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well to try to help keep reloading cost down for tgo members 844,842 or 846 85.00 per 8 pound jug 55 grain lake city bullets 75.00 per 1000 primers are already starting to get tight 30.00 per 1000 for winchester or cci and i still have primed lake city brass for 100.00 per 1000 i will hold these prices for tgo members as long as i can

President of the TN Chamber of Commerce gives us her .02: http://www.tennessea...ext|FRONTPAGE|s One of the comments raises a good point about how government steps all over private property rights in regards to the handicapped, racial quotas, etc. Yet somehow a law that allows employees to keep their firearms locked in their vehicles is telling businesses what to do? Can you say "double standard"? ROFL

I can say without doubt that MCFOOTER won the auto division. My name is in the #1 spot incorrectly and I cannot accept a win that I didn't earn. I have never beat MCFooter with a shotgun and I definitely did not beat him Saturday.

I guess YOU went first in this post about personal matters that should be not be publicly advertised. Thats Ok I wont whine about it to anyone. I didnt see a sign about parking and I walked up the hill to pay my 30.00 beans to RO on my squad. Do RO's get to park at the top of the hill with members? Maybe I should get a refund for working and not asking for anything. Better yet, keep the 30.00 bucks and consider it my last time I grace your range. Too bad. The competitive shooting community is small. See you around buddy. I wish you the best of luck. Alan Shepherd

Your employer can dictate what conditions must be meet in order for you to remain an employee. If that condition is no guns on his property then he can fire you. And even if this bill passes it will not change anything other than the employer will not give a reason for firing you because he isn't required to give you a reason. And I still contend that a property owner has the right to ask anyone to leave for any reason at all. If that reason is that you have a gun in your car then so be it. Dolomite

Wow, quite a debate. Once could see how the outcome of that debate could have an impact on the Safe Commute bill. But even as it is accepted that free speech does not allow me to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, private property rights also have to have some limits. Nobody would want Prince Mongo, (if you don't live in or follow Memphis news and politics, you probably have no idea who Prince Mongo is, sorry), to open up a night club in a residential area just because he could because it is his private property and he can do as he chooses.

You are going to be mildly surprised at how easy it is when you are done. It is OK to be concerned but not nervous. As long as you are an average shooter you will pass with flying colors. Dolomite

Yep. Why go to the trouble of shooting yourself when you can just let somebody else do it.

Well it has been a while since the last update but better late than never. Cooley has returned to work. He is still on light duty but is back at work. Which he is very happy about. He actually returned to work the week of Feb. 22.

What condition one carries in will not negate stupidity on the part of the person carrying. That said, yeah...condition 3 might be "safer" than condition 1 or 0 but then again; remember WHY we carry; to be ready to face a threat! I do believe that if someone is very well trained and very, very fast they can load one into the chamber and be ready to engage a BG almost as fast and maybe even as fast as I can be ready to engage while carrying with on in the chamber. But, I'd say the folks that fall into that very, very fast category are also very, very few and far between. You may be one of those very, very fast folks...but I know I'm not one of them so I'll continue to carry with one in the chamber ready to go.

I give another vote for the S&W M&P15 Sport. It is a bare bones AR (no forward assist or dust cover), but you still have the ability to customize it in the future. They can be bought brand new in the $600 to $700 range. It is hard to beat at that price. Around Nashville, I would check places like Guns & Leather or Outpost Armory. The Sport is very popular, and it can be hard to find. If you want to build one, that is fine, but you will probably spend around the same as the M&P Sport, once you buy all the components and tools that you will need.

Well, I have put a car buffer in a bench vise and locked it power on. Then buffed the noses clean. The pad is ruined as far as waxing cars, but it can washed and reused for the same purpose.

I think he's read too much crazy on the interwebz. You know what those forums will do to your mind.

If you like your printer, get your cartridges refilled at Walgreens. It's cheap.

I guess I'm lucky in that respect. We always had a garden when I was growing up and between Mom and and my grandmother, we always had canned vegetables, fish, etc... around. My mom turned 80 back in November and still raises a small garden and cans what she doesn't consume herself or give away. As far as storage, she has lived in a tiny retirement apartment since Dad passed away and you'd amazed how much food you can store just in a closet or on a sturdy bookshelf. As for my wife and I, at any given time we have enough preserved food to last us at least six months and that doesn't count the eggs we get from our chickens every day (we have a combination of Bantams and Rhode Island Reds) or the wild plant foods we gather nearby in the Spring, Summer and Fall, nor what I'd be able to procure through hunting and fishing. And the thing is, it really doesn't take up as much room as a person thinks it would. For example: That corner of the living room/bedroom/den/whatever that doesn't do anything but collect dust? (Come on now, everybody has one!) Fill that corner with five gallon buckets containing preserved/dehydrated foodstuffs! Stack 'em two wide, all the way to the ceiling and cover them with a curtain or a wall tapestry - BINGO! You've just found a place to store several months worth of food and use some otherwise wasted space. Be creative! I lived in a one room efficiency apartment for a while 30 years ago and was constantly amazed at how easy it was to hide stuff from myself even in that tiny little place. As to getting your family on board, one thing you might try is just leading by example. When they come over, show 'em what you've accomplished and explain to them why you've done it. One way to do this is with something I tried: Friends came over for dinner and I told them "We're gonna' mess with your heads a little bit tonight and pretend that we've just had an ice storm or an earthquake or something and don't have any power or running water, just to see what we can come up with." Then I flipped the breaker, lit some candle lanterns and my wife and I (with their willing help) proceeded to whip up a meal for four, complete with dessert and cocktails, using only what we had on hand. Most of the main course cooking was done on the kitchen table with a couple of little alcohol stoves that I'd made from Colt 44 beer cans. And I made dessert (an absolutely delicious strawberry, blueberry upsidedown cake!) in one of my Dutch ovens in the back yard using charcoal from my smoker grill. Needless to say, it was a hit and they had a blast helping us. When they left, we sent a bucket of basic foodstuffs with them and a week later my buddy bought his first Dutch oven and started peppering me questions on how use it. They have since started their own basic preparedness plan. Luck! ...TS...

I'd approach them about prepping for small natural disasters first as Robert says. Once you reach that level, start them along the road to prepping for long term disasters. Baby steps can go along way. And leave out the Zombie takeover. That's sure to spook them!

Okay, no one is going to like this Tell them you will go above and beyond to help them now, provided they put forth an effort to help themselves. The alternative is, WTSHTF, they can suffer, join a FEMA camp and/or starve. Do something now because you either help build the ark, or you drown when the door is shut. It's just that simple. The people that are technically my blood relatives will suffer because they are blind fools and I will not help them after the scorn a ridicule I've put up with in the past. But I digress, you tell them DO IT NOW and you'll get help but your apathy today will be your death in the future. Life is cruel, swimming against it's current will only leave you exhausted when you get to the same end anyway.

This. I don't carry without something over the trigger. For carry, a good holster is an integral part of the package. Anything else is just being stupid.

Castle Doctrine in Texas applies to your home, your vehicle, and any place you have a right to be. It's working out well for Texas, and Texans are as rabid about property rights as anyone. I'm thinking our legislators would do well to steal legislative language from Texas, and they'd be welcome to it.

The facts related to governance of the People's Right to carry weapons in Tennessee are thus, under our State Constitution, the legislature has the power by law to regulate the wearing of arms, that power "must be guided by, and restrained to this end, and bear some well defined relation to the prevention of crime, or else it is unauthorized by this clause of the Constitution." (Article 1 Section 26) Andrews v. State, 50 Tenn. 165, 181 (1871).†For good or ill, right or wrong, it is the procedure in place, codified in the State Constitution. And yes Dave, you are correct in your assertion that any carrying of arms is a violation of the current law, and that the statutory law in TN does not recognize a "Right" to wear arms, but one step at the time. The majority of Legislators do not understand that, they think the permit process changed that, but then, that same majority of Legislators are not experts in the Law and simply believe that criminal connotations to the act of going armed have been removed by an individual perfecting a permit under the current structure set up for that purpose. One could, if so inclined, take their grievance regarding this situation relative to the current enforcement of statutory law to the courts for validation of their own opinion, (seems that I remember reading that you Dave, have attempted that tack with less than stellar results) but it is the option for an individual to challenge the status quo. We are guaranteed the ability to petition our legislature for the redress of what we consider to be "bad" laws, and that is another path as well. Private property ownership does not give unbridled largess to do with, or act in any manner desired by the owner toward another human being while on their property, or to use said property in what might be beneficial to the owner without restraint. Put a pig farm in the middle of a subdivision and see how that works out for you. Manufacturing methamphetamine for resale as a recreational drug would most likely be a lucrative endeavor, but is precluded by law for the private property owner in Tennessee. One may not kill another, invited to their property, because they do not like the appearance of that individual, simply because they own the property. Statutory law, codified in our TCA, is supposed to be guided via an oath taken by the legislators to defend and support the Constitutions, and as such, puts the Constitutions as the basis for that codification. So the insistence by some that individual Citizens enjoy no protection of their Constitutional Rights while on private property is ludicrous.

You guys are missing the forrest for the trees. We are talking about property RIGHTS. The owner isn't asking you to leave and no one is arguing his ability to do so this is an At Will Work state. We are talking about when the employer ask/invites/accomodates your presence vluntarily can he then arbitrarily violate other rights with search , seizure, or legal jeopardy YOUR property once there. Again, we are not talking about tresspassers - refer to above. Why are you agruing against your own statement? You can't agrgue for ones absolute property rights while denying anothers. Is your vehicle your property or not? If it is then you have to apply property rights accordingly.

There is no “Mexican standoffâ€, and you don’t have to let them search your car now. The only way they would need to search your car would be if they called you in and ask if you had a gun in your car and you either lied or refused to answer. If they want to get rid of you they don’t need to find a gun; they just let you go; they don’t have to give a reason. If they want to keep you, they tell you to leave the gun at home and don’t bring it back on their property or you will be fired; it’s then up to you. Is this even an issue? I’m sure there are cases of employers searching vehicles in suspected theft cases; are there any cases of an employer searching a vehicle for a gun. I would bet that the only cases of someone being fired for having a gun (if there are any), are cases where they had the gun out and someone saw it or they told someone at work they have a gun in their car. These bills are because some people that work for big companies like Nissan and FedEx that don’t like their “No guns in the workplace policiesâ€. But unless you are in a union or have an employment contract you have no protection even with this legislation. Pass legislation that makes Tennessee the 5th state to recognize the right of the people to bear arms. It still won’t keep an employer from having a no guns policy, but it will give someone a chance in court. Right now carrying a gun in this state is a crime and I believe even if this “parking lot†legislation is passed it will be defeated in court the first time it is tested.

So, if it treads on a property owners right to have a gun on his property, even if it's in a car, then instead of a parking lot provision in the bill, make it illegal for an employer to search an employees car under any circumstance and call it done. Let the employers have the bill calling for no guns on their property, yet deny them the right to search an employee's car, which is the employee's property. We used to call that a Mexican Standoff till everyone got politically correct.

Sorry I do not agree, carrying a gun or any arm for that matter is truly a God given Natural Right, North Carolina accepted British Common Law as part of their Constitution, as did Tennessee when we formed our State, and the old Common Law expressly gives the People the right to be armed on their travels. Virginia even REQUIRED travelers to be well armed on their transits. It has always been our right to use weapons for our personal protection in America, we have simply allowed ourselves to forget that.

Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner!

This technically is not a 2A versus property rights. It is property right vs. property right. Ironically one persons rights to property can not trump anothers, yet that is exactly what we have allowed to happen. It would be like someone claiming my marriage is temporarily void while I'm at someone else's house. Don't think that's going to happen.

I disagree, obviously, because your rights cannot infringe upon another's. Like yelling fire in a crouded theater. When you open up your property to the public to do business you forfeit SOME rights, and the government sure does exercise control there by telling you what codes and laws to follow be it safety, convenience or discrimination. Now if you would agree to assume ALL liability for those you employ or invite onto your property to do business then you would have a point IMHO, but that's not reality.

So, who are some of the member organizations of the Tennessee Chamber of Commerce and Industry so gun-owners can reconsider their business relationships with them? I'm not sure I want to do business with organizations that consider me a hazard and an inconvenience.

The line grays considerably though, when you consider that your vehicle is also YOUR personal property, and not that of the owner of the parking lot on which it sits. Especially when there's no reasonable alternative to where you must park to work there. Should a property owner reasonably expect to curtail other of one's rights, say free speech among the passengers of a vehicle while it is on his property? Can he prevent you from praying or reading the Bible or Koran in it? Can he take possession of your vehicle because he doesn't like it? - OS

We;re talking about keeping the guns on OUR property, the vehicle. The legitimate push-back from business would be increased insurance rates.

Not that this hasn't been argued ad nauseum on this forum, but where does it say that in the constitution?The Declaration of Independence doesn't say anything about property when they talk about the unalienable rights. In fact it says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Gee, Life is listed first indicating highest priority, because without life nothing else matters. Then there's the sticky little "We The People of The United States," that says nothing about businesses.

I agree that private property rights are sacred, but an American citizen's right to self-defense is also sacred. I have heard several arguments for and against this bill, and I see the reasoning on both sides. I just have a problem with someone like the COC president conjuring up the same old, tired, strawman scenarios that we had to endure during the so-called "guns in bars" debate.