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Did anyone catch the part where he said that "a vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson is a vote for Barack Obama" is offensive and is NOT true?

I'm not particularly worried about a bunch of twitterers rioting in East TN. That would be a short-lived and painful endeavor for any angst filled wanna-be gangsters.

[quote name='personDJ' timestamp='1351921541' post='838210'] spanking is hiting. And most of you believe in it because you were hit or spanked. You are hitting someone who has a brain that is not yet developed fully and it doesn't until about age 20 or so. [/quote] So discipline shouldn't be enforced on anyone until they're 20 or so? That may be the most asinine thing I've ever read.

[quote name='Jesse' timestamp='1351952145' post='838317'] Im curious to what you guys spank your kids for. Give some examples if you dont mind. Not trying to be mean. Just waana know what warrants your spankings. [/quote] Willful disobedience Intentionally destructive behavior Meanness/cruelty towards others Behavior that could get them seriously injured or killed

[quote name='Jesse' timestamp='1351952145' post='838317']Im curious to what you guys spank your kids for. Give some examples if you dont mind. Not trying to be mean. Just waana know what warrants your spankings.[/quote] Usually for chewing on our WIC checks, breaking my meth pipe and playing with one of the many loaded pistols I leave around the house. Ya know, if you're gonna be so presumptuous to figure that responsible, loving parents couldn't possibly spank their children the above scenarios should be easy to believe.

The best protest vote against O would be casting a vote for the only man with the chance to beat O and that is Romney.

Realistically those that are going to loot are not going to travel outside of their own neighborhoods to do so. Looters can't loot unless they are on foot and they are not going to walk far. They are going to rob the liquor stores, cash advance places, pawn shops and the errant commuter in their own neighborhoods. As long as you let them do what they are going to do in their own neighborhood they will not venture out. I have zero worries about them coming to my house to loot. But in the event they do venture out, and into my neighborhood, they will no loot my belongings or my neighbor's. Dolomite

Crap. Does this mean I need to go to the range and practice shooting my pistols horizontally like a gangster? What color bandana am I supposed to wear?

Come get some. I suggest they invest in some IOTV or better before they start. I'd prefer it to be more of a challenge.

[quote name='gun sane' timestamp='1351976149' post='838472'] I heard on the news last night that Johnson could give Romney trouble in New Hampshire. That's 4 electoral votes that will go to Prez Zero if Romney doesn't overcome the gap. [/quote] And how is that anyone other than Romney's fault?

[quote name='CCI' timestamp='1351967516' post='838431']Probably needs special counseling or therapy![/quote] True. There will be a meeting behind the wood shed.

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The obvious question no media has asked: Why would the ex-seals be painting a target with a laser? Only reasons if they had reason to believe that airpower or drones were nearby and they were taking with someone. Which means that help was on the scene but was not made available

[quote name='TripleDigitRide' timestamp='1351903190' post='838049'] That we have better options next time around. [/quote] x2. But God forbid we vote for the 3rd party candidate. We get crucified on TGO.

I am amazed with some of the responses here. I know it is naive to hope that gun owners want to raise the next generation to be responsible, yet I see many responses that state how they prefer to sit and reason with a child that has not sense of reason or logic at that age. I have to ask, do you folks even have children? If you do, are you raising them, or do you drop them off at the baby sitter, grandparents, daycare all day? To the OP, if it were me, I would keep my nose out of it. I would find a way to support myself, and my girlfriend, I would move out of my grandparent's house and then avoid contact with my white trash family. If that sounds harsh to anyone, let me explain a few things... I am the oldest of six. I was beaten on a daily basis until I was 17 and I finally swung back. I have been on my own since that day. I have slept in gutters. I am currently a parent of a well behaved child that scores well on tests, socializes well and is considered a model student. I have cut all ties with my family. I have three sisters. None of them have custody their children. One is a drunk, one is a meth head and the other eats pills like M&Ms. I have two brothers. Neither of them have custody of their children. One is a homeless drug addict and the other one slings a hammer long enough to get money for his next high. I am the only sibling of the six to have a healthy home. I couldn't do that if I spent all my time worrying about how they live their lives. I have a good job. In this economy, it might even be considered a great job. I have a good wife. And as I mentioned I have a great daughter. And believe it or not, when she misbehaves, she gets spanked. Or as we call it in our home, 'Whupped.' I understand that might be a foreign concept to some folks here, but I have a feeling that there are more than a few like minded folks here. After all, this site isn't about growing alfalfa sprouts and driving a Prius, nor is it about how best to get a government check while watching Springer all day.

I really wish this would be on the national news when I wake up in the morning. I also wish Jim Turner finds himself being passed around in the FPMITAP for a while. Maybe if he is butthurt for real then he won't break the law. Dolomite

See there.... this is what spanking leads to!

[quote name='S&WForty' timestamp='1351990176' post='838566'] Crap. Does this mean I need to go to the range and practice shooting my pistols horizontally like a gangster? What color bandana am I supposed to wear? [/quote] Yellow/Gold with a Snake. Tie it on your left upper arm and it's a uniform under the Geneva Conventions.

We can't give O the chance at appointing any more judges to the Supreme Court. 2A will be doomed!

[quote name='S&WForty' timestamp='1351992265' post='838593'] I laughed so hard that my dog gave me her go-to-hell stare! [/quote] I searched Bing for a photo-shopped picture I saw a while back of a Gansta Glock with the sights on the side of the slide, I couldn't find it but it was funny as hell.

[quote name='ThePunisher' timestamp='1351992810' post='838598'] Oh, they don't need to worry about anything, Obama is going to take care of them. He's their SAVIOR! [/quote] Funny how the liberal media and democrat politicians screamed about how Bush and FEMA were incompetent and killed blacks in New Orleans after Katrina and you don't hear much about how Obama and FEMA being usless in aiding the survivors of Sandy. As far as riots go, I really think there are many, not just blacks Americans but many hard core leftest in politics and the media who really want a rebellion if Romney wins. I've said before that many hard core liberals hate conservatives including republicans, libertarians and tea partyers more than they hate Bin Ladin or the Taliban or Al Quada, some I believe actually sympathize with Islamic terrorists but we are their most hated enemy. I think about the old saying, "careful what you ask for, you just may get it", I wonder how long into a nationwide mass riot/rebellion, caos, lawlessness, hunger and killings, untill they start begging for an end to it.

[quote name='K191145' timestamp='1351991328' post='838582'] It all depends if you want to join the crips or bloods, I think crips wear blue bandana,s and bloods wear red bandana's. Wear a confederate flag bandana and you can shoot both crips and bloods. [/quote] I laughed so hard that my dog gave me her go-to-hell stare!

[quote name='ThePunisher' timestamp='1351986956' post='838535'] If you're for limited government, why did you ever vote for a democrat...[/quote] Because at the township / county level, at least years ago in Indiana, many of the local republicans were well entrenched incumbents who couldn't even spell conservative. A lot of great young candidates were able to run under the local democratic party in an effort to unseat them. They mostly failed due to lack of money to campaign with. But, they had good, community instead of govt. based approaches to our problems. I don't care which party a candidate belongs to, I care about their ideas and policies. Voting solely based on party just doesn't make sense to me.

It's a very well made CZ75 clone without the finer finish or gloss, this pistol is also made in Turkey and is a good value purchase. I've friend's who own some of these who love them, if a good enough deal came around I might go for one myself. As to the price your friend's asking I guess it would depend on what else he's tossing into the deal.

Yeah but it seems the OP has gotten probably the best advice on the subject that he's going to and the topic has apparently morphed into a general debate on the merits of spankings in general. If my post is off topic it's certainly not the first one of the thread to be. Oh and for the record my first swat on the butt was probably around the same age, about two-three years old. However my parents never left any marks or bruises wether it be a bare handed swat a belt or a hairbrush. Sounds like OP might be seeing something else all together.

So lets say that you want to sell gun oil as a sideline to your motor oil product. Roughly a 55gal of motor oil can be had for 700.00, but you can get cheaper as quantity goes up. but let's just say 55 gal for 700. You throw a little of this and that which may add 100.00 to the "secret" oil formula. Then you have to package and market it. Let's say you sell it in 2oz bottles, then that over 55 gal now with some secret additives gives you 3500 bottles of oil. Then at $5.00 bucks per 2 oz you make a tidy profit by calling your relatively generic lube "GUN LUBE." I may be cynical but somehow I doubt anyone is sitting in some lab working for years concocting gun lube to be sold in small quantities. I suspect what works for one product probably works for similar products with a minor twist to make it look good to the gun buying public.

I managed to come home with a 6 pt after sitting in the stand for less than an hour. It looked to be an 8 pt until i got right upon it. Oh well, he'll eat just the same. That's the shortest I've ever sat in the stand. [IMG]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/04/du4usata.jpg[/IMG]

Thanks for all the good wishes...It being a Camero the thur the windshield was my worst thought. It all worked out. the car needed a paint job that was scheduled for the spring so now it really needs a paint job and fender and hood and headlight and ....It is driveable so she will make it til I get around to fixing....Luck for her I like doing body work.

[quote name='sL1k' timestamp='1350959106' post='832290'] Spiders don't bother me so much if they are not poisonous. [/quote] There is no such thing as a poisonous spider in N America, you can eat all of them! Now there are several species that are venemous.

I'm going to muck this up a bit for you and suggest you wait for the Glock 20 Gen4.

[quote name='Il Duce' timestamp='1351944422' post='838248'] Not to mention they have accuracy issues that are well documented and that AWFUL AWFUL factory trigger. Sent from my SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2 [/quote] The M&P 9 was the least accurate of the bunch until S&W revised the barrel locking surfaces and corrected that problem. The M&P 45 was historically the most accurate of the bunch and rivaled cheap to mid-range 1911 platforms on that basis alone. Now that the M&P 9's locking surfaces are improved, the 9 is just as accurate if not more so than the rest of the family -- and likely any factory Glock you will pair it up against. This is well documented, as you put it. Further, we're talking about accuracy of 2-5" groups at 25yds back in the day instead of 1-3" groups now. It was absolutely still "minute of man" accurate and plenty much so to do the intended job. I've owned both, I love both, but you will find my M&P 9 with me more often than the Glock 19 now. The ergonomics are, for me, superior and like DaveTN I do prefer to support an American company whenever I can. There is a reason why the M&P series is gaining ground on Glock in law enforcement circles and it has nothing to do with seductive marketing or lucrative pricing. Glock has an extremely long history of excelling at both of those things for police departments and agency sales. The M&P is gaining ground because these agencies simply see it as being a better firearm for their needs, made in the USA. Glocks are great guns. You will never see me say that they aren't and you will find numerous instances of me recommending them to people right here on this forum. But the M&P is not some second-rate contender to the throne and to dismiss it as such because at one time a version cambered in a certain caliber was slightly less accurate than something from your favorite brand, or because the trigger doesn't have the same [i]feeling[/i] to it that your favorite brand does, constitutes a pretty shallow argument against it or for the Glock. A better argument would simply be "[i]I don't like the M&P... I like Glocks.[/i]" As I said before, we're talking about two handguns that have each proven themselves to be more than adequate. At this point it's largely a matter of personal preference and neither you or I have any right to tell someone what they should prefer. That's up to the buyer. They should prefer a gun that they like, have confidence in, can shoot well, and will carry regularly.

[quote name='Steelharp' timestamp='1351950516' post='838301'] Tell that to our military suppliers, please, that have been handing out Italian Berettas for 25+ years... [/quote] I have said that; on many occasions. The 9mm is a lousy caliber for a Military handgun, and there is no excuse for our Military to be buying foreign made products with our money we they are asking us to support American business.

[quote name='QuietDan' timestamp='1351906188' post='838088'] Enough people read alternative media for the word to get out. [/quote] Dan makes an excellent point here. I'm a news junkie and always have been. The more that is out there, the more i look at. Most everyone that has eyes to see has figured out that, for the most part, the "mainstream" (....alphabet media outlets on tv...) and the big city and syndicaed newspaper media are insufferable socialists who will shill for their pet beliefs. I never watch the "mainstream media" on tv. I do read some of their articles and opinion pieces. Most of my news comes from the blogs and Drudge over the net. My 23 year old pointed out to me the other day (....he goes to a local community college...) that he and all his friends get their "news" thru the blogs and social media. For the most part, they have figured out that the old time "big media" is lyin about everything or shilling for their favorite candidate or political operative. They are cynical and are, at heart, isolationist (....as far as foreign conflict is concerned...) libertarians. His speech on the media goes somethin like this: "....When the greatest generation wuz alive and voting for FDR, they were fed the "news" that the elites wanted them to hear. There wuz one funnel and one megaphone. That megaphone wuz the radio and the newspaper. Folks were also too busy makin a livin and tryin to eat to worry too much about much more than that, and they believed their leaders were tryin to do the right thing. Today there is a lot more prosperity (...despite this current crop of stupidity whe have in the whitehouse...) and there is more time to think and millions more ways to get information. The internet has made everyone a reporter and its almost impossible for some jackass like biden or nobama (....or any other political or public figure....) to go out and say somethin at one place and contradict it at another without some nerd catchin him in a lie and posting the original video. I (...he and me....) never believe anything that comes out of a mainstream reporter or politico's mouth until it has been verified several places....". I count all that cynicism a good thing. Ya cant lie anymore without gettin caught by someone; and that is exactly what will happen to nobama on this Bengazi thing....". Another fact is that we are polarized as a culture. On the one side, ya have the "gimme" generation who believe the union drivel and the demorat mantra of "...mo,mo,mo...". They prefer the mainstream media. On the other side, ya have the capitalists and the libertarians who actually believe that the Constitution means what it says, and who want government to quit interferin in their lives and encroaching on the liberties that they understand are guaranteed by the Constitution. This bunch believes nothin that the mainstream media and the "mo,mo,mo" bunch believes. They tend to look to the blogs for news. I say that when Jesus prophetically spoke to the people and said: "...There is nothing whispered in the ear in the innermost room of the house that will not be shouted from the rooftops..."; He was speaking speaking on several levels. The time for the terrestrial fullfillment of His pronouncement is here. People are listening more and more. They no longer trust their political operatives nor their pimps in the media. People are cynical and skeptical. They well should be. I say, keep listenin, this one aint over by a long shot. leroy

I Raff out Roud!

If they are used to it yet or not remains to be seen as it has only been in effect for a short time. I would guess that they have all had some type of brief on it though after Mr. Embody demonstrated the legality.

[quote name='TripleDigitRide' timestamp='1351911568' post='838143'] We have the Bush administration to thank for that. They could have pulled Hitler from the grave, stamped "Democrat" on his forehead, and he would have beat any Republican candidate. There was no wa in hell this country was going to vote for a Republican after the **** Bush got us into. [/quote] Yup. Jesus himself would have lost in a landslide running under GOP. - OS

[quote name='Erik88' timestamp='1351908060' post='838099'] Mav, hate to say it but Americans were stupid enough to elect him once I have no doubts they will do it again.[/quote] We have the Bush administration to thank for that. They could have pulled Hitler from the grave, stamped "Democrat" on his forehead, and he would have beat any Republican candidate. There was no wa in hell this country was going to vote for a Republican after the **** Bush got us into.

Christie is looking after his state. That's what the people elected him to do. Anything else is bs.

I got about ten sentences in and all I could wonder is why in hells half acre do you not own a golf cart? I may or may not come back and add to this post after I finish reading yours. so did something happen or not? Golf carts make great get away vehicles, and fishing boats. You could use it to fish out of, fetch mail, keep a rifle in. Well I don't fish out of mine but I do the others with it. No body F's with me when I fetch the mail.

[quote name='Garufa' timestamp='1351905002' post='838073'] Why?[/quote] When someone has no experience in a certain thing, their advice/opinions usually arent listened to. Im sure as heck not gonna take parenting advice from somebody that doesnt have kids. Thatd be kinda silly right. Just my .02 on the matter

[quote name='TripleDigitRide' timestamp='1351903190' post='838049'] That we have better options next time around. [/quote] I first voted in 1988. The choices have not gotten any better.

[quote name='TGO David' timestamp='1351881632' post='837895'] There is a strong difference between disciplining your child and "employing violence". [u]And yeah yeah... violence has never solved anything. Except slavery, fascism, Nazism, Communism... [/u] [/quote] Right. If violence isn't solving a problem, you're probably not doing it right.

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Its not hoarding IMO when it is something that is useful. I would say as long as you dont have over 2 of an exact model, you are good. You are a collector, worst case.

I think you have a problem. You can let me help by giving me say three and half your ammo stockpile. It's for the best. Really.

I once lived in Chicago...there is much about the city I love but I'll never again be within the city limits or, for that matter, within the state of Illinois and it's because of their incredibly stupid anti-gun mindset and idiocy like this... "It is very important to us to tax guns because we know that guns are the sources of the incredible violence we have in our neighborhoods," said Preckwinkle at a news conference on Wednesday" Yeah...of course lady...it's the GUNS that are the problem; not the violent criminal human garbage who commit murders and other violent crimes...it can't possibly be the thugs, most of whom already have multiple felony convictions and, rather than rotting in jail, are out on the street free to commit even more crimes...no...it CAN'T be them!!! God; this stuff pisses me off.

BJJ...if you have to ask, you can't afford it. Seriously though, the Glock vs 1911 is a silly argument. The Glock vs Hi-Point is not. Especially when your well being may be on the line. Not all martial arts are the same. Any martial art that lacks a ground training element is incomplete in my opinion. And many martial arts are sportive arts masquerading as self defense (I'm looking at you Tae Kwon Do) that could seriously get somebody hurt. I would make the same statement about many of the latest generation of BJJ schools that focus only on competing in tournaments.

If anyone needs any Pmag's...

No problem. I am looking forward to it. May bring the wife and son, if there's no objections to that....

Think numbers man. That rifle has high "Manly Factor" but can you shoot that all day? The fatigue would bad. I'm not a big rimfire fan at all but a rooftop zombie kit includes the following *(2) reasonably accurate, extremely reliable .22 rifles. *Dozen "bricks" of .22 ammunition *Coleman cooler with beer, water, some turkey sandwiches, BBQ chips and some twinkies *A large parasol, or umbrella and some sunscreen *Solar charged iPod with plenty tunes that make you happy.