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[quote name='personDJ' timestamp='1351999551' post='838691'] I can't believe how many think discpline is hitting or spanking. My god I can teach a dog how to behave without hitting and children are much smarter. If your child tears pages from a book then that child is not ready for a book, just take it away until you can teach the child how to handle a book. When a child acts up find out why and change that. Don't change the child by hitting. When it gets to the point that you must hit a child to make them act as you want then maybe it is the spanker that needs some learning [/quote]I think it has become obvious as this point that you don't have children. I am going to politely request that you STFU. Maybe when you can pull your head out of you rectum, you will realize that the world operates on different frequencies for many different reasons. I am sorry that you feel the need to attempt to belittle or insinuate that we are all poor parents because you don't understand where we come from. Maybe you can find it in yourself to go and volunteer at some shelters for children without parents, or for those who have been taken away from their parents. Maybe then you will be able to understand the difference between discipline and abuse. Maybe go to a prison and perform a study and see how many there were raised without rules, with parents who weren't there, or those that were and they tried to 'reason' with their child as they grew. But frankly, until you live a week in a parent shoes, I want you to keep your ignorant tree hugging liberal opinions to yourself. Or at the very least not use me as an example when you get on your flawed and jaded soapbox.

[quote name='gun sane' timestamp='1352006037' post='838732'] I firmly believe that God loves righteousness and hates evil, therefore I pray that He will reward the man with the character most like His to be given the office for the next four years. [/quote] So, the office will be empty for the forseeable future?

[quote name='Jesse' timestamp='1352068556' post='839071']I still stick with spanking is just being lazy [i][b]no matter what anyone says[/b][/i]. [/quote] OK, we won't confuse you with any facts.

[quote name='zort' timestamp='1351985598' post='838524'] sorry to disagree with u all but i really dont think just anyone should carry. convicted felons, minors and people that dont know anything about guns shouldnt carry. id prefer to pass the parking lot bill and let permit holders have more rights to protect themselves and others. i like the stand your ground laws but just would feel uncomfortable with just anyone walking around with guns.[/quote] I understand your sentiments but I have to disagree. I started hunting with a firearm when I was about 9 or 10...started shooting before that...I didn't carry a weapon on me 24/7 nor do I think I should have - I agree that a minor shouldn't be carrying arms unless they have adult supervision (just like minors can't and shouldn't do a whole lot of things like enter into a contract, or vote, etc.) until they are no longer minors. As to people who "don't know anything about guns"....no one knows anything about guns until they decide to learn about them and that includes the most highly respected, most widely know "experts" alive today. As a practical matter, how are you going to decide who qualifies? A test? And if so, shouldn't we also require a minimum score on an IQ test for voting or proof of common sense before allowing people to breathe the air? Maybe everyone should be required to have a psychological evaluation before buying a gun or being allowed to have sex or being allowed to travel from state to state??? Frankly, I think criminals who have committed a violent crime should never be out of jail. Thus, their ability to go armed is moot. Other "felons" who's crimes were not violent and who have served their sentence should, I think, have all their rights restored, including the right to vote and to own arms. In other words, the problem with felons owning guns is not that felons own guns...the problem is a weak and ineffective system of punishment that allows career criminals back onto the street time after time after time who steel the guns of law-abiding people and/or buy them on the black market and then go out and commit more crimes (starting the revolving-door cycle all over again). Just a seat of the pants guess but I suspect that most crime would cease almost immediately if we kept the criminally minded locked up for most or all of their lives. I see no common sense in having restriction on some God given rights while having none on others. more importantly, the rights we talk about and claim are ours don't come from some government or government bureaucrat...they are the rights of all free men; given to us by our creator (or if a person doesn't believe in a creator, simply because they are men). Therefore, these rights should NEVER be infringed except under rare circumstances and only then after due process - the government, in the form of the judicial system and with the consent of the governed can take away any right, even the right to life but it should never be done lightly or unfairly. Bottom line is, and what has taken me a LONG time to learn, is that there is a price to be paid to have true freedom and individual freedom and we either know that and accept it or we don't. If we don't know it or know it but chose to not accept it then we inevitably move toward tyranny and oppression and the suppression of the individual for the sake of the collective. If we truly want to be free and have the greatest amount of personal liberty then we must accept the truth that stupid and/or unintelligent and uneducated people will vote, mentally deranged people will procreate, inept/uncoordinated/mentally handicapped people will drive a vehicle and cause accidents or even kill innocent people and some people who "shouldn't have a gun or who know nothing about guns" will buy one or steel one and do something terrible with it. We have to trust that MOST people will do the RIGHT thing if we want to live in a free society. If we cannot trust people to do that then the ONLY sensible alternative is a totalitarian government that controls everything we do and think and say.

[quote name='jcj' timestamp='1352076228' post='839144'] Hey Greg, you gonna be making those for other firearms? I might want one for a 1911. Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2 [/quote] Yup! Right now they are buy one, get one free.

Of course I’m going to watch it; those guys are heroes. I’ve had it set on the DVR of a few days now. If it’s a plug for Obama then I’ll be back to gripe and moan with everyone else. But I need to make that determination myself. There isn’t anything they could on TV that is going to change how I vote Tuesday. Come on guys…It’s a show about Seal Team Six…. Who would want to miss that? NatGeo… Politics?? No way...This is history.

[quote name='strickj' timestamp='1352049817' post='838915'] This guy isn't voting. I refuse to vote for a gun grabbing, pussy legislating ex-governor that left his state in economic ruins. And I see no reason to waste my time voting for O (or 3rd party) in this state with this winner take all EC system. [/quote] You are certainly entitled to your own opinions regarding voting, but you are not entitled to your own facts. I was in Massachusetts while Governor Romney was the sitting Governor of Massachusetts. He lowered the unemployment rate and he balanced the state budget, all the while working with a leftist Massachusetts Legislature that was 85% democrat. It's amazing that he got anything done at all. Regarding the gun legislation, Massachusetts got what Massachusetts wanted. I suppose he could have vetoed it, but the legislature always had the power to over-ride his veto. It's absolutely fine that you are not voting for President Romney . . . because you dislike his looks, or that he wears a tie, or he's been successful enough to be wealthy, or because you think he has too many kids and grandkids. But it's not accurate to call him a bad or failed governor. He was a very successful Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, in spite of all the odds.

[quote name='mikegideon' timestamp='1352047377' post='838891'] At least we won't have to do much killin', since others are even more prepared. I'm worried about Link though. Being in Memphis, he could easily be killed and eaten before he can reach for his Glock .[/quote] From what the Internet said about Memphis, you won't be able to tell that things have descended into anarchy.

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This has been a nail-biter of an election. Since I have already voted, it doesn't matter much what I think of one candidate or the other. I have now left the ultimate decision before God Almighty, Who gives authority and takes it away. I ask Him to weigh both candidates in the balance and judge their hearts. I firmly believe that God loves righteousness and hates evil, therefore I pray that He will reward the man with the character most like His to be given the office for the next four years. It's the best "not my will, but thine be done" kind of prayer I can muster. It also relieves me of a lot of anxiety, as I also believe that God will not forsake them that are His.

It's funny how the people that complain about spanking seem to have the worst behaving children. Short term pain and discomfort is the learning tool of life. Experiencing discomfort teaches humans to not do that again. Experience leads to wisdom. My parents tried grounding me from things I liked. I just learned to do without and moved onto something else. When I was spanked I learned quickly not to do that again (or at least not get caught). Every human is different. We all respond differently to different things. Some kids need a stern look and some need a stern swat on the rear. To try and make this one size fits all crap and "OMG you're ruining your kids chi" because you spank him is horsecrap. To this day, I learn a good portion of lives' lessons from pain. Children are no exception.

This story is just the beginning. If the truth hurts, bury it under bullsh!t. There will be a dozen conflicting stories and excuses, all designed to obfuscate the facts. There was an AC-130 Spectre and a drone overhead. There were combat air forces an hour out. There was a CIA station in town. There was ample prior warning, and several requests for security from the Benghazi mission. Obama was notified at the beginning of the attack, and he went to bed - needed to be well rested for the Vegas fundraiser the next morning. Doherty and Woods held out for what, 8 hours? More than enough time for an effective response. I'm betting the only confusion was caused by intermediate level commanders ordering rescues and then getting slapped down by NCA.

I was talking to a friend yesterday about what we need to survive a while. Food, water, shelter, heat and protection. As I was talking to him I realized that the 300 might be a perfect survival caliber and why the 223 can be problematic compared to the 300. I am not talking just an AR only but single shots and bolt actions as well. The 300 uses less powder to launch a larger, heavier bullet with more energy. This saves powder in the long run. And because it is a larger caliber you can use a wider variety of powders to load it. You can use ANY bullet designed for any 30 caliber rifle. It can be a bullet for a 30 Carbine or for a 300 Winmag. The 300 will be able to use it. This makes finding bullets for reloading easier. It is easy to cast bullets for the 300. Casting 22 bullets can be troublesome and on top of that you cannot push then to 223 velocities if you do. The 300 does not push the cast bullets hard enough to be a problem in most cases. You do not need to stock up on bullets that will only work with one caliber. You can stock up on lead that will work with most calibers. Cast bullets will expand like most quality jacketed SP's or HP's. Brass is just as common as 223 because it is made from 223. And it will last just as long. And in a worst case scenario you can pick up empty 223's laying on the ground and make 300 brass. You can load it with 50 grain round balls at very mild velocities to hunt squirrel, you can load slow, heavy (over 200 grain) loads for use with a suppressor or fast loads for hunting larger game. Within all useable ranges the 300 has more energy and punches a bigger hole in the targer. And does so with a shorter barrel. With an AR any accessory or component that will work with a 223 will also work with a 300. Be it magazines, bolts, gas blocks, you name it and it will work. I was never a fan of the 300 until I really started reading into it. And then once I got my first and started reloading for it I realized this caliber is pretty amazing. I can say that if I had to pick one caliber the 300 would be it. I would pick it over the 223 any day of the week. Dolomite

I've had this blade for a few months now and I've had the chance to put it through some hard work. I've been really impressed with this knife from BHK. It carries a pretty hefty price tag by my standards ($150), but it has been a real workhorse. It's made of O1 tool steel and seems to have excellent edge retention. It does require regular upkeep to prevent rust. Mine has formed a nice patina on the blade through some use. No problems with rust since I keep it dry and coated with some light lube when not in use. Here's a stock photo from BHK: [img]http://www.blindhorseknives.com/IMG_9461.jpg[/img] Here's mine (fresh from a sharpening, cleaning and oiling): [img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qpMq4MtcF3U/UJcCIwMx8gI/AAAAAAAACQM/jco2pPxIeAs/s800/20121104_190044-1.jpg[/img]

This is one I built last weekend and hated. So I decided to drag it out of the scrap heap, throw away half the design and do something different. This is my favorite one so far. Its incredibly quick in the hand and as built as a combat quality bowie. The blade is hand forged 1084 steel, with a hidden tang design, a mild steel guard, and a seasoned oak handle. I plan to tong oil the handle this week. This one is for sale, but right now Im gonna spend the money to have an everyday carry style sheath built for it. Let me know what you think. Before the redesign [IMG]http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee356/tnplowboy07/2012-10-28_20-05-40_894.jpg[/IMG] Finished knife [IMG]http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee356/tnplowboy07/2012-11-03_11-17-52_594.jpg[/IMG]

I like to keep mine stored in very small amounts inside small brass cylinders of various diameters.

And T-Dogg goes out a hero.

[quote name='personDJ' timestamp='1352073686' post='839116'] You know so little. I can say what I want you also can. there is no need for the nasty reply. I have children grown with their own children and they don't spank or hit their kids as I did not. I fell hitting or spanking a child is done by some because they haven't learned to get their way in any other manner. I know you won't like this but maybe I have a more inlighten brain. For you to berate me because I taught my children without hitting or spanking is really sad. I am just saying maybe you believe in spanking because you don't see another way.This is for anyone. To spank just because you were spanked doesn't mean it is just. By the way I never said anyone was a bad parent. I know plenty of folks that spank their children and I don't hold it against them so let's not hold it against me because I used other means. [/quote] We have an issue with you implying that those who spank their children are wrong while you are right. We are all different and how we raise our children is also different. Seems kind of self righteous to think that you are the only one doing the right thing. You are not right and you are not wrong. What you are is somehwere in the middle, just as the rest of us. [color=#0000FF]Spanking is not abuse, abuse is abuse[/color]. (I promise I did not copy this from you Fist. I had it typed out before you posted). I will not negotiate with a 3 year old to get them to do what I want them to. I will not bribe them nor will I succumb to their wishes in order to make them happy. That only sets them up to feel like they are going to get what they want if they make enough noise or be bad enough. My job is to prepare my child for the real world and if you are not preparing your child for the same then you are failing your child. Dolomite

[quote name='Jesse' timestamp='1352068556' post='839071'] Once you start off spanking youll prob stick with it much like people who smoke. You cant spank then do timeouts and expect them to work. I still stick with spanking is just being lazy no matter what anyone says. We started timeouts and taking away toys with our kid since she was 6 months old. She is 6 now and is very resonable and kind, she knows right from wrong. She is pretty politicaly correct for her age. She is a calm kid compared to hyper 6 year olds like I was. We havent gotten on to her in weeks. She beside me now playing Angry Birds. You dont have to spank, but if its something the parents fill they must bring out of their bag of parenting skills, then so be it. Just remember kids do as they see and hear. [/quote] Your children do not share my DNA; mind do. Since they are akin to me, they require the occasional rap to the hind quarters to stay in line just as I did. I grew up in a different time and place than we have now. I once spanked another person's child, and didn't know the child OR the parent. I was shooting pool in a country store with a friend, when a little boy came in, grabbed a handful of talcum powder, and threw it all over me. I turned him over my knee and spanked his rear end. If the mother objected, she never said anything. I might have done the same to her had she objected. Children who aren't disciplined often turn out to be the sort of adults who have screwed this once great country up!

Well, I'm not going to berate anyone for who they vote for, at least him / her cared enough to go out and exercise their Constitutional right to elect our government. I won't even talk about politics or our problems with people to lazy to exercise their right to vote. But I will state this undisputed fact, either a Republican or Democrat will win the Presidency and most state seats, period, end of story! A protest vote is a vote that doesn't go to a "lesser of two evils". It's simple math. I would love to vote for a candidate better than Mitt Romney, but the numbers are just not there. I personally don't want to endure another four years of Obama, but what other logical choice is there is you don't want to waste your protest vote? The politicians and news media are always going to "spin" the election results to favor their views, not the protest. At any rate, we're still stuck with the results of the election and have to endure the consequences. Remember... We're not a Democracy, we're a Constitutional Republic, and there's a world of difference. Regardless of your political beliefs, at least go out and vote and be heard while we still can. I would implore you to use logic and math before you submit a protest vote. When there is only two viable candidates to assume power over this nation, is it not best to elect the candidate that will lead us down the path of destruction at a slower rate? Just my logic guys...

I have some powder that has been around 20 years and still works just fine. I keep mine in cabinets in the garage. There are seasonal heat/cool variations, but nothing that has caused any degradation. I just opened an 8 pound jug of HP-38 that I bougth in 2002 (for $79.00!), It is working just great in my .45 loads. If you powder is bad, it will smell VERY bad.

Once you start off spanking youll prob stick with it much like people who smoke. You cant spank then do timeouts and expect them to work. I still stick with spanking is just being lazy no matter what anyone says. We started timeouts and taking away toys with our kid since she was 6 months old. She is 6 now and is very resonable and kind, she knows right from wrong. She is pretty politicaly correct for her age. She is a calm kid compared to hyper 6 year olds like I was. We havent gotten on to her in weeks. She beside me now playing Angry Birds. You dont have to spank, but if its something the parents fill they must bring out of their bag of parenting skills, then so be it. Just remember kids do as they see and hear.

Do you have a link to the original? That is to small to read.

[quote name='QuietDan' timestamp='1352056937' post='838983'] I'm expecting them to be scaled back when a new administration starts culling the squirrels out of the bird-feeders. I'm all for taking care of the "widows and orphans" which we are called upon to consider. Heck, my wife and I feed the birds so they don't starve or freeze in the winter. But, we draw the line at the "squirrels" human or otherwise, who are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves with a little effort on their part. A lot of the EBT cards were passed out hand over fist -- they should have just printed the EBT cards with "Vote for Me, Barack Obama, your Sugar Daddy." They handed their supporters EBT cards instead of cash (nearly the same thing) because it's against the law to offer cash for votes. [/quote] I think if you are getting food from the government then it should be distributed as it was in the earlier days.You go down to the local office and picked up your block of cheese,powder milk and whatever else. No card so you can go to the quick mart and get a mountian dew and 2 bags of flaming cheetos

People that are on Twitter starting a riot. That’s funny as heck. [img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/TourGlide/Web%20Stuff/rollfloor.gif[/img] [img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/TourGlide/Web%20Stuff/bs.gif[/img]

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1352046825' post='838887'] Like I say, that’s a call for the cops when/if they come, and then for the DA if they want to prosecute. My point is that the under the domestic violence laws cops hands aren’t tied like they were years ago when DCFS had to handle everything. You hit your kid hard enough to leave a mark and I would have had no choice but to put you in cuffs and book you into the jail on domestic violence charges. I have been called to schools when the teachers found marks. The Judges and juries decide if its abuse or good parenting. It’s an emotional topic. Some people believe that violence is not a tool that should be used in training kids or animals (me), and most people don’t want to be called bad parents when they think they are doing the right thing. [/quote]First, thank you for trying to be calm and subjective in your disagreements. You are right. It is an emotional topic. But trying to explain what is right or wrong is not for you to judge either. Even if you do have that badge on your chest. If there are no marks, my daughter hasn't been harmed in any way other than alligator tears, who are you to tell me that my well behaved and adjusted child is abused, and that I am a parent who is not doing the right thing? I fall very far over the line of those that are convinced that there is not enough discipline in the world. From parents who ignore their child in the grocery store and drop them off at the school to be raised, to the judges that allow hardened criminals to plea down to time served in violent crimes. I suppose I am just flabbergasted when I see folks (again, that I must assume are not parents, since again, none of you have asserted that you in fact are) that are so solidly convinced that trying to raise a child to be polite, respectful and mindful of not only themselves, but others around them. I have lost count of the time that my daughter has looked at me when we are out an about, she will see a child somewhere throwing themselves in the floor, screaming, knocking things off the of the shelf, throwing a tantrum to end all tantrums. My daughter sees that, she looks at me and says "Gosh Daddy, I think he needs a whupping. Aren't you glad I don't act like that?" What my daughter doesn't see is the parent (usually a young mother) standing there watching their child act this way with mouth agape. After all, there is no way that it is her fault that Junior acts like this... I work with my child because I love her. And yes, she has been known to get a spanking. But something you limp wristed non-parents need to understand is that my daughter is actually whupped maybe once a year. Not every day several times from the time she wakes up till she goes to sleep a quivering mass of frightened and abused human. That makes it too easy to imagine me being a bad parent. After all, I confess that do do this horrible evil deed. I must do it daily. Dave, I am sorry if this came out heavily directed at you, I didn't mean for it to be. But as we admitted, this is an emotional topic.

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1352037941' post='838800'] I don’t think anyone here is saying that “spanking” is necessarily abuse. That’s a call for the cops to make when they arrive. [/quote] Read closer, Person DJ and Jesse are both claiming with a blanket statement that anyone that spanks a child is hitting them. No differentiation between discipline and abuse. If you hit, you hit, and you are a bad bad person.

FFL123.com is very informative on the requirements and process for obtaining a FFL.

The National Guards ALWAYS shows up. It's common for them to lock down areas like barrier islands because that's where most of the real destruction happens. They locked down Perdido Key after Ivan. It's a GOOD thing.

I don’t think anyone here is saying that “spanking” is necessarily abuse. That’s a call for the cops to make when they arrive. I was one of the cops that had to make that call. I never arrested anyone for spanking their child. But I did arrest a few for domestic violence when I saw bruises or welts from a belt on a child’s back or butt. Hit your kid with something other than an open hand if you want to, but know that if another family member or a school teacher calls the cops; the chances are pretty good you are going to jail. All of those I arrested were appalled at the idea that anyone would call them a bad parent. I generally told then to get over it and start making arrangements for bail; you don’t want to go into jail as a child abuser. I am a parent and a Grandparent. Two kids, because I was beat as a child I never laid a hand on either of them; they turned out great. They don’t beat their kids either.

The governor is collecting women and repopulating. My guess is he will try to find Rick's group and kill the men and take the women. Daryl and Merle have a conflict coming for sure. Daryl will either see his brother and want to be with him again, and at the same time, he will want to stay with the group. OR Daryl will stick solely with the group and try to kill anybody including Merle who threatens the prison.

im just astounded that with all tge excellent choices out there THAT is the one you chose Sent from my SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

I already said this on another forum... Just like the Black Panthers talk a lot of #### about killing white crackers and cracker babies, I think these are just a bunch of ####-talkers feeling big behind a keyboard that'll never act out on their hate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p50qHzC01E0 Highly doubt they go out and do anything if Obama loses. That said, If there is a food shortage or financial collapse, then it'll be time to get worried. But not for some spineless folks behind a pc on twitter.

Vote early and vote often

[quote name='ThePunisher' timestamp='1351992810' post='838598'] Oh, they don't need to worry about anything, Obama is going to take care of them. He's their SAVIOR! [/quote] Funny how the liberal media and democrat politicians screamed about how Bush and FEMA were incompetent and killed blacks in New Orleans after Katrina and you don't hear much about how Obama and FEMA being usless in aiding the survivors of Sandy. As far as riots go, I really think there are many, not just blacks Americans but many hard core leftest in politics and the media who really want a rebellion if Romney wins. I've said before that many hard core liberals hate conservatives including republicans, libertarians and tea partyers more than they hate Bin Ladin or the Taliban or Al Quada, some I believe actually sympathize with Islamic terrorists but we are their most hated enemy. I think about the old saying, "careful what you ask for, you just may get it", I wonder how long into a nationwide mass riot/rebellion, caos, lawlessness, hunger and killings, untill they start begging for an end to it.

The best protest vote against O would be casting a vote for the only man with the chance to beat O and that is Romney.

Realistically those that are going to loot are not going to travel outside of their own neighborhoods to do so. Looters can't loot unless they are on foot and they are not going to walk far. They are going to rob the liquor stores, cash advance places, pawn shops and the errant commuter in their own neighborhoods. As long as you let them do what they are going to do in their own neighborhood they will not venture out. I have zero worries about them coming to my house to loot. But in the event they do venture out, and into my neighborhood, they will no loot my belongings or my neighbor's. Dolomite

[quote name='personDJ' timestamp='1351921541' post='838210'] spanking is hiting. And most of you believe in it because you were hit or spanked. You are hitting someone who has a brain that is not yet developed fully and it doesn't until about age 20 or so. [/quote] So discipline shouldn't be enforced on anyone until they're 20 or so? That may be the most asinine thing I've ever read.

[quote name='CCI' timestamp='1351967516' post='838431']Probably needs special counseling or therapy![/quote] True. There will be a meeting behind the wood shed.

The obvious question no media has asked: Why would the ex-seals be painting a target with a laser? Only reasons if they had reason to believe that airpower or drones were nearby and they were taking with someone. Which means that help was on the scene but was not made available

Shot ammo will NOT cycle semi auto's, regardless of caliber. If you must have multiple shots you need to use a revolver. Dolomite

[quote name='CCI' timestamp='1351903335' post='838050'] Why would any one spank or hit a two year old child? Two years old!!! I shocked at the responses I'm reading, that's it's OK to spank a child of that age! That is abuse, cut and dried! [/quote] Haha, half the time they're in a diaper and a swat on the hind end gets their attention pretty quickly and doesn't hurt them. Especially since their verbal skills and reasoning aren't quite there yet. At 2 it's about focus. Instant correction or afirmation is needed at 2, not discussion. BTW - spanking is NOT hitting.

Philosophically this sounds great. However, in a real SHTF scenario, seems to me your gonna be "living off the land". Your prey will probably be carrying .223/556 and 9mm. It is what it is.

I think Ron Paul will squeak out a win with a last minute write in campaign.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRWqwnx0xuU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRWqwnx0xuU[/url] Don't forget the Christopher Stevens didn't die at some unknown point during the attack. He died of smoke inhalation on the way to the hospital after he was pulled out of the rubble by Libyans. Any competent response could have made a difference. The people in this video aren't people "protesting" and celebrating his death. These are friends...Libyans, who are rejoicing when they find him alive. Their comments, roughly - "Allahu akbar he's alive" "He's alive!" "Move out of the way!" "Make way for him!" "He's alive, take him to my car." The biggest problem is that this detracts from what the administration wants us to believe, namely that the "War on Terror" is over. That this president ended this wars. That the Ft. Hood massacre was an act of "workplace violence" not terrorism. I get it that we have a population that wants to be done with this. None of us want to be at war. But, hopes and dreams don't bring change by themselves. Hard work does. There is one side that is clearly still committed to this fight. Refusing to recognize that will only come back to haunt us later. And, it fails to respect the 2,977 Americans who gave their lives on September 11, the 6,600+ American soldiers who have given their lives thus far, and the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan citizens on whom this has had a major impact.

You can't get help if none is sent

Unless we're talking Nagants right? Out of the few people I know that know about them I'd say very few think anything of it at all. I like to collect things always have since I was a little kid. I do think my family thought the amount of ammo I keep was weird until we went on a family range day. After they learned that we went through 1500 rounds of 22, 300 9mm, 200 7.62x39, and probably about 100-150 38/357 they started getting the idea. It was also a real eye opener when I said I would be bringing only enough for myself and my parents on the next trip and everyone else had to buy their own. They showed up gripping and yet bragging about spending about $100 and were shocked at how little they got to shoot. They thought bullets were free or something. Now they understand why I buy a few boxes every week or so even if I'm not planning on shooting anytime soon. I say buy as many as you can without sacrificing you or your family's quality of life and forget what anyone thinks. Haters got to hate.

Far as I'm concerned, you can never, ever have too many guns! Ahahaha! I'd rather have a thousand guns than a thousand ounces of gold. ...No, maybe not, I could buy ten-thousand guns with a thousand ounces of gold... with room for ammo! Hmmmm. Really, though... as long as you have time to use them and care for them, you can have as many guns as you want. If I walked into a guy's house and he had fifty rifles and shotguns in beautiful wood gun racks, I wouldn't scoff, I'd probably drop to my knees, which would be soon joined by my jaw.

Easy. If you have to add on to your house, you're hoarding.

My take, an accident waiting to happen. Looks great on paper, in the pants...whole different ballgame.