Gun bans coming to some social security recipients

[Sam1]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-gun-law-20150718-story.html#page=1

 

And we all know there are some crazies out there, but this is just the splinter to keep the door open for the next move.

[EssOne]

Well, I guess if the President can't handle Iranians yelling "Death to America" in the streets, disabled American gun owners will do. It appears that's more up his alley anyway.

[Grand Torino]

 

Though such a ban would keep at least some people who pose a danger to themselves or others from owning guns, the strategy undoubtedly would also include numerous people who may just have a bad memory or difficulty balancing a checkbook, the critics argue.

"Someone can be incapable of managing their funds but not be dangerous, violent or unsafe," said Dr. Marc Rosen, a Yale psychiatrist who has studied how veterans with mental health problems manage their money. "They are very different determinations."

Your government at work....trashing the Second Amendment any way they can. I served in the military for 26 freakin' years and stunts like this make me ashamed sometimes I spend a day defending the rights of these assholes in Congress and the damn White House.

[gregintenn]

I'm not sure how high the violent crime rate is with our senior citizens, but I can't believe it's a big concern. :shake: :shake:

 

Guys, our country is run by fools.

[EssOne]

I'm not sure how high the violent crime rate is with our senior citizens, but I can't believe it's a big concern. :shake: :shake:

 

Guys, our country is run by fools.

 

Yep. The inmates are running the asylum for sure.

[K191145]

I'm not sure how high the violent crime rate is with our senior citizens, but I can't believe it's a big concern. :shake: :shake:

 

Guys, our country is run by fools.

 

I don't think they are fools, they know exactly what they want. They are authoritarian socialists, they dream of a time when America has the same type of government and laws like most all of Europe, they disdain individual rights which means they disdain the Constitution, they are simple elitist control freaks. 

[john455]

Just when I think I have heard the STUPIDEST thing the Obama administration could come up with, they prove me wrong again!!!

[Just2Honor]

Another proof that gun control is not about guns, it's about control.

[A.J. Holst]

G, don't forget the money follows shortly they have control, power and influence.

[Ugly]

Convention of states, that is the only recourse next to pitch forks.

[shotgunshooter]

This is shameful and pisses me off. Why would you serve our country when you get out you'll lose your rights? I think they're just afraid of people that fought being armed because one day someone will have enough. I am now understanding the pack your bags video.

[netmindr]

This is why the second amendment is such a huge target. It's a lot easier to control a population that has no power to resist.

[DaveTN]

I served in the military for 26 freakin' years and stunts like this make me ashamed sometimes I spend a day defending the rights of these assholes in Congress and the damn White House.

You didn’t. Like the rest of us you spent your time defending the rights of the American people. I blame Congress. They have stood by and watched this dictator wannbe spin out of control, trying his best to destroy this country. The Democratic Party is united and is targeting those that are voting their paychecks freeloading off the government and have probably never served. The working people that think the way we do are split with special interests and divided parties. God help us.

[gregintenn]

You didn’t. Like the rest of us you spent your time defending the rights of the American people. I blame Congress. They have stood by and watched this dictator wannbe spin out of control, trying his best to destroy this country. The Democratic Party is united and is targeting those that are voting their paychecks freeloading off the government and have probably never served. The working people that think the way we do are split with special interests and divided parties. God help us.

I agree, but tell me this.....what have the Republicans done any differently?

[DaveTN]

I agree, but tell me this.....what have the Republicans done any differently?

Anymore there isn’t a lot of difference in the “Republican Party” and the “Democratic Party”. It’s more of those that want to freeload off the government vs. those that work for a living. Both parties need the support of those that want to live off the government to get elected; they are a very big group...and getting bigger every day.

[gregintenn]

Anymore there isn’t a lot of difference in the “Republican Party” and the “Democratic Party”. It’s more of those that want to freeload off the government vs. those that work for a living. Both parties need the support of those that want to live off the government to get elected; they are a very big group...and getting bigger every day.

I felt like we agreed. Now I know. :up:

 

As it seems, the freeloaders now outnumber the producers. I see no rectifying the situation short of a government collapse and a new government installed. This won't be pretty.

Edited July 19, 2015 by gregintenn

[DaveTN]

As it seems, the freeloaders now outnumber the producers. I see no rectifying the situation short of a government collapse and a new government installed. This won't be pretty.

I agree.
We should all be concerned about the economy and American jobs. Without that nothing else will matter. I could not care less what a Presidential candidates stand is on the 2nd amendment or abortion. He has no real ability to change either. He can however do a lot to help the economy and jobs in this country and can surround himself with experts that can get the job done. The current President (and Hillary) is more interested in promising those that don’t want to work or who are illegal with things they can’t deliver.

[gregintenn]

I agree.
We should all be concerned about the economy and American jobs. Without that nothing else will matter. I could not care less what a Presidential candidates stand is on the 2nd amendment or abortion. He has no real ability to change either. He can however do a lot to help the economy and jobs in this country and can surround himself with experts that can get the job done. The current President (and Hillary) is more interested in promising those that don’t want to work or who are illegal with things they can’t deliver.

The ONLY thing the federal government can and should do to create jobs is to get the hell out of the way, eliminate most regulations, cooperate taxes, fees, licenses, etc., and let the economy thrive on it's own merit.

 

Where the president stands on issues like the second amendment, abortion, et tal, is a good barometer of his character and morality or lack thereof.

[DaveTN]

The ONLY thing the federal government can and should do to create jobs is to get the hell out of the way, eliminate most regulations, cooperate taxes, fees, licenses, etc., and let the economy thrive on it's own merit.

If I were the President or Governor of a state I would be doing anything and everything I could to keep and grow business here.

Free land, tax breaks, whatever it takes. OSHA and EPA is a huge cost that many foreign competitors don’t have. We don’t want to give up many of those protections and standards so the Feds need to step up and divert some of that money they are handing out to social welfare programs to help industry with those costs. Then many of those people that want to work wouldn’t need a handout from the government; they would have a job.

I understand there are many people that live off the government and want to keep it that way, but I believe the majority of people want to work at a good job with a fair wage. Increase manufacturing here and not only will the economy get better, but crime will drop.

Unfortunately for some the word protectionism is a bad word. I am not part of that group. This is our country and it’s our responsibility and duty to protect our economy. The government isn't responsible to maintain it; we are. They just need to help where they can and not be against us.
 

Where the president stands on issues like the second amendment, abortion, et tal, is a good barometer of his character and morality or lack thereof.

Sure it is. But he isn’t a religious leader; he’s just a figurehead. I don’t care anymore about his opinion on gun control or abortion than I do about his opinion on a restaurant; it means nothing. The economy and jobs is something he can do something about and bring with him the people that can get it done.

Morals? From everything I hear Hillary Clinton is leading the polls right now. So morals don’t mean much too many people in a President. I am amazed that anyone could vote for her.

Unfortunately many of the people that would be good at the job of President; don’t want it. It’s pretty easy to find something in most anyone’s past. Edited July 19, 2015 by DaveTN

[Randall53]

AND....of COURSE, our Senators and Congressmen do no participate in Social Security so they are exempt..!!!!!!!!!  Just more crap being poured on the heads of the masses.

Edited July 19, 2015 by Randall53

[Oh Shoot]

AND....of COURSE, our Senators and Congressmen do no participate in Social Security so they are exempt..!!!!!!!!!  Just more crap being poured on the heads of the masses.

 

Bzzzt 

 

Since 1984 all pay into SS during their tenure in office, and time in office is included in SS benefits scale.

 

- OS

[battleop]

Sounds like if you meet the condition that you have been found that you are mentally incapable of handling your own affairs then you probably can't get past question 11F on form 4473 anyways. If they had a clear way to appeal this with an endless run around and we knew it stopped their it would be a good idea. However we can't trust them to use this as a springboard to find other back doors to stealing guns.

[gun sane]

Bzzzt 

 

Since 1984 all pay into SS during their tenure in office, and time in office is included in SS benefits scale.

 

- OS

 

Funny you should bring up 1984.  The government is way behind in achieving George Orwell's utopian scenario.

Edited July 20, 2015 by gun sane

[Hozzie]

I must be missing something.  I didn't read anywhere that he wants to prevent everyone on SS from being able to own guns.  It specifically states that this is only for people who have been legally deemed incapable of managing their own affairs.  While I am certainly against coming up with arbitrary reasons to prevent people from owning guns, some of you sound like hypocrites.   I believe most reasonable people and a majority of gun owners feel that those with documented mental illness should not own or possess weapons.  I suppose we can argue if there is a difference between mental illness and the ability to manage your own affairs, but I don't personally see an issue.

 

I can't say I disagree with it.  If people aren't mentally capable of taking care of their own affairs, they shouldn't to me be possessing a gun either in my opinion.  If the NRA had come up with the idea of using known information such as this to prevent those who most likely aren't mentally capable from possessing guns, most would be saying "see, what a good idea by the NRA!"

 

I am the first to admit, I don't think everyone should or is capable of having a gun.  This to me seems reasonable.  I am not debating that he doesn't want to push it further where I don't agree, but in this case, I am ok with the idea.  Now, they should in no way be able to just confiscate them, they should go to family members or something.  That is one thing I would have an issue with.

 

Flame away  :hat:

Edited July 20, 2015 by Hozzie

[Oh Shoot]

Sounds like if you meet the condition that you have been found that you are mentally incapable of handling your own affairs then you probably can't get past question 11F on form 4473 anyways....

 

Yup. AFAIK, there has been some sort of legal hearing to assign guardianship or whatever in these cases. Not sure I'd trust anyone who no longer can manage his own financial affairs to manage firearms either.  I imagine most of this sort of thing is due to dementia/Alzheimer as far as SS is concerned.

 

On the other hand, having the gummit involved anywhere is always scary per se.

 

On the third hand, SS is a damn gummit program to begin with -- that you can't opt out of. Though you can piss away the money any way you like, gummit is arguing that you must be mentally competent to choose to do that.

 

- OS

Edited July 20, 2015 by Oh Shoot