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At what point do you quit going to local dealers? For me it is when they are charging more than I am willing to pay for the priviledge to say I bought local. I am part of their marketplace and I will choose who I will bear and who I will not. I was at a dealer yesterday that had Keltec P3AT's for $419. They had Glocks in the $650-$750 range and used ones for $600+. Not to mention Tula 7.62x39 ammo for $12.99 a box, the same is $4.79 at Walmart. Every AR they had was over $1,000, including the Bushmaster Patrol Carbine available at Walmart for $844. Every gun they had was 25%-30% more than a store only a few miles away. The dealer can charge whatever they want but don't complain when your prices are so out of line no one will pay them. I do buy from local dealers but only when I feel what they are asking is fair. What I consider fair and what you consider fair are not going to be the same. Dolomite

So I just finished watching the last episode of Top Shot. What the heck is up with all the touchy feely pansies on the blue team. I thought the one guy was going to CRY! He says, "I can't shoot my friends targets...I'd rather be with my friends." WHAT? Where did they find this little fairy? Are they gonna spoon after a glass of chardonnay? *sigh* I thought this was supposed to be a man's show, not Top Shot: Dr Phil edition.

President of the TN Chamber of Commerce gives us her .02: http://www.tennessea...ext|FRONTPAGE|s One of the comments raises a good point about how government steps all over private property rights in regards to the handicapped, racial quotas, etc. Yet somehow a law that allows employees to keep their firearms locked in their vehicles is telling businesses what to do? Can you say "double standard"? ROFL

been searching for a pistol light for a few weeks now. ran across a guy selling a factory glock light, but he wasnt sure it worked. he told me 10 bucks would take it home... so i bought it. this thing is in perfect shape and all it needed was batteries! it may not be the prettiest light out there, but for 10 bucks...i dont mind a little ugly.

Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner!

This technically is not a 2A versus property rights. It is property right vs. property right. Ironically one persons rights to property can not trump anothers, yet that is exactly what we have allowed to happen. It would be like someone claiming my marriage is temporarily void while I'm at someone else's house. Don't think that's going to happen.

Ahh yes Rachel from Card Holder services. I hate that sorry grubby . She [recording] calls here at the shop all the time. So, when the option to speak to an operator comes up I do so, and ALWAYS speak VERY softly. Reason: These telemarketers use a head set not a handset for a phone. If you speak really softly, they'll turn up the volume to hear better. I talk to them as though interested, but keep my voice way down. All the while I fetch the air hose and I have a large air horn from an 18 wheeler that I put a fitting on. I don't know what the little air pumps on the trucks run, but I hook it up to an 80 gallon Ingersol Rand at 150 PSI and it is LOUD. Set the phone in the chair and give them about a 3 or 4 second burst. My ears are ringing afterward, but strange....they're never on the line when I pick up the phone again.

I believe that if a property owner doesn't like an activity, regardless of what that activity is, they should be allowed to ask the offender to leave the property. Dolomite

You have no rights afforded by the BIll of Rights on my property. The Bill of Rights addresses goverment abuses, not abuses by private parties against other private parties. It is laws of the land that addresses those abuses. The Declaration of Independence affords you no rights on my property either. Your right to "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" doesn't mean you can trample those same rights of another in your pursuit. Me being a property owner is not stopping you from your pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness but you entering my property without my permission is stopping me from my pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness. And when this happens it is the laws of the land that deals with it. You cannot come onto my property and say what you want. My right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness on my property trumps your 1st ammendment right to free speech or any other rights you may think you have on my property. You have ZERO rights afforded by the Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence or the Constitution on my property. Now there are laws that dictate what I can and cannot do to you while on my property. You must have my permission to do anything on my property and I can set conditions while you are on my property otherwise I have a right to make you leave. Just because you have a right to free speech doesn't mean you have a right to excercise that right on my property, because you don't. The second ammendment is the same, I can mandate you not enter with a firearm if I choose to. This is the same as any of the others in the Bill of Rights because they are there to address the abuses of the government, not individuals. If we want to say that a right to the pursuit of happiness trumps property owners rights then I need to go find a big mansion to move into because I would probably be happier there. Or perhaps I need to go take other's property because I will be happier with it. And I guess my happiness is paramount to any rights a property owner has. I just think that as an individual you cannot tell another individual how they should use their private property. I am a very staunch supporter of everything gun related but I also value my right to use my property how I see fit. It is nothing more than others telling you how best to use your own property and that worked out really well for those who have suffered the imminant domain laws. Dolomite

That is wronger than a wrong thing that is wrong. When State A recognizes permits from State B, that does NOT mean that State B's laws apply to the permit holder while in State A. State A's laws apply and the permit holder is responsible for learning what State A's laws are and following them while in State A. Louisiana, for example, does not allow carrying in places of worship but Tennessee does. Having a TN HCP while in Louisiana does not override that restriction. Likewise, a Lousiana permit holder may carry in a church in Tennessee though they would not be able to do so legally at home in Louisiana.

I agree that private property rights are sacred, but an American citizen's right to self-defense is also sacred. I have heard several arguments for and against this bill, and I see the reasoning on both sides. I just have a problem with someone like the COC president conjuring up the same old, tired, strawman scenarios that we had to endure during the so-called "guns in bars" debate.

Careful now. You can pretty much predict where this is going . . .

I retired from a company (Nissan North America) where the parking lots were NO posted, thus, carrying and leaving my firearm in my vehicle was not a criminal matter. BUT, around 2005 or so, the company did a 180 and made it a matter of company policy that firearms were forbidden anywhere on company property, including vehicles in the parking lot. This caused quite a lot of angst among those who routinely, for example, carried their gear/firearms with them in their vehicles so they could go hunting, shooting after work. I've never received a good explanation for "why" the company so suddenly and completely changed its mind. Also, while they claimed the right to do so, as far as I know they never once demanded that an employee allow a search of his/her vehicle which sort of makes me wonder just how serous their policy was???

I agree private property owners should be allowed to dictate who can and cannot come on their property to work. If they are a privately owned they can mandate whatever they want as a condition of employment. They can mandate that their employees were pink shirts while at work or not bring firearms on their property. For the record I do not agree with federally mandated hiring practices. An employer should be allowed to choose who is the best for their company. Just like an employee doesn't have the right to say whatever they want at work under the first ammendment the employee should not be allowed to bring a gun to work against the employer's wishes and claim it is his second ammendment right. If an employer doesn't want guns on his property I think it is his right and if an empoyee doesn't like it they can quit. Now on the flip side if the employer doesn't allow a person to have the ability to protect themselves they should be responsible for any and all damages that could have been prevented through the use of a firearm. I feel this should also be applied to restaurants or any retail establishment that is posted and prevents people from protecting themselves. For me the common ground should be either allow guns and not be accountable for damages or forbid guns and assume responsibility for all damages. I think when businesses see that not allowing people to carry could cost them substantially they would change their tune. Private property owner rights trump individual rights. Free speech is not guaranteed on private property as is the right to bear arms. Just because someone has the right to free speech doesn't mean I have to allow them to say whatever they want on my property. And yes I carry a gun everywhere I go and if I owned a business I would allow my employees to carry. Dolomite

What you aren't considering is that salt would be useful beyond making fries taste better. In the absence of refrigeration, packing meat in salt can help preserve it, whether used as a stand-alone method (salt curing) or in conjuction with other methods, such as drying (making jerky) or smoking. Prag posted his above comment, along the same lines, while I was composing mine.

I couldn't have said it better. I seriously believe that Glocks in general are the AK's of the handgun world......and yes, I own 2 G19's and 2 G26's. I personally like my semi- pistols like my revolvers. NO external safteys'. I've kept my finger off the trigger since I was 6ish and I intend to continue to do just that until I'm in the correct, legal, and/or safe position to pull it.......

Before 7pm, after 7pm, didn't seem to matter when we were at that Walmart the other day. We were standing right in front of the case looking for a couple of boxes of .223 to go sight in a new rifle and the lady working the counter was there when we walked up and immediately disappeared when we started looking, No luck finding anyone remotely close to the case once we were ready to purchase. That location has seemed crappier than the rest the few times I've gone in there.

Haven't watched any this season. Just seemed to forget about it. I'll have to find some time and try the new liberal version out.

Idiotic, I bet if corporate knew he was not selling goods to a willing and able customer. They wouldn't be happy. And it goes without saying that his reason is idiotic as well

The Gun doesn't "reign" anything. The Shooter does

Get the one that shoots the best (usually larger) that you will carry (usually smaller) in the largest caliber you can control and that you will PRACTICE with. I carry a Glock 17.

I've been on hiatus from this forum, and actually all things firearms related since my father was diagnosed with leukemia, which just happened to be the day I finally got my C&R license. So I had done no shooting since last April, nor had I done anything with my license, when I decided I needed to blow off some steam and find some fun stuff to do instead of all the not so fun stuff I've been dealing with. So 2 weeks ago, I found some round reciever M91/30's in unissued condition online for about $80 each. I naturally ordered 2 and figured I commit the atrocity of sporterizing one and leaving the other in original condition (there's only about 20 million of these rare beauties around). Well, I've been tracking the UPS packages until they arrived at my house and I noticed that the weight seemed to be way off and very different in each package. "Oh well" I thought. The packages finally arrived today. I noticed one very large and long package and one very small package. I figured the small package was the goodies (bayonet, firing pin gauge. etc.) except it was very heavy when I picked it up. So I get the packages into the house and I immediately went to opening the small package first. What I saw inside was 2 unmarked spam cans that had no markings whatsoever and 2 can openers. I figure that I've never gotten an unissued Mosin or the goodies, maybe for some crazy reason, the goodies were originally packaged in spam cans so I started to open one. What I found was that it was a case of 7.62x54r steel core ammo. So I got 2 free cases of ammo. WTF? Worth more than the rifles I payed for. Big question: Being that it is from completely unmarked spam cans, should I trust firing it? The cartridges seem to be appropiately maked and good to go.

Kicking the OP was not my intent I apologize for offending you nixon

Does this count?

Mike, I'm a lot of things, a liar or a cheat has never been one of them. It never occurred to me than anyone could make that kind of error. Had the can been marked, I would have known exactly what was in it especially since I thought it had to be marked by law (guess I was wrong). This was my very first C&R order to my home. I have had Mosins before, but they came from the store and were uncrated with all the goodies out and in the open. I didn't know this was not how they came originally.

As I stated in the original post, I had already opened one of the cans because I really didn't realize what I had at first since it was unmarked (I thought all ammo was marked), so it wouldn't do any good to send them back loose ammo. They were already closed when I discovered what had happened. I will send the other can back to them if they want, but I won't pay the shipping. I didn't order it, so I shouldn't have to pay for the shipping back, IMHO.

Thanks Smith. My dad is unfortunately at the palative care phase of his care, but we've had a very good year in spite of the situation. These things make you appreciate time like you normally do not. The guns are actually really sweet. The best condition 91/30's I've ever seen. Wonder why these have been hidden back for so long?

............if they can't see it, how are they going to verify in a court of law that you were actually carrying a concealed weapon.........( seen bulges on belts are moot since almost everyone carries something bulky (cell phone/flashlights/ammo etc. on their belts these days....

My nightmare is that there will be 4 more!

I have followed Emily's progress for some time now. IMHO it is a wonderful series that hopefully will inform many who wish to arm themselves inside the beltway, but had no idea where to start. THIS is what investigative reporting SHOULD be. Kudos to you young lady!

Unless the parking lot is posted, it's like sleeping with the boss' wife. Not illegal, but don't get caught if you like your job.

And in TN, a non-represented worker can pretty much be dismissed for *anything*, even opinion. The employer rarely has to prove cause, and even then, it is after the fact, and heavily weighed in company favor (even with recent legislation to "protect" the worker).

I'd rather be forced to drink urine than eat feces, but when it's over, I'm still left with the taste of piss in my mouth.