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Pointing out that something is "classified, I can't talk about it" sounds really cool I guess. Especially when the comment is unsolicited and just thrown out there.

Ok, I reached out to talk to a fellow BW guy and you said you feel I have a problem with you and that I have bashed you in every post (your words not mine) in which I commented. There are exactly 9 threads where you and I are in the same thread. And here they are: http://www.tngunowne...tock-quesitons/ http://www.tngunowne...island-1911-cs/ http://www.tngunowne...en-looking-for/ http://www.tngunowne...ell-m1-carbine/ http://www.tngunowne...xed-sight-1911/ http://www.tngunowne...l-install-asap/ http://www.tngunowne...recommendation/ http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/38233-sbr-for-all-no-tax/ http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/36897-picking-the-final-pieces-of-my-ar-couple-qs/ Please point out where I have bashed you or even repsonded, quoted or even disagreed with you in any of these posts. I have read every single one and cannot find where I might have done anything to upset you. I go out of my way to try to remain as neutral as I can when it comes to personal stuff. I also go out of my way to try to help each and every person on the board that has asked for my help. I even offer my help, as well as my number, regularly to those who do not ask but I think I might be able to help them. If you feel I bashed you in some way then something I have done must have upset you and for whatever that was I appologize. But honestly I don't think I have or at least not intentionally bashed you. Sometimes thoughts, ideas and feelings are kind of hard to express without face to face communication. Dolomite

Over the years I've known people who actually did things they "aren't supposed to talk about." I've also known people who like to make reference to the fact that they've done things they "aren't supposed to talk about." There is very little overlap between these two groups. For the most part, if they aren't supposed to talk about it they don't even make reference to it.

Well… You need a Tupperware carry gun for when you need superior firepower. (15 rounds of .40S&W) You need a Tupperware compact for when you want more concealability. (10 rounds of .40S&W) You need a Micro compact for when you want even more concealability. (6 rounds of .40S&W) You need a 1911 just because they are cool and make great range guns. (8 rounds of .45ACP) You need a .357 mag revolver for target use at the range and at home the wife can pick it up and shoot without knowing anything other than how to pull the trigger. (6 rounds of .357MAG) You need a J-frame S&W revolver for deep concealment, and because everyone else has one. (5 rounds of .357MAG) You need both a .22 Tupperware gun and a .22 revolver because you want cheap trigger time for target practice. Oh… and since you are getting into rifles now let’s take a look at what you need there. You are getting you first AR; that’s great. You know of course you need an Eotech to go on it don’t you? You will also need a bolt action high precision sniper rifle in .308. It will need to wear a high power scope capable of that application. (Leupold, NightForce) Now you will need an AR in .22 and a .223 bolt for cheaper trigger time. And then of course you will want the ultimate battle rifle; an AR in 7.62 NATO. I am not a hunter; if you are you might need a shotgun. If you aren’t and have fulfilled the above list; you don’t need a shotgun. I know I have left out a few things that you can get by without for now. You will be able to get them later. These are just the things you NEED.

Fighting Pistol Class Tactical Response Camden, TN June 2/3, 2012 Instructors: Jay, Chester, Steve, David, Kayla All the instructors were very professional and extremely knowledgeable. It was very evident that they all practiced what they were preaching. That was very comforting to me. I have nothing but good things to say about them all. The class attendees consisted of a variety of occupations such as policeman, fireman, lawyers, mechanics, security contractors, engineers, students, musicians, doctors and businessmen. Men and women whose ages varied from late 50’s down to 14. Everyone got along and enjoyed each other’s company and always ready to lend a helping hand. I recommend attending any cook outs, meals or gatherings that are offered. The Fighting Pistol class itself was outstanding. It was the perfect mix of technical explanations broken down to dumb-ass terms that I could grasp and hands on application of the techniques. We all met up at the gear store at 0900 and started promptly. Short roll call and introductions at the beginning then straight to the safety rules and medical personnel identification. Before we knew it, we were off to the range. I’m not going to spend lots of time explaining the training and instruction that was given (take the class!). My past experience is like many others. I grew up around guns, hunting and shooting all the time. I spent six years in the Army. I thought I was confident and fairly familiar with handling weapons. I was sadly mistaken. I quickly realized that I didn’t know jack squat and was completely unprepared to handle a weapon in a proficient manner. The training was laid out so that a common, less than intelligent man such as me can grasp and comprehend the information the first time. I rarely had to ask a question for further explanation about the task they were trying to teach. When I did ask a question it was answered right away and I never felt like the instructors thought my questions were stupid or silly or a waste of time. The training taught from start to finish was as if I was learning how to walk all over again. They walked you through each step until you were running and jumping and rolling around. Do not think you are going to get away with doing it wrong too. There are eyes on you almost all the time. They catch things you are doing wrong and correct you right away and sternly. I like the way they are trying to keep the stress level up for us all. Twenty eight students split into two relays of fourteen. One relay ran at a time so five instructors for fourteen people. Perfect ratio for catching things you are doing wrong. Gear-bring it all, it’s on the list for a reason. Make sure it is not broken. Be prepared. Have your magazines loaded and for God’s sake……BRING YOUR GUN AND HAVE IT LOADED!!! You wouldn’t go to work without your tools of the trade. Don’t show up at a gun class without a gun loaded and ready to go. Sounds simple I know. You will be surprised how many folks are not prepared. I was using my daily carry S&W M&P .40 compact with a Don Hume J.I.T. Slide holster at 330-4 o’clock position. I was using Aguila ammo FMJ 180 grain. The gun ran flawlessly and shot like a dream. I had the required five magazines with pinky extenders (factory S&W). I carried two magazines on my weak side in a single Blackhawk! double magazine holder. I kept my last two magazines in my pants (Vertx) pockets and during training I would transfer those magazines into the mag holder when it was empty. My belt was a Galco instructor’s belt 1.5 inch double thickness reinforced. Bring sunglasses and a ball cap. Expect to take some rib jabbing if you’re not running a Glock 9MM, or a 9MM of any make. I was told I was compensating for a shortcoming in other areas. Kayla will be sure to let you know what she thinks about that for sure. I do have to say this. The only guns that were having problems were NOT made by S&W or Glock. After shooting for two days, that became very obvious. Will I take this or any other classes from Tactical Response at Camden again? Absolutely. I have made a list of which ones already. I highly recommend this training to beginners and so called “expertsâ€. The thing that impressed me the most was the adult environment and setting of the class. They treated you like a grown adult that is responsible to handle a firearm. There was no safety nazi’s screaming about this or that. They laid out the four rules of safety with a firearm. Honestly, they are the only four you really ever need to follow. They didn’t waste time treating you like a fool with a gun like a lot of training classes or ranges do. I love the “an unloaded gun is a dangerous gun†philosophy. It will be hard to be around a safety nazi from this time forward. For any nay-sayers out there that wants to cry and whine about their safety procedures…..1.) TAKE the class then whine!! Don’t whine about something you have not experienced. 2.) Tactical Response has trained over 15,000 students and has had 0 accidents. ZERO. That is impressive to me. Think about all the schools and workplaces that can’t go one week without someone getting hurt. Thank you for what you do Tactical Response. I will return. www.TacticalResponse.com

My father and I were given one of these (or something very similar) as a gift a few years ago. I used mine at John C Tune airport in Nashville. It was an awesome experience, until the instructor decided to use the last few minutes to "show me what the plane could do". I spent the rest of the day fighting off the urge to puke my guts out. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch using Tapatalk 2

Thank you for the clarification. I feel so much better.

With all due respect, I was raised that if you've got time to do something, you've got time to un-do it. Put another way, if you've got time to start it, you'd better darned well have time to finish it. Otherwise, it devolves into exactly what this thread has devolved into: "You said something bad about me and you suck!" "I didn't neither - you take that back!" "Nuh-uh, I don't gotta'!" "Okay, so what did I say?" "Doesn't matter - I don't have time to remember it all, but someone somewhere said it and you still suck!" Come and get me, Lord, but please don't punish me for being dumb enough to click on this thread. SHEESH!

This thread is absolutely the most pointless thread ive seen in a long time.

I’ve done some things you aren’t supposed to talk about. All I can do anymore is talk about them.

My experience has been this: Primed lake city brass 62 grain SS 109 Crimped 16" AR15 25.7=~3,045 25.8=~3,070 25.9=~3,095 This is in my gun. I assume no responsibility in the data I just posted in your firearm. Dolomite

I explained to my ex-wife once that when you die you get reincarnated, but must come back as a different creature. She said she would like to come back as a cow. I said, "You're obviously not listening." (My apologies, but it seems that the previous bad joke is at least as relevant as this thread. )

Not get into a contest here .. and not trying to pick a fight with you..But I have been looking at posts and there is nowhere where he bashed you.. If he did.. I will spank him.. or punish him in any other way.

One of the best all around folders out there for EDC or outdoor tasks. More like $75 worth of knife for $25. All four carry positions for clip, too, that's rare. Too bad about the bad blood 'tween Randall and Ontario that sort of ended development and variations of this line. It's strange that ESSE just pretty much quit on the folding line altogether, though see they now have a Izula folder. - OS

I think some people are tired of thinking about RP on account of they've already made up their minds he can't win. I've said it before and most likely will again but it's a damn shame the vote for POTUS has turned more into a popularity contest than a voice for preference. Some times I wonder what would happen if everyone who was voting for Romney just to see a win actually did vote Ron Paul. (assuming he was their honest choice) Between his ardent supporters and the others I can't help but wonder...

...ONE Nation, under GOD, with LIBERTY and JUSTICE for all....... Dave

Of course politics and politicians suck. Just look at the root words. Poli(y) = many, Tic(k)s = blood sucking pests

I love how folks label others with #### like "wing nut." That pisses me off to no end. Let the man speak his mind and post what he wants without all the usual RP hate-bot posts for once. Is that too much to ask, folks?

They are great guns, but I don’t know why anyone would want to pay $700-$800 for a copy of the original, with a lock, when the original pre-locks are still available for $500. The reissues won’t be collector guns.

Ron Paul may have lost, but his message should not die out.

Ya know, there are a few folks here whose posts I simply don't read because it makes my BP rise. I would suggest the same for anyone who doesn't like Armyvet's posts.

Give it up guys! Romney is the candidate foisted upon us by the Republicans. Politics and politicians suck. Deal with it!

I have used the caliber to launch 180 grain bullets at 1,050 fps. I have built two AR's in the caliber as well as two Savages. I worked with another guy to work up load data for everything from 86 grain to 180 grain bullets. I have a ton of experience with the Tokarev round. I have built a few AR's chambered in it as well as a few bolt guns chambered in it. The bolt guns were more of a subsonic guns using the Tokarev as a base. Here is the last Savage I chambered in the 7.62x25 Tokarev. I would use it to shoot heavy subsonic reloads as well as cheap surplus. The subsonic Tokarev loads I worked up are actually being used by a few people now that are producing the AR chambered in the Tokarev round. The subsonic rounds will never hit the mainstream but makes for a very quiet gun with a suppressor. The Tokarev uses a .308' bore rather than the .311" like the AK. This makes finding reloading components easy. Here are pictures of the last Tokarev build: The tube is a tensioning sleeve that fits over the barrel then the muzzle nut is tightened down to tension the barrel. I first did this to try to fix a heat related drift problem I had with another rifle and it worked great. Before after about 5 rounds the bullets would start walking and by round 10 they were 1"+ off of zero but after I could shoot long strings without any drift. It seems to work out to be similiar to a bull barrel as far as stiffness goes yet is lighter weight. I actually used do a lot of odd projects, over the years some have worked and some haven't. I considered the Tokarev rifle a success because it did exactly what I wanted it to. It was also cheaper to build, load and shoot than the 300 Whisper. And as long as I stay subsonic there were no difference between the two. Reamers, dies, brass are all cheaper and available while the 300 Whisper tends to be expensive on all counts unless you decide to make your own brass but the dies and reamer as more expensive than the Tokarev's. The Tokarev let me shoot cheap surplus or my subsonic handloads. Even without a suppressor is was a quiet gun with my handloads. My previous build used a 24.5" barrel and was as quiet as a 16" 10/22 shooting CCI subsonics yet with the heaviest bullets it developed muzzle energy that was comparable to a 357 magnum not to mention the ballistics were better. I did a lot of testing on stability also and rather than try to get a HP to open at subsonic velocities I was able to get it to readily tumble. This was more reliable and created more damage than just passing through. Also, the chance of tumbling only gets better as velocity drops while a HP opening it only gets worse. I did this by testing several different twist rates and getting the bullet just stable enough to be accurate yet unstable enough to tumble when it hit something. I got it to where the subsonic bullet would reliably tumble between 6" and 10" of water. Most of these were done before my helicopter accident. I know this is long winded but the Tokarev round is a very fun and powderful round in a rifle and if you get one you will have fun with it. It is also very useful, with proper loads you can squirrel hunt or deer hunt and do it without a lot of recoil or noise. Here are some AR pictures: I ended up rechambering the last picture in 7.62x39 before selling it to DLM37015. Sorry to derail OP Dolomite

i had it in 2002 i sucks the good thing is you will get over it with no problems just a little pain

My dogs prevent the problem of knowing if someone belongs in my home, before I see them, usually before they get near a door.

At the urging and assitance of Rightwinger, I have begun to teach my family Klingon as our second language.

"that guy looks like a wierdo... go get my gun"... i don't have a lot of solicitors any more. seriously though, this is important stuff...

Something to think about. 230gr.FMJ is more likely to over penetrate and shoot through. So my big reason to shoot expanding ammo is to avoid shoot through and injury to someone else. This is true for all calibers.

I've been thinking about getting one of these: http://www.homedepot...zer-129974.html And using some of the smaller tackle organizers in the pockets to hold my brushes, q-tips and the like while the cleaning rods (bound with velcro straps) and bottles/cans/tubes go in the bucket. Out of the way, but easily accessed. I keep my gun cleaning supplies in a closet, so the bucket gives me some added insurance over a cloth bag or even a tackle box if something oily or acidic were to spring a leak or spill. I haven't actually pulled the proverbial trigger on the idea yet so I don't know how it would work, but I figure I can always use it for its intended purpose (organizing tools on my workbench) if it didn't work out for gun cleaning junk supplies. Just a thought.