to "spin" the election results to favor their views, not the protest. At any rate, we're still stuck with the results of the election and have to endure the consequences. Remember... We're not a Democracy, we're a Constitutional Republic, and there's a world of difference. Regardless of your political beliefs, at least go out and vote and be heard while we still can. I would implore you to use logic and math before you submit a protest vote. When there is only two viable candidates to assume power over this nation, is it not best to elect the candidate that will lead us down the path of destruction at a slower rate? Just my logic guys...

Wifey got me an M&P 40 for my berfday a few weeks ago and I finally got to wring it out today at the Hobson Pike range! I fed it about 50 rds of WWB first, then 100 of my reloads with Berry's 165gr plated bullets, then 150 more reloads with Zero 165gr JHPs, followed by 50 Winchester 180gr bonded JHPs. One small hiccup that[i] [/i]I attribute to having a bad grip after a fast reload, but other than that the gun was great! I have been shooting revolvers pretty much exclusively for the last 4-5 years and I was pretty disgusted with my accuracy at first. I put down the M&P and picked up my .38 and .44 and was right back in the zone again. I went back to the M&P and then realized I had horrible trigger control for that slightly longer, more awkward striker-fired trigger pull. (I usually shoot the revos in SA) I slowed down, focused on the follow-through and was cloverleafing again in no time. :-) Aaaaahhhhhhh.... that's more like it! Here's the group of friends that accompanied me today: [img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/musicman2705/2012-11-03_15-24-29_218.jpg[/img] and a faster-but-not-quite-rapid-fire target from the 5 yd line: [img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/musicman2705/2012-11-03_15-24-41_191.jpg[/img] As always, I met some great people at the range. I told two newer shooters, Zack and Andreas, about TGO (hope they read this.. Hi!) and got to introduce them both to the world of revolvers. Neither had ever shot one before! I guess revolvers are like typewriters these days, huh? I got to shoot another dude's .54 black powder pistol. I was about 8" high, but my horizontal axis was perfect!! Oh, and the weather was PERFECT!!! Nice lightly cloudy blue sky and a cool breeze. It was better than any indoor range I've been in! This was my second trip to the Hobson Pike range. My first trip was an awful one, and I haven't gone back in over 7 years but I decided to give it a try today because I'm a cheapskate now. It was a good decision.

This has been a nail-biter of an election. Since I have already voted, it doesn't matter much what I think of one candidate or the other. I have now left the ultimate decision before God Almighty, Who gives authority and takes it away. I ask Him to weigh both candidates in the balance and judge their hearts. I firmly believe that God loves righteousness and hates evil, therefore I pray that He will reward the man with the character most like His to be given the office for the next four years. It's the best "not my will, but thine be done" kind of prayer I can muster. It also relieves me of a lot of anxiety, as I also believe that God will not forsake them that are His.

[quote name='K191145' timestamp='1351996012' post='838631'] I searched Bing for a photo-shopped picture I saw a while back of a Gansta Glock with the sights on the side of the slide, I couldn't find it but it was funny as hell. [/quote] [img]http://thefiringline.com/library/gfx/homeboy.jpg[/img] [url="http://thefiringline.com/library/gfx/homeboy.jpg"]http://thefiringline.com/library/gfx/homeboy.jpg[/url] Dolomite

The best protest vote against O would be casting a vote for the only man with the chance to beat O and that is Romney.

That's just stupid. If Obama wins in a land slide, the people making those post still won't take care of their own affairs. Obama won't acknowledge them again until he is campaigning for the next democratic nominee. The belief that people allow themselves to have in politicians makes my head hurt.

This won't play well either, but people should have learned by now if you build on the sea shore or below sea level, you will get washed away.

I'll be surprised if this show last much longer. I couldn't hack it. First of all, how are they so well dressed and manicured?

If a bad guy shows a weapon he IS threatening deadly force and you have every right to respond in kind; I don't consider it a mere "property crime" at that point.No one can guarantee what a DA or a jury might or might not do later but I'm not going to not defend myself because I'm worried about the future; I will do what I can to help ensure that I HAVE a future and then deal with the consequences.

Save everyone the trouble and just search. This topic has been beat as bad as AR vs AK and 9mm vs 45 Sent from my SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

Yep, called "conditional proceed". "What is a Conditional Proceed? If during the background check TICS locates a record with outstanding disqualifying charges or charges that are undeterminable as disqualifying, TICS will deny the transaction. Upon an appeal of the denial, TICS will attempt to find disposition information on the charges in order to make a determination of eligibility to purchase a firearm. If TICS cannot obtain the information within the mandatory 15 day limit, the transaction will be marked as a Conditional Proceed. This means that the firearm dealer may lawfully, at his/her discretion, complete the transfer, although it in no way means that the dealer must complete the transfer. Should the dealer choose not to complete the transfer, your only appeal is to the FBI's NICS Appeals Services Unit. You may contact them at (877) 324-6427." - OS